RULE ZERO: The Over Intellectualization of Intersexual Dynamics
Summary
TLDRIn this spirited discussion, the panel delves into the complexities of dating dynamics, critiquing the over-reliance on statistics and advocating for real-world experiences. They argue that personal merit and self-improvement are paramount, dismissing the idea of 'sexual communism' and emphasizing the importance of individual agency. The conversation navigates the pitfalls of online dating, the value of physical attraction, and the stark realities of long-term relationship success rates, ultimately urging men to focus on personal development over obsessing over data.
Takeaways
- 😀 The importance of personal experiences over relying solely on statistics and data in understanding dating dynamics was emphasized.
- 😎 The discussion highlighted the potential bias in social science statistics and the necessity of trusting the integrity of the person presenting the data.
- 🤔 The participants agreed that while statistics can be valuable, they should not replace personal interactions and experiences, especially in dating.
- 👀 It was noted that some individuals may use statistics as a buffer against real-world interactions, avoiding the potential for rejection or the need to engage actively in social situations.
- 📉 There was criticism of those who moralize statistics, particularly in the context of dating and relationships, using them to impose their views on others.
- 💡 The conversation suggested that focusing on personal development and self-improvement is more beneficial than obsessing over statistics in dating.
- 🚀 The panelists shared their views on the ineffectiveness of expecting societal change and instead advocated for individual action and self-reliance.
- 👨🏫 There was a call for men to take responsibility for their dating lives, rather than seeking external validation or blaming others for their outcomes.
- 🧠 The discussion touched on the potential for over-intellectualizing aspects of dating and relationships, which can lead to paralysis by analysis.
- 💰 A point was made about the potential financial motivations behind certain individuals or groups promoting specific views or statistics related to dating.
- 🎯 The final takeaway was the value of direct experience and action over passive consumption of information, particularly for young men navigating the dating world.
Q & A
What is the main issue discussed in the script regarding the use of statistics in understanding dating dynamics?
-The main issue discussed is the over-reliance on statistics, charts, and data in understanding dating dynamics, rather than personal experiences and interactions, which can lead to misinterpretations and incorrect conclusions about human behavior.
What does the panel suggest is a common mistake made by those who heavily rely on statistics in dating advice?
-The panel suggests that a common mistake is the failure to consider personal experiences and the complexity of human emotions and interactions, leading to an oversimplification of dating dynamics and potentially harmful advice.
What is the 'red pill' philosophy mentioned in the script, and how does it relate to the discussion?
-The 'red pill' philosophy refers to a set of beliefs that emphasize traditional gender roles and can be critical of modern dating practices. It relates to the discussion as it promotes learning from real-life experiences rather than relying solely on statistical analysis.
How does the script address the idea of moral judgments in the context of dating advice?
-The script criticizes the tendency to moralize dating advice based on statistics, arguing that it can lead to misguided advice and a lack of personal responsibility. It emphasizes the importance of personal agency and choice in dating.
What is the panel's view on the role of personal experience in understanding dating dynamics?
-The panel believes that personal experience plays a crucial role in understanding dating dynamics, as it provides a more nuanced and realistic perspective that cannot be captured by statistics alone.
What is the potential danger of relying solely on statistics for dating advice, as discussed in the script?
-The potential danger is that it can lead to a distorted view of reality, where individuals may make decisions based on flawed or incomplete data, rather than on a comprehensive understanding of human behavior and emotions.
How does the script relate the discussion of statistics in dating to broader societal issues?
-The script suggests that the over-intellectualization of dating dynamics reflects broader societal trends, such as the increasing reliance on data and the loss of personal agency, which can have negative consequences for individual relationships and societal norms.
What is the panel's stance on the use of statistics in social sciences and other fields?
-The panel expresses skepticism about the use of statistics in social sciences and other fields, arguing that they can be manipulated to support various narratives and biases, and that they should be approached with caution.
How does the script differentiate between useful and harmful uses of statistics in dating advice?
-The script differentiates by stating that statistics can be useful for confirming real-world experiences but can be harmful when used to dictate moral judgments or to oversimplify complex human interactions.
What advice does the panel offer to young men regarding dating and the use of statistics?
-The panel advises young men to focus on personal experiences and self-improvement rather than relying solely on statistics. They should understand that dating is a personal journey that requires effort, resilience, and the ability to navigate emotions and social interactions.
Outlines
😀 Satirical Take on Government Dependency and Democrat Allegiance
The paragraph opens with a satirical confession of living off government support and a surprise revelation of being a Democrat. It humorously suggests that brain surgery is required to become a Democrat and describes a surreal experience of waking up from surgery to Joe Biden's presence. The narrative then shifts to a discussion about the red pill community, highlighting the over-reliance on data and charts versus personal experiences in understanding intersexual dynamics. It critiques the intellectualization of these dynamics and the tendency for debates to devolve into a comparison of statistics, urging a return to practical experiences and lessons learned from real-life interactions.
😠 Critique of Moralizing in Dating Dynamics
This paragraph delves into the issue of moralizing in the context of dating and relationships. It criticizes individuals who use their dating success to propagate a narrative that such behavior is detrimental to society, specifically marriage and family structures. The speaker argues against the notion that men who can attract multiple women are responsible for societal decay, emphasizing the agency women have in choosing their relationships. The paragraph underscores the importance of personal responsibility and the dangers of attributing societal issues to a small group of successful men, advocating for a more nuanced understanding of dating dynamics.
🤔 The Role of Statistics in Understanding Relationships
The focus of this paragraph is the debate over the value of statistics in understanding social and relationship dynamics. It contrasts the trustworthiness of statistics with the potential bias of those who create them, suggesting that while numbers can be informative, they must be considered in the context of the researcher's objectivity. The speaker advocates for a balanced approach, valuing both statistical data and personal experiences, and criticizes those who rely solely on numbers while dismissing the emotional and experiential aspects of human interaction.
😡 The Problem with Over-Intellectualizing and the Need for Action
This paragraph addresses the issue of over-intellectualizing in the context of the red pill community and personal development. It criticizes those who prefer to analyze and discuss theories rather than taking action to improve their lives. The speaker emphasizes the importance of personal agency and the power of individual choice, arguing that success in dating and life comes from taking initiative and making changes rather than passively consuming information or waiting for external circumstances to align.
😤 The Paradox of Inaction Despite Knowledge
The paragraph discusses the paradox of individuals who possess knowledge and understanding of concepts such as the red pill philosophy but fail to apply this knowledge in their lives. It highlights the tendency of some to focus on theoretical aspects and become overly analytical, which can lead to inaction. The speaker argues that true understanding comes from practical application and personal experience, and that the value of knowledge is in its use to effect positive change in one's life.
😐 The Misconception of Effortless Success
This paragraph challenges the misconception that success, particularly in relationships, can be achieved without effort. It emphasizes the need for personal development, hard work, and the willingness to face rejection and failure as part of the journey to success. The speaker criticizes those who seek shortcuts or magical solutions, asserting that genuine achievement comes from dedication and persistent effort, not from superficial tactics or avoidance of challenges.
😒 The Fallacy of Expecting Perfection in Relationships
The paragraph explores the unrealistic expectations some people have regarding relationships and the dangers of seeking perfection. It discusses the importance of understanding that all relationships require effort and maintenance, and that the idea of a 'perfect match' is often a myth. The speaker encourages a more grounded approach to relationships, one that acknowledges the complexities and challenges inherent in any partnership, and the need for continuous work and communication to sustain a healthy bond.
😅 The Irony of Virtue Signaling and the Importance of Authenticity
This paragraph highlights the irony of virtue signaling in the context of personal development and relationship advice. It discusses how some individuals may present themselves as paragons of virtue or success, only to reveal their own insecurities or hypocrisies. The speaker emphasizes the importance of authenticity and genuine self-improvement, rather than projecting an idealized image or adhering to societal expectations for the sake of appearances.
😡 The Manipulation of Statistics and the Importance of Skepticism
The paragraph addresses the manipulation of statistics and the potential for bias in research, particularly in the field of social sciences. It encourages skepticism and critical thinking when evaluating studies and data, warning against the acceptance of information at face value. The speaker stresses the need to understand the methodology and potential biases behind research, and to consider one's own perspectives and experiences when interpreting statistical findings.
😏 The Role of Personal Experience in Shaping Understanding
This paragraph emphasizes the importance of personal experience in shaping one's understanding of the world, particularly in the context of relationships and social dynamics. It argues that firsthand experience offers insights that cannot be gained through theoretical knowledge alone. The speaker encourages individuals to trust their own experiences and observations, suggesting that this approach leads to a more nuanced and accurate understanding of complex social phenomena.
😌 The Importance of Discretion and the Impact of Social Perception
The paragraph discusses the significance of discretion in relationships and the potential consequences of one's actions on social perception. It highlights the importance of being mindful of how one's behavior may be perceived by others and the potential for reputational damage. The speaker suggests that maintaining a sense of discretion and respect in one's personal life can help avoid negative social repercussions and protect one's standing in the community.
😒 The Misinterpretation of Research and the Need for Practical Application
This paragraph addresses the common misinterpretation of research findings, particularly in the field of human behavior and relationships. It criticizes the tendency to rely on theoretical knowledge without applying it practically in real-life situations. The speaker advocates for a balanced approach that combines research with practical experience, emphasizing the need to test and validate theories through real-world interactions and observations.
😡 The Overemphasis on Analysis and the Neglect of Real-World Experience
The paragraph criticizes the overemphasis on analysis and intellectualization in understanding relationships and human behavior. It argues that excessive analysis can lead to a disconnect from real-world experiences and a lack of practical understanding. The speaker encourages individuals to engage in real-life experiences and interactions, suggesting that this approach provides a more accurate and meaningful understanding of human dynamics than purely analytical methods.
😤 The Challenge of Updating Worldviews and the Influence of Ego
This paragraph explores the difficulty individuals face when updating their worldviews in light of new information or research. It discusses the role of ego in reinforcing existing beliefs and the resistance to change, even when confronted with compelling evidence. The speaker emphasizes the importance of being open to new ideas and willing to revise one's understanding in the face of new data or perspectives.
😐 The Neurochemical Differences in Male and Female Attraction
The paragraph delves into the neurochemical differences between males and females in the context of attraction and relationships. It highlights the distinct hormonal and neurotransmitter profiles that influence how men and women experience love and attachment. The speaker discusses the role of oxytocin and vasopressin in relationship dynamics, emphasizing the unique ways in which these chemicals affect men and women differently.
😔 The Reality of Relationship Statistics and the Challenge of Long-Term Compatibility
This paragraph presents the harsh reality of relationship statistics, revealing that a significant majority of relationships do not result in long-term happiness or success. It discusses the high rates of breakups and divorces, even among relationships that endure beyond the initial honeymoon phase. The speaker encourages individuals to approach relationships with realistic expectations and to focus on personal growth and compatibility rather than the idealized notion of a 'forever person'.
