Short-Term Bullishness in a Bearish World: A Pro Trader's Perspective

Crowded Market Report by Jason Shapiro
1 Jun 202313:56

Summary

TLDR本视频脚本讨论了交易策略和市场分析。演讲者强调了投机者在固定收益市场中的极端立场,以及如何利用市场确认来决定交易时机。他们提到了新闻失败的概念,即市场对新闻的反应与预期相反,这可以是一个转折点。此外,演讲者分享了自己的交易哲学,包括风险管理和对市场预测的怀疑态度,以及他们对黄金和欧元的交易观点。

Takeaways

  • 📉 投机者在2022年对固定收益的做空在很大程度上是正确的,但并不是所有情况下反其道而行之都能获利,只有在极端情况下才有效。
  • 🔄 投机者在3月份对固定收益的看空态度已经改变,这使得目前并不是一个看多固定收益的好时机。
  • 📈 交易者强调市场确认的重要性,即使有交易想法,也需要市场给出相应的信号。
  • 📊 “新闻失败”是一个重要的交易信号,即市场对重要新闻的反应与预期相反,这可能预示着市场趋势的转变。
  • 🤔 交易者需要对市场新闻做出反应,而不是仅仅基于个人理论或预测,这涉及到对市场动态的深入理解和适应。
  • 📊 交易者提到了股市在10月份的低点,CPI数据高于预期但股市并未下跌,这被视作是市场对看空者的失败信号。
  • 📉 交易者对于纳斯达克和标普500的态度不同,他们认为尽管纳斯达克表现更好,但市场可能过于乐观,而标普500则被过度看空。
  • 💰 交易者强调风险管理的重要性,认为长期盈利的关键在于合理的风险控制和止损策略。
  • 📉 交易者目前最有信心的交易是做空黄金,并且他们根据市场极端情况和新闻反应来决定交易方向。
  • 🚫 交易者不认为自己比市场更聪明,他们认为长期盈利的关键在于风险回报比,而不是预测市场的准确性。
  • 💡 交易者提到了Stanley Druckenmiller的观点,即成功的交易者不是因为他们总是正确,而是因为他们知道如何在错误时控制损失,并在正确时让利润增长。

Q & A

  • 投机者在2022年大部分时间里是如何操作固定收益产品的?

    -投机者在2022年大部分时间里做空固定收益产品,特别是10年期国债,并在这一时期内他们的操作是正确的。

  • 为什么说在极端情况下,与投机者反向操作效果最佳?

    -在极端情况下,市场情绪往往过于一致,这时与大众情绪反向操作可能会取得更好的效果,因为市场往往在极端情绪后出现反转。

  • 为什么说投机者目前不再做空固定收益产品?

    -在3月份之后,小投机者已经不再做空固定收益产品,这使得市场对于固定收益产品的看法出现了变化,因此不再适合继续做空。

  • 什么是'市场确认',为什么它在交易中很重要?

    -市场确认是指市场的实际走势与交易者的预期相符,这是交易决策的重要依据。它确保交易者不是单凭个人预测而是根据市场的实际表现来做出交易决策。

  • 如何理解'新闻失败'这个概念?

    -'新闻失败'是指市场在出现预期之外的负面新闻后,并没有按照预期的方向下跌,这通常意味着市场上的空头或多头已经过度集中,市场可能即将反转。

  • 为什么说风险管理是交易中最重要的概念?

    -风险管理确保交易者在面对市场不确定性时能够有效控制损失,它是长期交易成功的关键,而不是简单地预测市场的涨跌。

  • 为什么说大多数交易者无法长期准确预测市场?

    -因为市场是由无数参与者的集体行为决定的,没有任何个体能够长期准确地预测这种集体行为的结果。

  • 为什么交易者不应该只依赖于自己的预测来交易?

    -依赖于个人预测来交易忽略了市场是由众多参与者共同决定的事实,而且个人的预测往往会受到认知偏差的影响,不如市场的实际表现可靠。

  • 为什么说交易者应该关注风险回报比?

    -风险回报比是衡量交易是否值得进行的关键指标,它帮助交易者评估每笔交易的潜在收益与潜在风险,从而做出更合理的交易决策。

  • 为什么说交易者不应该只关注宏观经济因素?

    -宏观经济因素虽然重要,但它们通常已经被市场所消化,而且每个人都能接触到这些信息,因此它们并不能为交易者提供独特的优势或'边缘'。

  • 为什么交易者应该在市场出现极端情况时考虑反向操作?

