Ripple CEO Brad Garlinghouse on how the crypto industry will rebuild
Summary
TLDRLe débat围绕 la position de la SEC et le rôle de Gary Gendler, le président, dans la réglementation des actifs cryptographiques. L'approbation de l'ETF Bitcoin n'est pas vue comme un changement de ton, et le speaker critique la stratégie de Gendler. Il est question de l'avenir de l'industrie cryptographique, en particulier de l'ETF Ethereum, et de l'évolution des réglementations aux États-Unis par rapport à d'autres jurisdictions. Le speaker est optimiste quant au développement de l'industrie cryptographique et la perspective de Ripple pour 2024, en mettant l'accent sur la réglementation et la création de solutions de base. Il discute également de l'importance de la régularité et de la stabilité pour les investisseurs et de l'impact de la réglementation sur les entreprises cryptographiques.
Takeaways
- 📊 L'approbation du Bitcoin ETF n'a pas changé la position de la SEC ou du président Gary Gensler, qui continuent de considérer la plupart des cryptomonnaies comme des valeurs mobilières.
- 🤔 Gary Gensler est perçu comme un fardeau politique aux États-Unis et certains pensent qu'il ne travaille pas dans le meilleur intérêt de la croissance économique à long terme.
- 💡 L'approbation de l'ETF Bitcoin a conduit à une hausse du prix de l'ether, suscitant des espoirs pour un éventuel ETF ETH.
- 👀 Il est prévu que d'autres ETF pour les cryptomonnaies seront créés, bien que le temps précis n'est pas spécifié.
- 🇺🇸 La SEC a perdu plusieurs fois devant les tribunaux pour sa gestion des cryptomonnaies, ce qui a conduit à des appels à changer de direction à la tête de la SEC.
- 🆚 Les États-Unis risquent de perdre leur leadership dans l'industrie des cryptomonnaies face à d'autres juridictions qui ont pris les devants.
- 📈 L'industrie des stablecoins a surpris de nombreuses personnes et il est prévu que des réglementations claires seront mises en place cette année.
- 💼 Ripple a poursuivi son développement dans les paiements et a récemment investi dans le marché de la garde en raison de la demande croissante.
- 💼 L'entreprise envisage d'étendre ses activités à d'autres secteurs à travers des acquisitions, tout en restant axée sur l'infrastructure blockchain pour les entreprises.
- 💰 Ripple a un solde financier solide et ne considère pas l'IPO comme une priorité à court terme, préférant investir dans l'entreprise et explorer d'autres options.
- 🌐 L'industrie des cryptomonnaies est optimiste pour 2024, avec un accent mis sur la conformité et la résolution de problèmes réels pour les clients plutôt que sur la spéculation.
Q & A
Quelle est l'opinion de l'interviewé sur la position de Gary Gensler, le président de la SEC, concernant Bitcoin et les crypto-actifs ?
-L'interviewé considère que Gary Gensler, le président de la SEC, n'a pas changé de ton envers Bitcoin et les crypto-actifs. Il compare sa position à une expression qui signifie faire la même chose sans attendre un résultat différent, considérant que Gensler continue de perdre en justice.
Quelle est l'importance de l'approbation de l'ETF Bitcoin pour le marché des crypto-actifs ?
-L'approbation de l'ETF Bitcoin est considérée comme une étape importante pour le développement du marché des crypto-actifs, car elle démontre que les actifs Bitcoin sont reconnus comme des actifs à part entière par les institutions de trading. Cependant, l'interviewé souligne que cela ne signifie pas que d'autres crypto-actifs pourront être approuvés sans une analyse plus approfondie.
Quelle est l'impact de l'approbation de l'ETF Bitcoin sur le marché des ETH ?
-L'approbation de l'ETF Bitcoin a provoqué une augmentation significative de la valeur de l'ETH, car les investisseurs espéraient que cela pourrait ouvrir la voie à l'approbation d'autres ETFs, y compris pour Ethereum.
Quels sont les défis actuels pour le secteur des crypto-actifs aux États-Unis, en particulier en ce qui concerne la réglementation ?