😒 The Illusion of Natural Long-Term Relationships and the Importance of Effort
The paragraph challenges the notion that long-term relationships occur naturally and without effort. It argues that the idea of finding a perfect partner and maintaining a successful relationship is not a guaranteed outcome but rather requires continuous work and dedication from both parties. The speaker emphasizes the importance of recognizing the need for effort in sustaining a relationship and the potential pitfalls of expecting an effortless, permanent bond.
😅 The Irrelevance of Checklists and the Power of Emotional Connection
This paragraph discusses the common practice of creating checklists for ideal partners and the limitations.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Red Pill
💡Intersexual Dynamics
💡Over-Intellectualization
💡Moralizing
💡H Maath
💡Dataism
💡Nuke
💡Social Sciences
💡Personal Agency
💡Virtue Signaling
💡Tinder
Highlights
The discussion emphasizes the importance of personal experience over relying solely on statistics and data in understanding dating dynamics.
It is suggested that over-intellectualization can lead to inaction, with individuals preferring to analyze rather than engage in real-world dating experiences.
The panelists argue that personal agency and taking action are more critical than adhering to moral judgments or societal expectations in dating.
The conversation highlights the potential for statistics to be manipulated to fit personal biases or political motivations.
Experience in dating is valued over theoretical knowledge, as it provides a more accurate understanding of interpersonal relationships.
The discussion critiques the tendency to moralize dating strategies and behaviors, advocating for a more neutral and experience-based perspective.
The panelists share their views on the impact of societal and media influences on dating preferences and behaviors.
The importance of self-improvement and personal development is underscored as a means to enhance one's dating life.
The conversation points out the discrepancy between online personas and real-life actions, especially regarding dating advice and personal relationships.
The panelists discuss the challenges of navigating the dating world with changing societal norms and the influence of technology.
The discussion highlights the potential for individuals to misinterpret or misuse statistical data in the context of dating and relationships.
The conversation emphasizes the need for individuals to form their own opinions and strategies based on personal experiences rather than relying on external validation.
The panelists share anecdotes and personal experiences to illustrate the complexities of dating dynamics that cannot be captured by statistics alone.
The discussion concludes with a call to action for individuals to engage in real-world dating experiences rather than becoming overly fixated on theoretical analysis.
Transcripts
so none of us actually make money we
just kind of live off the government
that's the big secret here Kathy taught
us the way I Tau I secretly I'm a
Democrat this entire time and I have
eight baby
mamas and they made me get brain surgery
so I could be a Democrat too yes yes you
actually need to get brain surgery at
this point to become that like it's
pretty insane oh it's crazy man when I
wake up from the surgery table I could
see was rainbows man it was freaking
wonderful all of a sudden Joe Biden
comes down to say Thor it's like Joe
what are you doing stop sniffing that
was great guys don't slam it I mean
experi it there are people that are
gonna nullify my vote and vote for
Camala just that's that's the world we
live in I've been living in that world
since I've been voting I am being I am
being entered into a world where people
prefer Cala over literally a rock I will
vote a rock before
Kamala but uh hey guys how are you guys
doing today we are here gathered today
on this beautiful Saturday to talk about
something that is going on in this uh
red pill prology the the space where
we and man and why they do the things
they do it is uh the
o f n I love nuke internet I love his
internet think I give starlink is it
worse than mine yeah W look at that
nuke's back where he's at I'm sure
there's plenty of outages I'm back he's
back anyways we're here to discuss the
intelle intellectual
intellectualization of intersexual
Dynamics meaning people are using are
depending too much on charts information
data and and books and not uh on their
own experiences and experiences of other
men who go through the same things they
do which is what the red pillows based
on um and the inspiration for this was
seeing uh one of the most one of the
more viral content creators uh H maath
and you know the debates that uh red
pill concert graders do and it always
boils down to my numbers are better than
your numbers and this is why and the big
component here is
that even you guys in the chat like a
lot of you guys probably have more
experience than a lot of these dating
gurus or dating scientific researchers
right because you've actually gone out
and talked to women you've actually gone
out there you got your heartbroken you
got hurt you've hurt women too you
learned the game right and that that's
part of life right so uh that's where
that inspiration for today's show come
is is coming from now are all stats bad
let's go to let's start with Kappy Kappy
are our stats all bad can we trust them
I know in economics that's basically
your job is to look at the numbers and
come to a conclusion but are all stats
bad it's not the stats it's to the
people can you hear me all right am I
coming in all right okay yeah it's it's
the person uh you're trus in who came up
with the statistics for example I'd say
nearly all of the social sciences and
liberal uh Arts Fields uh you could say
95% of it is is [ __ ] because the
people have a political motivation uh
most economists most journalists uh you
can I could create whatever narrative
you would like with Statistics so it's
whether you trust the person or not but
if you have an intellectually honest
person who has no political bias and
just wants to go and get the numbers and
the statistics uh you can trust them as
good the statistics are a lot of the
data I collect it's the best
available um we don't always get the
type of Statistics you like but assuming
there's no bias and the methodology and
the the numbers uh accurately reflect
reality as much as possible yes then not
only can you trust it that's the only
thing you can trust because there's no
better data so I will always take just
in general statistics and numbers over
people's rationalizations or theories or
flawed logic because it's usually
impaired by emotion uh I will always
take numbers uh over people's opinions
simply because that is an actual attempt
to measure what is happening in reality
so I and just I like H Math's approach
because it's logical and numerical uh
but yeah I I don't have time for
sophistry I only have time for facts and
numbers good for you that's awesome love
that good night everybody let's go
hiking okay the biggest problem with HTH
is that he uses his numbers and theories
to then moralize everything if you read
the Tweet where this whole show was
about well he doesn't use numbers what
he does he just he
compartmentalizes a lot of stuff that
guys in the red have been talking about
for a long time puas um I don't think he
uses num so much as more as hey this is
a phenomenon I'm going to put it in this
box I'm going to put a little you know a
little descriptor draw do a drawing
and then go well and what what he does
then is then he starts to moralize with
the type of men who can attract multiple
women at once are heavily responsible
for the decay of marriage and families
through wasting women's time with
selfish games it's like broheim do it
does thou have agency yes or no it's
always comes down to like guys are
wasting women's time like no women want
to waste their time with these men all
those girls Caprio is dating it's like
they want to be with him until they're
25 all the girls nuke I Cappy Thor Hawk
have dated who were in their early 20s
they wanted to spend their time with us
we didn't like I was honest like right
off the bat where it's like I don't want
a relationship right now back at the day
uh this is only going to go this way and
no other way you are free to leave and
they didn't now who's wasting whose time
here nobody was all free will they
wanted it I wanted it we both were
consenting adults who knew what they
were up to yet here he is seeing the
phenomenon it's like well you shouldn't
do that that horrible world again
shouldn't a really good point and and
because I've kind of watched him and
others been in the space for a while of
course guys and um he does some really
good work but he leans into that moral
that morality with the red pill thing
which I've seen so many guys do man they
come in here they learn the basic
information that for some reason or
other they try to moralize and
integrated into a larger picture and
broadcast that out is it just so that
they can get views is it because it's
Sensational or is it something they
believe in their heart of hearts this
should be uh moralized somehow when at
least Us in the red pill we really try
to stay away from those moral judgments
and let the user decide what's right and
what's wrong so I do see your point Jack
I think it's a really valid point and I
don't think H maath is um isolated here
I think there's plenty of guys that jump
into this space that end up doing
that yeah if you can figure out how to
get men to stop accepting these
opportunities it's like no how about we
teach men how to get more of these
opportunities so they can actually live
a happy life yes so our main complaint
about home maath here is not necessarily
his diagnosis it's the prescription or
maybe even the fact that prescriptions
are offered as opposed to letting each
man take a look at the diagnosis and the
research and the data uh and that there
should be no recommendation which I'm
not necessarily against that that
because he's saying what it's now men's
fault that was the main contentious
issue um well it's it's it's always the
hey men man up yeah got a deal you never
see this argument coming from guys who
were actually successful uh or like spin
plates have multiple dates with multiple
girls have multiple relationships
actually see the side of uh this current
dating Marketplace everyone is working
their way through I mean this always
comes from guys who quite frankly just
don't know what they're talking about I
mean if you actually get get down to it
get down into the trenches you see some
of the [ __ ] up decisions that women
make and some of the futile attempts
that guys make particularly when they're
first starting off in this space to try
and correct women's behavior and you
kind of just realize yeah I'm I'm a
little bit powerless against the whole
uh media atmosphere the whole government
everybody who's telling women to go and
live a certain way it's like what are
you gonna do man they're going to make
some stupid
decisions hey I think you hit it yeah
that might be feel a powerlessness
therefore you can moralize and lash out
on some of these truths that we put out
there that might be it but it's also
always men it's always men's fault it's
always men who need to fix it it's so
men who caused it it's like no does thou
have agency yay or nay like either women
are equal or they're not you can't have
one of the other well now we can in this
Society but this small small percentage
of men how much ever it is however much
it is the top 20% they are not the cause
of the decline of marriage like Nuke
remember what you said before we went
live if women wanted a
relationship they would be in a
relationship no ifs and or butts that's
it simple law rues Supreme yeah there is
thing is is the absurdity and how how
realistic is it to tell a guy who is a
top 5% in keeping say five or 10 women
off the market from other men because
girls are all chasing after why why
would he give that up why should he give
that up uh also in his defense he must
have worked very hard to get to where he
is to be in that top Echelon of men uh
but you know morality aside uh he's not
going to give up a Herm why would a guy
I did didn't I remember I was like you
know Peak and I dancing and all that
dude yeah I was dating about five girls
and a friend of mine good guy uh he's
like dude like how is there a girl you
haven't slept with here and I'm like
well yeah there that one over there and
that one no no no no no like one that
I'm interested in I'm like not really no
and but it it was you were we were
keeping them off the market Aaron be
charitable and let let us have a shot no
uh one they're not really that
interested and they're going to choose
what they're going to choose but no I'm
not going to give the [ __ ] up I I
[ __ ] work hard for it so I I don't
know Jack's right people are making
choices and but the the idea of should
that the the the discussion of should
should not be in the conversation that's
why I Shar is a Karen right no but
that's why I keep saying I keep saying
change the word should into could you
could get married you could not choose
like multiple women at the same time
whatever but do you want to do you want
to really
Oar you know uh the other thing that
goes on with this when you uh start to
become successful and go through that
Paro distribution that Everyone likes to
talk about in these spaces and such like
that it's not just that you notice the
changes of uh women and such you also
notice the changes of men and what I
mean by this is um you see this all the
time like with these uh guys at the
bottom so to speak where they want to
have like all the men get together and
all the men rise up and everything like
this there's this absolutely [ __ ]
fantastic tweet it was either by zero HP
love crafter kof and on and they said
and I quote um if you think women are
the main problem in sexual discourse
you're not sexist enough
