Joesthetics Current Stack, Gyno Removal & Chronic AI Use
Summary
TLDRIn this in-depth conversation, the speaker discusses his experiences with gynecomastia, its impact on his health and recovery, and the decision to undergo surgery. He shares insights on the use of aromatase inhibitors like Arimidex and the importance of maintaining balanced hormone levels for overall well-being. The discussion also touches on the potential benefits of peptides for injury recovery and the necessity of blood work monitoring to ensure optimal health.
Takeaways
- 🧪 The individual had very low estrogen levels while on Arimidex, to the point where it was almost undetectable.
- 💪 After injury recovery and gynecomastia removal, there was a concern about a clicking sensation in the arm, possibly indicating another issue.
- 🤔 The use of various peptides, including PPC-157, TB-500, GHK-Cu, and GH, was part of the recovery process, but their effectiveness was subjective.
- 🏋️♂️ The individual disregarded medical advice and started training again after gynecomastia removal, focusing on legs and triceps.
- 🚫 The individual experienced mood swings and depression when estrogen levels were too low, highlighting the importance of hormonal balance.
- 💊 Long-term use of aromatase inhibitors can have detrimental effects on health, including heart issues and reduced libido.
- 📉 The individual's physique suffered due to inactivity during recovery, but they believe it can be restored with proper workouts and nutrition.
- 🔄 The struggle with gynecomastia and the need to balance estrogen levels was a recurring issue, affecting both physical and emotional well-being.
- 🩺 The importance of regular blood work to monitor hormone levels and overall health was emphasized, especially when using performance-enhancing substances.
- 💉 The individual's experience suggests that suppressing estrogen too much can lead to various health issues, and a balanced approach is recommended.
- 🤝 The conversation underscored the value of sharing personal experiences to educate and help others make informed decisions about their health.
Q & A
What was the issue with the individual's blood work when they were suppressing estrogen?
-The individual's blood work showed that their estrogen levels were almost not detectable when they were on an aromatase inhibitor like Arimidex, indicating extreme suppression of estrogen.
What health issues did the individual experience as a result of low estrogen levels?
-The individual experienced mood swings, depression, and a decrease in libido, which are common side effects of low estrogen levels in men.
What was the individual's strategy for injury recovery?
-The individual used peptides such as PPC 157, TB 500, GHK-Cu, and growth hormone (GH) to aid in their recovery process.
How did the individual's bicep injury affect their training routine?
-The individual had to stop training for a period of time, and even after resuming, they had to be cautious and gradually build back up their strength.
What was the individual's experience with gynecomastia removal?
-The individual had gynecomastia removed and found that their recovery was going smoothly, although they experienced a 'clicking' sensation in their arm which was a concern.
What side effects did the individual experience from using aromatase inhibitors?
-The individual experienced a decrease in sexual performance and mood disturbances as a result of using aromatase inhibitors to suppress estrogen.
Why did the individual decide to stop using aromatase inhibitors?
-The individual stopped using aromatase inhibitors because of the negative side effects on their mood and sexual performance, and to allow their estrogen levels to return to a healthier range.
What advice does the individual give regarding the use of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and aromatase inhibitors?
-The individual advises against long-term use of aromatase inhibitors and suggests that individuals on TRT should monitor their estrogen levels and consider more frequent injections with smaller amounts to maintain a healthy balance.
What was the individual's view on the necessity of gynecomastia surgery for some individuals?
-The individual believes that for those who are very sensitive to estrogen and require aromatase inhibitors to prevent gynecomastia, surgery might be a necessary step to avoid long-term health issues.
How did the individual's perspective on health and hormone balance change after their experiences?
-The individual's perspective changed to prioritize a balanced approach to hormone levels, recognizing the importance of not suppressing estrogen to extreme levels for the sake of appearance or performance.
What is the individual's current approach to managing their hormones and health?
-The individual is now focusing on maintaining their hormones within a healthy range, avoiding the use of aromatase inhibitors unless absolutely necessary, and being more mindful of the long-term effects of hormone manipulation.
