Immigration is Bad For Britain | Godfrey Bloom
Summary
TLDRThe speaker acknowledges the positive contributions of immigrants throughout history to the UK, including Polish, religious refugees, West Indians, and Asians from Uganda. However, they express concern about the country's capacity due to its crowded nature and the strain on the welfare state. They advocate for a controlled immigration system that selects who enters based on skills and need, rather than an open-door policy, which they deem unsustainable and potentially harmful to the community.
Takeaways
- 🗣️ The speaker corrects a misconception about 'Bongoland' and suggests looking up 'y86' for clarification.
- 🎤 The speaker expresses honor at being invited to the Oxford Union and Pocklington Rugby Club's anniversary dinner.
- 📝 The main topic of discussion is the motion that 'we've had too much immigration since the War', which the speaker is addressing.
- 🌍 The speaker argues that immigration is like a 'curro's egg', meaning it can be good in parts, and emphasizes the importance of focusing on the motion at hand.
- 👨👩👧👦 The speaker shares personal connections to immigrants, being married into a Polish immigrant family and having lived among various immigrant communities.
- 🏛️ Historically, the speaker acknowledges the positive contributions of immigrants such as gold and silver smiths, and those who helped drain the fens in East Anglia.
- 🎾 The speaker fondly remembers West Indians who came to the UK, highlighting their love for cricket and their positive impact on the community.
- 👥 The speaker defends the hardworking Asian immigrants who came to the UK after being expelled from Uganda, noting their entrepreneurial spirit.
- 🌱 The speaker acknowledges the UK as a crowded piece of real estate and suggests that an open-door policy could be a 'recipe for disaster'.
- 🤔 The speaker, identifying as a classical liberal, expresses concern about the welfare state and the implications of large-scale immigration on social services.
- 🏘️ The speaker criticizes the government's housing policies and the impact of immigration on youth unemployment, advocating for a controlled immigration system.
Q & A
What is the speaker's stance on immigration in general?
-The speaker acknowledges that immigration can be beneficial and has historical examples of immigrants contributing positively to society, but suggests that there might be too much immigration in recent decades.
What is the 'Bongoland' the speaker initially corrects to 'y86'?
-The term 'Bongoland' is not clearly defined in the script, but the speaker corrects it to 'y86,' which seems to be a code or term that the speaker suggests can be found through a Google search.
What social events is the speaker attending?
-The speaker is attending the Oxford Union and Pocklington Rugby Club's anniversary dinner, indicating a level of prestige and community involvement.
What is the motion being discussed in the script?
-The motion being discussed is whether the country has had too much immigration since the War, with a focus on the impact of immigration on society and the economy.
How does the speaker's family background relate to the topic of immigration?
-The speaker is married into a Polish immigrant family, which provides a personal connection to the topic and adds credibility to his perspective on immigration.
What historical examples of immigration does the speaker mention?
-The speaker mentions religious refugees who brought skills such as gold and silver smithing, people from the low countries who helped drain the fens, West Indians who contributed to the Health Service and Transport Services, and Asians from Uganda who brought entrepreneurial spirit.
What is the speaker's view on the current state of the UK in terms of population?
-The speaker describes the UK as one of the most crowded pieces of real estate on the planet, indicating that the country is full and may not be able to accommodate more immigrants comfortably.
What economic perspective does the speaker claim to hold?
-The speaker identifies as a classical liberal and a Neo Austrian Economist, suggesting a preference for free markets and potentially less government intervention, including in the area of welfare.
What is the speaker's proposal regarding the immigration system?
-The speaker proposes a system where the UK works out who they want to come in, similar to the immigration policies of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, focusing on bringing in people with needed skills.
How does the speaker feel about the welfare state in relation to immigration?
-The speaker expresses concern about the welfare state, suggesting that new immigrants should not expect the same level of benefits as citizens, and implies a preference for a more selective immigration policy.
What is the main concern the speaker has about an open-door policy for immigration?
-The speaker is concerned that an open-door policy could lead to overpopulation and strain on resources, as well as a potential negative impact on the community due to a lack of integration and distinction between new and established immigrants.