and love that tweet because it just
points out right away that the biggest
problem actually is dudes just not doing
anything with themselves that's the
[ __ ] problem all right you can't
expect other guys to sacrifice the stuff
that they've worked hard for to help
some Joe Schmo who's 300 pound
overweight and can't even look at his
dick in the mirror all right that is the
[ __ ] problem or socially awkward like
I I like to like you you refuse to go
out and talk to people and that's
somehow my fault dude like I don't
[ __ ] get it like that's not my
problem these D these guys are expecting
other successful guys sexual communism
yeah exactly yeah like dude you got to
get yours and it's like no all I got to
say is uh there is no feeling of a guy
then a guy KN realizing he has agency in
his dating life and then like finally
understanding like hey it's on you and
you have the power to change things like
you crying about it is not going to get
you anywhere because like I I like I'll
tell the insult guys like hey around 40
it drops off most people lose their
virginity or have sex by 40 like you
most people you will have sex at some
point even by accident you will have sex
when you go when you look back when you
finally have it you're going to look
back and be like wow it was that simple
I wasted all those years making it
harder than it really was and I wasted
all that time now and that's depressing
because you just you you resign yourself
to being incompetent and you know that's
what you get yeah it's hard until it's
not yeah um to bring it back to like the
statistics and over intellectual
intellectualizing um The Red Pill
um there is this you know I've been
criticized too for going after this
whole math guy right um and you know me
on the you know me on tter I'm very I'm
kind of brutal when it comes to
criticizing people but I do it for a
reason um and the reason is that this is
a battlefield of ideas right if you're
GNA come here and try to make money uh
and try to stick your flag in the ground
like I I know everything listen to me
because I have the moral key to help
Society become better you're gonna
people are gonna push back right and my
my criticism was this um you you're
helping a lot of people so and a lot of
people say they helped me right but how
many people actually taking those charts
and using them and improve improving
their lives and going out to talk to
women think about that for a second
right like one of the coolest things
about the red pill that I like is that
we don't we say hey here's the
information I don't give a [ __ ] what you
do with it I'm not your father I'm not
here to Hold Your Hand you are a man
like we're not in this together and a
lot of guys get offended by that and
they're like yeah this is not a
Brotherhood you know your brotherhood's
in real life like your people you work
with the people you love and care about
not some guy named nuke on the internet
who doesn't even know who you are now
why is it why is that a a problem let's
start with Thor why is it that guys come
to the red pill and get mad that we just
say hey this isn't about a Brotherhood
it's about taking action leave us out of
it this is about
you you're muted
Thor well Cathy stated it once again
there's an inherent laziness and we've
all been trained excuse me that uh life
is supposed to be fair by all our
mommies you know everything's supposed
to be equal we all get a participation
trophy so it's hard to improve yourself
and make yourself competitive in the
sexual Marketplace so I think that's a
big factor for sure when they come to
this space most of the guys come to this
space because their failures the trauma
that they've had with women in
relationships so and then to come to
find out that what's what people have
told you about relationships is kind of
wrong you know it's kind of wrong about
how women actually are they conceal it
they sugar and spice and everything nice
and us guys or or something else and
this is kind of Universal at least
across the west and then you find out
that's not actually true they're just
human like everybody else and they have
these instincts and drives that make
them something different than we idolize
them for so they come into this space
and they're pretty angry about it
because who likes to be lied to
particularly social
or in some ways that affect your life
and then find out it's all wrong it's
like a giant conspiracy that crashed
down on your head that's why we call it
the red bill it's like the matrix it's
like having this Veil lifted from your
eyes of this wonderful Disney life where
you have a pick a fence somebody's
picked out for you it's predestined and
you'll gain oneitis and everything will
be happy from now on and you pass
through this Veil and it's all wrong
you're actually in this crazy Purgatory
where everything's different so guys get
pretty angry here in the space yeah Jack
I have a question for you um so people
like these charts they like these stats
they like to they like anything that
supports the Doom and Gloom like hey if
you know all that obviously I like to
use stats in order to come to a
conclusion and then use my own
experiences to come to my own conclusion
yes but let's say people will be like
okay here's a Tik Tok video of some
chick we all know that all Tik toks are
contrived and they're all you know FG
right they're all fgr like John pitch
says fgr uh
so these guys watch these Tik toks and
then they they find this chart right
like oh wow everything's laid out this
is helping me so much why is it that
guys that refuse to go out and talk to
women and at least form their own
opinion and forget about
compartmentalizing every part of human
behavior why do they like these charts
why do the guys that focus on in are
inactive they don't take action love
science and charts and all that St
because it's easier it's a buffer they
don't get rejected they don't need to
get out there they don't need to put in
the
work yes they don't need to like and
this is what I meant during Ryan's Show
when he mentioned five by five and I
said like look um 5 by5 is the most
simplest program yet guys can't even do
that it's like they can't do it because
they don't want to I have I have
introduced that program to so many guys
and they were like yeah no I'm going to
the machines first and I'm going to
train arms first and blah blah blah it's
like you ask me what a good starting
program is yet here you are and you
can't even do that you can't even follow
the most basic principles of
weightlifting why because like do you
really want it no you don't so they
focus on these charts they focus on all
these weird other things to just be able
to tell themselves oh no I don't have to
because this chart said this and I
remember years ago with Rob I used to
call him non- [ __ ] because that's the
mentality why wipe your ass if it gets
dirty again anyway that's the mentality
they
have yeah it it's like they're above it
like oh uh dating is immoral so I'm not
going to participate in I'm like no dude
you're just afraid of rejection it
always dude you nailed it they're
cowards and they're lazy and dude I had
to stop I did an epic rip apart the how
do I get the girls because it's always
some [ __ ] nerds some [ __ ] no
offense stem it computer science types
who want to break it down into a simple
formula and the simple formula never
involves working out at the gym
expending calories of energy working
hard and getting your ass shot down 80%
of the time they're just little [ __ ]
who don't want to work and they're
looking for the magic form literally
looking for magic if I have my my my
cuff links this way and I comb my hair
that way and if I wear wear the right
type of clothes then peen get touched it
is always just they they think there's
just some kind of magic words to utter
and then they get laid when in reality
they are weak and cowardly men who don't
want to go to the gym and get shot down
that's it and you come to that
crossroads where here's the red pill and
this applies to anything in life does
anything in life that's good and
worthwhile come with no effort no no you
have to whether it's a career whether
it's physical gains whether it's women
you must put in the effort to have some
kind of success and these cowardly
little snively pieces of [ __ ] all the
what about this what about this like
girls putting on weaves and nails and
heels but they're fat [ __ ] right off and
it's it's so hypocritical when these
people because I I have the numbers and
the statistics and it's very dire it's
very much an up pill battle that much is
fact that much is true but they always
then use it as an excuse so you got
basically three options you can complain
and hate on women and how unfair it is
that's not going to lead to success you
could say you could do an actual cost
benefit analysis say oh [ __ ] this my
life ain't wored this and you actually
go your own way and you stop complaining
about women forever again and the the
second one is you get off your ass you
put in the work to become a top tier guy
and you have success with women those
are the only three options
options that's all I was gon say Dam
damn near damn near 90% are going to
complain or kind of actually go there
which would be more intellectually
honest but there's a 10% of guys like
yeah I'm going to do it and that's why
you're looking at 10% or 5% of the guys
getting all the girls because there's so
few men willing to put in the work yeah
um I I think it just boils down to that
like all these stats like uh you you see
these red pill debates right and God
bless Rolo for doing them but it all it
all it all boils down to the afraid of
rejection it's all that like uh men will
be like Tinder sucks well like Tinder is
a buffer against rejection because
you're not facing a woman and a woman's
not telling you no right it's just a
swipe left or a swipe right you know um
Tinder sucks because you're not living
in the moment and and getting and
talking to him obviously it's a tool
right use it wisely but it everything in
life you you can't just chart your way
through life with grabs and so you can
get the perfect outcome you're going to
eventually have to use your own
instincts as a man that the ones that
millions of years of evolution gave you
or if you believe in God that God gave
you um those are your what you're going
to have to go off sometimes and it's
scary like there are times where I'm in
situations where I don't know what to do
and I just say well that my gut feeling
tells me this and I'm gonna do it and
guys they want the perfect answer they
want they want the chart they want to
okay a girl said this let me go to my
chart
I'm at I'm at corner five uh 5e 5e
states that I'm a sleeper meaning that
um I'm just a guy she's not that into it
could also be the the other thing is
they approach it like it's software or a
flowchart and it's it's inhumane like
you have to develop a personality too
you must be Charming you must be witty
and it you got to be playful so if a
girl does that you don't have time to
consult the chart or run through your
algorithm you got to be on the Fly and
just kind of like oh Zing come up with a
pretty good liner be charming and funny
and flirtatious but these guys they just
they just don't want to do it I I can
appreciate where HTH comes in and
there's like logic it explains behavior
and it gets rid of all the static and
the background noise allowing you to
focus in but once you get rid of all the
the the um I guess you would call them
the bricks okay we figured out the
Bricks now you need some mortar man you
got to have that human interaction to
keep it together and actually build
yourself a wall and they just they want
everything to be bricks and no Humanity
no Pace no nothing it just doesn't work
that way it's ultimately because they're
lazy that's a really good point Cappy
because um you find with a lot of these
same guys they'll go and watch somebody
like uh I don't know we'll give an
example like Troy or something who goes
and does uh infields and such and they
just memorize a script and then you have
a problem when you actually get out in
the real world and you're caught like a
deer in the headlights when the chick
goes off script and you're like okay
well now what the [ __ ] am I going to do
you can't just sit down and
intellectualize uh everything you have
to actually go out there and experience
it for yourself and everybody on this
panel their game is going to be
different my game is gonna be different
from nukes it's different from Cappy
Jack knows do I mean [ __ ] we did six
hours of pickup together last year when
I
went remember those girls oh we don't
speak English it's like well improvised
adap and
overcome next that's a [ __ ] test what
well I'd like to point out for a while
but it was just so much fun I I think we
all agree we hate Troy right he's just
spectacularly handsome and he's got his
[ __ ] British
accent I think we all Troy I think
that's a safe
assumption for show really
gooders despite our intense hatred of
Troy uh the man actually has a
personality is charming as [ __ ] that's
not an act he can come up with that
stuff on the fly now he put effort into
it but the man actually is charismatic
and Charming it's part of his
personality
you have to develop that and that takes
work and I mean at at this it really is
the difference between look do you want
to go and chat up a girl and be fun and
flirtatious and get to know her or do
you just want to pay for it because if
you're that methodical and you're that
mathematical we just go and pay for it
which I'm not I'm not against it's just
di know what you're trying to do do you
want to seduce a woman or do you just
want to get laid and then in that
without putting any seduction into it
well then go pay for it because it's a
much more direct throut to what you're
capable of yeah uh what percentage of
all these these guys that are in love
with stats and like to like you know
like hypergamy doesn't exist or uh
whatever chart and all that stuff what
percentage do you think of these guys
are just actually neurotic like they are
