Elle Macpherson controversially rejects conventional cancer treatment | 60 Minutes Australia
Summary
TLDRIn this interview, supermodel Elle Macpherson discusses her unconventional approach to treating breast cancer, which included rejecting chemotherapy, radiation, and mastectomy. She opted for an intense, holistic protocol involving natural medicine, spiritual work, and a focus on well-being. Macpherson, now in remission, shares her journey and the importance of making decisions that resonate with one's own values and beliefs.
Takeaways
- 🌟 El Macpherson, known as 'The Body' in the 1980s and '90s, was one of the most photographed Australians and a supermodel.
- 💔 El faced significant personal challenges including alcohol addiction and a marriage breakdown.
- 🏥 In 2017, El was diagnosed with breast cancer and underwent two lumpectomies, but she rejected the recommended aggressive medical treatments including chemotherapy and mastectomy.
- 🌿 El chose to follow a natural treatment protocol for her cancer, which included natural medications, dentistry, osteopathy, chiropractic care, and spiritual work.
- 👩⚕️ El consulted 32 practitioners before deciding on her unconventional cancer treatment, which was guided by two holistic doctors in Phoenix, Arizona.
- 🔍 The script highlights concerns from an Australian breast oncologist about El's choice of treatment and its statistical impact on the risk of cancer recurrence.
- 📈 Despite the concerns, El believes in her body's capacity to heal and has been living a holistic lifestyle, focusing on well-being rather than the fear of recurrence.
- 👨👦 El is a mother to two sons, Flynn and Sai, who are now young adults and forging their own paths.
- 💕 El is currently in a relationship with American musician Doyle Bramhall and speaks about love and relationships.
- 📚 El has written a book sharing her life's challenges and lessons, including her unconventional approach to dealing with cancer.
Q & A
What was the significant event in El Macpherson's life that she discusses in the interview?
-El Macpherson discusses her unconventional treatment for breast cancer, which she was diagnosed with in 2017.
What was El Macpherson's initial reaction to her breast cancer diagnosis?
-El Macpherson was shocked by her diagnosis, questioning how it could happen to her given her healthy lifestyle.
What conventional treatments did El Macpherson reject after her breast cancer diagnosis?
-El Macpherson rejected treatments such as mastectomy, chemotherapy, radiation, and hormone blockers.
What alternative approach did El Macpherson take to treat her breast cancer?
-El Macpherson followed an intense natural protocol that included natural medications, dentistry, osteopathy, chiropractic care, and spiritual work.
How many practitioners did El Macpherson consult before deciding on her treatment?
-El Macpherson consulted 32 practitioners before deciding on her treatment.
What was El Macpherson's reasoning for choosing a natural treatment over conventional methods?
-El Macpherson chose a natural treatment because it resonated with her holistic view of the body and her lifestyle.
What is El Macpherson's current status regarding her breast cancer?
-El Macpherson is now clinically in remission.
How does El Macpherson view her past struggles with alcohol and her decision to get help?
-El Macpherson sees her past struggles with alcohol as a part of her life's journey and is open about her decision to seek treatment.
What is El Macpherson's perspective on the use of conventional medicine?
-El Macpherson believes there is a time and place for conventional medicine but prefers a more natural approach for maintaining her health.
How does El Macpherson describe her current relationship and life?
-El Macpherson describes her current relationship as deeply loving and is at peace with her life and decisions.
What is El Macpherson's view on the word 'cure' in the context of her cancer treatment?
-El Macpherson prefers the term 'healed' over 'cured', emphasizing the body's capacity to heal when addressing the root cause.
Outlines
🌟 Supermodel El Macpherson's Controversial Cancer Treatment
El Macpherson, known as 'The Body' in the 1980s and '90s, discusses her unconventional approach to treating breast cancer diagnosed seven years prior. She chose to reject conventional medical treatment, which included mastectomy, chemotherapy, radiation, and hormone replacement, in favor of a holistic approach. This decision was deeply personal and not driven by vanity, but rather by her belief in natural medicine and holistic well-being. El had been following natural medicine for the past 20 years and wanted to address the emotional, mental, spiritual, and physical aspects of health. Despite the controversy, she stands by her choice, which included an intense eight-month protocol under the guidance of two holistic doctors.