-Les défis actuels pour le secteur des crypto-actifs aux États-Unis incluent la manque de réglementation complète et une approche arbitrary et capricieuse de la part de l'SEC, ce qui peut être perçu comme un facteur de risque pour les investisseurs et les entreprises du secteur.
Quelle est la perspective de l'interviewé quant à l'adoption de réglementation pour les crypto-actifs aux États-Unis ?
-L'interviewé est optimiste quant à l'adoption de réglementation pour les crypto-actifs aux États-Unis, en particulier en ce qui concerne les stablecoins. Il croit que la réglementation Clarity est nécessaire pour stabiliser le marché et encourager le développement de l'industrie.
Quelle est la position de l'interviewé sur la possibilité d'une réglementation pour les crypto-actifs dans d'autres juridictions ?
-L'interviewé souligne que d'autres juridictions, comme l'Union européenne et certains autres pays, ont déjà adopté des réglementations pour les crypto-actifs, ce qui peut être un atout pour les investisseurs et les entreprises qui cherchent à s'éloigner de la réglementation hostile aux États-Unis.
Quelle est l'importance de la réglementation pour le développement de l'industrie crypto dans les États-Unis ?
-La réglementation est cruciale pour le développement de l'industrie crypto en améliorant la confiance des investisseurs, stabilisant le marché et permettant une croissance économique durable. Sans une réglementation claire et équitable, les investisseurs et les entreprises peuvent être réduits à un hostilité envers le secteur.
Quelle est la perspective de l'interviewé concernant la compétitivité des États-Unis dans le secteur des crypto-actifs ?
-L'interviewé est optimiste sur la compétitivité des États-Unis dans le secteur des crypto-actifs, en particulier si des réglementations claires et équitables sont adoptées. Il croit que les investisseurs et les entreprises préférent un environnement réglementé plutôt que de s'exposer à la hostilité de l'industrie américaine.
Quelle est la position de l'interviewé sur la possibilité d'une échelle de Ripple dans le paysage des crypto-actifs ?
-L'interviewé est optimiste quant à la possibilité d'une échelle de Ripple dans le paysage des crypto-actifs, en particulier s'agissant de l'expansion de la plateforme de paiement Ripple et de l'entrée dans le marché de la gestion des actifs. Il croit que les investissements dans ces domaines continueront de croître et d'améliorer la position de Ripple.
Quelle est la stratégie de Ripple pour l'année 2024 ?
-La stratégie de Ripple pour l'année 2024 incluira une investment dans le marché de la gestion des actifs, en particulier en améliorant les services de gestion de l'actif. De plus, Ripple prévoit d'explorer d'autres marchés verticals à travers l'acquisition, en s'appuyant sur sa solide position de bilan pour continuer à progresser et à s'offrir des opportunités de développement.
Quelle est l'attitude de Ripple envers l'IPO et l'expérience de l'industrie crypto actuelle ?
-Ripple n'est pas actuellement préoccupé par un IPO ou une échelle de l'industrie crypto actuelle, en particulier s'il n'est pas nécessaire pour le financement. L'entreprise est plus préoccupée par l'investissement dans les services de paiement et de gestion d'actifs, en s'appuyant sur une solide position de bilan et en se concentrant sur la satisfaction des investisseurs et des institutions financieres.
Quelle est l'opinion de l'interviewé sur l'impact de la réglementation sur le marché des crypto-actifs ?
-L'interviewé est optimiste quant à l'impact de la réglementation sur le marché des crypto-actifs, en particulier s'il s'agit de réglementations claires et équitables. Il croit que cela peut améliorer la confiance des investisseurs et favoriser le développement de l'industrie, en contraste avec les réglementations hostiles qui peuvent réduire l'attrait de l'industrie.