Outlines
💉 Hormonal Imbalance and Recovery Challenges
The speaker discusses the effects of suppressing estrogen levels with the use of Arimidex, which led to undetectable estrogen levels in past blood work. They share their experience with injury recovery, including the removal of gynecomastia and bicep reattachment, and express concerns about a clicking sensation in their arm. The conversation touches on the use of peptides like Ppc 157, TB 500, and GHK-Copper for recovery, and the potential benefits of these substances for healing and strength. The speaker also mentions the importance of blood work to monitor hormone levels and the impact of low estrogen on mood and overall well-being.
🌡 Impact of Hormonal Imbalance on Mood and Health
This paragraph delves into the psychological and physical effects of low estrogen levels, including mood swings and depression. The speaker recounts their experience with Letrozole and the drastic changes in their libido and social interactions. They emphasize the importance of maintaining healthy estrogen levels for overall life quality and discuss the potential risks of using hormone treatments without medical supervision. The speaker also shares their journey of balancing hormones and the relief they felt when their estrogen levels returned to a normal range.
🏥 The Decision for Gynecomastia Surgery and Hormonal Balance
The conversation focuses on the decision-making process leading to gynecomastia surgery and the subsequent benefits of having balanced hormones. The speaker reflects on the challenges of managing estrogen levels with the use of aromatase inhibitors and the potential long-term health risks associated with their use. They discuss the importance of adjusting hormone replacement therapy and considering surgery as a solution for those who are sensitive to hormonal fluctuations. The speaker also shares their improved quality of life post-surgery and the positive impact on their relationships and physical performance.
🤝 Conclusion on Hormonal Health and Personal Experiences
In the final paragraph, the speaker wraps up the discussion by emphasizing their genuine intent to share personal experiences to help others make informed decisions about their health. They advocate for transparency, honesty, and the importance of education, especially for the younger generation. The speaker expresses gratitude for the opportunity to share their story and the mutual understanding that comes from open dialogue about sensitive topics.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Estrogen
💡Aromatase Inhibitor
💡Gynecomastia
💡Peptides
💡Bicep Tear
💡TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy)
💡Injury Recovery
💡Mood Swings
💡Hormone Balance
💡Health Circle
💡Blood Work
Highlights
Suppressing estrogen to avoid gynecomastia can lead to undetectable levels, which may have long-term effects on tendons and overall mood.
The individual had a bicep reattachment and gynecomastia removal, with some concerns about a clicking sensation during movement.
Use of peptides such as PPC-157, TB-500, GHK-Cu, and GH for injury recovery and potential benefits in strength and prevention of future tears.
The uncertainty of how much peptides can accelerate recovery time, with anecdotal evidence suggesting improved quality of healing.
Return to training post-surgery with a gradual increase in intensity, focusing on non-injured body parts initially.
The potential link between aromatase inhibitors and bicep tear, highlighting the importance of balanced hormone levels for tendon health.
The experience of mood swings and depression when estrogen levels are too low, affecting quality of life significantly.
The importance of regular blood work to monitor hormone levels and ensure they are within a healthy range for overall health.
The discussion on the overuse of aromatase inhibitors in TRT clinics and the negative impacts on sexual function and mood.
The recommendation to increase injection frequency with smaller amounts of TRT to potentially reduce the need for aromatase inhibitors.
The consideration of gynecomastia surgery as a solution for those sensitive to aromatase inhibitors and the benefits post-surgery.
The potential benefits of having balanced hormones for improved sexual performance and mood, as experienced post-gynecomastia removal.
The personal anecdote of how low estrogen affected motivation and interest in social activities, emphasizing the importance of hormone balance.
The advice against self-medicating with testosterone injections without medical supervision due to the risks of imbalanced hormone levels.
The discussion on the potential for injury and heart issues related to long-term suppression of estrogen levels.
The importance of transparency and sharing personal experiences to educate others on the risks and benefits of hormone treatments.
The final thoughts on the significance of the conversation, aiming to provide valuable insights for listeners to make informed decisions about hormone treatments.