🥂 From Supermodel to Overcoming Addiction
The script delves into El Macpherson's past struggles with alcohol addiction, which she overcame by checking into rehab in Arizona. She discusses the pressures of maintaining a perfect image and the realization that the party culture of the '80s and '90s, filled with alcohol and recreational drugs, was not sustainable. El's journey to sobriety involved attending AA meetings and making a conscious decision to change her lifestyle. She also talks about the stigma associated with alcoholism and the importance of recognizing addiction before it's too late.
💔 El Macpherson's Personal Life and Relationships
El Macpherson reflects on her personal life, including her relationships and the decision to end her 10-year relationship with Ari, the father of her children. She discusses the importance of lifestyle alignment in a relationship and the difficulty of co-parenting after a breakup. El also shares her journey of self-discovery and the process of writing a book that reveals her vulnerabilities and life lessons, marking a significant departure from her previously guarded public image.
🏥 Choosing an Alternative Path in Cancer Treatment
The paragraph focuses on El Macpherson's decision to forgo conventional cancer treatments like chemotherapy, radiation, and a mastectomy after being diagnosed with breast cancer. Instead, she opted for a natural treatment protocol that included consultations with 32 practitioners and eight months of intense therapy under two holistic doctors. This approach was complex, involving natural medications, dentistry, osteopathy, chiropractic care, and spiritual work. El explains that her choice was not about vanity but about following a path that resonated with her personal beliefs and lifestyle.
📚 El Macpherson's Book and Cancer Journey
In this part of the script, El Macpherson talks about her new book where she shares her experiences, including her 2017 breast cancer diagnosis and her choice to reject conventional Western medicine in favor of a more natural approach. She emphasizes that her decision was unconventional but it was what worked for her. El also discusses the potential risks and her current state of being in clinical remission. She addresses the responsibility she feels towards her fans who might look up to her choices and the importance of making informed decisions about one's health.
🌱 Embracing a Natural Lifestyle and Motherhood
El Macpherson shares her philosophy on health and well-being, which includes a preference for natural treatments and lifestyle choices. She discusses her approach to motherhood and the guidance she provides to her sons, emphasizing the importance of intuition and love. El also talks about her current relationship with musician Doyle Bramhall and her outlook on life, which is filled with joy and gratitude for the experiences that have shaped her.
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Keywords
💡Supermodel
💡Controversial
💡Cancer treatment
💡Holistic
💡Breast cancer
💡Lumpectomy
💡Estrogen receptive
💡Wellness
💡Remission
💡Intuition
💡Vulnerability
Highlights
El Macpherson discusses her unconventional cancer treatment
El chose to reject conventional cancer treatment methods
The supermodel's decision was based on her holistic approach to health
El consulted 32 practitioners before deciding on her treatment
Her treatment included natural medications, osteopathy, and spiritual work
El is now clinically in remission after following her natural protocol
The Australian breast oncologist expresses concerns about El's choices
El's cancer would have been treated differently in Australia
She emphasizes the importance of focusing on well-being rather than fear of recurrence
El's belief in the body's capacity to heal through holistic methods
The supermodel's openness about her mental health and addiction
El's reflections on her early career and the pressures of fame
Her experience with alcohol addiction and recovery
El's candidness about her past relationships and co-parenting
Her journey from a mysterious public figure to an open book
El's current role as a founder of a wellness company and author
Her views on modern medicine and its place in her lifestyle
El's love life and her philosophy on relationships
The supermodel's gratitude for her life's journey and experiences
Transcripts
coming up super mom Super Wife super
model let's talk about the bombshell
that you've dropped El mcferson
controversial Choice I'm not here to be
popular the supermodel defends was such
a wakeup call for me her unconventional
cancer treatment it's extremely
important and I trust you on
this El mcferson has made a hugely
successful career out of being able to
draw attention to herself in the 1980s
and '90s the body as she was known was
arguably the most photographed
Australian in the world but now the
supermodel is making headlines for the
controversial way she tackled a very
personal and serious setback in her life
7 years ago El was diagnosed with breast
cancer but chose to reject conventional
treatment as she tells nin's Tracy
Grimshaw it was a difficult decision but
the right one for
her El welcome home so wonderful to be
here we had to bring you to a beach do
you know it's such a beautiful day today
I was looking at these Surfers and
thinking it's been a really long time
since I've been surfing it's hard to
work out the more iconic image in this
setting so beautiful how can you not