Outlines
😀 Attitude du SEC et Gary Gensler vis-à-vis des cryptomonnaies
Le paragraphe 1 aborde la position du SEC et de son président Gary Gensler concernant les cryptomonnaies, malgré l'approbation du Bitcoin ETF. Gensler n'a pas approuvé le Bitcoin et considère la plupart des autres crypto-actifs comme des valeurs mobilières. L'orateur critique la persistance de Gensler dans une approche qui a déjà échoué en justice et considère qu'il est devenu un fardeau politique aux États-Unis. Il exprime l'opinion qu'un changement de direction au SEC serait bénéfique. Le texte mentionne également une déclaration du SEC après l'approbation du Bitcoin ETF, indiquant qu'il ne permettrait pas automatiquement d'autres crypto-actifs, et l'augmentation du prix de l'ether suite à cette approbation, suscitant des espoirs d'un éventuel ETF ETH.
😐 L'industrie des cryptomonnaies et la réglementation aux États-Unis
Le paragraphe 2 discute de l'impact de la réglementation et de l'absence de réglementation complète autour des cryptomonnaies aux États-Unis, en comparaison avec d'autres juridictions comme l'Union européenne. Il mentionne plusieurs projets de loi en cours de discussion, notamment en ce qui concerne les stablecoins, et la probabilité qu'ils soient adoptés en 2024, en particulier à cause du soutien du Trésor américain. L'orateur estime que cela apporterait de la clarté réglementaire, ce qui serait bénéfique pour l'industrie. Il aborde également les risques pour les États-Unis de perdre leur leadership dans l'industrie face à d'autres pays qui ont pris l'avance et la nécessité de réglementation claire pour rester compétitif.
😄 L'optimisme pour l'industrie des cryptomonnaies et les plans de Ripple
Dans le paragraphe 3, l'optimisme de l'orateur pour l'industrie des cryptomonnaies en 2024 est exprimé, soulignant l'importance de la conformité et de la résolution de problèmes réels pour les clients plutôt que la spéculation. Il mentionne également les plans de Ripple pour cette année, notamment l'expansion de Ripple Pay et l'entrée sur le marché de la garde en 2023. Il est question de l'intérêt de Ripple pour d'autres marchés sectoriels, possiblement par le biais d'acquisitions, et de l'importance d'une feuille de balance solide pour continuer à investir et à jouer offense. L'orateur aborde également les attentes de croissance et de rentabilité pour Ripple cette année, ainsi que les considérations pour une éventuelle introduction en bourse, qui n'est pas une priorité à court terme en raison de la situation réglementaire actuelle et de la force du bilan de Ripple.
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Keywords
💡SEC
💡Bitcoin ETF
💡Crypto-currencies
💡Gary Gensler
💡Reglementation
💡Stablecoins
💡Ripple
💡Court
💡Investissement
💡Économie
💡Stratégie
Highlights
Gary Gensler, the chair of the SEC, has not changed his tone towards crypto assets despite the approval of the Bitcoin ETF.
Gensler does not endorse Bitcoin and continues to label most crypto assets as securities.
The speaker believes Gensler's stance is a political liability and not in the best interest of the U.S. economy's long-term growth.
The approval of the Bitcoin ETF was a result of a U.S. court ruling against the SEC's arbitrary and capricious application of the law.
The price of Ether spiked after the Bitcoin ETF approval on hopes for a potential ETH ETF.
The speaker is certain that there will be other crypto ETFs in the future, though not specifying a timeline.
The U.S. has not passed comprehensive crypto regulations, unlike the European Union with MiCA.
Several bills are in the lawmaking process, including one focused on stablecoins.
The speaker predicts legislation will pass in 2024, particularly around stablecoin clarity.
The U.S. Treasury is in favor of stablecoin regulation, which the speaker sees as beneficial for the industry.
Ripple has been hiring non-U.S. employees due to the hostile government and lack of regulatory clarity in the U.S.
The speaker is optimistic about the U.S. eventually finding its footing in the crypto industry.
Ripple's lawsuit with the SEC has seen significant wins, with cases against two executives dismissed and the judge ruling that XRP is not a security.
Ripple's focus for 2024 includes investing in its core product, Ripple Payments, and its newly entered custody market.
Ripple is considering entering other vertical markets, potentially through acquisitions.
Ripple is cash flow positive and has a strong balance sheet, allowing for continued investment and acquisitions.
An IPO is not a short-term priority for Ripple due to a strong financial position and lack of need to raise capital.