    -市场在达到极端情况时,往往意味着大多数人的预期已经过于一致,这可能导致市场出现反转,因此反向操作在这种情况下可能会取得成功。

  • 为什么说交易者应该在市场确认自己的交易理论后再进行交易?

    -市场确认可以验证交易者的预测是否正确,如果市场走势与交易者的预期不符,那么交易者应该重新评估自己的交易理论,并在必要时退出市场。

  • 为什么说交易者在交易中不应该只追求正确?

    -因为即使是最成功的交易者也无法总是做出正确的预测,关键在于如何管理风险和收益,即使在预测错误的情况下也能通过合理的风险管理获得盈利。

Outlines

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📉 投机者极端情绪与市场转折点

第一段视频剧本讨论了投机者在2022年对固定收益的做空行为,并指出在极端情况下与投机者对立可能有效,但目前小投机者的情绪已改变,不再适合做多固定收益。此外,强调了市场确认交易的重要性,举例说明在股市低点时,尽管CPI数据高于预期,市场却未下跌,表明市场已对利空消息免疫,这是市场确认的信号,为做多提供了时机。

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📈 风险管理与市场预测的局限性

第二段中,讨论了交易策略,特别是如何通过市场极端情况和新闻反应来确定交易方向。强调了风险管理的重要性,指出即使是顶尖交易者也不能总是准确预测市场,而是通过严格的止损和让盈利奔跑来实现盈利。提到了Stanley Druckenmiller的观点,即交易成功不在于总是正确,而在于当交易正确时能够获得足够的回报。

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💶 欧元空头交易策略与市场分析

第三段讲述了基于市场参与者情绪和新闻反应的欧元空头交易策略。提到了欧洲央行会议结果比预期更为鹰派,本应利多欧元,但欧元却收跌,这成为了做空欧元的信号。讨论了在市场数据回归中性前保持空头头寸的计划,并强调了风险与回报的重要性,以及市场智慧的局限性。

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Keywords

💡投机者

投机者是指在金融市场上寻求通过价格波动获利的投资者。在视频中,投机者在2022年做空固定收益产品,如10年期国债,并且他们的判断是正确的。这表明投机者的行为可以对市场产生显著影响,是理解市场动态的关键词汇之一。

💡极端情况

极端情况指的是市场情绪或行为达到极端水平,如视频中提到的投机者对固定收益产品的极端做空。在交易中,极端情况往往被视为转折点,因为它们可能预示着市场情绪即将发生变化。

💡市场确认

市场确认是指市场行为与交易者预期一致的现象,如视频中提到的股票市场在CPI数据公布后的反应。这表明市场确认是交易者决定是否进入或退出交易的重要依据。

💡新闻失败

新闻失败是指市场对重要新闻的反应与预期相反的情况。例如,视频中提到的CPI数据高于预期,但股市并未下跌,这被视为市场对利空新闻的失败反应,可能预示着市场趋势的转变。

💡多头和空头

多头是指预期资产价格上涨并因此买入的交易者,而空头则是预期价格下跌并因此卖出的交易者。视频中提到了投机者从多头转为空头的时机,这是理解市场情绪和交易策略的关键概念。

