“I defy you to show me discrimination…” EAM S Jaishankar’s challenge on minority issues in India
Summary
TLDRThe speaker argues that India has a deeply pluralistic underlying culture with unique diversity across multiple axes like ethnicity, faith, language, and traditions. He contends that India's diversity naturally fosters disagreements and corrections, unlike more homogeneous societies that impose conformity. Regarding minorities, he challenges anyone to show present-day discrimination in India, arguing that digital governance has increased fairness. He acknowledges global criticisms, some from politically motivated groups upset over losing privileges. However, he highlights India's social welfare expansion for the poor regardless of background. Though turbulent, he sees this as part of a democratic society's development.
Takeaways
- 😊 India has a deeply pluralistic underlying culture with immense diversity across multiple dimensions like ethnicity, faith, language, traditions etc.
- 👥 This diversity leads to natural conversations, discussions and attempts to balance different perspectives.
- 🌏 India's diversity is unique globally and cannot be easily understood by outsiders lacking context.
- 📈 India is undergoing tremendous change via social welfare policies aimed at housing, health, food etc for all.
- ☮️ Governance has become more faceless and digital leading to greater fairness in access to rights and amenities.
- 🔎 There is little evidence today of discrimination in the provision of benefits to minorities in India.
- 😕 Criticism of India's treatment of minorities is often driven by political or cultural biases rather than facts.
- 🗳 India has a history of vote bank politics that may cause some resentment towards loss of previously privileged status.
- 🇮🇳 The turbulence arising from India's diversity is part of the journey of a democratic society.
- 🔊 Judgments about India's minorities are often based on sound bites rather than deeper understanding.
Q & A
How does the speaker describe the diversity and pluralism in India?
-The speaker says India has deeply pluralistic underlying culture with unique diversity across multiple axes like ethnicity, faith, language, traditions etc. He says India is the most diverse space in the world.
What does the speaker say about the nature of diversity in India?
-The speaker says that with such diversity, there will always be conversations, discussions, attempts to balance things, corrections etc. He calls it the 'turbulence of a democratic society'.
How does the speaker respond to concerns about discrimination against minorities in India?
-The speaker challenges anyone to show discrimination in access to rights, amenities and benefits like housing, healthcare, food, finance, education etc. He says digital governance has made things more fair and faceless.
What does the speaker say is the biggest change happening in India today?
-The speaker says the biggest change is the creation of a social welfare system in a low per capita income country like India. He says no other country has done this before.
How does the speaker explain the criticism or complaints from some sections?
-The speaker says some privileged sections who resent losing their tax benefits are politicizing or 'wrapping' their grievances. He refers to the culture of vote banks.
What analogy does the speaker use to explain the reactions of outsiders?
-The speaker analogizes outsiders to someone listening to conversations in the next room and making judgments based on snippets, without knowing the people.
How does digital governance aid fairness according to the speaker?
-The speaker says digital governance makes things more fair and faceless by removing human discretion and biases.
What turbulence does the speaker attribute to Indian democracy?
-The speaker attributes the conversations, disagreements and corrections happening in India to the 'turbulence of a democratic society' with diversity.
How is the social welfare system in India unique globally as per the speaker?
-The speaker says that creating a welfare state in a low income country like India has never been done before globally.
What privilege loss does the speaker blame for some grievances?
-The speaker blames the loss of tax privileges and benefits for some sections as a reason for their political grievances.
Outlines
🤔 India's Deeply Pluralistic Culture
Paragraph 1 discusses India's deeply pluralistic culture and layers of diversity across ethnicity, faith, language and traditions. It argues this makes India uniquely diverse. The speaker acknowledges natural disagreements in such diverse societies but sees India as increasingly fair in its governance with expanded social welfare.
