George Conway: Verdict not just about defamation but about Trump's 'distorted state of mind'
Summary
TLDREn una conversación intensa, los panelistas discuten la reciente condena de Donald Trump a pagar 83.3 millones de dólares en un juicio por difamación a E. Jean Carroll. Se destaca la importancia de la decisión judicial y su impacto en la percepción pública de Trump, así como el valor de la persistencia y el coraje de Carroll al enfrentarlo públicamente. Se abordan las implicaciones políticas de este evento, la actitud de los republicanos hacia el sistema judicial y la necesidad de reconocer y responsabilizar a Trump por su comportamiento defamatorio y sus mentiras constantes. Además, se resalta el papel inspirador de Carroll para las mujeres de su generación y la relevancia de este caso para el debate sobre la igualdad de género y los derechos de las mujeres.
Takeaways
- 📜 El caso de difamación ganado por E. Jean Carroll contra Donald Trump refleja un fallo de $83.3 millones, lo cual es significativo.
- 🗣️ George Conway, abogado conservador, sugiere que la realidad de la situación está asentándose y que Trump no difamó a E. Jean Carroll.
- 🤔 Se destaca la importancia de respetar las decisiones de los jurados, a diferencia de algunos políticos que han criticado el sistema judicial.
- 👥 Nikki Haley, expresidente del Consejo Nacional de Relaciones Exteriores de los Estados Unidos, se mantiene firme y no cuestiona la decisión del jurado.
- 🚫 Se cuestiona la conducta de Donald Trump en el juicio, incluyendo sus ataques nocturnos contra el juez y E. Jean Carroll.
- 🧐 Se discute la posibilidad de que Trump siga difamando a otros a pesar del fallo, debido a su historial de comportamiento.
- 👵 Molly Jong-Fast, corresponsal especial de 'Vanity Fair', destaca la importancia de la visibilidad y la lucha de mujeres de la edad de E. Jean Carroll.
- 🤝 Se argumenta que el fallo puede inspirar a otros a tomar acciones legales contra las difamaciones de Trump.
- 💰 Se menciona que el fallo podría afectar económicamente a Trump, lo que podría tener implicaciones políticas.
- 🏛️ Se sugiere que la Casa Blanca de Biden no necesita involucrarse directamente en el caso, ya que el caso en sí mismo es convincente.
- 📉 Se discute la estrategia de los demócratas y cómo podrían usar el caso para resaltar la conducta pasada de Trump.
Q & A
¿Quiénes son los invitados principales en la discusión?
-Los invitados principales son Shawn Crowley, George Conway, Molly Jong-Fast y Adrienne Elrod.
¿Cuál es el tema central de la discusión?
-El tema central es la condena de Donald Trump en un juicio por difamación a E. Jean Carroll y las implicaciones políticas y personales de dicha condena.
¿Por qué se destaca la cantidad de $83.3 millones en la discusión?
-La cantidad de $83.3 millones se destaca porque es el monto del fallo en la demanda de difamación presentada por E. Jean Carroll contra Donald Trump.
¿Qué opinan los panelistas sobre el papel de las jurados en este caso?
-Los panelistas consideran que la decisión de los jurados es importante y que ha habido un reconocimiento tardío del valor de los jurados en lugar de ser criticados cuando las cosas no salen como se espera.
¿Por qué creen que Donald Trump ha sido condenado en el juicio?
-Los panelistas sugieren que la condena se debe en parte al comportamiento de Trump en el juicio y su historial de conducta inapropiada y difamación.
¿Cómo afecta esto a la percepción de Donald Trump?
-La discusión indica que la condena puede afectar negativamente la percepción de Trump, destacando su comportamiento y su historial de acusaciones sin fundamento.
¿Qué es la 'ley de visibilidad' que Molly Jong-Fast menciona en su artículo para MSNBC.com?
