How Dune Gets Religious Psychology Exactly Right

Genetically Modified Skeptic
9 Apr 202415:24

Summary

TLDRDieses Video diskutiert die Darstellung von Religion in 'Dune' und deren Einfluss auf die Gesellschaft. Es erläutert, wie die Fremmen ihre soziale Ordnung durch religiöse Rituale und Tabus stärken und wie diese Praktiken der Kohärenz und Langlebigkeit dienen. Es vergleicht diese Darstellung mit modernen wissenschaftlichen Theorien wie Richard Sosa's 'costly signaling Theory' und Joseph Henrik's 'credibility enhancing displays', um zu zeigen, wie 'Dune' die Psychologie der Religion korrekt verstanden hat, obwohl das Buch 1965 veröffentlicht wurde, lange vor diesen wissenschaftlichen Erkenntnissen.

Takeaways

  • 📚 Das Video diskutiert die Darstellung von Religion im Film 'Dune' und deren Echtheit in Bezug auf wissenschaftliche Theorien.
  • 🔮 Die Erzählung von 'Dune' wird für ihre detaillierte und plausible Abbildung der Religionspsychologie gelobt.
  • 💧 Die Beschreibung der heiligen Teiche der Fremen im Film spiegelt die Theorie des kostspieligen Signalings von Richard Sosa wider.
  • 🙏 Die religiösen Rituale und Tabus der Fremen sind ein kluger Handel, der Wasser gegen die Kohärenz und Langzeitstabilität ihrer Gesellschaft eintauscht.
  • 🌵 Die Fremen-Kultur im Süden von Dune ist egalitär, konfliktarm und resilient, was einer Studie zufolge auf ihre religiösen Praktiken zurückzuführen ist.
  • 🤔 Die Diskussion um Chani und ihre Sicht auf die religiösen Ansichten der Fremen zeigt die Ambivalenz zwischen religiöser Ergebenheit und politischem Aktivismus.
  • 🌪 Die Verbindung zwischen inhospiten Umgebungen und religiöser Leidenschaft im Film findet ECHOs in der Realität, wo Katastrophen die Religiosität steigern können.
  • 🔄 Die Theorie der Credibility Enhancing Displays (Creds) wird im Film veranschaulicht, wie religiöse Selbstopfer die Glaubwürdigkeit einer Religion stärken.
  • ⚔️ Religiosität kann den Kriegswillen steigern, was im Film durch die Bereitschaft der südlichen Fundamentalisten, für den erwarteten Mahdi zu kämpfen, dargestellt wird.
  • 🔄 Es wird diskutiert, dass es eine potenzielle Schleife gibt, in der Kriegsnotstände religiöse Begeisterung anregen und diese wiederum den Kriegswillen.
  • 🕊️ Der Film 'Dune' zeigt die psychologischen Mechanismen hinter der Religion mit einer Genauigkeit, die erstaunlich ist, vor allem da viele der zitierten Theorien erst Jahrzehnte später entwickelt wurden.

Q & A

  • Was ist das Hauptthema des Videos?

    -Das Hauptthema des Videos ist die Darstellung der Religionspsychologie im Film 'Dune' und wie sie mit modernen wissenschaftlichen Theorien übereinstimmt.

  • Welche wissenschaftliche Theorie wird im Video in Bezug auf die heiligen Teiche der Fremen diskutiert?

    -Die Theorie des kostspieligen Signalings von Richard Sosa wird diskutiert, um die Praxis der Fremen zu erklären, den Wasserstoff von toten Fremen in heilige Teiche zu legen.

  • Was ist der Zusammenhang zwischen kostspieligen Opfern und der Lebensdauer einer Gemeinschaft?

    -Laut Richard Sosa besteht ein Zusammenhang zwischen der Anzahl der von einer Gemeinschaft verlangten kostspieligen Opfer und ihrer Lebensdauer; je mehr Opfer verlangt, desto länger überlebt die Gemeinschaft.