💡风险管理

风险管理是交易中控制潜在损失的策略和过程。视频中强调了风险管理的重要性,如设置止损点和根据风险调整交易规模,以确保交易者能够在长期内保持盈利。

💡交易纪律

交易纪律是指交易者遵循既定规则和策略进行交易的能力。视频中提到,即使面对市场波动,交易者也应保持纪律,不因情绪而偏离既定的交易计划。

💡市场趋势

市场趋势是指市场价格在一段时间内的整体运动方向。视频中提到了纳斯达克指数和标准普尔500指数的趋势,以及交易者如何根据趋势进行交易决策。

💡高贝塔股票

高贝塔股票是指价格波动性高于市场平均水平的股票。视频中提到,交易者可能会追逐高贝塔股票,如纳斯达克指数中的科技股,以期获得更高的回报。

💡交易确认

交易确认是指市场行为与交易者预期一致,从而验证交易决策正确性的过程。视频中提到,交易者在进行交易前需要市场确认,以确保交易决策与市场实际表现相符。

💡止损点

止损点是交易者设置的一个价格水平,当市场价格达到这个水平时,交易者将自动退出交易以限制损失。视频中提到了如何根据风险管理原则设置止损点,以控制每笔交易的风险。

Highlights

投机者在2022年做空固定收益资产,但市场极端情况出现时,逆向操作可能更有效。

市场确认是交易的重要方面,需要市场行为来验证交易策略。

新闻失败是市场对预期消息反应的失败,这可以作为交易信号。

纳斯达克和标普500指数之间的差异并不大,但市场行为表现出不同的偏好。

市场参与者对纳斯达克的看多情绪可能源于对高贝塔股票的追逐。

风险管理是交易的核心,预测市场走势并不总是有效的。

交易者应专注于风险收益比,而不是试图始终正确预测市场。

交易者应有纪律性,即使错过某些市场机会也要坚持自己的交易策略。

市场极端情况出现时,如小投机者不再看空,可能是市场转向的信号。

交易者应识别并退出那些与预期相反的市场走势。

Stanley Druckenmiller强调,交易成功不在于总是正确,而在于风险管理。

交易者应设置紧密的止损点,以控制每笔交易的风险。

银行股票的交易机会可能存在,但需要深入了解市场情况。

交易者应避免仅基于宏观经济因素做出交易决策。

市场参与者的集体智慧比任何个体都要强大,不应试图超越市场。

交易者应专注于寻找市场中的边缘优势,而不是普遍共识。

市场短期走势可能与长期基本面分析相悖,交易者应灵活应对。

Transcripts

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and I see what you mean about the

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turning point because speculators were

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short fixed income to your notes 50

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notes 10-year notes for throughout much

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of 2022 and they were right so fading

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the speculators doesn't always work but

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you're saying it works best when it's at

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an extreme and right now it is an

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extreme well except the small

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speculators are not right now in the

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fixed income they were in March they're

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not anymore which is keeping me from

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from looking at getting long fixed

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income now there's another level to this

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okay because I always say to the people

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like on my Discord and the people that

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are get my newsletter the commitments of

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Traders is not enough to make a trade

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okay

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and I would argue no matter how you're

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trading no matter what your style of

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trading is you need the market to

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confirm what you want to do first that

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is such an important aspect to trading

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and including the trading that I do so

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how so what do you mean confirmed well

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everybody has to Define what confirm

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means what it means for me because I'm a

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turn picker right is okay so currency

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Traders saying everybody's short I'm

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looking to get long all right but I know

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commitment to Traders isn't perfect so

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I'm gonna wait I'm gonna wait for the

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market to confirm that so what I mean by

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confirm is the perfect example was the

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low in stocks in October what you had at

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the low in stocks in October right I

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call it news failure what you had at the

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low end stocks in October was CPI came

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out and this was the main focus

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obviously and still kind of is but

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certainly last year was the main focus

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of what was going on in stocks right

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people were getting super bearish stocks

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because inflation was not going away and

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the Fed was going to have to keep

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raising rates and yada yada right so in

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October you had the CPI came out higher

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than expected it was the highest CPI of

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the year more importantly higher than

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was even expected right and the stock

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market of course went down on that news

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that day and ended up closing up that

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day that to me is news failure right it

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gave the Bears every reason that they

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wanted for the market to go down and the

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market didn't go down and why is why is

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that to me it's because everybody's

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already short okay but I wait until I

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get that news failure right and then

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that's when I will get long because that

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is the market now confirming that it's

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time to go right and you um so a bearish

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news item that fails to sink the stock

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markets that's a failure for the Bears

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in the same way a great news item and

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the stock market goes down that's a

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failure for the bull so it's those those

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that's news failure that's really

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interesting and so yeah Jason what do

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you what do you think now I mean what

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would have to happen for you to turn

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bearish and also or even neutral and

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also what is it why is everyone so long

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the NASDAQ but then short the S P 500

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that seems like a you know a basis trade

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it's not that big the difference between

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the NASDAQ and the S P 500 it's like you

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know Apple's 11 instead of seven percent

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it's it's different but if you look at

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the correlations they're pretty similar

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right the correlation's similar the

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return certainly this year has not been

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similar and as except like whatever the

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number is 30 and the S P's up like eight

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but they've chased it I mean look

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they've chased it clearly a trend

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follower doesn't necessarily have to be

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long the s p here but it's trying to

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follow our house will be long the NASDAQ

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here all right there ain't no Trend

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following system along the NASDAQ here

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right so they've chased it from the

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trend following point of view and I

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think from a fundamental point of view

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people have been so short

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and underperforming in the hedge fund

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world in the long short Equity world and

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all that that they've probably had to

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chase the high beta stock to try and

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make up here is my guess I I'm making

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that up I don't know but that would be

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my guess as to why those people are

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starting to get long NASDAQ I mean

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people chase what's working that that's

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just natural right and that NASDAQ is

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working so they're chasing that one