-La 'ley de visibilidad' se refiere a la importancia de que las mujeres, independientemente de su edad, se mantengan visibles y sepan que su voz importa, especialmente en el contexto de la era de misoginia y racismo que se atribuye a Trump.
¿Qué implicaciones políticas tiene este fallo para Donald Trump?
-El fallo podría dañarla políticamente al afectar su cuenta bancaria y, por ende, su influencia. Además, establece un precedente que podría hacer que Trump piense dos veces antes de difamar a otros en público.
¿Cómo debería posicionarse la Casa Blanca de Biden con respecto a este caso?
-Según Adrienne Elrod, la Casa Blanca de Biden ha sido inteligente al no involucrarse directamente en el caso, ya que el caso habla por sí solo y establece un precedente importante.
¿Por qué creen que Trump continúa difamando a otros?
-George Conway sugiere que Trump es un 'narcisista sociopata' y 'patológico mentiroso', y por lo tanto, es probable que continúe difamando a otros para desviar la atención de él mismo.
¿Qué papel jugaron los abogados de Trump en el resultado del juicio?
-Se sugiere que los abogados de Trump no le ayudaron y que su presencia en el juicio, posiblemente con la intención de influir en los jurados, resultó en un mal impresión que pudo haber costado a Trump una mayor cantidad de dinero en la sentencia.
Outlines
📚 Discusión sobre la demanda de difamación de E. Jean Carroll
El primer párrafo aborda la discusión de un panel de comentaristas sobre la demanda de difamación ganada por E. Jean Carroll contra Donald Trump, quien fue sentenciado a pagar 83.3 millones de dólares. Se destaca la importancia de la decisión judicial y cómo afecta la percepción pública de Trump, su conducta durante el juicio y las implicaciones políticas de dicho caso.
🏛 Consideraciones políticas tras la demanda de difamación
El segundo párrafo se enfoca en las posibles implicaciones políticas de la demanda de difamación y cómo podría afectar a la imagen de Trump. Se discute la estrategia que podría seguir la Casa Blanca de Biden en respuesta a estos eventos y se destaca el valor de la decisión para las mujeres y la importancia de reconocer el coraje de E. Jean Carroll por su persistencia en la búsqueda de justicia.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Defamation
💡Jurado
💡Donald Trump
💡E. Jean Carroll
💡Misoginia
💡Racismo
💡Narcisismo
💡Campañas políticas
💡Sentencia
💡Precedente legal
💡Autonomía
Highlights
Shawn Crowley expresses appreciation for the guest's presence on the show.
Introduction of George Conway, a conservative attorney, and Molly Jong-Fast, a special correspondent at Vanity Fair and host of the Fast Politics podcast.
Discussion on Donald Trump not defaming E. Jean Carroll and the impact of an $83.3 million lawsuit.
Nikki Haley's statement on not second-guessing the jury, contrasting with other Republicans' criticism of the jury system.
George Conway's criticism of Trump's behavior during the trial and his inability to control himself.
Judge Kaplan's comments on Trump's uncontrollable behavior in court.
Conway's assertion that the case is a verdict on Trump's distorted state of mind, not just defamation.
Molly Jong-Fast's opinion piece on MSNBC.com discussing the significance of E. Jean Carroll's visibility and the power it holds.
Jong-Fast's comments on Trump's era of misogyny and racism, and the impact on women's rights.
Adrienne Elrod's view on E. Jean Carroll as a hero for her persistence during Trump's presidency.
Elrod's perspective on the political implications of the civil suit and how it might affect Trump.
Conway's prediction that Trump will continue to defame people due to his psychological projection and pathological lying.
The importance of calling out Trump's behavior as 'crazy' and the need to remind the public of his mental state.
Conway's description of Trump as a narcissistic sociopath and the jury's realization of his deranged state during the trial.
The potential financial implications for Trump due to the lawsuit and his own actions during the trial.
Speculation on whether Trump's lawyers may have negatively impacted his case with their courtroom strategies.
Transcripts
SHAWN CROWLEY, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR COMING IN THIS MORNING.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU.