  • Wie erklärt der Sprecher die Stabilität und Kohärenz der Fremen-Gesellschaft?

    -Die Sprecherin erklärt, dass die Stabilität und Kohärenz der Fremen-Gesellschaft durch ihre religiösen Rituale und Tabus erreicht wird, die einen kostbaren Austausch von Wasser gegen die Kohärenz und Lebensdauer ihrer sozialen Ordnung darstellen.

  • Was ist das Konzept der 'credibility-enhancing displays' oder 'Creds'?

    -Creds beziehen sich auf kostspielige religiöse Handlungen, die die Beobachter dazu bringen, die religiösen Ideale der Ansässigen als glaubwürdig zu sehen, da sie bereit sind, für ihre Überzeugungen zu opfern.

  • Wie beeinflusst die Religion die Handlungen der Fremen im Film 'Dune'?

    -Die Religion leitet die Handlungen der Fremen im Film sowohl in Bezug auf das Warten auf den Messias als auch auf den Kampf neben Paul, und stärkt ihre soziale Kohäsion und Anziehungskraft.

  • Welche Rolle spielt die Religion in der Bewältigung von Krisen und Katastrophen?

    -Religion kann bei der Bewältigung von Krisen und Katastrophen helfen, indem sie den Betroffenen ein Gefühl der Zusammengehörigkeit und Stabilität gibt und ihnen hilft, Angst zu reduzieren.

  • Wie kann religiöse Fundamentalismus zum Krieg beitragen?

    -Religióser Fundamentalismus kann zum Krieg beitragen, indem er eine größere Bereitschaft zur Unterstützung von extremen militärischen Interventionen fördert und durch die Schaffung von Feedback-Schleifen zwischen Religion und Konflikt.

  • Was sind die 'ultimate sacred postulates' und wie wirken sie sich auf die Stabilität einer Religion aus?

    -Die 'ultimate sacred postulates' sind unverifizierbare, ultimative Glaubenssätze, die eine Religion unveränderlich und potenziell ewig wahr erscheinen lassen, was zu ihrer Stabilität beiträgt.

  • Wie hat sich der Film 'Dune' mit der Psychologie der Religion bewährt?

    -Der Film 'Dune' hat sich hervorragend mit der Psychologie der Religion bewährt, indem er viele der in den letzten 30 Jahren entwickelten wissenschaftlichen Theorien über Religion und Gesellschaft in seine Handlung integriert hat.

Outlines

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📚 Analyse der Religion in 'Dune'

Dieses Video skizziert die Darstellung der Religion im Film 'Dune' und deren Einfluss auf die Gesellschaft. Der Sprecher diskutiert, wie die religiösen Praktiken der Fremen, insbesondere die Tabus und Rituale, die Kohärenz und Langlebigkeit ihrer Gesellschaft stärken. Er bezieht sich auf die 'costly signaling Theory' von Richard Sosa, die besagt, dass religiöse Gemeinschaften, die kostbare Opfer von ihren Mitgliedern verlangen, länger überdauern. Der Sprecher betont, dass diese Rituale und Tabus die wahre Quelle der 'Wüstenkraft' sind, die die Fremen ausmacht.

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🌟 Die Macht der religiösen Rituale und Glaubensrichtungen

Der zweite Absatz konzentriert sich auf die unverifizierbaren und damit potentiell ewigen Glaubensrichtungen der Religionen und deren Stabilität im Vergleich zu säkularen Ritualen. Es wird erklärt, wie die religiöse Fundamentalisten im Süden von Dune durch ihre unerschütterliche Glaubensrichtung und rituellen Praktiken die harte Lebensbedingungen überleben und wie diese Praktiken die Anziehungskraft von Religion haben, insbesondere in instabilen oder feindseligen Umgebungen. Des Weiteren wird die Verbindung zwischen religiöser Begeisterung und Unterstützung für militärische Interventionen diskutiert.

