Integra entrevista GloboNews / Delegado Ramagem (25/01/2024).

Summary

The interview discusses allegations against former director of Brazil's Federal Police, Alexandre Ramagem. It covers use of surveillance tools, claims he helped Bolsonaro family members under investigation, and accusations of parallel intelligence structure. Ramagem denies wrongdoing, stating tools were legally acquired, and audits were done to verify proper use. He claims accusations are by new partisan police against old guard. Regarding Flávio Bolsonaro, he asserts previous probes cleared Federal Police of wrongdoing in providing information.

Takeaways

• 😀 Ramagem states he has old documents and devices from his time at Federal Police, but they are not in use
• 😕 He says Folha de S.Paulo made false accusations against him which he has contested
• 😠 He alleges there is a group within Federal Police trying to falsely incriminate him without evidence
• 😟 He claims the tracking system used was purchased legally before Bolsonaro's term and approved by proper authorities
• 😕 He denies having close ties to Flavio and Renan Bolsonaro beyond professional contacts
• 😠 He states any intelligence work related to Flavio and Renan was routine and procedural
• 😟 He asserts he was unaware of improper tracking of officials like Rodrigo Maia
• 😠 He blames specific Federal Police directors for misuse of tracking tools, whom he referred for investigation
• 🤔 He cannot explain why prosecutor Simone Sibilio's resume was found on Federal Police computers
• 😟 He insists there is no 'parallel Federal Police' but rather typical institutional divisions

Q & A

What documents did Ramagem have from his time at the Brazilian Intelligence Agency (ABIN)?

Ramagem said he had documents from his time managing ABIN on his computer, including records of his oversight activities like ordering audits and reporting issues to authorities.

What explanation did Ramagem give for having old ABIN phones and laptops?

Ramagem said the old devices were unused for years and just stored in a corner. He thought they were old equipment he had a right to keep, not realizing they still belonged to ABIN.

How did Ramagem justify the intelligence system purchased by ABIN?

Ramagem said the system was legally purchased in 2018 with approval from Brazil's Attorney General's Office and auditors. He claimed it was just for coarse location tracking, not invasive surveillance.

What does Ramagem say about allegations he helped the Bolsonaro family?

Ramagem denies actively helping Flavio or Renan Bolsonaro. He says ABIN merely located Renan's car and allegations about Flavio were disproven. He lacks close ties to them.

How does Ramagem explain the monitoring of politicians revealed by the federal police?

Ramagem claims ignorance. He says departments operated independently and he ordered an audit when the department refused to explain their surveillance methods.

What does Ramagem think about allegations of a 'parallel ABIN'?

Ramagem rejects this idea. He says the system was legally purchased by the real ABIN, though its use needs oversight. He views it as a smear campaign.

Why does Ramagem believe he is being targeted?

Ramagem feels a faction within the federal police that opposes Bolsonaro is manufacturing a case against him without evidence, enlisting prosecutors and judges.

How does Ramagem justify looking into the Marielle Franco prosecutor?

Ramagem claims no knowledge. He speculates an agent improperly uploaded her resume as idle intelligence gathering without an orders.

What reforms was Ramagem trying to make at ABIN?

Ramagem says he was trying to increase oversight on surveillance tools by requiring clear orders and documentation tied to investigations.

What is Ramagem's view of the current federal police?

Ramagem paints them as a political arm of the government engaged in persecution, unlike the 'glorious old federal police' focused on real law enforcement.