The speaker is optimistic about the crypto market in 2024, emphasizing compliance and solving real customer problems.
The retail investor may be more cautious in this cycle due to past experiences and recent events in the crypto space.
The speaker draws a parallel between the early internet era and the current state of the crypto industry, suggesting a long-term positive outlook.
AI has become the new 'cool kid' in technology, displacing crypto, which the speaker views as a positive sign for the maturity of the crypto industry.
Transcripts
it certainly didn't sound like the SEC
or or the chair Gary gansler changed
their tone even after the approval of
the Bitcoin ETF there was a statement
Gary genser said he didn't endorse
Bitcoin uh he still called most other
crypto assets Securities is this
postering or do you think there's a
chance yesc has changed its
stance there's an expression about you
know one of the definitions of insanity
is doing the same thing over and over
again and not expecting a different
outcome I think Gary gendler is doing
the same thing over and over again and
thinks that somehow he's going to win in
court he has continued to lose in court
uh I do think the chair of the SEC Gary
gendler has become a political liability
in the United States and I think he's
not acting the best interest of the
citizenry he's not acting the best
interest of the longterm growth of the
economy uh and I don't understand it and
I think at some point you know there
will be a new chair of the SEC and I
think uh that'll be a good thing for the
American people there were a couple of
interesting things after that Bitcoin
ETF uh was approved proved in that
statement one and I paraphrase here was
effectively G Gary genter saying just
because we allowed the Bitcoin ETF don't
think we're now going to allow a bunch
of other crypto assets the second
interesting thing was the price of ether
skyrocketed immediately after on hopes
that they could now next be an eth ETF
um what are the chances of that I think
it's a certainty
I I I I I'm not going to put a horizon
on the time but I think there will be
other ETFs for sure X1 there will be
other ETFs for sure but but an xof
E1 I love this game we play look uh I am
very op that's fine the sad part of that
reality is we have a Bitcoin ETF only
because a US court said to the SEC
you're being arbitrary and capricious in
your apply of your applic application of
the law what would be sad is if every
ETF had to go through that same Journey
journey and for Gary gendler to get
smacked down by the US court system
again that that might be it might be
necessary but you know again at some
point I think Gary gendler won't be the
chair of the SEC and that'll be a good
thing for the American people there's
what the secc does and then there's what
is going on in Washington uh in amongst
lawmakers and that's those are those are
linked but also separate now the US
hasn't passed any kind of comprehensive
regulation around uh crypto assets at
this point unlike you know you see in
the European Union with Ma and some of
the other jurisdictions you mentioned
earlier as well to buy um but there are
a number of bills trying to make their
way through the lawmaking process one of
those is around stable coins there a
number of other others as well um do you
think that in 2024 there is the
political will given it's an election
year as well to to pass some of these
bills and bring them into law I I said
earlier I don't like to predict things B
based on time and this one I will I
think this year there will be uh
legislation that passes I I won't be as
uh you know predictive about which one I
think it likelihood is that the
stablecoin uh Clarity for stable coin I
can't remember the name of the bill that
has been uh you know going through the
the system in Washington DC but I think
we will see that in part because the US
Treasury wants it right I think the
stable coin Market has really surprised
people in some ways in terms is solving
a real need and I think it only makes
sense for there to be regulatory Clarity
around that I think that's good for the
whole industry and you know one of the
things we you said earlier is you know
are there skeletons in the closet the
stable coin Market because there hasn't
been clear rules of the road uh it'll be
interesting as that that comes to frish
you know the two primary obviously usdt
and usdc I I think they are you know
here to stay and I think you're going to
see other entrance in that market too
you you said before that the the U the
US risks losing some of the leadership
around around this industry that other
countries uh have taken a lead um and a
lot of that is due to what the SEC does
and the fact there isn't clear
regulation in the US if the regulation
does pass this year if there's clearer
rules for the for the road uh for the
for the broader industry does that help
will will the US be able to compete with
some of these other jurisdiction who
took an early lead in in this industry I
I for sure yes I I don't think the the
market has passed the US I think it has
passing and you are seeing I mean look