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🛡️ Glaubensbekenntnisse und ihre Auswirkungen auf Glauben und Gesellschaft

In diesem Abschnitt wird die Theorie der 'credibility-enhancing displays' oder 'Creds' von Joseph Henrik erörtert. Es wird erklärt, wie teure religiöse Handlungen die Glaubwürdigkeit von religiösen Idealen in den Augen von Beobachtern erhöhen. Der Sprecher diskutiert, wie Paul Atreides diese Prinzipien bewusst und unbewusst nutzt, um das Vertrauen der Fremen in ihn und seine Rolle in der Prophezeiung zu stärken, ohne dabei ein Märtyrer zu werden. Zudem wird die Fähigkeit von religiösen Figuren, durch das Aufzeigen von Creds, die Unterstützung von Glaubensgemeinschaften zu erhöhen, hervorgehoben.

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🌍 Die zeitlose Relevanz von 'Dune' für die Religionspsychologie

Der vierte und letzte Absatz lobt die Vorhersagbarkeit von Frank Herberts 'Dune' in Bezug auf die Psychologie der Religion, die Jahrzehnte vor der Entwicklung entsprechender wissenschaftlicher Theorien im 20. Jahrhundert geschrieben wurde. Der Sprecher fragt das Publikum nach ihrer Meinung zu der Originalität der Betrachtung und nach möglichen Fehlinterpretationen des Themas in 'Dune'. Zudem werden Ressourcen für Apostaten bereitgestellt und die Zuschauer aufgefordert, in den Kommentaren freundlich zu sein.

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Keywords

💡Dune

Dune ist ein Science-Fiction-Roman von Frank Herbert, der 1965 veröffentlicht wurde und auch in ein Filmformat umgewandelt wurde. Im Video wird Dune als Werk, das die Psychologie der Religion sehr gut darstellt, herangezogen. Es dient als zentrales Thema, um die verschiedenen Aspekte der Religion und ihre Auswirkungen auf die Gesellschaft und die Handlung im Film zu diskutieren.

💡Religion

Religion ist ein Kernkonzept im Video und bezieht sich auf die Glaubenssysteme und spirituellen Praktiken, die im Dune-Universum eine zentrale Rolle spielen. Die Erörterung von Religion im Video fokussiert auf ihre Funktion in der fan'schen Gesellschaft und wie sie die Handlungen der Charaktere und die gesellschaftlichen Strukturen beeinflusst.

💡Costly Signaling Theory

Die teure Signaltheorie ist ein Konzept, das von Richard Sosa geprägt wurde und im Video als Erklärungsmodell für die langfristige Stabilität und Kohärenz der fan'schen Gesellschaft herangezogen wird. Es besagt, dass die Forderung nach teuren Opfern von Gemeinschaftsmitgliedern zu einer höheren Dauerhaftigkeit der Gemeinschaft führt, was im Dune-Film durch die Praxis der heiligen Wassergewinnung und -aufbewahrung illustriert wird.

💡Fremen

Die Fremen sind eine Nomaden- und Kriegergemeinschaft in Dune, die die Wüste von Arrakis bewohnt. Im Video werden ihre religiösen Bräuche und Rituale als ein Beispiel für die teure Signaltheorie diskutiert, insbesondere die Praxis, das Wasser von verstorbenen Fremen in heiligen Pools zu sammeln und nicht zu trinken, was als ein Symbol für die Wertschätzung von Wasser und die religiöse Kohärenz der Gemeinschaft dient.

💡Prophezeiung

Die Prophezeiung bezieht sich im Kontext des Videos auf die Vorhersagen und Erwartungen der Fremen, die auf den Erlöser (den 'Muad'Dib') warten. Die Rolle der Prophezeiung ist entscheidend für die Handlung von Dune und wird im Video als ein Beispiel für die Macht von religiösen Überzeugungen und wie sie die Handlungen der Charaktere lenken.