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Higher

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right so NASDAQ doesn't have the energy

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to companies doesn't have the materials

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companies the real estate communication

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or uh you know it's it's really big cap

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Tech and Apple has been performing

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incredibly well Nvidia ridiculously well

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like you know 25 uh relative to the Past

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day we're recording on uh May 25th so

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okay NASDAQ has been outperforming the S

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P 500 so are you short are you are you

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embarrassed in NASDAQ because everyone

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is so bullish no I don't think that

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they're so bullish they're getting

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bullish but when they are so bullish

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then I will start to get bearish yeah

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okay I think we're getting close but for

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me we're not there yet the small

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speculators are still short NASDAQ

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that's why and the large speculars

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aren't maximum long and again the market

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can go down from here

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it's just going down without me yeah I

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mean like I trade a certain thing and I

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I stay very disciplined to that certain

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thing and I miss moves all the time okay

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whatever is going on in you know

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some other market today soybeans or

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whatever I am not a part of right

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because I am not in soybeans right now

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there are times when I am in soybeans

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but it's not now right so it can go down

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but it's going down without me so what's

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your highest conviction trade now short

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gold a long s p short gold is my highest

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conviction Trader and and that those are

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just for CO2 reasons all of my trades

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are exactly the same the cot shows

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extremes the market fails on news that

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should have made it go

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I go the other way that's what every

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single one of my boring trades looks

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like got it it gets back to neutral I

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get out or if I get short it takes out

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the new high I get stopped you know I'm

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picking a turn so by definition if I

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short something and it makes a new high

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then I didn't pick the turn did I so I'm

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wrong I get out I think that's another

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important concept for people to have

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when they're trading not only I want to

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be long this I should wait for the

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market to confirm at first but where is

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my theory wrong right whatever it is

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because then I have to get out you know

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my theory is this thing's breaking out

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okay well where has that breakout failed

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because then you got to get out you know

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more important

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to any of this crap is that risk

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management is what this game really is

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about people want to to believe that

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it's about I can predict whether a

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Market's going to go up or down right

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I'm here to tell you you can't over time

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and neither can I and neither can George

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Soros and neither can Stanley

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druckenmiller and Stanley druckenmiller

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is the first one to admit it one of my

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favorite quotes of all time Stanley

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Drucker Miller is probably arguably the

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greatest Trader alive okay if he's not

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he's certainly pretty damn close right I

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would argue he is but he has quotes

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where he says I am wrong way too much to

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count on being right to make money I had

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to figure out another way to make money

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other than being right and wrong and I

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have a client who who has had money

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would would stand for for many many

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years and he tells me the guy writes up

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these monthly reports and stuff and he

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said he's a beautiful writer and he

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makes these incredible arguments and

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they're wrong 80 percent of the time

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he's like if he were to read it and you

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would say Stanley drucken Miller is

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writing this and it's so well written

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and he's so smart you would follow every

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single thing that he did

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he's like but it's wrong 80 of the time

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but he still makes money because that's

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what he's trying to do he's not trying

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to be right he's not trying to predict

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the future he's just trying to make

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money by having a tight stop loss and

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then when the trade Works he let it run

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is that that's certainly one way to do

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it yes is that how you do it that's how

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I try to do it yeah I mean that's what

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my my trades are right less than 40 of

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the time somewhere between 35 and 40

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percent of the time my trades work which

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means I lose over 60 percent of the time

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but my payout is like four to one so

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I'll make four I'll lose one so make

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four lose one make four lose one

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make four thirty five percent of that

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time lose one 65 percent of the time

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do that over time let time pass and

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you're gonna end up with positive

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returns how tight do you run stops so

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it's pretty tight because I I'm getting

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like you take that s p for example trade

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in October at the low my stop would have

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been the lower that day so I know how

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much I'm trying to risk per trade which

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in my case is 70 basis points of trade I

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know my entry I know my stop therefore I

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size my trade so that if I'm stopped I

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lose 70 basis points and I I use 70

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basis points just because that gets me

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to my my Vol Target which is around a

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seven other people have higher of all

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Targets than that so they can risk more

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portrayed but that's how I do it

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basically risking one day's worth of

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volatility Jason what do you make about

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the bank stocks I don't think there's

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Futures on a bank ETF but you know the

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individual Bank stocks they've been

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moving up all day how much you know

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trading pay attention do you pay

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attention to individual stocks and then

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yeah I mean what do you make about the

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bank stocks do you see any opportunities

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there I'm not an equity Trader you're a

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future Trader yeah I don't really know

