Sebulan Ribut Soal Royalti, Ahmad Dhani dan Once Mekel Akhirnya Bertemu | Liputan 6

Summary

In a heated discussion on royalty issues, musician Ahmad Dhani and Once Michael met on Liputan 6, moderated by Azizah Hanum. Dhani claimed that Once never sought permission or paid royalties for using songs from Dewa 19, which he created. Once, as a performer, argued that they had already paid royalties to the song creators through collective management agencies, as stipulated by copyright law. Dhani emphasized the importance of moral permission and suggested raising the royalty percentage from 2% to 10% for fairness. The conversation highlighted the difference between the creator's and performer's perspectives on royalties, which are earnings from past works, not just daily income.

Takeaways

• 🎤 Ahmad Dhani and Once Michael had a meeting regarding the royalty dispute after a month of controversy.
• 💬 Ahmad Dhani believes Once never asked for permission or paid royalties for using songs from Dewa 19, which he mostly created.
• 🎵 Once, as a performer, feels they have already paid the song creators' royalties through a collective management agency according to the law.
• 📜 There is a disagreement on whether Once should have asked for permission directly from Ahmad Dhani or if paying through an agency suffices.
• 🤝 The meeting was mediated by Azizah Hanum from Liputan 6, aiming to resolve the conflict.
• 🚫 Once has not been performing Dewa 19's songs since leaving the group in 2010, which is a logical consequence of their departure.
• 📝 Ahmad Dhani mentions that he always makes contracts for performances, specifying that royalty payments are the responsibility of the organizer.
• 💰 There is a suggestion by Ahmad Dhani to increase the royalty percentage from the current 2% to perhaps 10%, considering the contributions made.
• 🤔 The conversation highlights the difference between the positions of the presenter and the creator when it comes to royalties.
• 📈 Royalty is not income from the day's work but rather earnings from past work, as emphasized by Ahmad Dhani.
• 🔄 The discussion implies a need for better understanding and adherence to the royalty payment system by all parties involved.

Q & A

What was the main issue discussed in the Liputan 6 meeting between Ahmad Dhani and Once Michael?

The main issue discussed was the royalty dispute over the use of the songs from Dewa 19, which were mostly created by Ahmad Dhani.

What is Ahmad Dhani's stance on Once Michael's use of Dewa 19's songs?

Ahmad Dhani believes that Once Michael never asked for permission or paid royalties for using the songs he created.

How does Once Michael justify his actions regarding the use of Dewa 19's songs?

Once Michael, as a performer, felt that he had already paid the songwriter's royalties through the collective management agency, as per the regulations set by the copyright law.

What does Ahmad Dhani suggest should be done to improve the current royalty system?

Ahmad Dhani suggests that the percentage of royalties collected by the collective management agency should be increased, for example, from 2% to 10%, to better consider the creators' contributions.

What is the difference between the positions of the performer and the songwriter in terms of royalties according to the script?

The performer's position is that they have fulfilled their obligation by paying through the collective management agency, while the songwriter's position is that royalties are a form of income derived from past work and should be more fairly distributed.

What is the implication of Once Michael leaving Dewa 19 in 2010 for the use of their songs?

Once Michael leaving Dewa 19 implies that logically, he should not be performing Dewa 19's songs without proper permission post his departure.

What is the role of the collective management agency in the royalty dispute?

The collective management agency is responsible for managing and distributing royalties to the creators, as per the regulations set by the copyright law.

How does Ahmad Dhani describe his approach to performing with Dewa 19's songs?

Ahmad Dhani always makes a contract for performances, specifying that the responsibility for royalty payment is through the collective management agency, in accordance with the existing laws.

What is the ethical aspect discussed in the script regarding the use of Dewa 19's songs?

The ethical aspect discussed is that even if Once Michael contributed to the creation of the songs, he should morally ask for permission from the original creator before performing them.

What is the definition of royalties as mentioned in the script?

Royalties are defined as income derived from the results of work done in the past, rather than income from the day's work.

What is the suggestion made by Ahmad Dhani regarding the handling of the royalty dispute?

Ahmad Dhani suggests a constructive approach, such as negotiating a higher percentage of royalties and considering the different positions of the presenter and the creator in the royalty distribution.