Transcripts
do you know what your blood work looked
like when you were like suppressing your
estrogen enough to not have dino flaring
up because i've seen
your blood work that you've sent me
today
that's on no arimidex right
yeah yeah that's the thing is the last
uh the last year when i was still on it
it was almost not detectable
it always came back estrogen not
detected oh my god dude that's wild
getting to your injury recovery and
whatnot how's everything going with your
you have the gyno removed you had the
bicep
reattach you know everything going
smoothly or any kind of hiccups or
houses
yeah yeah that's everything goes really
well i can't complain the only thing is
that when i move this arm i'm feeling
some kind of a click click click click
inside which
i hundred percent i can't tell what it
is it is a bit scary because i'm just
wondering like maybe did they when
cutting everything open
on mistake maybe cut through another
tendon of my forearm somewhere or
whatever you know hmm
geez
so that's a bit scary but besides that
i'm i'm i'm
people looking at me like they said i
can't believe um just to touch on that
real quick yeah i was using the peptides
to recover
oh yeah yeah which uh which peptides are
using like what did you end up doing the
ppc 157 and the tb 500 okay then the ghk
copper i was also using
nice what about gh did you end up using
that too
yeah gh also was using gh three units
two units
like i guess it's kind of horizontal
to tell if it helps because it's not
like you've ever had your bicep pop off
the [ __ ] bone before
but do you like do you think it's
helping or what do you think
i really was even asking my friends who
gave me these peptides i was like what
do you think like let's say a normal
like the doctor tells you it's eight
weeks okay so i'm like and if i use the
peptides is it then six weeks or what
you know like no one could give you any
reference of like if you use this your
recovery will be
faster but then another of my friends
said it might not speed up but it may
make it a stronger recovery so it would
heal more better in general just like
stronger and just preventing future
tears true true so are you still using
them right now or are you offered them
yeah now it's seven weeks i'm i'm still
using them okay cool every day are you
like uh allowed to train yet or like
what's the update on
like i'm saying um now i mean
as soon as i was able to do something i
just went
and i don't i don't care what the doctor
says
yeah as long as i can think that i can
do it i'll go and do it then the same
thing the gynecomastia 10 days after
i've been back and gym not that i was
training hard anyways or anything since
since i tore my biceps i'm having [ __ ]
workouts to be honest i'm doing a bit of
legs here a bit of this here the first
four weeks i didn't do anything
then i did something for like a week
like a bit of legs then i didn't remove
the gynecomastia so i did again not do
anything for like one week again and
then now just slowly getting back now i
start to pump up my triceps a bit left
and right arm then the left but not been
training at all for like seven eight
weeks now you know sadly because
i see my physique it's kind of like now
it starts to fade a bit but it's nothing
that it's not fixable with proper
workout and nutrition no you'll get it
back super quick for sure
um you think the aromatase inhibitor had
something to do with the the bicep tear
because you you mentioned like
a lot of people i don't think they
realize like it's not like it was
obvious you had gyno like a little bit
of gyno for
a while and i'm assuming you got that
from one of the first like the like dumb
cycles that we all did when you were
younger kind of thing yeah yeah it's
just first off it came it came like that
and then the one thing i can tell again
when i went to india right for this
movie that i did i did bring all my
supplements for the time of the stay so
then they extended to stay
for like three weeks and then i was like
yeah and what am i gonna do here now i
have no uh remy decks with me and then
just within one week it was already
there oh my god
damn so
and then once once something grows it's
there and it's just kind like i said it
can shrink it can get smaller and then i
was on that point where it was it was
really small if i suppress my estrogen
that much yeah but that would also long
term affect my tendons and then the most
important thing that i think had the
biggest effect on tiering my biceps is
the fact that i would record all my
videos everything with the left hand so
you always would see me with the left
side all my instagram videos everything
so when let's say i'm training and every
time i'm training my left arm would have
like 20 extra sets to get all these
videos in and after the last two years i
think over time that accumulated up to
stress that i'm too much and that would
just
yeah
yeah because you do some pretty like
aggressive like flexing videos too like
to get those shots with like your veins
looking crazy and [ __ ] yeah yeah i guess
after a while it like takes its toll
right
yeah that's that's what i believe and
then also like being that kind of dry
and being low in estrogen that much over
time it would have just
did its damage do you know what your
blood work looked like when you were
like suppressing your estrogen enough to
not have dino flaring up because i've
seen