want to be in here Sydney's famous Bond
Beach or the supermodel beside
me it's a picture perfect scene but I'm
not meeting the elic person everyone
might be expecting I'm not a big sort of
like get in my bikini and come down to
Bondi and parade around kind of girl um
I probably was when I was younger but I
I uh I'm certainly not now do you
actually have that body Consciousness in
a bikini because you look great in a
bikini L you've spent your whole life it
seems thanks for that well you know you
don't need me to tell you that L I mean
you you do L doesn't need anyone to tell
her
anything she's more than 40 years into a
very successful and very public
career it's one that's always been
beautifully curated and controlled okay
how's this light for me too red too dark
too give me loads of backline cut cut C
but now she's dropping her guard she's
written about her life's challenges
revealing at 60 an openness and
vulnerability we've never seen or heard
before you've talked about uh mental
health issues physical health issues uh
marriage
breakdowns
addiction why do that what I'm sharing
really is to how to navigate through
through them and uh the lessons that I
learned through them but you've always
been a bit mysterious that's been my
notion of you I I mean I've always had a
sense watching your career from afar of
what you're doing but I've never really
had much of a sense of who you are and I
now have that sense from having read
your book which I think is a big leap
for you to take perhaps you know I
learned early on in my career the
importance of discretion in your
personal life but this book is very very
different in the sense that it is with
great purpose that I share those things
it's not just to share them for the sake
of it they come with a
purpose El mcferson has always attracted
attention it's why she's been so good at
her
job back in the early 80s it all began
with this soft drink ad a simple stroll
on the sand that turned L into
Australia's most famous bikini body I
think every girl in Australia wanted to
look like you on the beach and I want to
look like that on the
beach you did look like that on the
beach that was you El McCaren and I
think every bloke wanted their girl to
look like you on the beach but how did
you think you looked feeling very
self-conscious as I had the camera up my
bum and the sand was hot and sort of
more conscious of doing the job rather
than what I looked like in a bathing
suit you also didn't have a great amount
of self-confidence you didn't really
believe believe you were beautiful you
used to try and hide your face and still
do that's a surprise to me and I think
it would be a surprise to people why do
you think that
was you
know I've tried to go through you know
and and figure out what it is that made
me feel so not cut out for modeling
because ultimately I had everything that
you need for modeling I had that body
and still have close to that body and
part of me was being very young and
doing a job that I had no experience in
and so therefore I wasn't going to be
good and so therefore I didn't
belong it's hard to believe L ever felt
like an impostor stupid goofy nervous
thing I can see it like all over my the
truth is she was born to be a model A
showstopper off and on the catwalk even
if she didn't feel it you had this big
smile on your face you look like you are
enjoying it when I look at that I look
oh man I look so confident so cool and
so relaxed and so composed and I know
the way I felt walking down the runway
which was anything but that nerves on
the inside but the opposite on the
outside as L went Global she became a
super model then in the late 80s Time
Magazine dubbed her the body and that
title became a
brand massive deals followed including
lingerie and Skin Care contracts for a
time she even co-owned a fashion Cafe
good day it was no surprise when the TV
and Movie Makers came knocking your eyes
closed while he licks your belly button
oh
Sirens
boobs I'm surprised you can show that on
TV I remember when I read the script I
was like man these 1930s models are not
kind of lean and athletic I I need to
change my body type because if I go with
this body it's not going to be
believable I I I remember putting on 20b
for that
role the camera loved El so much every
project she signed up to seemed to
succeed but as so often happens Fame and
a big life came at a cost and it wasn't
pretty alcohol got its hooks into
her the pressure of the pressure I put
on myself to um deliver in all aspects
of my life to the best of my ability was
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um was
unsustainable that's the bottom line and
then at one point it was just like no
can do anymore alcohol addiction is
sneaky and people usually take a long
time before they realize they're
addicted how did that build up with you
you know I I probably had inklings
inside myself that was like
oh you know that 7 o' vodka
every night is probably not that healthy
but because I was so capable in all
areas of my life the concept of being an
alcoholic for example um you know my
idea was somebody who was completely
incapacitated in their life they lived
in a skip under the you know railroad
they were they they were down and outers
and what I came to understand is
that you know you don't have to hit rock
bottom in order to be
um using alcohol as a crutch in your
life here's to being a great cook here
to being a 60 Minutes caught up with L
in
1997 she was pregnant with her first son