Outlines

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🎵 Music Royalties Dispute

This paragraph discusses a dispute over music royalties between musician Ahmad Dhani and Once Michael, which was aired on Liputan 6. Ahmad Dhani believes that Once never asked for permission or paid royalties for using songs from Dewa 19, most of which were created by him. Once, as a performer, argues that they have already paid royalties to the song creators through a collective management agency, in accordance with copyright law. The conversation touches on the lack of permission from Once to use Dewa's songs and the moral responsibility involved. Ahmad Dhani also mentions that he always makes a contract for performances, specifying that the responsibility for royalty payment lies with the organizer, and suggests that the percentage of royalties collected could be increased for a fairer system.

Keywords

💡Royalty

Royalty refers to the payment made to the creators of certain types of works, such as songs, for each use of such a work. In the video's context, it is a central issue because Ahmad Dhani, the creator of the songs, claims that Once Michael, the performer, did not ask for permission nor pay royalties for using the songs of Dewa 19. The script mentions 'membayar royalti' (paying royalties) as a point of contention between the parties.

💡Permission

Permission is the consent given by the rights holder to allow someone to use their intellectual property. In the video, Ahmad Dhani states that Once never asked for permission to use the songs, which is a violation of copyright law and the moral rights of the creator. The script uses phrases like 'tidak pernah mengajukan izin' (never asked for permission) to emphasize this point.

💡Copyright

Copyright is a legal right that grants the creator of an original work exclusive rights to its use and distribution, usually for a limited time. The script discusses the violation of copyright laws in the context of Once Michael's use of Dewa 19's songs without proper authorization or royalty payments.

💡Collective Management Organization

A Collective Management Organization (CMO) is an entity that administers the rights of creators and represents them in the management of their intellectual property. In the script, it is mentioned that Once claims to have paid royalties through such an organization, which is part of the standard practice for ensuring creators are compensated for their work.

💡Moral Rights

Moral rights are the personal rights of authors or creators over their work, which include the right to be recognized as the creator and the right to object to any distortion, mutilation, or other modification of, or other derogatory action in relation to, the said work that would be prejudicial to the author's honor or reputation. The script implies that Once's actions may have violated Ahmad Dhani's moral rights by using the songs without permission.

💡Contribution

Contribution refers to the input or part an individual has in a collective work. The script discusses the difference in contributions between the creator (Ahmad Dhani) and the performer (Once Michael), with the former having the right to royalties for the songs, regardless of the latter's contributions to performances.

💡Performance Rights

Performance rights are the rights granted to the creators of a work to control the public performance of their work. The script touches on the issue of Once Michael performing the songs of Dewa 19 without the necessary permissions or payments, which is a violation of performance rights.

💡Contract

A contract is a legally binding agreement between two or more parties. In the video, Ahmad Dhani mentions that he always makes a contract for performances, specifying that the responsibility for paying royalties lies with the organizer, which is in line with the applicable law.

💡Intellectual Property

Intellectual property refers to creations of the mind, such as inventions, literary and artistic works, designs, and symbols, names, images, and phrases used in commerce. The script revolves around the protection of intellectual property rights, specifically the rights of Ahmad Dhani as the creator of the songs in question.

💡Ethics

Ethics refers to the moral principles that govern a person's or group's behavior. The script discusses the ethical aspect of Once Michael's actions, suggesting that they should have morally asked for permission before using the songs, which is a reflection of the ethical standards expected in the music industry.

💡Responsible Party

The responsible party is the entity or individual who is accountable for a particular action or outcome. In the context of the script, Ahmad Dhani suggests that the organizer (eo) is the responsible party for ensuring that royalty payments are made, in accordance with the law.

Highlights

Ahmad Dhani and Once Michael had a dispute over royalty payments for the use of Dewa 19 songs.

Ahmad Dhani claims that Once never asked for permission or paid royalties for using his songs.

Once, as a performer, believes they have already paid royalties through a collective management agency.

The legal framework and moral ethics are discussed regarding the payment of royalties to the song creators.

Ahmad Dhani emphasizes that Once never asked for permission to use Dewa 19 songs.

Once argues that they have contributed to the songs and therefore should not be morally obligated to ask for permission.

Ahmad Dhani suggests that Once should have stopped performing Dewa 19 songs after leaving the band in 2010.

Once's departure from Dewa 19 should have logically led to them not performing the band's songs.