>>> WE WANT TO BRING IN
CONSERVATIVE ATTORNEY GEORGE
CONWAY NOW, AND SPECIAL
CORRESPONDENT AT "VANITY FAIR"
AND THE POST OF "FAST POLITICS"
PODCAST, MOLLY JONG-FAST.
AND FORMER CHIEF OF CHAFF TO THE
D
DCCC AND AN AIDE TO THE BIDEN
AND HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGNS,
ADRIENNE ELROD IS WITH US.
>> GEORGE CONWAY, PERHAPS THIS
IS GROUNDED MORE IN THE FACT
THAT REALITY IS SETTLING IN.
ONE, DONALD TRUMP DID NOT DEFAME
E. JEAN CARROLL THIS WEEKEND.
PRETTY REMARKABLE WHAT $83.3
MILLION LAWSUIT WILL DO.
SECONDLY, WE ACTUALLY HEARD A
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN GOING OUT,
TALKING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF
JURIES INSTEAD OF PEOPLE LIKE
MARCO RUBIO TRASHING THE JURY
SYSTEM AND ATTACKING JURORS AND
OTHER SENATORS, REPUBLICAN
SENATORS DOING IT WHEN THINGS
DON'T GO THEIR WAY.
YOU ACTUALLY HAD NIKKI HALEY
GOING, "I'M NOT GOING TO SECOND
SECOND-GUESS THE JURY.
WHAT
WHAT A QUAINT NOTION THAT IS."
>> A FEW YEARS TOO LATE, I
THINK.
THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE
BEEN DOING ALL ALONG.
THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HAMMERING
HIM FOR HIS MISCONDUCT.
THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING ALL
THIS AND CRITICIZING HIM AND
CHALLENGING HIS MENTAL
STABILITY.
I THINK THIS CASE IS ACTUALLY
NOT JUST -- THIS DAMAGE VERDICT
IS NOT JUST A VERDICT ABOUT
DEFAMATION.
IT IS A VERDICT ABOUT HIS
INCREDIBLY DISTORTED STATE OF
MIND.
AS SHAWN JUST SAID, HE WAS HIT
WITH THIS JUDGMENT IN PART
BECAUSE OF HIS BEHAVIOR IN COURT
AND HIS BEHAVIOR DURING THE
TRIAL.
THIS IS A MAN WHO, AS JUDGE
KAPLAN SAID DURING THE TRIAL, HE
CANNOT CONTROL HIMSELF.
HE COULD NOT CONTROL HIMSELF
WHEN HE RAPED E. JEAN CARROLL.
HE COULDN'T CONTROL HIMSELF IN
2019 WHEN SHE CAME FORWARD WITH
THE STORY AND HE LIED AND SAID,
"OH, I'VE NEVER MET HER," EVEN
THOUGH THERE WAS A PHOTOGRAPH
THAT HAD BEEN PUBLISHED ALREADY
OF THEM TOGETHER.
HE COULD NOT CONTROL HIMSELF
AFTER HE WAS PRESIDENT, WHEN HE
CONTINUALLY DEFAMED HER AGAIN
AND AGAIN AND LIED ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENED.
THEN HE COULDN'T CONTROL HIMSELF
THROUGHOUT THE TRIAL WHEN, IN
THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, HE WAS
ATTACKING THE JUDGE AND
ATTACKING JEAN CARROLL AGAIN,
CALLING HER A LIAR, CALLING HER
A WHACK JOB, AND STANDING
OUTSIDE THE COURTROOM AND
HOLDING THESE OUTRAGEOUS PRESS
CONFERENCES.
NOW, HE HAS BEEN GOOD FOR FOUR
DAYS.
WE'LL SEE HOW LONG THAT LASTS.