all of them like 70
80% Thor you were gonna say something
yeah they all had that one of one of the
nice things about home I'm gonna say
something nice about it is he as a
creative has been able to you know
basically take the crazy hot Matrix you
guys are all familiar with that and
expand that include female cognitive
dissonance you desire you know how red
peel has identified
behaviors uh and put that into something
that's kind of entertaining and it
sounds real logical and sounds really
precise I mean he goes these gals about
their uh wants their desires you know
what they want for a husband I think
that's pretty creative how much of it is
backed up by statistics well he does
have some statistics from the tender
stuff that was very revealing to all of
us all of us spent some time because it
kind of opened everybody's eyes that had
been in the Pua Community for a while
and kind of realized exchanging notes
that this was going on and when we got
that stuff out of Tinder oh yeah we can
see this actually does exist and that
was really interesting I think he
capitalized on it and I think he's
actually been good for our community but
he didn't even get that like that came
from
dataism right dataism and there's
another one can't remember yeah I mean
he goes into that he talks about the
gals with the Apex valy all valid stuff
that comes from the red Bel right you
know um well what Thor is actually
pointing out here is what stats are
actually useful for they're useful for
actually confirming things that people
witness out in the real world from real
experiences you can't build your opinion
off of stats stats are there to confirm
the opinions you actually go out and
test and find in the real world which is
where in which you can expand those you
know and experiment with them socially
to to prove them like we do when we
exchange notes it's kind of useful there
but like Cappy says these stats I mean
I'll tell you a story guys when I work
in Corporate America we used to I used
to project manager as a PMP at some time
we would have these programs we would
sell to Executives very much like you
know selling sex or selling a program or
a course to somebody we'd sell it to the
executives and then as the project
managers and integrators we would create
a set of goals and stats do you think we
ever failed when we did a pilot
program when we measured our own
statistics did we ever
fail no because there was always money
to be made so closest
time what I'm saying is you can use
these stats to your advantage or
disadvantage like Cappy said it really
is just it tells a story but what story
you want it to tell depends on your
point of view and your bias so what
you're saying is if we just get men to
get paid for dating we'd have more
marriage we get paid we found the
problem we found the answer government
needs to pay men to get married well
there and then there's uh like Thor I
think you're alluding to it there's guys
that and red hawk too there's guys that
uh it's stats for first and that's a way
of them I think it's an ego thing like
for example you have dat the DAT weirdo
where he says yeah the GD yeah he said
something incredibly that I that I
completely there's no way this guy
should be you know doing this job right
he said that you know you should wait
three weeks like most men wait three
weeks or you should wait three weeks
before you get a girl's number to
what
hour right and you see part of the stats
and information science guys there's an
extreme projection there yeah right
whereas guys that are on the field right
I I'm slowly leaving the field but like
for my my little dating St I had in
Dallas for three years I I learned that
you don't have time to like wait three
weeks for a young hot chick you know
there's too many distractions in life
for a young hot chick and when he said
that I'm just like dude where are you
like are you are you only interacting
with women in a classroom where you see
each other for a whole semester or
something and stuff like that you can
tell like there's a little bit of
projection and maybe even jealousy
because guys that get it guys that
understand that women don't care about
stats women don't care about the future
of the West women just want to have fun
and the younger yeah the younger they
are the more they want to have fun older
women obviously they have different
priorities but the women that we like us
Savages um we like we want they just
want to have fun right so a secret those
guilts want to have fun too
you know what let's change it all women
want to have fun all women want to have
fun they never grow out of it they just
get bitter because guys don't want to
have fun with them as much as it's like
it's like that Ryan quote he's like what
do women want
more exactly so always more yeah um and
it like you could see with and it's not
only like like uh you could see people
with these like uh careers based on
science and relationship like s Dr Sadia
Khan um where she says women are like
this and the whole time she's just
describing herself as being the perfect
women that's and you guys don't see that
just like wow she's saying exactly what
I want to hear as a guy she's playing to
my inability to get women I love her she
we need to protect her at all cost I'm
just like guys guys she is trying to get
a husband or she's trying to make her uh
her reputation look she is planting her
flag on the ground saying I am the right
woman you see this me if more women were
like me all of you would be more happy
and guys don't see it they're like
getting manipulated and then you have it
yeah and then uh you have Legacy guys
that are very well respected in the
space like Dr David bus where at first
he's saying all these like tough
realities about men and women even in a
comical way right and then now they're
just like they get you know gy centrism
their jobs are on the line they have to
kind of plate women in uh in these
fields and then the the message gets
muddy and that's why stats and science
around this stuff is so dangerous
because at the end of the day they're
trying to make you the man the arena
like Teddy Rosevelt said look look crazy
for you noticing something in your own
life and they're like no my numbers say
this but it's a projection of their own
incompetence or what they want to be
real and that's why you gotta be careful
that's really good nuke that's I think
you're spot on with that yeah I mean it
it's it's all projection like chin bun
State pych projection HTH he gets it he
understands the red pill I'm not going
to take that away from him I'm not gonna
he know he knows like everything he says
you're just like yep that's the article
from Rollo from 2005 yep I just saw that
down the street yep me and Thor talked
about on the dragon ship yeah me and
Jack had a chat about this yeah this all
makes sense but then he goes to say that
like we have to change society and I'm
like that's where we have to stop there
because we society's going to be okay
right it may not it may not be America
may not be around forever but I'm
bullish on America and I've always have
been I would say if America is declining
it will take a very long time time right
so why would I sacrifice my life so your
kids can be more comfortable why would I
stop doing why would I stop being
excellent so your followers can feel
better and give you more money you know
I'm going to be excellent I'm sorry like
that's you know so nuke what's your take
on this because I I like H Ma I like
what he's done the morality injection I
think is being done on purpose look at
what happened with the Department of
Homeland Security divert hate and all of
that I think they're trying to inject
the morality situation into our space
particularly to make us bad guys we
predicted this over a year ago you got
the tradcon Christians doing it oh those
guys got the description but they give
terrible prescriptions we really don't
do any of those things they want to
ascribe us as a philosophy an ideology
which would be opposed to a religion uh
for various reasons but I think it's
kind of being encouraged for sure I mean
Cappy You' read the report that came out
of divert hate your name's on it you
know
and so uh I think there's a little bit
more nefarious things going on here and
it's becoming popular to describe morals
and moral judgments to the red pill
you're seeing it everywhere now they
really want us to be some kind of a
movement philosophy
ideology yeah that that they can adopt
or detract from it's really getting
popular and I think homat fell into this
what what about how much of it because I
like H maath how much of it is just home
how much is H maath just a younger guy
and when I was younger I I was thinking
like we ought to do this we should do
that we shouldn't be lending it there
was a lot of sh in my lifetime too want
to help out Society I have a question
for you so you uh for you guys on the
bottom are the older the power bottoms
of
today's um you got uh cier Gen X uh
question for you how much of this is
Millennials we were we have this
Messianic complex that we um I think
we've talked about this before that when
we were young we were told we were going
to fix the world with oh you going to
save the world sure yeah we're going to
save the world and we are the solve to
all like the the system was broken and
we were The Golden Child to like fix
everything and then we be we graduated
college and then we walked into an
already well oiled system that was
working perfectly we they just it just
needed a little bit more internet and
Bluetooth and that's all that's all how
much no yeah I don't no I I don't in
especially in home mats case um I don't
think it's because Millennials were
programmed to become Jessica and Jason
Christ of the suburbs and save us all
from the evils of capitalism I think
it's just a natural human uh morality to
want to do good like for example um hate
him as much as you want Matt Walsh uh or
though that gang or Dennis pra would be
a perfect example that's a incredibly
moral man who wants to do good I think
homeat that's just natural healthy human
desire to like no we really ought to do
this this is what's good for society uh
it's not until you become Gen X jaded
you see how Society actually works that
you say okay that's nice that's
idealistic but uh here's how it is in
the real world here's how the sausage
has made you become much more practical
so I don't think it was any kind of
brainwashing H maath got in K through 12
about yeah the booby booby and save the
planet and the whales and and free
vagina and all that I think he just he
wants to do what's good I mean didn't he
recently get married too I don't know
but he's kicking the ladder out from
under him same same as Andrew Wilson I'm
not sure about this so all them do it Ro
V it's Ro V all over again right yeah
it's like had my fun and blah blah blah
and now I'm 40 and married and my my
virtues have changed you young man must
do the same it's like no how about you
stop kicking the ladder from under you
you goddamn Boomer because that's what
they are Boomer as a mindset and not a
demographic no hesty no it is I know but
it keeps happening keeps happening you
see these guys they get their thing they
get their stride on whatever and all of
a sudden they land the magical good girl
and all of a sudden it's like oh all
this womanizing was wrong and trp is
wrong and you the rational m is just
anger and this and that like there's
zero emotion in that entire book it's
very very objective virtue signaling for
sure yeah and then the virtue signaling
starts and if you want to be like me who
is now happily married and reformed
prodal Son by my course who knows by my
course like same with date psych he he's
got this stupid uh dating program he's a
he's a he's like screw you Mom and Dad
research right because if whatever Rolo
puts out there right because he's
obsessed with Rolo I think he wants to
have sex with Rolo or something um and
he Pro he's probably not straight I
don't know he he made he made a list of
the hot
Redfield conent creators and who was the
hottest I wasn't even on there that was
the most caddy thing I've ever seen I
like completely wrong since I am not on
there this wrong right there um yeah
we're below average Gods amongst men so
don't worry about it I am at least an 11
sir
um and the thing is here that it doesn't
seem like uh daty has a it just seems
that he's count he wants to counter the
red pill and he makes up studies and
surveys that are not very scientific and
their method you know like a Twitter
survey or something and just to disprove
the red pill his enemy is not he his
goal is not science his goal is to just
take down the red pill and Rollo with it
right because there's money to be made
there uh nuke there's money to be made
there and there's a lot of ways to do it
I mean you can listen to he's not the
only one there's tons of them out there
right now it's very popular do that you
can just listen to these people talk the
first words out of their mouth when you
say red pill is what no listen this is
crazy you ever hear anybody talk in the
last few months just in the last few
months listen to any one of these shows
around somebody slamming the red pill
and the first thing out of somebody's
mouth when they engage in talking is no
no yeah but no it's like I've never
heard anybody communicate because I kind
of been out it for a month but right now
very popular to no no no no not true and
the hasn't even spoken yet it's like a
kid thing to get eyeballs on them and
then I started looking into it with some
statistics these people get people
indignant and they make a lot of money
people spend money when there's
indignation so I think some of this red
pill attacks are motivated by that
anyway that was that was what I was
getting I went too long but the other
thing too about all these uh detractors
and these uh you know uh reply guys and
crybabies like this day like [ __ ] and
all these other people you know who are
on and on about their statistics and
their emotionalism and such is and their