Flynn and this is my every now and then
glass of wine it's it's for show of
course it was a different time but you
wouldn't see this today was that when
you had started to drink too much El no
no it wasn't but you know in Europe
women drank wine all the way through
pregnancy and so that's what I knew that
I didn't even think about it right I
wouldn't choose to do that today it was
after the pregnancies that I
just you know things went
perect what did alcoholism look like to
you how much were you drinking and and
it's never really about how much you
drink it's why and so the point was for
me was that I I felt that I couldn't
live life on life's terms without some
crutch and alcohol was the easiest one
you probably also were living in a you
know a vast party culture too because it
wasn't just alcohol it was party drugs
as well wasn't it that in the 80s and
90s I mean everybody was you know there
was so
much recreational drugs around for sure
and um and nobody thought twice of it
and you know they were said uh
you know for example cocaine is not
addictive and and you know that was it
was a sort of foot loose and fancy free
time would you say now that it was
addictive that you were addicted to say
cocaine you I mean you didn't know that
at the time no I I wasn't addicted to
cocaine but the Grog was certainly
taking its toll it was the early 2000s L
was engaged to hedge fund billionaire
Ari bouson and raising their two young
Sons Flynn and sigh she says her
drinking had escalated to the point
where she was sick and unhappy El knew
she was struggling and checked herself
in for treatment in
Arizona when we're out of balance in
that way within
ourselves it's um a
really painful place to be I just wanted
to get well there is shame around it
though isn't there and and I guess there
is a stigma around it particularly when
you've pressured yourself to be perfect
your whole life well I think there's
more of a stigma around you know being
drunk how was rehab for you you've never
talked about it before so I had a I had
a great
time I loved
it yeah 6 weeks away um time away from
my life that was at that time was
overwhelming you know remember I'd
worked since I was 18 years old day in
day out pretty much in a very high Prof
kind of um life and it changed my life
forever when you came home did you try
to pick up where you'd left off being
super mom Super Wife super model I think
I I put on the brakes a little more when
I got home uh you know I realized it
didn't have to be everything to
everybody El had to make hard decisions
about her future and the toughest was
walking away from her 10-year
relationship with Aki and you said Ary
didn't want to be under control of my
lifestyle and I didn't want to be a
victim of
his well I think it's that idea of
trying to control another human being
another being you know that is
definitely not love love and control
can't coexist and and I think if your
lifestyles are not aligned that's when
it becomes tricky it's not because one
drinks and one doesn't or one you know
Works more and one doesn't it's where
there's no alignment in your lifestyle
and that can become very um
dissonant I'm thinking that must have
been a very tough decision though for
you given that you'd come from a broken
marriage and now you had two little kids
and you were walking away from a
relationship yes that had been what 10
years yeah I walked away from the dream
you know growing old with the father of
my children and I walked
towards a new relationship with Ari it's
still with so much love for the boys we
co-p parented we just didn't live
together how do you manage it now how
does that I haven't had a drink I
haven't had a drink for 21 no I hear you
but I mean so what do I do I go to AA
meetings um
often uh um and for many many years I
would go to an AA meeting every every
day sometimes two sometimes three times
a day do you ever have days now where
you feel like you want to drink
never never
ever beating the booze was a mark of L's
strength but there was an even bigger
test looming coming up El merson's
toughest
challenge let's talk about the bombshell
that you've dropped in this book
um yes so um what do you want to
know the Star is
Born back in the 1980s and '90s they
weren't called super models for
nothing El mcferson easily took her
place in this Elite group but even in
the glare of attention she retained a
certain
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mystery today tucked away in a tiny
corner of Bondi thank you so much
congratulations author L is a much more
open book thank you what's your name my
name's Gemma
Gemma do you feel like the bird is
flying The Nest sitting here today
signing your book in a
bookstore Ah that's a really interesting
analogy I feel like it more like the
woman has come to land the eagle has
landed cuz until now it's been a labor
of love it's it's been in your head and
now it's out in the world just to see it
in in the tangible reality is is pretty
extraordinary and as she looks back on
her life she wants to share the lessons
she had to learn the hard way
on issues like mental health addiction
marriage breakdowns and most recently a
cancer
diagnosis many years ago you threw your
support behind breast cancer research
and you said that it was because you'd
made a living out of your breasts true
and that proved to be prophetic didn't
it
um yes so um what do you want to know I
want to know about that phone call that
you had in 2017 17 which is every