💡Soziale Kohäsion

Soziale Kohäsion ist die Stabilität und Einheit einer Gruppe oder Gesellschaft. Im Video wird argumentiert, dass die religiösen Rituale und Tabus der Fremen zu einer starken sozialen Kohäsion beitragen, was ihre Gesellschaft vor internen Konflikten und äußeren Bedrohungen stabilisiert.

💡Ultime Sakrale Postulate

Ultime Sakrale Postulate sind unverifizierbare, aber möglicherweise ewig wahr bleibende religiöse Überzeugungen, die im Video als ein Grund für die Stabilität und Langzeitwirkung von religiösen Überzeugungen diskutiert werden. Sie sind für die Anhänger als notwendig und unvermeidlich angesehen, was sie von weltlichen Ritualen abhebt, die als willkürlich wahrgenommen werden könnten.

💡Religiosität

Religiosität beschreibt die Intensität und Ausprägung von religiösen Überzeugungen und Praktiken einer Person oder einer Gruppe. Im Video wird die religiösität der Fremen als ein Faktor für ihre Zusammenhalt und ihr Überleben in einer unwirtlichen Umgebung hervorgehoben.

💡Credibility Enhancing Displays (Creds)

Credibility Enhancing Displays, abgekürzt als Creds, beziehen sich auf kostspielige Verhaltensweisen, die religiösen Idealen zugeschrieben werden und die Glaubwürdigkeit einer Religionsgemeinschaft stärken. Im Video wird dies anhand des Verhaltens von Paul Atreides und seiner Auseinandersetzung mit dem Fremen-Propheten und dem Imperator diskutiert.

💡Fundamentalismus

Fundamentalismus ist eine strenge und oft dogmatische Auslegung religiöser Überzeugungen, die im Video als ein Faktor für die Bereitschaft der südlichen Fremen zur Kriegsführung diskutiert wird. Er wird als eine Bewegung beschrieben, die von der Härte der Umgebung und dem Glauben an die Prophezeiung motiviert wird.

Highlights

The video discusses the depiction of religion in 'Dune' and its alignment with modern theories of religious psychology.

The overlap between people familiar with 'Dune' and those knowledgeable in religious psychology is likely small, suggesting a fresh perspective for many viewers.

The video explores the concept of 'costly signaling theory' by Richard Sosa, as it relates to the Fremen's sacred pools and their taboo against drinking from them.

Sosa's theory links the longevity of religious communes to the number of costly sacrifices demanded from their members.

The Fremen's taboo against using the sacred pools' water is presented as a significant social sacrifice that contributes to the stability and longevity of their society.

The video contrasts secular and religious communes, noting that costly sacrifices have a more profound impact on the latter's longevity.

Religious rituals and taboos are highlighted as a source of social power and cohesion among the Fremen.

Chani's perspective on the Fremen's religious views and the prophecy is discussed, emphasizing her secular motivations and the critique of religious complacency.

The video examines the role of unfalsifiable religious beliefs in reinforcing social customs and cohesion, as opposed to secular rituals.

The association between inhospitable environments and increased religious fervor is discussed, with examples from real-world natural disasters and conflicts.

The potential for a vicious cycle between war hardship, religious fervor, and support for military interventions is introduced.

The film's depiction of 'credibility-enhancing displays' or 'creds' is analyzed, showing how costly religious behaviors can influence observers' perceptions of a belief's credibility.

Empirical evidence supporting the 'creds' theory is presented, linking exposure to religious costly displays with stronger belief in God.

The video discusses how Paul Atreides uses 'creds' to reinforce the Fremen's belief in him and the prophecy, without becoming a martyr.

The remarkable alignment of 'Dune's' narrative with psychological and anthropological theories developed decades later is praised.

The video concludes by inviting viewers to share their thoughts on the original take on 'Dune' and its portrayal of religious psychology.