your blood work that you sent me today
that's on no arimidex right
yeah yeah that's the thing is at the
last
the last year when i was still on it
it was almost not detectable
it it always came back estrogen not
detecting oh my god dude that's wild
yeah yeah that's
good that you got this removed man
because that's like brutal for your
heart for your brain for like everything
look so then i would go back a month
later
test again not detectable and i was like
[ __ ] do they what can i do but then i
would stop the redex or something one
week later my nipples would burn and
stuff and i'm just like what the hell
can i do man i i need to suppress it but
not because i want to look dry but just
because of the kind of would otherwise
grow yeah but then i don't want to
suppress it because it would also not
it's not good if it's not detectable so
then like when i now um came off the
arena decks and all that stuff for like
the seven weeks or eight weeks
um did the blood work now it came back
properly in range which was making me
super happy that's also
my mood just feels better now it feels
like now i'm
i'm getting set up dude when you're low
estrogen i've like mood swings feeling
depressed like i would stop caring even
like when i took letrozole when i was
younger when i was trying to like dry
out back when i used to cut on like tran
master on all that kind of [ __ ] i took
letrozole to kill my estrogen to get
like dry
i literally stopped giving a [ __ ] about
women entirely i was just like asexual
didn't give a [ __ ] about anything
i like i like stopped talking to girls i
was just like [ __ ] everything like
nothing matters in life just super like
nothing like everything in life just
like feels it's like black and white
like there's no color in life
yeah people underestimate that thing
that is why it's also not just get the
next best test bottle from your local
dealer and start to shooting it no man
it's about you if you do this you need
to make sure that you go to the doctor
and you check something is in range or
if it's just not in range because it
would affect your
overall life too much just too much and
that's the thing like i went to the
workbook and checked this
then i would even have another video
from a blood work which i checked and
then my test was [ __ ] because then i
come back i'm natural and i'm just like
technically i couldn't be natural
because i'm on test replacement
territory but it means then that my
product is not good which then comes
back to this point that's not the best
year in thailand
um
but yeah i definitely
i'm really happy that my ostriches now
is back in range makes you feel better
and all that so if someone wants to take
here go ahead but also consider the fact
that you might sometimes need to spend
some money on doing blood works just
really quick tony
this is the the most
genuine guy that i know he's he's since
let's say he had uh
the flu mm-hmm yeah
you had it yeah and and then since since
he was since he's over it he was do his
blood work three times already so he
would anyways almost weekly be there
checking this doing this checking it and
maybe taking gh immediately checking if
the gh is any good and all that stuff
and just like checking on the things
because thinking like yeah how i feel
like obviously i think my estrogen is in
range i think this is good i think yeah
what do you think might not be true and
you need the actual data to make sure
that your performance is good
yeah yeah this is like why i always talk
about like the importance of having
normal estrogen levels because so many
trt clinics will just throw people on
arimidex
just because they think you need to have
like estrogen's bad needs to be like
zero in order to be you know more
masculine because men shouldn't have
estrogen and it'll it'll [ __ ] you up
dude it'll make your dick not work make
you more prone to injury yeah make you
feel terrible
make your you depressed
obviously so i in my opinion approach
would be let your estrogen come up up up
and then try to suppress it to a healthy
range or a level instead of just trying
to say like in general it's just [ __ ]
like this is like people they say yeah
even you should anyways use the ring
election uh uh
romacino or something your literal soul
and then just like no dude because you
should just not use it at all and then
once you think you start to get high
estrogen that's when you start to bring
it in yeah and then you bring it in if
it's a fact that it's high and not just
like because you are thinking it's high
it's probably better to check real quick
and then just try to keep it in some
range obviously having it too high is
also not good makes you feel moody
and like a girl somehow
yeah like your gyno video where you were
talking about this was like before the
injury and before everything
you were kind of touching on how you
just need to kind of get it removed so
you don't have to deal with the
aromatase inhibitors and like i kind of
i kind of i agree that like for you
you're so sensitive to it that if you
literally need to take an ai just to run
like trt
like at that point surgery is definitely
a no-brainer for sure and i think a lot
of people definitely need it i
think about that i don't mind even to
come out with one thing i won't mind
come out so let's say look so i have a
girlfriend right so either
so i want to have some fun right so yeah
so i'm not using so i'm not using the