we have publicly shared uh over 70% of
Ripple's hiring last year was non- us
despite the fact that there's still a
majority of our employees in the United
States why would we want to hire in a
market where we have a hostile
government we have a government who
won't provide the clarity we have asked
for where we had to fight for years and
spend well well over100 million doar in
the court system to fight them so you
know there will continue to be a lot of
activity I think in London in Dubai in
Singapore or in some of the other uh you
know Capital Financial capitals of the
world but I think the US eventually
figes it out uh I don't know how to
predict what's going to happen in the
election cycle but no matter what
there's going to be you know a shift if
you will and I think we will see a shift
at the SEC hopefully to a a new chair
that is uh constructive and wants to
work with the industry and not put their
own agenda ahead of the the American
peoples um I've been asking you this
since 2020 because that's how long it's
been going on for Ripp
versus the SEC lawsuit when when do we
get a conclusion look but most of it has
been resolved right so the SEC filed a
lawsuit in December of 2020 so just over
three years ago against me against Chris
Larson and against Ripple the case
against uh Chris and Brad myself uh have
been dismissed entirely with prejudice
meaning they can't ever bring it back
and the case against Ripple they lost on
everything they cared about I mean their
primary tenant was that xrp is a
security and in the judge Torres opinion
what she wrote is xrp is in of itself
not a security so I feel very good about
that the SEC then asked for approval to
appeal that decision and that was denied
so I mean look the SEC has lost
consistently in this case uh there is a
piece of the case that continues around
institutional sales because investment
contracts where Ripple sold xrp to in
institutions who wanted to speculate the
irony there is you know again the sec's
one of their missions is to protect
investors how many of our institutional
xrp sales did they lose
money
none like what are we arguing about what
are we anyway so look that will uh
proceed through the court system for a
little bit longer but I I feel very good
about where we are and I I I frankly
really pleased for the whole xrp
ecosystem and the whole crypto Market
benefited immensely from that legal win
um just for the last five minutes Brad
let's talk about Ripple what your focus
is this year where where you're going
and the future um um for for 2024 where
are you putting your energy well a
couple things come to mind there
obviously uh our core product R Ripple
payments has continued to grow uh and
that's something we'll continue to
invest in more uh payout markets around
the world we uh through an acquisition
entered the custody Market in 2023 uh
certainly a lot of our investment our
incremental new investment in 2024 will
be invested in the custody business uh
is that in ant is that in anticipation
of of some of these bigger investors
getting in to the markets and well I
mean I on one hand I say yes however
there's already a tremendous amount of
demand I mean that business is growing
very quickly we announced publicly just
a month or two ago that HSBC is a new uh
client of that business so you know
these are Big accounts as well as more
mid-market accounts the custody business
is very real and is going to continue to
grow nicely you know I do think Ripple
thinks about entering other vertical
markets so payments custody I think
we'll do other things in 2024 some of
the those will probably enter through
acquisition uh we've been super
fortunate to have a very strong balance
sheet at a time that uh you know that
the market has shifted and the the
valuations of a lot of these companies
is not what it once was that's been an
opportunity for us and so we're going to
continue to play offense and what are
the areas that interest you
then I was thinking about being your
wardrobe
consultant no I'm not going to announce
the world you know the key areas but
look ripple at its core is a block chain
infrastructure company serving
Enterprises we started with payments and
financial institutions we've moved into
custody a lot of overlap with those same
financial institutions uh but we're
going to expand with that same thematic
of infrastructure enterprise-based uh it
served us well and what what are your uh
growth expectations this year what what
Revenue growth are you tracking this
year will you be profitable this year so
you know we have been cash flow positive
the last couple of years uh you that has
been a unique place in the market and
allowed us to invest not only in the
core of Ripple but also in Acquisitions
even you know recently you may have read
we did a tender offer to our
shareholders we've now repurchased uh
over a billion dollars of stock from our
shareholders uh that's something that's
important to us quite frankly because it
is not an immediate term priority to go
public uh you know in the United States
trying to go public with a very hostile
regulator that has to approve your S1