woman's worst nightmare that you're now
telling us about I was diagnosed with
breast cancer let's put it simply and
um as you can imagine it was a bit of a
shock did you think hang on I you know I
don't drink I don't smoke I keep myself
fit I eat really well I'm a wellness
Guru how the hell is this happening to
me absolutely and I think any woman most
women would say that when they diagnosed
nobody thinks it's going to happen to
them El says there was no time to give
into fear she immediately underwent
lumpectomy surgery time I thought it was
quite um a big step but it was nothing
compared to you know what was later
suggested and so I had a lumpectomy to
see what kind of cancer it was and what
kind of tumor it was and
then uh you know then I got the results
from that and then I had a second
lumpectomy and I was told I had a
reasonably aggressive uh type of breast
cancer all right so you have the second
lumpectomy and I think they removed half
your breast tissue is that right and no
clear margins no clear margins on the
second ah
either this is important when a patient
is told no clear margins it means
there's a risk cancer cells may still be
present L's specific type of cancer is
called herto positive estrogen receptive
intraductal
carcinoma it's generally considered
precancerous and
noninvasive but it still has to be
completely
removed remember L had no clear
margins introduct or cancer is not
generally considered a candidate for
chemotherapy but the follow-up treatment
she was recommended was
aggressive what were you told needed to
Happ happen mastectomy chemotherapy
radiation and hormone
replacement yeah was was one of those
moments you know I sit here call as a
cucumber talking about it but the
reality is you know it was a very
big
um deep breath moment let's put it that
way so you're told myectomy mhm were you
going to do that I thought thought about
it yeah something didn't feel right
about it though why
not you know it's it's not logical it
was just an inner sense I had a a a a
feeling that there was a different way
to approach this and and I followed
it it is it did you resist it because
you understandably didn't want to lose
one or both breasts I mean
understandably ill I think you know if I
have a choice of losing my life or
losing my breasts I think I would choose
to lose the breasts so and that was the
that was the alternative that I was
given so it was not a vanity Choice let
me put it that way um it was it was a I
made a choice to go a more natural route
in my um treatment because that's what
really resonated with me from within
from my my the last 20 years of my life
um I had been
following natural medicine I had been
really looking at the body as a in a
holistic way so looking at emotional
mental em uh spiritual and physical
well-being put simply after the
lumpectomies L rejected traditional
cancer treatment so you are told that
you should have radiotherapy
chemotherapy
ostectomy uh hormone blockers because
yours was an estrogen receptive
carcinoma you decide not to do any of
that I decided to do different things
what did you do we don't have enough
time to talk about that because it was
such an intense protocol but the
overriding um protocol was a natural
protocol but very
complex what El does explain in her book
is that she consulted 32 practitioners
before deciding on 8 months of intense
therapy under the guidance of two
holistic doctors in Phoenix
Arizona her treatment included natural
medications through intravenous strips
Dentistry osteopaths
chiropractors and a lot of spiritual
work do you believe that you cured your
breast cancer
holistically well the word cure is a
very interesting word no I healed
through breast cancer yes I did and and
it wasn't just me I had a very
formidable team that helped me through
it so now I would you know I'm
clinically um in remission that's words
that you know most doctors would
say now this is where our interview gets
a little uncomfortable for both of us
normally a person's cancer treatment
plan would be nobody else's business but
L chose to write about her very
unconventional choices we consulted an
Australian breast oncologist who told us
how El's cancer would have been treated
here and expressed very real concerns
about the protocol that she followed
because one in seven Australian women
will be diagnosed with breast cancer it
would be irresponsible for us not to
share that with you the specialist told
us that because of her choices elow has
statistically a % chance of recurrence
in 10 years she's already at 7
years I want to be absolutely
responsible in this in this moment
because people are looking at you and
they're looking at me as to you know
when they're making their own decisions
that's that's that's a responsibility
that I feel and I wouldn't normally talk
to I've never done this before I've
never talked to anyone in such detail
about something as personal as breast
cancer but I think we need to go into
more detail around yours now because of
the path you took and because I'm so
mindful of decisions people might
make so if you'd sought treatment in
Australia you would not have been
offered chemotherapy yes um you would
have only been offered a myectomy if
there were no clear margins which there
were not and you probably wouldn't have
been offered radio therapy if you were
offered a myectomy but you would have
been urged to have radiotherapy without
aomy you would have also been urged to
have hormone blockers because of the