arimidex so i let my estrogen come back
up
so my performance is good yeah in bed
then i would get the gyno again i'm like
ah [ __ ] my nipples bruh [ __ ] i need to
take the tablet then you might take
because then you're like oh my god i
need to fix this real quick so then you
might take a whole arimidex tablet
instead of maybe taking a quarter or
half a tablet then you suppress the
estrogen too much again then you
performance the [ __ ] again
then you're like oh my god then you let
your estrogen come back up then the gyno
starts again yeah then you know so it
was it was always like it was a hell
like a circle of health right like i was
not sure like how can i fix this the
only thing that i knew is i need to
remove this otherwise i will never find
it like when your estrogen's low too
even if you take cialis even if you take
viagra like you'll still have shitty not
high quality erections like it's not you
can't even function when your estrogen's
in the toilet so like i think anybody
who literally needs an aromatase
inhibitor to not get gyno on like trt
amounts
like my first suggestion is always like
increase your injection frequency to
like more frequent painting with smaller
amounts to see if you can get away with
removing the ai because for some people
that works going to like daily like
micro shots but beyond that
saving up for gyno surgery because you
can't live on arimidex like
crushing your estrogen to single digits
or undetectable like your whole life
it'll like it'll [ __ ] you up like your
heart
that's what
my doctor said also back in the days he
was like bruh long term you really need
to try to fix this because you can't and
then i just said yeah but what should i
do dear doctor i take out the ais yeah
and then i would get the gynu then they
say yeah i use tamoxifen but i use
tamoxifen ryloxyphene and chlorine it
would just somehow not work for me for
whatever reason i would i would still
have the problems i would feel my
nipples are sensitive and stuff so i was
like if people have an issue with that
stuff and
yet at one point you might consider the
surgery
yeah honestly i think i as [ __ ] up as
it sounds i think the bicep thing might
have been like a blessing in disguise
because when you're injured you were
like okay i'm injured anyway so i'm
gonna get the gyno taken out which maybe
you wouldn't have otherwise and now you
can get your estrogen up whereas like
besides the fact that it made you injury
prone like eventually that would have
[ __ ] up your heart dude so it's good
that you got that removed
i
i tell you real quick i i was having the
time of my life you know like the last
six eight weeks and stuff even because i
have my girlfriend this is such a great
time even though my biceps was [ __ ]
but just because like my hormones were
in balance yeah while before that i was
crushing my estrogen and stuff and i
would just still be like not feeling
good
yeah no that's good to hear man i'm glad
you got that sorted because that's like
long term that would have definitely
[ __ ] you up so i'm glad to hear that
and i think it was a blocking disguise
for sure
it already [ __ ] up the biceps kinda
and it's it's it's that i'm already was
like one two years on the ais anyway
right yeah it was weird because it
always started after this india thing
before that i would use my trt and not
use any
ai because i would have just not needed
it and then once the lump once the lump
would grow once it was there it would
always start to do something it would
always eat it and go bigger and it would
be like today in the morning i wake up
it's super small in the evening it's
huge
yeah
i mean anyways my gyno wasn't like like
crazy big yeah just talking about like a
like a small nut
but knowing that it could have gotten
worse you know if you left it so yeah
exactly obviously for you taking
pictures all the time like eventually it
would have gotten to a point where it
would be
obvious and like you know affect your
physique and whatnot so
yeah
good man you got that [ __ ] sorted um
i think we've been on for like two hours
already man i appreciate your time we
need to i need to make a move also
because my entire teacher is coming now
okay really thanks a lot for the video
it was great to talk yeah i mean i think
we've we've exposed or we've given a lot
of information about myself and what i
did and maybe some good um experience
reviewer like
something that people can listen to
and make their resume themselves make
some decisions by the stuff that they
were now hearing from us and trust trust
trust us i mean i always just want the
best for everyone if i say something i
really just want to help people and i
just mean it good i don't want to i i
also have never been a sellout in my
life like i've never just tried to go
for the money part and [ __ ] everything
else just really if i if i say something
i really mean it and i really just try
to help people and inspire and motivate
and spread good vibes have a good time
and that's it appreciate your
transparency man i appreciate you coming
on talking about all the stuff not a lot
of people would be open and honest about
this stuff and definitely helping the
younger generation especially educate
themselves on how to stay safer and how
to not [ __ ] themselves up and um
inspiring at the same time man so i
appreciate it and
let me uh sign off here
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