Outlines
🌍 Immigration Perspectives and Personal Anecdotes
The speaker begins by correcting a geographical misconception about 'Bongoland' and then transitions into a discussion about their experiences with various immigration events in the UK. They highlight their personal connection to Polish immigrants through their in-laws, who were successful and well-integrated post-war immigrants. The speaker also acknowledges the historical contributions of religious refugees and other immigrant groups to British society, such as gold and silver smiths, Dutch engineers, West Indians in the health and transport sectors, and Ugandan Asians with entrepreneurial spirit. Despite these positive examples, the speaker suggests that the UK is now 'full' and that the welfare state system, which provides extensive social support, might be strained by an open-door policy on immigration. They advocate for a more controlled immigration system that considers the UK's capacity and the potential impact on existing communities.
🏗️ Addressing Immigration and the Welfare State
Continuing the discourse on immigration, the speaker emphasizes the practical implications of an open-door policy, particularly in terms of housing and employment. They express concern about the UK's high youth unemployment rate and argue that significant immigration does not align with economic logic in areas with such challenges. The speaker advocates for a selective immigration system similar to those in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, where immigrants are admitted based on needed skills. They also address the potential negative impacts of an open-door policy on long-standing immigrant communities, who could be unfairly conflated with new arrivals. The speaker refutes the notion that most immigrants come for welfare benefits, asserting that this is an absurd assumption. The paragraph concludes with a reiteration of the motion at hand: that the UK has experienced excessive immigration since the war, which the speaker supports.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Immigration
💡Oxford Union
💡Polish Immigrant Family
💡Religious Refugees
💡Low Countries
💡West Indians
💡Uganda
💡Welfare State
💡Neo Austrian Economist
💡Youth Unemployment
💡Open Door Policy
Highlights
Speaker corrects a misconception about 'Bongoland' and clarifies it as 'y86', suggesting to Google the code for verification.
Speaker expresses excitement about being invited to the Oxford Union and Pocklington Rugby Club's anniversary dinner.
The speaker emphasizes the importance of focusing on the motion about post-War immigration levels.
Speaker argues that immigration is like a 'curry's egg', being good in parts, and should be carefully considered.
Personal opinion shared that there might have been too much immigration in the last 20 to 30 years.
Speaker's connection to a Polish immigrant family, highlighting the positive contributions of immigrants.
Historical perspective on religious refugees and their positive impact on London's economy and culture.
Acknowledgment of the skills and contributions brought by immigrants from the low countries to England's agriculture.
Recollection of West Indians' significant contributions to the UK, especially in the Health Service and Transport Services.
Speaker's personal experience living among West Indian immigrants and their positive influence on community life.
Discussion of the entrepreneurial spirit of Asians who came to the UK after being expelled from Uganda.
The speaker's stance as a classical liberal and his nuanced view on the free movement of labor.
Concerns raised about the UK's welfare state and the implications of large-scale immigration on social services.
Argument made against an open-door policy, suggesting it could lead to negative consequences.
Proposal for a controlled immigration system that brings in people based on skill needs.
Concern for the impact of high immigration levels on the UK's housing and infrastructure.
Speaker's view on the economic sense of immigration in relation to high youth unemployment rates.
Final commendation of the motion regarding the country having seen too much immigration since the War.