😕 Addressing Minorities and Political Gripes
Paragraph 2 continues on Indian diversity and fair governance. The speaker challenges anyone to show discrimination, arguing digital governance has increased fairness. However, global exposure leads some to gripe about minorities' treatment. The speaker suggests much criticism is political from vote banks now losing privileges.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡pluralistic
💡diversity
💡discrimination
💡minorities
💡digital
💡governance
💡social welfare
💡democratic society
💡vote banks
💡turbulence
Highlights
The underlying culture of India is deeply pluralistic with diversity and layers that make it unique
India's diversity leads to natural conversations, discussions, attempts to find balance which is the nature of diversity
India is a much looser society where people naturally disagree as part of the national character
Outsiders often misunderstand India's diversity by only hearing snippets of conversation without full context
The real test of good governance and social balance is whether there is discrimination in access to rights and benefits
India is undertaking tremendous change by creating a social welfare system with low per capita income, unprecedented globally
India's increased digitization has made governance more faceless and fair with less discrimination
Some minorities resent losing previous privileges and use political rhetoric against government
India has housing, healthcare, food, financial, educational and health access without discrimination
Cardinal Dolan expressed concern about religious minorities in India without full context
American politicians often have strongly held, electorally or culturally driven views on India
India's diversity leads to correcting balances and discussions naturally
Imposed conformity removes India's diversity and dissent
No society has achieved equitable access and rights with India's low income
India's turbulence comes from being a democratic society with diversity and disagreement
Transcripts
the underlying culture of India is
deeply pluralistic diversity and the
layers that you get in India and you can
slice it in different ways it could be
ethnicity it could be faith it could be
language
it could be Traditions uh it's it's an
it's actually unique I defy you to show
me discrimination more digital we have
become the more uh more in a way
faceless the the governance has become
actually it's become fair I wrote a
column about India in the Wall Street
Journal and I got a there was a letter
to the editor from Cardinal Dolan who
was a very well respected man I
personally respect tremendously uh to
the journal expressing his concern that
I hadn't said enough in my column about
problems of religious minorities in in
India so
um how how would you
sort of try to shape the conversation or
how would you respond to some of these
concerns that that people have here
uh
X because you know I think different
people uh uh if I I don't know Cardinal
Dolan uh I'm a little more familiar with
American politicians including members
of Congress so I'm not you know I know
many of them have
a strong views often ah electorally
driven sometimes culturally driven all
of that so I'm a little hesitant to
address specific examples so but as a
broad proposition yes yes look as a
broad proposition uh you know all I can
say where India is concerned is
the underlying culture of India is
deeply pluralistic
in fact I cannot think of any society in
the world and I've lived in many of them
whether I look at Europe or look at
North America North America us is very
pluralistic
China I've lived in Russia
the the diversity and the layers that
you get in India and you can slice it in
different ways it could be ethnicity it
could be faith it could be language
it could be Traditions uh it's it's in
it's actually unique it's it's truly in
multiple accesses the most diverse
space in the world
now ah
it is something now when you have that
kind of diversity that diversity will
always have its own conversations and
discussions it will be there will be
attempts to get a certain balance right
there will be Corrections there will be
Recollections it's in the nature of
diversity the only way you won't have
those dialogues is when you don't have
diversity or when you have imposed
something so strong that you know
everything is okay in that place because
everybody has either been forced to
agree or condition to agree with each
other so we actually are a much more
loser Society where uh there are you
know there is a almost a natural
inclination to disagree and that is our
national character now when you have
people who do not who have not come
through that experience who for them you
know are listening it's like you're
listening to the next room you really
don't know the people in the Next Room
you're picking snatches of conversation
and then you are making a judgment or a
opinion based on that particular sound
bite that that you picked up so ah today
if since you brought up the issue of
minorities in India look what is the
what is the uh test really of of uh of
fair and good governance
or of the balance of a society it would
be whether in terms of uh you know the
the
amenities the benefits the access the
rights do you discriminate or not you
know and and in every society in the
world at some point there's been some
discrimination on some basis so if you
look at India Today ah you know and and
I you know it's it's a it's a society
today where there's a tremendous change
taking place because people are get I
mean the biggest change happening today
in India is the creation of a social
welfare system in a society which has
less than three thousand dollars per
capita income nobody has done that in
the world before now when you look at
the benefits of that you look at housing
you look at Health you look at Food you
look at Finance you look at you know
educational Access Health Access
there's no you know I I defy you to show
me discrimination I mean in fact the the
more digital we have become uh the more
uh more in a way faceless the the
governance has become actually it's
become Fair
uh but as I said this is a globalized
world there will be people you know you
will have people gripe about it and lot
of much of the wrapping is also
political let me be very Frank with you
because we've also had a culture of vote
Banks and there are there are sections
who had in their own eyes or certain
privileged taxes who today May May
resent the fact that they don't and you
know it's a phenomenon with which you
are not unfamiliar and I think these
will be the turbulence of a Democratic
Society
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