arguments they always have to have an
argument right we have to disprove
something come and have a debate me bro
it's like well first of all debates are
gay uh it doesn't change uh anybody's
mind at all about this kind of stuff and
also like there's nothing to debate with
me you can't tell me that uh such and
such uh women don't go for um alphab
Bros or something when in my own
experience when I've been spinning
plates when become more attracted to me
it's like there's no there's no room for
arguments here sir do classic response
Haw no no no you're incorrect with that
I have these studies if you go back in
history 177,000 years human beings
didn't do that based on other psychology
which I can't prove but I'm going to
tell you that's what's going on well
well Thor don't you see it only happens
with the guys who are six foot tall and
go to church on Tuesdays that are
left-handed and I eat sagaki well that's
not the proper uh Christian Viewpoint
when it comes to morals and changes
here yeah well question for you hawk so
uh now you know we are in the uh an
election year we're ramping things are
ramping up uh we we do have stats and
all that stuff and how how much of how
much of these especially I would say
okay let's talk about the conservative
women in the space uh barf but you know
what I'm talking about um how much of
them are using or twisting stats in
order to gain favor with men uh in these
spaces
like for example like I was say saying
before you have female conservative
creators saying uh women bad and Men be
careful out there here's what happens if
you marry a woman and all a men are just
like yeah yeah basically what she's
saying follow my stuff because I am the
ideal woman I I'm not gonna say it out
out loud I'm awesome I'm not like the
other girls yeah I mean uh uh I linked
um a tweet in the private chat here by
it's a tweet by zero HP Lovecraft and
he's he's so correct uh when he says
here and
tldr basically it's like there's only
one tactic that women have uh for
arguments and it's basically a word play
and this tricks up a bunch of dudes who
actually think that talking to women
means that uh women use words the way
that men use words uh they do not so the
whole point is it's like okay um I want
you to do X because X is TRD and if Trad
is good in This Woman's brain then that
means capitulating to woman is Trad or
uh whatever it may be you know the the
words don't actually matter it's just
you it's a manipulation tactic
uh if tra is a good thing then being tra
is doing whatever is in women's best
interest if this woman is a leftwing or
something it's like uh if woke is the
good thing then doing this thing I want
you to do is woke or something like this
I wanted to bring in uh one of the
biggest stat kind of confusion and one
of the most emotional things that people
have when it comes to Stats and all that
stuff and that's the body count because
body count is a stat right it is a it
has been studied right right but here's
the thing we ask women what their body
count is in this study right we say hey
women I know it's Anonymous but right
down there how many men you slept with
so we can look at your life and see what
uh what this means in in a average
woman's life what the consequences of
this are what are the chances that
woman's like yeah I gave a guy a [ __ ]
once but that doesn't count or I had sex
with a condom that guy doesn't count or
I forgot his name that doesn't count and
the whole
manosphere space of all these guys that
follow manosphere content are going off
with some girls who are not even sure
what a body is to make decisions on
whether they're going to whether they're
going to sleep with the chick or date
her or anything like that and isn't that
depressing right well it's like the same
thing we were just uh talking about
about how you're G to form all of your
opinions on The Dating space uh with
stats and you see this a bunch with like
tradcon people as well who get on the
high horse
oh if a woman is not a virgin that I
immediately casts her out of the dating
pool and you can never date this girl
and then it's like that's ridiculous
know actually get out there into the
dating space and in my experience uh
chicks will have like a handful of
bodies you know uh like 10 maybe even a
little bit less you know and again
that's just like a a ballpark estimation
number right because you never actually
know it's like they're totally fine
let's be real here actually get out
there in the uh real world date some
other girls and you realize it's not
that big of a deal who like really who
[ __ ] cares the only reason a guy is
worried about her body count is because
his isn't high enough B definit good
point yeah neuroticism it's it's almost
meaningless because if you want a
girlfriend it's really the value
exchange what they can do and sustain
over time the only thing at least this
is for me and I would like to know what
the panel thinks about that the only
thing what would concern me about her
body count is how many of them do I know
and how much of it will it come back to
me will I be made a fool of kind of
thing like that who remembers that uh
that which one Logan Paul situation last
year where his girlfriend turned out to
be this like giant skank who went
through half of Hollywood or influencers
that's when I would say like okay but
that is more like the the status thing
than whatever if it's like that's
actually a good point Jack that social
really important yeah that would be my
only worry not like the amount but more
like okay who else like and will I be
made a fool out of when did we forget
about discretion as being extremely
important oh we forgot about that years
ago um yeah uh a lot of guys you want
stats you want real information from
women go out there and date women and
stop shaming them sexually and you'll
learn everything no no date site no home
no Dr David bus none of them will be ble
to get on your level of understanding of
women when you sit down with a woman and
you know it's like the secret the The
Secret Garden by is V I think was it
that that is by Nancy Friday Nancy
Fridays yeah um very you you'll find
that once you step into the world of
female sexuality and dating that none of
these all these guys are clowns and I
love you HTH but you got to understand
bro
that the guys doing the work the guys
are out there doing the work and I know
you did some work right the guys out
there doing the work we're in we're
boots on the ground or we were boots on
the ground at some point and we're
discovering things about women that take
researchers
decades decades simply because they
didn't know how to get women to feel
comfortable comfortable enough around
them to get uh the true facts hey women
watch porn too now yeah I know I figured
it out two years ago I sat down with
woman yeah I know we know and we sat
down and we ask them what they
watch oh they just told me they just
told me oh I'm watching this like
degrading [ __ ] it's like oh do you yeah
tell you right now on record women have
a more depraved mind than any man could
ever think of yeah um hey do women
masturbate what do how do they like you
know really grungy sexual questions yeah
they goon they take afternoons off to
just touch themselves they buy a new
vibrator they get excited for the new
vibrator and they shove it up inside of
themselves for hours it's such a
beautiful thing nuk it's not yeah and
guys are sitting in a in a freaking lab
trying to looking at each other white
coats and like what do women do do women
masturbate and we're just and guys that
go out there and get and are humble and
are you know are really want to learn
about women and and maybe stop shaming
them and get to know them for once and
they ask these questions and they get
their answer in 30 seconds rather than
10 years of surveys where with women
they don't know in a cold dark or cold
white room you know that's what I'm
saying it's no different than any kind
of martial art you have to spar and
fight against other people you can't
study
jiujitsu you can't study boxing you have
to go in there and get the [ __ ] kicked
out of you and they just don't want to
do it but yeah if you date if you go out
and date women guess what you learn
about but I kind of in defense I've
pointed this out before um I always
worry about my numbers being too
pessimist Mystic but then I'll go out
and date or you know back in the day or
I'll get field reports like yeah it is
that bad I mean the the real world will
cor I mean the the statistics are coming
from the real world but that isn't going
to help you just oh well here are the
real world statistics you then have to
enter the real world and start playing
the game it's like I guess would
baseball be a perfect example no one
bats a thousand you fail the vast
majority of the time but if you can bat
300 you're doing damn good Paul's here
oh hey what's up Paul how you doing
what's up this such a good topic man I
miss you guys nice accounting that's a
nice accounting lamp you got in the back
there that's a real old school yeah look
at that makes me look uh smart you
[Laughter]
know oh man yeah I don't know what was
said before but this is such a great
topic man because I mean my my issue is
it's not so
much that analyzing what goes was on and
sexual Dynamics is a bad thing or even
getting very analytical on it it's a bad
thing it's that it's usually
wrong that's my problem is that it's
usually wrong because it's done from
this place of like these guys have a lot
of people have like this functional
autism in a bad way and they they climb
into their heads and then they sit there
and they come up with all these ideas
they go down this rabbit hole but none
of it is it applies to real life right
like that's not vetted by actual results
in life because they're not dating or
talking to people who are dating or in
relationships or going through breakups
or any of that stuff you know so there's
no it's not being vetted uh with what's
actually happening in the real world
which is you know when you know Aaron
was talking about you know how you have
the you know getting results in the real
world a bit is you know at least that's
what part of what was being talked about
here when I came on
yeah like that's that's what's really
important you have to actually go out
there and do stuff you can't just be on
the
internet you know what I mean just kind
of talking about ideas that you're not
applying or in any capacity like a a
therapist or someone who coaches that
deals with men who are or or women who
are out there in the dating Market can
get some data points that way sure but
but I mean you can't just be you know in
your in your little uh internet
cave you know throwing around ideas and
going down these rabbit holes without
without without actually vetting it out
with real results and real information
but speaking of vetting that stuff Paul
you're really good I've worked with you
before on the statistics and things like
that do you have any knowledge I know
you and Cappy do one of the things that
guys in this space and I don't know if
HTH knows this as well I'm sure he does
is that when these studies most of them
are questioners and when they're
most them are still surveys they do
something called hacking they also do
something called um balancing and then
uh subjects of
convenience yes on these official
studies which is really interesting
because all of these will point to a
bias if the researchers have a bias in
order to get this and peer reviewed when
it's right they're finding that when
they go back and they do the replication
because of those factors that have kind
of
come into research facilities that
they're not able to replicate some of
this stuff and oh yeah against us too on
the evolutionary side because they end
up going subject of convenience just so
you know subject of convenience is I go
and I hand select every subject and I
pay them in the university to answer my
survey yes yep well that's the thing
like that yeah yeah so so most people
when they're looking at studies they're
just reading the ABS ract or the
conclusion you know um which is a good
place to start but they're not looking
at like how the study is being conducted
sample sizes and and those sorts of
things that can tell you you know what
the bias is you know what I mean and
sometimes when like a really smart and
educated person um makes a claim and
says oh it's it's done by this research
you know the assumption is that that's
correct you know
and and and so then they come up with
all of these claims or ideas but then
you find out that maybe the sample size
was 18 people and it was done in the
case of daty I've seen that too oh yeah
well dat daty has got a ethical problem
with the things that he puts up there to
be honest it's just a lot of things that
he puts up in his claims are he clearly
is starting so because here's the other
thing when you have a claim you want to
falsify
your your claim in other words I'm
looking like if I'm being a real
scientist I'm looking for ways to prove
myself wrong like that's the whole idea
of testing a hypothesis is that you're
actually trying to prove your hypothesis
wrong and then in the process of not
proving it wrong you know what I mean
you you're you're determining or looking
at deductively well this this hypothesis
could be right and so you know if it's
if people are being ethical in their
data they're trying to like when someone
says well what if it's this instead or
what if it's that instead y well let's
look at data let's test it let's try to
see yeah if I can prove the thing that's
you know the opposite of my theory right
like that's that's how you really test
something is you look to see if you
could try to prove it wrong and if you
can't prove it wrong if there's no data
to like you know say that this
hypothesis is or conclusion isn't
correct and there's a bunch of data to
say that it is now you got a good piece
you know you got a good claim to make
but a lot of people are giving the
appearance of that with their studies
but they're not really doing that um and
a lot of their personal values and