I KEEP REMEMBERING BACK IN 2017
AND 2018 AND 2019, WHERE HE'D DO
SOMETHING OR SAY SOMETHING
PARTICULARLY OUTRAGEOUS, AND
PEOPLE WOULD SAY, "OH, MY GOSH,"
AND THEN A FEW DAYS LATER, HE'D
READ SOMETHING OFF A
TELEPROMPTER, AND PEOPLE WOULD
SAY, "OH, THIS IS THE NEW DONALD
TRUMP."
THERE IS NO NEW DONALD TRUMP.
>> THERE IS NO NEW DONALD TRUMP.
MOLLY, NOW REPUBLICANS ARE
FORCED TO DEFEND SOMEONE WHO WAS
FOUND LIABLE FOR $83.3 MILLION
IN THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT
CONNECTED TO A SEXUAL ASSAULT.
NIKKI HALEY, AT LEAST, IS
CHOOSING NOT TO DO THAT AS PART
OF A MORE AGGRESSIVE ATTACK FOR
HER.
YOU WROTE SOMETHING FOR
MSNBC.COM OVER THE WEEKEND.
"E. JEAN CARROLL, MY MOTHER, AND
THE POWER OF STAYING VISIBLE."
TELL US WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHY
IT IS SIGNIFICANT RIGHT NOW.
>> WELL, I THINK THAT DONALD
TRUMP USHERED IN AN ERA OF
MISOGYNY AND RACISM.
WE KNOW THIS IS TRUE, WHEN HE
WAS ELECTED.
WOMEN, YOU KNOW, OF THAT AGE
WERE REALLY -- YOU KNOW, THESE
WERE THE WOMEN WHO FOUGHT FOR
ROE.
THEN THEY LOST ROE.
BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP, RIGHT?
HE PUT THREE CONSERVATIVE
JUSTICES ON THE COURT.
HE EVEN SAID HE WAS PUTTING THEM
ON TO REVERSE ROE.
ROE WAS THE GREAT VICTORY OF
THOSE WOMEN, MY MOTHER
INCLUDED'S, AGE.
IN 1973, THEY WERE ABLE FOR THE
FIRST TIME TO HAVE
AUTONOMY, AND IT CHANGED THE
GAME FOR THEM.
SO TO SEE THIS TAKEN AWAY FROM
THEM, AND THEN HERE IS A WOMAN
DONALD TRUMP'S OWN AGE, RIGHT?
DONALD TRUMP HASN'T BEEN MARRIED
TO A WOMAN HIS OWN AGE IN A LONG
TIME.
THIS WAS A SORT OF INCREDIBLE
VICTORY FOR WOMEN OF THAT
GENERATION, FOR WOMEN OF MY
GENERATION.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS THAT WE MATTER.
NO MATTER WHAT AGE WE ARE, WE
MATTER.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
ADRIENNE ELROD, I MEAN,
ACTUALLY, THAT'S THE FIRST THING
I THOUGHT WAS THE HUGE JUDGMENT
CAME DOWN, THIS HUGE NUMBER, IS
THAT THIS WOMAN IS SUCH A HERO.
SHE STARTED THIS DURING HIS
PRESIDENCY AND KEPT GOING.
I DON'T THINK A LOT OF FOLKS
TOOK HER THAT SERIOUSLY.
I THINK EVERYONE IS TAKING HER
SERIOUSLY NOW.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE POLITICS OF
THIS, ADRIENNE, ESPECIALLY WITH
THE CIVIL SUIT COMING DOWN THE
LINE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF
WEEKS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS HURTS
TRUMP POLITICALLY.
I GUESS IT COULD HURT HIS BANK
ACCOUNT, WHICH COULD UNDERMINE
HIM A BIT.
HOW DO YOU THINK THE BIDEN WHITE
HOUSE SHOULD POSITION ITSELF?
OF COURSE, WE'LL WATCH NIKKI
HALEY PLAY OFF OF THIS, AS WELL.
>> YEAH, I THINK THE BIDEN WHITE
HOUSE HAS BEEN REALLY SMART
ABOUT THIS.
YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO
GET INVOLVED IN THE STORY LIKE
THIS.