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what the position in the bank stocks is

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I personally would not be long Bank

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stocks but that doesn't mean that they

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can't go up it's been dead money for a

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very very long time I think Citibank is

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probably trading at the same place it

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was you know 18 years ago or something

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you know it's not where I would be but I

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I'm not informed enough or or smart

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enough to really understand what's going

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on with these Regional Banks

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um I do have a friend a very good friend

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of mine who's a a mortgage broker and

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has been for 30 years and he's all into

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it he tells me I talk to him every

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weekend he tells me every weekend the

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whole story and the whole problem and

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then this and that and the other thing

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and it doesn't sound very good to me but

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I I don't trade him in nor nor would I

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trade them got it so what are you seeing

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in in the markets other than stocks and

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bonds I mean yeah let's oil copper I

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guess you said you're uh you're on the

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dollar short the Euro yes sure yeah why

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is that you tell me well I I'm starting

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to find the chart here but uh look at

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the Euro though commercial index was

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Zero that means the commercials as short

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as they could be large speculators as

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long as they can be small speculators

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just about as long as they can be all

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right and we had that going in I got

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short the year about three weeks ago

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going in to the ECB meeting which was

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more hawkish than people expected legard

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came out and was more hawkish

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Than People expect it which should be

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bullish for the Euro which should be

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bullish for the Euro and it closed down

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that day and that's where I got short

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and if it had taken out that day's high

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or if it still does take out that day's

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High I will get stopped otherwise I will

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ride that Euro short until this data

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goes back to 50. one of those three

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things goes back to 50 which is neutral

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and there I will take my profit

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hopefully got it that that makes sense

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all right so in your uh crowded market

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report you use write that you're not

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ignorant of underlying conditions in the

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world or the market in that you you

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don't disagree with the following points

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an economy on the brink of a major

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slowdown a banking situation that could

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continue to get much uglier government

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running up deficits with no Insight uh

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that the debt ceiling Federal Reserve

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paid into a corner um societal political

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breakdown so all of these points are you

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know medium term long term perhaps a

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little somewhat bearish how do you

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square that with your short-term bullish

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view on on the market and I was being

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nice when I wrote those things I could

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come up with things like hello a lot

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worse than that okay because I don't

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care about that stuff you know

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especially if everybody can see it what

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am I seeing that other people aren't

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seeing and therefore how do you make

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money like if you don't have an edge

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you're not going to make money right

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what's the edge in saying those things

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right now when every single person comes

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on TV and says those things to me

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there's no Edge there right when they

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give up on those ideas there will be an

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edge to those ideas okay but to me

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there's there's there's absolutely no

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Edge there so so I'm not saying I

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disagree with that stuff that's sort of

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the point I'm trying to make I see that

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stuff just as clearly as everybody else

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sees that stuff right but I don't care

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what I care about is everybody's short

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therefore I'm going to be long that

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that's it and does that mean that my

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thing is going to work no I could lose

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money I could get stopped it happens all

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the time right but it's risk reward

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that's all that that's all this game is

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to me and it should be to everybody else

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too risk reward right and I hear people

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talk about risk all the time oh I'm

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buying this thing and to me it's a three

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to one three to one based on what like

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you're just making up some number you

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know I mean like based on what so you

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really have to focus on that this is

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about you're not going to make money by

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out thinking the market over time it's

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impossible you could be the single

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smartest person on earth and Jack you

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might be you went to an Ivy League

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school you might be the smartest person

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on Earth for all I know but what I do

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know what I do know is you are not

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smarter than everybody combined because

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that's impossible okay and market price

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is everybody combined all these millions

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of people that are involved in the

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market and all these trillions and

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trillions of dollars that are invested

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in the market right is all of

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everybody's thought processes combined

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and you are not smarter than that nobody

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is it's impossible Einstein whoever you

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want it to be is not smarter than that

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then everyone combined so you're not

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going to make money playing the game of

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I'm smarter right I know that the

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economy is going to be therefore

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I'm going to be short it's ridiculous

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okay and it's it's just it's bad and

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I've been there okay so I know how

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ridiculous it is because I was

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ridiculous as well and at a certain

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point I decided I would rather start to

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make money than try to prove that I'm

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smart if I want to prove I'm smart I'll

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I'll try to do it some other way you

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know what I mean I'll go and read a

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physics textbook and start doing physics

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or something right I don't care about

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that anymore I just want to make money

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from my clients that that's it so that's

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what you really have to focus on risk

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reward of a trade and how you're going

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to decide what are the risk reward is

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