Ahmad Dhani proposes that the royalty payment system should be reconsidered and possibly increased.

A possible increase in the royalty percentage from 2% to 10% is suggested by Ahmad Dhani.

Ahmad Dhani has communicated his concerns and suggestions to Mas Dani via WhatsApp.

The transcript discusses the difference between the positions of performers and creators regarding royalties.

Royalties are described as income from past work, not from the day's work.

Ahmad Dhani stresses the importance of understanding the difference between the roles of presenters and creators in royalty distribution.

The transcript highlights the need for a more constructive approach to royalty payment discussions.

Ahmad Dhani mentions that he always makes a contract for performances, specifying royalty payment responsibilities.

The transcript suggests that there may be challenges from the industry or promoters regarding the proposed changes in the royalty system.

Ahmad Dhani expresses his willingness to accept a system with a higher royalty percentage.

Transcripts

setelah sebulan ribut soal royalti

musisi Ahmad Dhani dan Once Michael

akhirnya bertemu dalam Liputan 6 tox

yang dipadu rekan kami Azizah Hanum

Ahmad Dhani menganggap Once tidak pernah

mengajukan izin dan membayar royalti

dalam penggunaan lagu-lagu Dewa 19 yang

sebagian besar diciptakan Ahmad Dhani

sebaliknya sebagai pelaku pertunjukan

atau performer Once merasa sudah

membayarkan royalti pencipta lagu

melalui lembaga manajemen kolektif

negara atau lmkn sesuai dengan ketentuan

yang diatur dalam undang-undang hak

cipta

etika moral memang Once nggak pernah

izin sama saya gitu dan gua bawa lagu

Dewa ya di konser gua mau satu mau dua

kan harusnya ada izin Nah kalau saya

kalau saya ngomong gitu kan bukan

berarti jelek-jelek itu faktanya memang

seperti itu gitu kan waktunya memang

seperti itu memang gak pernah izin bawa

lagu Dewa gitu dan itu nggak ada

hubungannya sama kontribusi

lagu itu milik Ahmad Dhani gitu

nggak bisa direduksi bahwa karena Once

punya punya punya

kontribusi lalu nggak izin secara moral

ngomong dulu ya gitu kalau ngomong kan

kita bisa tanya Berapa bayaran lu ya kan

Berapa bayaran lu bawa bawa lagu Dewa

gitu kan karena kan Once kan udah keluar

dari dewa jadi kembali lagi dari awal

ketika Once sudah menyatakan diri keluar

dari dewa tahun 2010 harusnya

konsekuensi logisnya itu dia tidak

menyanyikan lagu Dewa 19 itu konsekuensi

kecil logis yang harus kita pahami

bersama kalau mau nyanyi ya minta izin

minimal sama pengarang lagunya saya atau

Andra gitu itu kan moral ya kan itu kan

tidak terlaksana gitu loh jadi gini saya

setiap kali manggung saya selalu bikin

kontrak

di dalam kontrak itu pada ketentuan

bahwa tanggung jawab pembayaran royalti

itu adalah melalui eo dan itu

undang-undang kita yang berlaku ya jadi

memang tanggung jawab itu ada di pihak

io

di situlah memang sosialisasi atau apa

ini mungkin sikap dari io kebanyakan ini

belum taat

di samping itu Sebenarnya saya itu

konstruktif kok

Saya pernah bilang ke Mas Dani lewat

WhatsApp daripada nagih begitu mendingan

bilang aja mau layernya

Buatlah satu ketentuan supaya

persentase yang 2% itu dinaikkan

misalnya 10% gitu ya harus juga

dipertimbangkan untuk itu tentu ini

mungkin akan ada

tantangan dari pihak io atau promotor

tapi saya kira itu wajar-wajar saja

supaya sistem yang sedang dibangun ini

Oke dan saya bisa terima itu sistem

pengumpulan ini dengan persentase yang

lebih besar Cuma yang memang harus

dimengerti ini yang saya suka pikirin

bahwa posisi penyaji dan pencipta itu

berbeda dalam hal ini royalti itu

royalti itu bukan penghasilan yang

didapat dari hasil kerja hari itu

royalti itu adalah pendapatan yang

didapatkan dari hasil kerja di

waktu-waktu yang lalu