estrogen receptive element of it does
all of that fit with some of the advice
that you were given I think a well I
noticed because I spoke to uh Australian
doctors here we do have a different way
of of um it seems to be that there's a
different way of uh treating breast
cancer here in Australia than there are
than there is for example in America
America and some hospitals in
America there's more for us still to
thrash out here but for L it's her body
her choice and she chose the path Less
Traveled your decision was quite
unconventional like the rest of my life
like a like a lot of your why would you
be surprised what do you understand
about your risk of recurrence going
forward
El merson's in her element working the
camera from all
angles today she's the founder and face
of a booming wellness
company ready and author in her new book
she's sharing the lessons of a big life
with big challenges including her 2017
breast cancer diagnosis and the decision
she made to reject chemotherapy
radiation and a
myectomy I'm curious to know what
underpinned this decision yes are you
not generally a fan of conventional
Western
medicine uh it depends you know it can
be great if you have a car accident and
you need a limb cut off it can be great
I mean there's
incredible there's it's individual you
know I don't painting a board brush
stroke over you know conventional
medicine would be um disingenuous from
my perspective and there's time in place
for everything however I have
adopted um a more natural lifestyle
because that's what works for me so do
you not take antibiotics if you have an
infection do you not have a flu jab each
year because you have a history of
pneumonia have you chosen not to do that
for example uh I've chosen to look after
my body in the most natural way possible
for the bulk of the time so if I keep
myself well for example and I don't get
the flu um in fact I can't even remember
the last time I had the flu and if I can
get by without antibiotics I usually do
7 years ago plenty of doctors told El
she needed aggressive medical
intervention to treat her breast cancer
but after two lumpectomies and complex
Natural Therapy she says she's now
clinically in remission did you talk to
any of those doctors who had said to you
back then that you should have a
myectomy and and chemotherapy and radi
and what do they think about your
results now have you gone back to them
and said have a have a look like
n uh no I listen I I I got a lot of
advice I spoke to 32 doctors along the
way and I write very um
clearly about that journey of um of
coming to that conclusion Within Myself
it wasn't an easy easy decision that I
made but it was a decision that I felt
was right for me and I have come to the
understanding that there is no right or
wrong
decisions or Choices put it that way and
how people choose to heal this was the
decision that not only felt right for me
but also worked for me so given that you
had two lumpectomies neither of which
with clear
margins what sort of scans have you had
since multiple you know I do the scans
that everybody else does um had
everything done um blood and imagery and
um you know all the regular scans that
people have what do you understand about
your risk of recurrence going
forward I don't anticipate any and I
have no indication that there would
be zero what makes you so confident
because of the life that I live and
because of the fact that when I did the
work that I did I looked at the root
cause and um and I believe in that the
body has the infinite capacity to heal
and I can and I am in utter Wellness so
I have no indication why would I be
thinking oh gosh what if it comes back
because then I'd be you know fearful and
fear is something that can really make
you ill so I'm not interested in that
and if you're Focus focusing on the the
reoccurrence and instead of focusing on
your well-being and I think that's a
it's a a wise way to live life is to
focus on
well-being El says the Pinnacle of her
well-being has been motherhood her two
sons young adults now Flynn and Sai are
forging their own careers my mom is I'm
at person she was a uh superm model in
the
80s my biggest guidance comes from my
own heart you know sense of intuition
sense
of a sense of knowing so that is the
guidance but I do believe the Power of
Love is the most important thing that
exists and my whole life has really been
a journey
from my head to my head to my heart and
El's heart is now with American Musician
Doyle Bramhall you're in love again is
this one
keeper I don't think we really keep
anybody in the sense that you know it
there not our role to want to own
somebody and uh it's not a healthy way
to to have a relationship but I am
deeply in love and enjoying every minute
of it whatever El does gets attention
but she's used to it besides she's at
peace with her life and her decisions
and full of joy for the future have you
put your demons to rest l i I mean all
of the things that plagued you in the
early years have they gone are you
different woman days ter us I would
never have called them demons there're
such I've had
such wonderful
opportunities to um to evolve you know
evolve in life and through the ups and
downs through divorce through marriage
through cancer through building
businesses through um you know children
births it's it's been
extraordinary and um and I'm deeply
grateful for
it hello I'm Tara Brown thanks for
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