that doesn't sound like a lot of fun to
me you know coin obviously had their S1
approved and now the SEC is suing them
for doing things that was outlined in
their S1 now that as I mentioned there's
a hearing tomorrow in the US about some
of that but I think it's indicative of
uh why would we want to subject
ourselves to an SEC that is openly
hostile to this industry so so in terms
of an IPO an exit of some sort is that
sort of parked to the side at this point
yeah you looking elsewhere outside the
US for a listing I I mean yes to all of
those uh
I don't think about an IPO as an exit I
think about an IPO as a step in the
journey uh you know shareholder
liquidity is important to me we have
investors that first invested in Ripple
in 2012 so uh they've been in this deal
for you know 11 and a half years and so
we want to provide that liquidity which
is one of the reasons why we've done
these tender offers and now per
repurchased just over a billion dollars
of stock uh you know we have looked at
other jurisdictions that have clear
rules of the road but honestly a lot of
people go public because they need to
raise Capital yeah Ripple is not really
in a place where we need to raise
capital and so it it is not a short-term
priority we're obviously keeping that
option open uh and we'll evaluate it you
know as time continues and we'll
evaluate again as we have uh new
Regulators sitting at the United States
SEC and I guess some of it's Market
dependent as well last year was an
interesting uh you know space with the
in the tech World more broadly there
were a lot of secondaries BuyBacks but
very few IPOs the market wasn't
obviously very great for him so I guess
it's also you know how how the broader
markets play out as well for sure that's
part of it and not just the public
markets but also the crypto markets and
you know I think uh coinbase's stock is
in a much stronger position now than it
was a year ago but uh obviously well off
its highs from three years ago when it
went public so I it's just not a huge
priority we have a lot of capital very
strong balance sheet we can continue to
play offense through an acquisition
point of view invest in the business
you know as we started this conversation
I am very optimistic about the crypto
Market in 2024 uh because of those
things around putting compliance first
right making sure we focused on solving
real problems for customers and not just
the speculative cycle I think will put
the whole industry and a really good
trajectory how do you think the retail
investor feels because the you know we
know in previous Cycles uh more broadly
you know you get the initial bump up
sort of at the phase we're in now and
what takes it really to those alltime
High is the the the the fever amongst
the retail investors now the last cycle
was was special it was a very different
crypto winter to one that we had seen
before characterized by a lot of
bankruptcies a lot of contagion and then
obviously the issues with FTX and
binance as well um do you think the
retail investor at this point may be a
little bit more cautious this time
around this cycle about dipping the toe
back in I I think probably yes but you
know look uh one of the I think
advantages I've been around the block
once or twice I remember the earliest
days of the internet as we know it and
you know the retail investor really drew
the hype cycle of Internet 1.0 and I'm
talking about 1999 2000 and then you had
a wash out in 2001 2002 and that was a
painful you know the dotc crash but
today when we sit here the some of the
most valuable companies on the planet in
alphabet meta you know these are
companies that were born of that era
and so I I think that what happens in
the short term around crypto is you know
I take a very long View and I I
encourage whether you're a retail
investor or an Institutional Investor I
think if you take a long-term view about
where these markets are going and why
there's so much momentum despite the
self-inflicted wounds I mean again as
you and I talked backstage Bitcoin is
not that far from its all-time high
right now yeah and I'm I'm very
optimistic about what we're going to see
this year um BR just as we WRA up uh I
was walking down the prominade yesterday
and crypto has been displaced by AI as
the cool kid on the block how do you
feel about that I'm thrilled you're
thrilled why look I I think that it's
good that crypto is boring now right
it's cryp I
don't look I I think uh everything every
new technology goes through a hype cycle
I think AI is also a technology here to
stay transformational in a lot of ways
but also not exactly clear what the
business models are how it's going to
play out and I think that's where crypto
was a few years ago and I think now
we're further along and I think that's a
very positive thing for the crypto
industry I'm excited about what's going
on in AI uh I'm I'm a Voyer not a
participant in that world but uh it's
going to be interesting rad always a
pleasure to speak to you that was a
well- win tour as always thank you so
much for joining me today Round of
Applause for Brad Garling CEO of r
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