A call to action for viewers to subscribe for more content and to utilize the resources provided for apostates in need of community and mental health support.

Transcripts

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great another video about Dune I bet

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it's so original and makes points no one

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has ever heard before Fair Point there

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hypothetical commenter none of my

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discussion of scientific theories here

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will be new information to those who are

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extremely familiar with the past two

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decades of scholarship on religious

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psychology nor will my praise of dun's

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depiction of religion surprise those

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familiar with the story I'm betting

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though that the overlap between these

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two groups of people is small enough

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that most of you will find this video

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original enough to leave me a like if by

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the end you don't go ahead and comment

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May thy YouTube career chip and shatter

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and I'll accept it also since any kind

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of Engagement helps it's kind of a win

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for me either

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way so yes religion in Dune is good and

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since Dune part two is still fresh in

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all of our minds I'll Focus my

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commentary on this film spoilers by the

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way when I saw the scene where sgar

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explains the sacred pools from which no

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fman would ever drink I was basically

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screaming that's totally in line with

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Richard Sosa's costly signaling Theory

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this is

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amazing but since Alamo Draft House

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Cinema apparently has a no tolerance

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policy for sharing even insightful

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commentary like mine this went

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completely unappreciated and my wife was

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pissed the whole ride home about this

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scene sgar explains that when a fan dies

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the water in their body is removed and

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put into one of the Fan's pools of of

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the Dead underground not even a fan

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dying of thirst would drink this water

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he tells lady Jessica it's sacred there

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are supposedly thousands of these pools

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and on a planet where the people won't

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even cry to mourn their dead because

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it's a waste of water having a taboo

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against using these millions of gallons

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seems like a colossal waste but from a

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sociological perspective it's absolutely

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brilliant in a study of 19th century

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communes anthropology Richard sosus

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found that religious communes endured

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far better than secular communes after

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analyzing every Factor he could sosus

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found that one variable coincided with a

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community's longevity more than any

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other the number of costly sacrifices a

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commune demanded from its members this

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included things like fasting abstinence

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from Alcohol Tobacco and certain foods

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conforming to a dress code or cutting

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off relationships with Outsiders the

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more sacrif prices a commune demanded

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the longer it lasted upholding an

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extreme taboo against drinking from this

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massive supply of water demands an

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extraordinary Sacrifice from every fman

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one which they're reminded of nearly

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every day in their sies in this way fman

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culture makes an ingenious tradeoff one

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precious resource water is traded for

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one even more valuable the coherence and

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longevity of their very social order

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from Society is pretty remarkable it's

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egalitarian relatively free of internal

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conflict extremely resilient and capable

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of overpowering the har Conan a group

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with vastly greater resources this is I

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think due in large part to their

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brilliant system of religious rituals

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and taboos to me this is the true source

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of so-called desert

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power

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Richard sosus found that secular

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communes which demanded costly

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sacrifices didn't see the same effect on

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their longevity that religious communes

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did he argued that this is because

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religious communes could sacralize their

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demands as Rapaport stated to invest

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social conventions with sanctity is to

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hide their arbitrariness in a cloak of

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seeming necessity Sanctified rituals

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Define what it is to be human for the

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believer Al though secular rituals can

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generate a sense of community and

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obligation toward group members their

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performers perceive them as

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capricious this brings me to channi and

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the perspective she voices about the

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Fan's religious views especially the

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prophecy she fights for the well-being

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of her people not because of any

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religious edict and she states the

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reasonable opinion that belief in the

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prophecy keeps the fmen complacent in

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their oppression just waiting around for

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their Messiah

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I and I'm sure most viewers sympathized

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with her perspective while also finding

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the way her thoughts fell on deaf fears

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to be painfully

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realistic so why can't the secular fman

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gain the social power of the religious

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Chan's secular motivations according to

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sosus could not demand unquestioning