biases step in so this is really
interesting this is a so I I caught a
I'm going to do something on my YouTube
channel about it in
detail but there but I CAU a um uh an
interview Chris Williamson and her name
is escaped me though if she was a I I'll
figure it out and I'll I'll drop it so
she's a pretty well-respected like
female
Anthropologist um she's not stupid like
she's her work is halfway decent um she
wrote a book here I'm looking at the at
the thing sure uh Anna so Dr Anna Mak is
her name all right so she makes this CL
clim and this is where I I when I
passively listen to stuff I'm looking to
poke holes and [ __ ] you know and so
she's saying some things that are good
and that makes sense then she makes this
claim that men and women are virtually
the same when you look at their
neurotransmitter and hormone profile
like when you when considering sex and
love and attachment that you couldn't
differentiate between male and female if
you were looking look at their uh
neurotransmitter and hormonal profiles
um when it came to attraction that's the
claim now that's completely
incorrect that is that couldn't be more
untrue because when you go through the
process of sexual attraction and
attraction into the active sex and into
long-term relationships the oxytocin
response and vasopressin response is
different from male than females part of
the reason why it's different is
testosterone levels males have between
On The Low End 300 to 1100 nanograms of
testosterone naturally and a female has
between 10 and 70 nanograms so what
drives female attraction is estrogen
they have up to 3400 nanograms of I
think nanograms is the one something
actually it's a different measurement
conversion sure yeah yeah yeah yeah so
females have like three to 4 100 of
whatever the unit is they measure for
estrogen and guys have up to about 60
right so naturally so this is a big
difference this is a huge huge
difference in hormonal profile that then
interacts with the neurotransmitters so
things don't like operate in a bubble
what she had been looking at was the
beta endorphin well the beta endorphin
is um basically our what we think of as
our endorphins and our natural
painkillers uh you get that natural
painkiller and that feeling of euphoric
endorphins when you exercise when you go
to a party when you go play golf like
there's a lot of things that reward beta
endorphines to include
relationships but she's making the claim
based on the fact that well you can't
differentiate looking at beta endorphins
on males and females in a long-term
relationships like who whether who's the
male who's the female but that's only
one and I'm not even sure like
yeah and I'm actually in the process of
picking that apart too but there just
new there's some new data on beta
endorphins but it's not conclusive to
say that beta endorphins is necessarily
the sole reason why we attach I mean
oxytocin has been known as the love
attachment neurochemical for a while and
the thing about not oxytocin is it's
exclusive to it's exclusive to you know
the the act of love and affection you
know what I mean it's almost exclusive
to that right like it's it's it's very
it's triggered most highly through the
act of sex and so question for you Paul
uh
yeah do you think that research like
this where someone has a study like
let's say a study came out in the 80s
and everyone goes by that study right
yeah like for example uh the food
pyramid kind of thing like yeah carbs
are good for you right like you're
saying like it's all about oxytocin bro
and blah blah like whatever new new data
comes out where you know it kind of
complicates things yeah do you do you
feel like when people are are like
trying to use stats to prove a point and
things get a little bit more complicated
do you think that discourages
discourages people from updating their
world viiew because the old stats are
easier to digest or more or more uh
convenient for their own ideology or way
of thinking or do you think uh it's just
people don't care anymore about stats
they just I I think that people have a
hard time updating their worldview
regardless you know what I mean so I
think what happens is somebody gets they
they think they have the answer and and
their ego gets invested in that right so
like they think oh man like this is this
is the thing um I got it I got it
figured out it's oxytocin or whatever
whatever and then they find out well
wait a second men and women are
different because men have less oxytocin
initially that grows over time through
the stimulus of touch and you know
physical you know uh uh interaction with
a romantic partner women have a lot more
oxytocin initially due to the their
estrogen profiles um but what guys do
get initially and and get an increase of
is vasopressin if women have an increase
of vasopressin they become unattracted
and irritable to their Partners which is
interesting um and that and that goes to
what bass oppress and this is why I and
this is see this is really good talk
about nerding out it's like hey guys
don't nerd out too much and then I just
nerd out completely on this [ __ ] uh
show but it's like but but really though
it's like it's interesting to see that
because
behaviorally you know we can see that
there's a difference between how men and
women love each other in in a in a
relationship or in in a sexual context
we know there's a difference and when we
look at the neurochemical profile it's
interesting because you know I tell guys
like she does especially guys going
through divorce or breakup she doesn't
love you like you love her so like you
are thinking of protecting her and she
is not thinking of protecting you she's
thinking now that the relationship's
over she's thinking about getting what
she can get out of this deal so she can
take care of herself and her kids and
she'll do it at your expense you know
that's going to be her mindset no matter
how good of a woman she is like I try to
so so we know that behaviorally but we
also know it hormonally
because women at vasopressin increases
for children and it the interaction of
vasopressin and estrogen without the
testosterone as much testosterone
involved would make them not
attracted have the opposite effect makes
them not not not attracted to the person
they're trying to caretake for where if
they have a vasopress increase for the
guy they're seeing they're going to be
not attracted and feel like they're
caretaking for that guy like he's a
child
which then makes her
irritable so that makes [ __ ] sense
now right and so then on the exit of the
relationship the oxytocin is changed
into cortisol a stress hormone
associating with a guy and so her
feeling is get me out of here get me
away from this guy and that's why I
always say always facilitate a woman's
exit out of your life like yes yeah for
sure that's that's great advice yeah
like when I date uh and I Feel Like a
Woman not like you you feel the pattern
change right yeah the pattern change is
she's not texting me as much she
canceled our usual Thursday meeting or
whatever okay I'm going to back off you
know a lot of guys want to text more and
double down more I'm going to back off
and open the door even wider for her to
leave and be like hey and the
interesting thing is while uh while
Paul's nning out I also obviously not at
the level you understand this but I also
kind of figure this out by going out
there and and dating women realizing
that hey right this is what they do yeah
like I can't text my way back into her
heart I can't try to you know you have
to just let her go and you'll find more
often than not that sometimes it came
back into your life not because you were
so awesome but because you let her leave
in peace and like she felt comfortable
leaving your life she didn't feel women
are afraid of rejecting men they are
terrified of rejecting men sometimes so
when they leave your life they're just
like how do I do this without him
getting mad sad or having this
confrontation um and then when you're
already doing the leg work by like stop
texting her stop inviting her out stop
giving her attention she's like okay I'm
gonna slowly slip out of his life and
this is going to be awesome and then
later down the line her new relationship
doesn't work and she's like hey what are
you doing on a Thursday night hey what
are you doing you want to hang out and
you're just like oh sure yeah yeah in
normal healthy relationships that is
exactly what happens n times out of 10
guys are too afraid
to give her opportunity to miss him
where it's like if she is if she's being
distant whatever just mirror the
behavior and nine times out of 10
paradoxically she'll want you more and
Paul Paul brought up a good point where
it's like she doesn't want your no she's
not protecting you and I would like to
add to that she doesn't want to be
protected either by you not only is she
not protecting you while you want to
protect her no she doesn't want your
protection expand on that brother what
do you mean well a lot of guys go into
where oh uh especially during the
divorce and whatever well she's becoming
a single mom and this and that blah blah
blah and it is my duty as a man to be
the good chimp and to still even uh
especially since he is the mother of my
kids to still uh Safeguard her and blah
blah blah but she's not looking out for
your best and nine signs out of 10 she
doesn't even want you to take care of
her anymore she wants her new guy to
take care of her oh I see what you mean
and the breakup yep yeah where it's like
she wants to be removed from you where
it's like get this away from me no I
need to convince her that I'm still
great it's like no no her actions have
spoken you are no longer important why
would you want to protect somebody who
doesn't even want you or but a lot of
guys they they don't see it they they
they don't they can't fathom it I have a
question I have a question for Cappy
um uh
for for stats and know this is a
question for everyone this is for
everyone are there any stats right now
that would be incredibly useful for a
young man let's say he's 24 25 for
dating are there any stats that he must
know before he goes out uh yeah I mean
generally summarizing up my book The
Book of Numbers uh only about 3% of
women in the United States are marriage
material um by best estimates so that
and the pull away from that the take
away from that is very few women are
either interested or capable of
providing a
traditional uh wife now if you're a
leftist and you're okay with fats you
know if you look like the Amazing
Atheist The World is Yours man there's a
bunch of fat unfuckable pigs that I'm
sure you guys can all you can all jerk
off to a picture of Carl marks uh but I
haven't heard in a long yeah cuz that's
what happens when you're mentally ill
you just disappear after a while
um but I mean for more traditional
minded men yes this is a very poor
environment I'm not saying women are
even bad it's just women have chosen to
go a different route is what I'd say
there's very little interest in marriage
in traditional families anymore on the
part of women that would have major
consequences for men making investment
choices as to how much you want to
invest in a career and chasing women and
trying to press them in cars and [ __ ]
like that so there's that the other
thing would be more of an old school
the 50/50 25 you can
expect or maybe more a better would be a
rule of 10 for every 10 girls you ask
out only one's going to say yes and
you're going to end up on a date so
that's just a general rule of thumb it's
more like 20% but that's old school data
from Gen X days when women wore you know
when women wore skirts and and didn't
have penises uh back in those days you'd
have a one in five chance of going out
on a date but I'd say now it's one in 10
but it's just a numbers game you have to
you have to do that so um I'm trying to
think of anything else I got one to Mar
okay here's another important one
marriage is stupid I mean that's a
[ __ ] ridiculous proposition please
don't get married that's just dumb was
that gonna be yours Paul was that kind
of your no no no so close marriage is
dumb but here's here's one that I think
is a good one too that because I think
guys they they want the long-term I mean
they do eventually at some point Ian we
we know that they really just want
someone to touch their wieners that's
really what it boils down to but they
don't want to say that they really want
a long I want I want girls to touch my
wiener Paul I yeah I mean just admit
right now that's really what we're
really looking for but you know they
want this long-term relationship and
they have this mental Paradigm of
long-term relationships being both
successful and natural okay it's this
idea that like well I'm gonna find the
right girl and I'm gonna have if she's
the right girl and I'm of course the
right guy like we're GNA we're going to
have a family and we'll just like we'll
we'll naturally stay together like our
grandparents or something I don't know
right reality is is that most
relationships are not
successful you know so most in most
relationships about half of them or more
um and this is this is talking if we
look after the honeymoon period after
the two-year Mark so before the two-year
Mark most relationships break up up you
know probably over 90% you know what I
mean I don't know what the stats are but
it's it's high right and in that that's
that that that uh checks out because you
guys get in you know most people get
into relationships that that end up
breaking up before two years it doesn't
last right that's fine but even past the
two-year Mark most relationships break
up or are not happy so over 50% of those
somewhere about 55 or so kind of
matching the divorce rate um those break
up you know past the two-year Mark and
then it's only
15% that could even be considered happy
now that data came from looking at
relationships that were past eight years
oh when when they looked at you know a b
a sample size of couples past past the
eight-year Mark um 15% could consider
themselves through questionnaire not