Transcripts
if I may put you right on one thing
bongoland is actually
y86 and if you Google that code you'll
find it uh I only found that out myself
the other day um great thing about
politics is that tonight it's the Oxford
Union and I'm very flattered to be
invited and tomorrow night it's
pocklington rugby clubs uh anniversary
dinner and I rather suspect on both
occasions I will be the worst for where
um can I just again as our introducing
speaker uh suggested draw your
attention to the actual motion here the
motion isn't about whether immigration
is a good or bad thing immigration of
course is like the curro's egg it's good
in
parts so I would argue that we must pay
attention to that particular motion of
the em motion being we've had too much
immigration since the War I wouldn't
even argue that myself I would say
perhaps we've had too much immigration
in the last 20 or 30
years I'm married into a Polish
immigrant family my father-in-law uh
finished up after the war he was a tank
commander uh with uh the first polish
armor division uh he was a successful
businessman successful enough to send
two children through public school he
was a pillar of the community and a
great benefactor for Char
charity who would suggest for one moment
he wasn't welcome certainly not me and
of course we look back historically
don't we we look back at those uh
turbulent times in Europe and we see
those religious
refugees uh who came to us and they
brought their
skills uh the gold Smiths and silver
Smiths which parts of London and that
part of London in and around Hatton
Garden still benefit today who would
suggest that they weren't welcome
certainly not me what about the uh the
people from the low countries who showed
us how to drain the fen East Anglia
producing some of the most uh fertile
Farmland in the country if not Europe so
successful now is that part of the world
rumor has it they have a university in
the
fence I you not
be that as it may and of course after
the war we saw the West Indians come
across and I lived in South London when
they came in significant numbers because
we couldn't man uh our Health Service
and we couldn't man our uh Transport
Services wonderful people yes indeed my
Lord they loved cricket and all the
better for that in my view uh they were
God-fearing family valued uh really
really nice people and I lived amongst
them I counted a number of them as my
friends and in point of fact they turned
dominoes into a spectator sport who
would suggest for one moment that they
weren't welcome certainly not me
certainly not me and then of course for
those of you old enough to remember we
had that beastly regime in
Uganda who threw out those hardworking
uh Asians who came to us with all that
entrepreneurial spirit that integation
spirit that they brought here and
they've done so well haven't we so many
of those families that came to us have
done so well who would for a moment say
that they weren't welcome not me
certainly not
me but what I would suggest is we've got
to acknowledge some things that are
simply a fact of life this is one of the
most crowded pieces of real estate on
the face of the planet we are just full
now I'm a libert iian I'm a classical
liberal you might argue well goodness me
what's Bloom doing arguing against free
movement of Labor
well generally speaking in a pure uh
economic sense I wouldn't be but we have
a welfare
state for Worse not for better in my
view but we have moved miles away from
beverage where we have a social network
that produces cradle tog grave pensions
social security health education none of
these things I would go for myself as a
Neo Austrian Economist I'd get rid of
the lot but we are where we
are so when you bring significant
numbers
in they are then going to expect quite
rightly and quite naturally and the
noble Lord makes the point we're a fair
Nation Nation we're quite right we
should extend these facilities uh if if
uh if they are there and if that is
appropriate but of
course they they can come and they are
welcome and I know how hardworking in my
constituency are they are and how well
received they are and how well thought
of they
are but if they stay and of course many
will like my father-in-law eventually
they will want their pensions their
State uh uh uh education and all the
other things that go with the modern
welfare
state and you may or may not made the
argument for economic advancement for
immigration uh and I'm not here to make
that argument for or
against uh and I I don't really think
that matters particularly we know just
down the road outside Oxford they're
already beginning to concrete over
Greenfield sites the government tell us
we need another 200,000 dwellings a
year well I don't want my nation my
beautiful Island concreted right over to
tweak up GDP by another half a percent a
year thank you very much I don't want
rep representing a Yorkshire
constituency significant amounts of
immigration from wherever it comes when
I have 30% youth unemployment in the
north of England it doesn't make any
economic sense at all what we need of
course is a system where we work out who
we want to come in who we know who comes
in and they apply like any other
civilized country on the face of the
planet Canada Australia New Zealand
South Africa perfectly reasonable if we
need that skill we bring people in but
an open door policy an open door policy
is a recipe for
disaster and the people that it will
affect most of those immigrant families
like the one I married into who have
been here for a
generation they're the people because
people will not distinguish between who
is new who is old who's adding to the
community who isn't adding to the
community and like the noble Lord I
don't believe for one minute most
immigrants come here for welfare
benefits that would be
absurd thank you uh you mention adding
to the community yet you proposed to get
rid of welfare how would that add to
your community that you represent when
you get rid of welfare and is that UK
could policy well firstly will have
escaped your notice perhaps I'm now an
independent not
you and I would very I would very
happily come back and de debate
the advantages or disadvantages of a
welfare state but tonight that's not the
debate the debate is the motion is this
country has seen too much immigration
since the war that is the motion and I
commend it to the
house
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