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adherence thus reinforcing social custom

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and cohesion as well as religious

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ideology by directing rich ual's

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reference toward the unfalsifiable

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religions attach themselves to Ultimate

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beliefs that are unverifiable and hence

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potentially eternally true these

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ultimate sacred postulates are not

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subject to the vicissitudes of

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examination they are Beyond examination

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making them much Stabler reference than

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those employed by secular

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rituals we saw just how unfalsifiable

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sar's religious views were several times

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especially when he took Paul's denial of

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being the Mii as even further

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confirmation that he

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was another M will you please listen I

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am not the Messiah do you understand

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honestly only the true Messiah denies

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his divinity what what sort of J does

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that give me all right I am the Messiah

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he

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is it's no wonder then from an informed

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perspective that the religious

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ultimately directed The Fan's actions in

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both waiting for the MTI and fighting

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alongside

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Paul now let's talk about the

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fundamentalists in the South it's said

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in the film that nothing can survive

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down there without faith this

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association between inhospitable

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environments and increased levels of

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religious fervor is accurate to what we

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observe in the real

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world natural disasters are known to

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increase religiosity in those who

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experience them in 2011 an earthquake

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struck Christ Church New Zealand killing

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over 130 people and injuring hundreds

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more a longitudinal study was conducted

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on the population of the country and

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researchers found that there was a

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significant upturn in religious Faith

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among those who experienced the misery

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of New Zealand's most lethal natural

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disaster in 80

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years further in their research on War

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torn communities in Uganda Tajikistan

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and Sierra Leon a team of

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anthropologists led by Joseph Henrik

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found that people exposed to Violent

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conflict were more likely to attend

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religious services and participate in

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religious rituals why is this it seems

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that religious ritual can help reduce

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anxiety in unstable or hostile

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environments in a study of women

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impacted by the 2006 Lebanon war our

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friend Richard sosus and his co-author w

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pan handw worker found that women who

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regularly recited Psalms experienced

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lower rates of anxiety than those who

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didn't and the closer they were to the

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conflict the more the ritual reduced

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anxiety undoubtedly the fman in the

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South face existential threats on a

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daily basis given that the place is so

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uninhabitable that the har Conan didn't

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even think to look for them there this

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drives them to cling tightly to their

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religious beliefs and Customs which help

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them manage the near nearly impossible

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task of surviving in the southern

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hemisphere of

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araus Dune gets it right then that it's

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only certain people in the North in

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relatively less hostile environments

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that get by on their belief in freman

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rather than on the intense religious

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ritualization of everyday

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life another thing it gets right

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religious fundamentalism can motivate

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support for war in Dune it's basically a

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given that the southern fundamental will

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go to war by the millions if the MTI

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shows up to lead them accordingly

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research has found that among Americans

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religious fundamentalism was associated

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with greater support for extreme

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military

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interventions at this point some of you

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might have noticed the potential for a

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vicious cycle here the hardship of War

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can motivate religious fervor and

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religious fervor can motivate support

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for war Joseph Henrik suggests that

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through this relationship between

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religion and conflict there stands the

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possibility for feedback loops to

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develop one thing that's interesting to

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think about is I think there's other

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evidence that suggest that religions

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make people more Cooperative make them

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Bond better as a group lead to Greater

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solidarity so uh one possibility is that

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there have been historical feedbacks

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where religion led to a group say

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spreading widely diffusing and then the

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experience of War made them more

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religious and so you can imagine you get

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some kind of feedback loose there there

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could be various ways in which religion

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causes uh Warfare one would be that it

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it makes people more relig more

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Cooperative more parochial um more

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tightly bound as a group and then that

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group is able to uh Force its will or it

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believes it'll be more successful in

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conflict with other groups so in the

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next Dune film will we see this feedback

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loop in action if the holy war Paul

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foresees does come about we just might

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it depends on how the story is adapted