asking are you happy or are you unhappy
but asking questions because then people
can protect their egos and say well yeah
I'm happy but they're not right asking
questions that would you know allude to
their own satisfaction relationship
satisfaction happiness only 15% of the
people in those
questionnaires were were were
relationship satisfied or happy so that
means that most people 85% of people you
know that get into a relationship that
lasts eight year eight years they're not
happy or they're breaking up that that's
a a stat that guys need to understand
for for have the idea of having the
long-term forever relationship 85% of
people don't have it all right they're
either stuck in a relationship they
don't like and they don't like their you
know relationship partner that much on
the girl side or the guy side or they're
broken up or breaking up like that is
that's the stat that I think is really
Paul a simple way 85% of relationships
fail yeah in one way or another yes well
even more than that fail if you look at
pass from Year from zero to two years
but even these these ones that are two
to five you know here to 7even year itch
right all that stuff yeah most of those
are failing too that's okay it's not to
make guys like you know want to crawl in
some weird incel hole it's just have an
expectation for what you're getting into
the girl you're dating right now might
not be the girl for you in five years
and that's okay like have a great
experience with the people you're dating
now and if it doesn't work out it
doesn't work out you know this idea that
I'm gonna have a forever person is a
great idea and I think that you can you
know work on your skill sets and fi and
vetting and also your frame in the
relationship your game in a relationship
and finding the right person but you're
gonna have to my point is that it's not
going to be natural so if 85% of these
relationships fail and that's even after
two years years what that means is being
together long term is not natural so
that's okay that it's not natural it
just means that it's not GNA happen
automatically unless you do things to
make that happen you know it's like
monogamy monogamy is the least Paul Paul
Paul Paul yeah we could send this topic
to the Mayo Clinic the ER room it is so
beaten to death right now I think you
made your point we're not going to reset
itated I think they got it we can move
on
now all right but anyway so that I think
that's a good one though uh so uh Hawk
uh what is a stat that you think will
actually help guys that are trying to
get out there and date women you know
I'm almost even nervous to even suggest
um a stat at this point because I just
see such an over index of people in our
comments sections whether it's on
Twitter in our YouTube videos of
whatever trying to suggest like
oh yeah do I have to suggest do I have
to read this book you guys should debate
uh this um I was gonna say a word we
can't say um you gotta go out and debate
uh this guy or whatever just just get
out there man uh to be honest know
that's that's the best advice I can give
for people well I mean I think
um one of the things I wanted to bring
up earlier when we were talking about um
know uh uh women and such and their uh
uh tactics for manipulating with
language and such I think uh one of the
things we talk about a lot in this space
is men being raised as defective women
and I think one of the thing things that
attaches to that is this idea that
people care about you and everyone is
always going to Care uh about women and
such but really men really don't
actually care about what you do until
you actually prove that you're worthy of
someone caring about you and what I mean
by that is uh no one cares if you're
gonna go spend a bunch of plates no one
gives a [ __ ] nobody cares cares if
you're going to break up with one
certain girl or whatever nobody cares if
you're supposed to have live up to this
romantic ideal of marrying the first
girl you uh ever date or ever sleep with
and such uh nobody gives a [ __ ] and also
uh in another way as well when you
actually become successful also nobody
gives a [ __ ] because people just want to
be uh in your circle and they're also
not really caring so I think people just
get wrapped up in this idea so much of
like oh I have to live up to this ideal
of what people are saying
and I just think it's very ineffective
um you know go out and make your own
way yeah uh Thor uh what is a stat that
would help the younger generation of
guys and that will help them navigate
the dating women and all that
stuff you're uh you're muted
Thor I guess
can you hear me yeah we can hear you
yeah sounds good so what is the stat
that guys can can use
today you
know I'm not really sure there's any
stats that can use you I think you
should use all the stats and take take
them with a grain of salt you know what
would apply in your life take a look at
it are you seeing evidence of this in
your life and can it be useful hey this
is Rule zero right what is useful so if
there's a stat that's useful to you and
you can use it to your advantage or you
can you can use it to project yourself
out into the world and make things
happen for the betterment of yourself
and those around you those are the stats
you should use everything else is just a
bunch of fun talk toss it
out yeah uh I don't know if Jack's back
uh but whenever he comes back we'll ask
him
um stats that I say would be useful
testosterone levels right what is the
average testosterone level and where
you're at meaning you have to go to
a something like that yeah yeah yeah
like I uh another stat uh that would be
useful is uh how much you're supposed to
eat your caloric Surplus to gain muscle
you know those are the numbers you
should be worried about another stat is
uh how much is the rent in the city you
want to move to that way you can move to
a nicer area that way you don't have to
worry about crime as much right all the
outside Factor
that no one's really talking about to
help young men are the ones that we
ignore the most right Cy talks about
this Thor has a course on power lineman
where he says hey this is something what
you GNA earn in 20 years 15 years five
years right and I'm sure uh Apex uh H
all of us we we kind of the purpose of
the red pill is Solutions right to get
us ahead to give us leverage in the
sexual Marketplace and it's not only
knowing that how much the rate at which
women cheat it's also hey if you're on a
bench what percentage of your max should
you lift which is like what 80 70 80%
those are the things that are going to
help you guys are so worried about the
behavior of women that we forget that
hey we have to worry about certain stats
that are actually relevant in our lives
because I can't control what Stacy down
the street does I can only incentivize
her through my actions at who I am but
for me personally I can the stuff that I
can control I can control my body fat
percentage to an degree I can control
where I live right and I think those are
the stats that will uh help you more
than charts and graphs right obviously I
think that uh like putting your stuff in
the female delusion calculator is
helpful because a lot of guys really
don't know their value they forget they
take themselves for granted so much that
they forget they're a rare animal like
usually the guys that put their stuff in
there are like top two% right and that's
not to get you entitled so you can go
around and say say to women I'm top 2%
give me your vagina no it's yeah it's
just it's just just so you can like have
an idea and start valuing yourself stop
taking yourself for granted that you are
a valuable person but you you have to
Market better you have to show off to
the world in a positive way without
coming off as a douchebag that you are
valuable right and that such a good
point yeah and that that's ultimately
what it is stop worrying about the women
bad stats right because you can't
control women there none even the women
do not care about the opinion of men
they're not having sex with they do not
they do not care and even if they're
having sex with you maybe they might
care about your opinion on some things
and if they're your wife they don't even
care about that they just want you to be
happy right hopefully if they're your
wife right so let's let's forget about
women bad stats and let's let's focus on
how do I be a better dude stats that way
we can you the neuroticism around whe
whether a woman's gonna like cheat on
you or not goes away because in your
mind you're just like I'm so hot that I
can get another girl I will be sad I
will be depressed for a a month or two
but it will be better than being
depressed for five six years and and
binging on H maath uh and his charts you
know and that's that's that's ultimately
the goal is to have the mental models so
you can move forward right uh Jack uh
now that you're back I want to ask you
what is a stat that men can like young
men that are trying to date right can
you that's actually useful to
them oh oh you're gonna love this one
that apparently the uh men with most
sexual partners could at least bench two
25
there you go that's a good stat meaning
that hey there's some correlation in
having a nice chest and going to the
pool and talking to a
chick and get laid so at least you got
somewhere to go off of like hey I gotta
build a nice chest right so but also
that it really depends on your
demographic like go to where the women
are Ian Ironwood used to write about
this go to where the uh population is
dense like if you're in some town in bum
[ __ ] Idaho or whatever and you're like
oh all I get on or Nebraska or South
Dakota whereever Cy's at right now let
me tell you let me tell you about the
girthy women here they all look like
Paul if you like Paul if you think
Paul's hot have we got women for you in
South Dakota that's
right for $100 I'll put a wig on and
send you a sexy pH Paul don't you T me
with a good time man don't you show show
us the cleavage Paul show us the
cleavage I watch I watch female sports
Olympics now they all look like us
now no it's it's things like that like
um look
at
um if I don't know if there's a Tinder
stat about this but maybe look at things
like okay what sort of profiles do get
swiped right on more is it guys with
like bathroom selfies or like actual
professional photos if it says
professional photos what's preventing
you from hiring a photographer and just
get some good shots in
things like that um but the mosquito
study the mosquito study said or fruit
fly study says that women collect
collect sperm in their vaginas for
decades look I do want to give credit to
Donovan sharp though for one of the best
Burns I ever heard she'd had more [ __ ]
no she'd had so much [ __ ] it turned her
brown eyes blue it's like that is one of
the wordss I ever heard so credit to
Donovan sharp for that one
that was cool that one is pretty BR that
was a legendary burn holy
[ __ ] that's hilarious dude I wanted to
to jump on uh nuke's Point here that you
made earlier that I think is a really
important one uh for a lot of guys who
watch us too which is there's a big
there's a
gigantic like Global [ __ ] test on
Twitter and everywhere where it where
where people and particularly girls are
giving you a checklist of what you need
to do as a man in
order yeah you need to make this much
money and be this tall and here's what
your dick needs to look like and here's
what your blah needs to be like and okay
let me just tell you it's all [ __ ]
and doesn't matter when you look at
these girls in their track records They
bang dudes and get a full-on
relationships with dudes that do not
match the checklist that they would put
on the internet internet and in fact
even just not even talking like divisive
girls who are just throwing weird
checklists out there or something um but
like just the regular girl if you were
to ask her well what it is what is it
that you expect out of a guy when you're
dating them they'll give a checklist and
then if you ask them the same question
of like so was your ex did he match that
checklist the answer will be no did the
guys iue now I'm different I'm like your
last three X's were the same right
exactly so the point is all all that
matters is their emotions how they feel
about them you how they feel in the
situation and how you make them feel if
you're a five foot six guy and you make
her feel attracted she is going to bed
with you if you're a five foot six guy
and she you don't make her feel
attracted she's gonna say you're too
short you're right like that's that's
what it is they they have a feeling and
they have to rationalize the feeling
somehow and so instead of like letting
girls who reject you pick you apart to
find the flaw that you can't change as
the reason why they didn't date you just
focus on girls who will date you and
focus on learning good skills in
communication and seduction so they feel
good around you and then they want to be
with you that's it and but guys feel bad
about themselves and they you know
because they're not out there dating and
they read the stuff on the internet it's
a buffer against rejection they don't
it's a buffer against rejection dude
it's crazy I anymore thanks guys for
letting me know
yeah it's sad man like I'll see these
guys like they'll they'll either they'll
communicate me some way shape or form
whether it's a DM or on on uh whether
it's a DM or they jump in like my free
you know my free coaching platform and
these guys are really like well I make
$90,000 a year like this one guy on
Twitter he's like you know he's he's a
competitive uh bodybuilder does not the
jacked bodybuilding but what is it the
the uh the ibf the IBB Pro the uh what
is yeah what's the division where dudes
are pretty leaned out and you know
swimsuit model look oh NPC yeah yeah
yeah so anyway that's what you know so
in other words he's not he's he looks I
from an you know from a objective
perspective he's probably looks good to
women you know he makes he made like
990,000 a year or something which is
fine you know what I mean he had like a
decent like stat stats but he was like
well I'm only 510 and girls want a guy
who's six feet and like all these things
I'm like dude stop listening to the
internet and what some girl rejected you
said and start going for girls who will
be attracted to you like yeah I I had to
show a photo like my hot ass girlfriend
okay who's my height she reaches High
[ __ ] for me she's like a mo she's a
former model she's 59 you know 58 5'9
I'm like
5'9 like where where doesn't matter it
doesn't matter I make her feel a certain
type of way so she's with me that's it
do she help you in the grocery store
where you can't reach the products yeah
the problem is I got these lats and
shoulders so like I'm reaching and I got
L and then she's like all tiny
so yeah um yeah uh let's get the super
chats here uh they've been the people
have been waiting so let's get these
super chats and then we'll wrap so
everyone can go back like Cathy says go
back to our lives and stuff like that uh
which all involves hiking obviously yeah
hiking and uh streaming uh all right
nonstop Dre with the $ five dollar here
uh morality is a weapon used by those
who lack the money and power to change
people's behavior to benefit them change
my mind reality and nature agrees yeah
uh you realize where you have power and
if you don't have power somewhere you
don't have power to change something you
move on to what you can it's it's called
being an adult right it's pretty simple
all right Another one not stop Dre $2
most guys are coochie commies term made
by CGA yeah sexual communism meaning I
deserve a girl give me the girl because
I'm a man and I exist
yeah um not nrop uh Dre again two
Cappy's game is asking how much at Five
Guys CPP is not amused right
now I'm listening I'm just not
interrupted I want to go okay nonstop
dre2 why don't Spurs just go to the TFM
route uh monkey yeah um I don't know
Alex patinho with the five dollars
that's another reason I got away from
newer anime when it reinforces the Nerds
laziness and wanting a magical formula
to get the girlsa yeah guys uh there's a
there's been an inversion where guys are
G are the ones that want to be
approached now are you GNA get to a
point in your life where you're going to
be so attractive that maybe once in a
while girls are going to like put
yourself in their in your vicinity and
like talk to you yeah of course but
you're a hunter you you you go out and
meet women you talk to them you approach
first that's the way it was all it
always has been and it always will be so
yeah Alex patinho with the $10 thank you
sir at one time in my life I had three
girls near Fort Hood Texas then I moved
to Fort Benning Georgia and got three
more girls sure it was a pain in the
neck but I will I will never say it was
wrong nor do I regret it yeah I mean I
bet all those girls are happily married
right now or they're doing their own
thing they probably don't even remember
you a lot of girls forget the guys they
hook up with so you know uh Alex patinho
with the $2 King Solomon was the man and
had God's backing yeah King Solomon was
the man until he until he did that thing
where he uh killed the guy sent the guy
in the front lines to die uh jjjs with
the $2 Canadian date ideas in a
recession walks picnics Parks you got it
uh wine date wine date is the cheapest
classiest date right and I'll I'll give
you a quick re quick reasons why it's
inside right Texas right now the
temperature is 102 so you don't want to
be outside right now you don't want to
take a girl outside in 100 degree
weather on a patio um a bottle of wine
right now is $40 $30 $40 right it'll get
her buz right everyone like half a
bottle of wine is enough to get me kind
of like relax and not worrying about
anything hell box of wines 8.99 yeah
exactly um and it is it is quiet like
most wine bars are very quiet so you can
have a conversation it's not like a bar
or club where you got to be screaming at
the person and ultimately uh it's it is
seen as classy meaning a girl will be
like oh a wine bar you know it it won't
be seen as something like low tier it's
like you put in effort because wine bars
are seen as classy places um so yeah
that that's that is my suggestion if
anyone else has a suggestion then uh
help him out I mean he already got it
walks picnics Parks things like that I
mean the date is you yeah D you uh
nonstop Dre with the $2 women want Chad
ejection and attention not protection
yep that is true uh nonstop Dre with the
$2 Spurs but they say 50% of stats are
false yeah they who the hell is they
they say researchers say people say I'm
just like dude we don't care we don't
the IRS yeah the IRS the magical goblins
under the ocean uh unrealized thoughts
$2 who gets it worse Pik mes or simps
and CS p m uh people who don't take
action realiz thoughts people that sit
on the internet and discuss whether pmes
or simp inels or worse it's people that
live in real life and talk to people and
get rejected and all that stuff those
are the people that are going to do well
in dating right uh all right guys so I
just wanted to thank you guys for coming
on was good show I want to end with this
with this quote and you guys probably
know which quote I'm going to end with
let me bring it up here and it's it's
the one thing that uh dating researchers
will will never uh invoke or talk about
right and that's uh the man in the arena
right I'm going to read this and we'll
we'll get out of here the man in the
arena it is not the critic who counts
not the man who points out how the
strong man stumbles or where the doer of
Deeds could have done them better AK you
know uh are detractors right the credit
belongs to the man who's actually in the
arena whose face is marred by dust and
sweat and blood who strives valiantly
who s who comes short again and again
and again because there is no effort
without error and shortcoming but who
does actually strive to do the Deeds who
knows great enthusiasms the great
devotions who spends himself in a worthy
cause who at the best knows in the end
the Triumph of high achievement and who
at worst if he fails at least fails
while daring greatly so that his place
shall never be with those cold and timid
Souls who neither know Victory nor
defeat Theodore Roosevelt so that's
that's my life uh that's my life quote I
use that because a lot of people like to
talk and not do so uh all right guys
we'll go around the horn what you got
cooking and we'll get out of here so
Cappy what you got cooking nothing
really uh the latest thing uh kind of
some good news my latest uh course the
world's greatest accounting career uh
available on teachable that actually I I
advertise with Joker at better Bachelor
holy [ __ ] toss him a couple bucks I made
8,000 in sales in three weeks really so
like my mortgage is almost paid for the
entire year I want to thank Joker over a
better Bachelor for everyone who done
but yeah it's sell like hot cakes so
it's been a very good month so if you're
interested in I need to do that I'll
contact you yeah yeah contact Joker I
can't recommend him enough tell him I
sent you but if you're a young man or
woman and you don't want to you're
looking for a career where it's very
easy to get self-employed and remote
employed I can't recommend accounting
enough me and Chad Elkin put together
this course the world's greatest
accounting career goes through all the
ins and outs road map things like that
consider taking it it's available on
teachable second this Cappy and Chad uh
got me into the accounting field with
their suggestions and it worked out
pretty well for
me all right well thanks Cappy uh Thor
got definitely genius I'll tell you
smart guy anyway for me obviously I got
my book the sales are doing well but I
wanted to mention to everybody we talked
about Stats today uh an area that I have
been very very involved with since uh
well at least the last nine years is
testosterone replacement and hormone
replacement on very leveles I don't talk
a lot about it but uh I did have a
three-hour lecture I've been hired to
give lectures on this talk about
steroidogenic Pathways for both men and
women and uh I'm going to make that
available to everybody in the chat right
now they can watch one of these lectures
where the documentation the stats that
are out there it's just not men who have
been affected by the drop in
testosterone it's women women are
actually 12 to 17 times more sensitive
to testosterone and other hormones can't
really get into it here but if you're
really interested in that you can take a
look at the lecture I gave it goes right
down into how that affects men women I
talk about peptides sarms serms why your
health is important and what you should
be looking at as markers as you age in
order to maintain Optimal Health Sleep
diet and all that stuff so if you're
interested in those kind of stats being
put together where you can look at the
probabilities uh you know that's really
what we're doing is we're looking at the
list of probabilities what is most
probable if I pay attention to these
hormones in my body and I put them in a
place where um they're useful to me um
will it help me will it help extend my
health Spin and so far as we can tell
yes it does so take a look at that guys
if you want I just dropped the price of
30 bucks that's for three hours of
lecture and documentation with the
bibliographies for the stats so and get
the book guys get the book dominant
masculine presence um and uh uh come
join us at uh dragon ship right after
this thanks all right uh Paul the Apex
the Apex man the Apex uh researcher here
yo what you got cooking um you know what
I'm just looking at um the way things
are lately with a lot of stuff I'll try
to drop a let me drop a link somewhere
I'll drop in the private if you want to
drop it um on the thing but um you know
I'm I'm expanding myself on x and and um
Rumble eventually when I figure out how
to how to get my streaming over there
too but I'm looking at it it's like you
know we got to defeat these algorithms
and with the way that things are um
there's more and more algorithmic
suppression for people who don't H
already have couple hundred thousand
subscribers yeah I got a my my stream
got taken down last Sunday completely
stopped Midstream gone and it's still
gone yeah and so it's elction time and
so like you know there's going to be a
suppression of voices of people that
give great advice and it's going to be
more useful for you than a lot of these
channels that have a l High subscriber
counts um you know like I mean nukes
nuk's Channel and streams are more
valuable than a lot of people out there
trying to talk about similar topics that
have yeah for sure that have a half a
million people uh subscribed and yet
you're you get your stream taken down so
pushing us off of like let's get off of
these platforms and have real
conversations elsewhere you know I I
dropped a link to my school uh Community
everybody's invited I got a free section
then I got the you know the paid section
for my coaching group guys you're
welcome to the free section you can drop
questions you got an issue you're
working on something like that just
throw a question on there you know what
I mean we can support each other there
and then we can still do our streams on
whatever platform you guys like whether
it's you know that I'm saying to the
audience whether it's rumble or X or
whether you still like YouTube but you
know let's let's solve real problems and
stuff like that and have these
conversations away from the algorithmic
um you know uh censorship and some of
those things that are there so I got my
community there you know and if you when
you sign up on the community you'll put
an email list down that email list will
give you unless you say no to it later
will give you access to my newsletter
I've actually been writing again and
writing some pretty decent uh stuff like
real answers to real things all right
that you can action in your life it's
not spam I do all my own writing um and
you know that'll come out a couple times
a week you know what I mean a couple
times a week you'll have a nice little
thing to be able to read so just you
know that's the free stuff you can just
jump on there and if you have an issue
you're working on or anything like that
shoot me a DM you know awesome all right
well thanks Paul thanks for uh uh your
contribution today Hawk what you got got
cooking I know you had a stream last
night I couldn't catch it I was out uh
was it last night uh I was out dancing
Thursday oh Thursday yeah yeah yeah so
uh me and my boys at the at the Old
Glory club uh do our uh political news
Roundup streams on Thursday so if you
guys are interested with uh Americana
news and all that stuff come check us
out over
there awesome um Jack what you got
cooking so I got a new substack article
and from this past week I would very
much appreciate it if you guys go check
that out go read that a new one is
dropping next Monday so if you follow me
there you will be updated on it and that
is kind of it for me you know where to
find my YouTube channel you know where
to find me on Twitter and that's it Jack
you got a YouTube channel I know I know
all right over almost at 3500
subscribers nice hey shout out to Glenn
Lawrence in the chat there you are hey
what's up
is he coming to dragon ship yeah he's
coming to dragon ship today awesome all
right guys well uh thank you guys for
tuning in uh thank you panel for your
insights realize guys it's it's
overthinking bro it's just going to kill
you it's just going to kill you these
stats all they do is make you overthink
you're gonna one day be in front of a
girl she's gonna be smiling and you
there's no stats that can help you there
you just got to be a fun exciting guy
right you're gonna breed anxiety
perfectionism feel failure lack of
confidence desire for control past
experiences complex decisions Distortion
social pressure lack of mindfulness and
information overload are all going to
make you unattractive and that's what we
don't want so uh thank you guys and I'll
see you guys next time cheers
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