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for the screen but I think there's a

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good chance the next film will depict

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religious psychology just as accurately

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as dune part

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two finally we've got to talk about the

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film's incredible depiction of what

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Joseph Henrik calls credibility

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enhancing displays or creds for short

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this is another theory that revolves

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around costly religious behaviors toward

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the end of the film princess iron and

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Emperor shadam talk about how to deal

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with the uprising of the freman princess

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iron says if this mu Adib is a religious

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figure you can't use direct Force

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repression only makes religion flourish

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you'll only end up humiliating yourself

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prophets get stronger when they die now

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anyone familiar with the countless

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Christian and Muslim Martyrs know that

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last statement to be true but why is

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that according to henrik's theory of

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creds engaging in costly behaviors for

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the sake of your religion influences

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those in observation to see your

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religious ideals as credible after all

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if you're willing to sacrifice for a

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belief there must be something to that

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belief so if your religion requires say

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uh religious leaders priests whatever

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the whatever the relevant category is to

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engage in costly displays this could be

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um food tabos fouls of poverty um

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sacrifice walking on hot coals so

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there's a whole wide Ray of these things

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that you see across the world in

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different religions that makes them a

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more effective transmitter cuz when you

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see someone engage in one of these

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costly things like celibacy that doesn't

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seem like something someone would do

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unless they really believe the undying

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Supernatural beliefs I mean if you look

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at uh the role of martyrdom in religions

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um so you know Jesus or uh the early

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Christian Martyrs martyr themselves and

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they're willing to die for their beliefs

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that's persuasive to a learner that this

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person really believed in heaven or

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whatever they were whatever so mdom

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essentially being the

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ultimate display the ultimate cred

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interesting

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there is empirical support for this

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Theory by the way Henrik and his team

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have found that individuals who were

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exposed to high levels of religious

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creds by their caregivers were

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especially likely to report currently

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believing in the existence of God with

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high certainty conversely those exposed

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to especially low levels of religious

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creds were most likely to currently

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report a lack of belief in God with high

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certainty they also found that verbal

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expressions of Rel ious belief and

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prodding of one's children to believe

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have limited efficacy in the absence of

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creds so princess Iran was right that

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prophets get stronger when they die as

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their death functions as the strongest

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possible cred for their belief system

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still though Paul was able to use ceds

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both intentionally and unintentionally

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to shore up the fen's belief in him

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without becoming a martyr Paul fights

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alongside the fman constantly risking

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his life for their cause this earns him

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a place among the fedin but also even

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though Paul does not mean for this to

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reinforce anyone's belief in his place

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in the prophecy it absolutely does

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certain Believers become even more

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confident that Paul knows on some level

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that he is the lisan alib that is ced's

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in action after Paul drinks the Water of

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Life though he seems to purposely use

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creds to his Advantage he gains enough

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pressence to know that fighting the

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emperor's Champion fade Rafa will injure

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but not kill him others don't know this

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though fighting fade seems like a

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massive risk to everyone else except

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maybe lady

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Jessica it appears that Paul is willing

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to die for his belief in the prophecy

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and his place in it this is very nearly

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what Henrik calls the ultimate cred so

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by fighting fade Paul massively boost

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others faith in the prophecy and in him

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all without actually paying the full

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price of this costly display okay let me

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tell you why I think it's so remarkable

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that this story gets so much right about

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the psychology of religion all of the

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research I cited in this video was done

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within the last 30 years and much of it

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within the last 15 Frank Herbert

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published Dune in

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1965

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Herbert was an experienced journalist

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and apparently learned a good deal from

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two psychologist friends of his in the

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1950s but to write something this in

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line with psychological and

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anthropological theories that would only

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be devised decades later is just

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astounding so let me know what you think

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was this enough of an original take on

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Dune to be worth watching is there

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anything I missed is there anything you

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think Dune gets wrong about the

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psychology of religion I look forward to

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