THE STORY SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
LOOK, I MEAN, I THINK ON A
COUPLE OF FRONTS, I THINK,
NUMBER ONE, THIS SETS A
PRECEDENT.
IF YOU ARE -- WHETHER YOU ARE A
WOMAN, A MAN, WHOMEVER YOU ARE
THAT DONALD TRUMP IS
CONSISTENTLY DEFAMING, THERE IS
NOW A PRECEDENT SET FORWARD
WHERE, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS DONALD
TRUMP IS GOING TO THINK TWICE
BEFORE HE GOES OUT AND RIDICULES
YOU ON THE PUBLIC STAGE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS ALSO
IMPORTANT.
I LOVE THAT MOLLY TALKED ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, HOW WOMEN OF HER
MOTHER'S GENERATION AND,
FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, WOMEN MY AGE,
TOO, THIS WAS INSPIRING FOR US
TO SEE ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS.
I THINK IF YOU ARE -- I ALWAYS
TALK ABOUT, MIKA, THE SWING
MODERATE VOTERS WHO WILL DECIDE
THIS ELECTION.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND
SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, GOOD FOR
HER.
I'M GLAD SHE STOOD UP AND DID
THIS AND TOOK THIS STEP.
I DON'T THINK THE BIDEN WHITE
HOUSE NEEDS TO GET INVOLVED IN
THIS BECAUSE IT SPEAKS FOR
ITSELF.
YOU KNOW, E. JEAN HAS BEEN A
HERO TO SO MANY WOMEN.
IF YOU'RE TRUMP AND THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN, MAYBE YOU ARE THINKING
TWICE BEFORE YOU GO OUT THERE
AND START DEFAMING, YOU KNOW,
INNOCENT WOMEN OUT THERE WHO YOU
EITHER RAPED OR YOU HAVE JUST
CONSISTENTLY DEFAMED TIME AND
TIME AGAIN.
>> GEORGE CONWAY, QUICKLY, JUST
WATCHING TRUMP'S ACTIONS IN THE
DAYS AND WEEKS TO COME, HE CAN'T
TALK ABOUT -- I MEAN, TO WHAT
EXTENT DOES THE DEFINITION OF
DEFAMATION, CONTINUED DEFAMATION
INCLUDE?
HE SEEMS TO BE EDGING CLOSE TO
TALKING ABOUT THIS AS AN ATTACK
ON HIM, THE BIDEN DOJ, WHEN WE
KNOW IT WAS A JURY.
DOES THAT GET HIM IN TROUBLE, OR
CAN HE TALK AROUND IT STILL?
>> HE IS GOING TO DEFAME PEOPLE.
HE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO
DEFAME PEOPLE BECAUSE HE ENGAGES
IN PSYCHOLOGICAL PROJECTILE.
JOE CAN ATTEST TO THIS.
HE IS ALWAYS GOING TO ACCUSE
PEOPLE OF FALSEHOODS TO DRAW
ATTENTION AWAY FROM HIMSELF AND
BECAUSE HE IS JUST A
PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.
THAT'S WHAT HE DOES.
I'M SURE HE IS GOING TO BE BACK
AT SOME POINT TALKING ABOUT THIS
JUDGE AND TALK ABOUT E. JEAN
CARROLL.
HE IS GOING TO BE SAYING
ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE THINGS ABOUT
EVERYBODY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT
HE'S DONE HIS ENTIRE LIFE.
THE GOOD THING, THOUGH, ABOUT
WHAT HAS JUST HAPPENED IS HE IS
FINALLY BEING CALLED TO ACCOUNT
FOR IT.
I THINK WHAT WE ALL NEED TO DO,
AND I THINK NIKKI HALEY, YOU
KNOW, FOR SOME REASON IS FINALLY
STARTING TO DO IT.
I THINK THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN, FROM
WHAT I CAN SEE ON THEIR SOCIAL
MEDIA ACCOUNTS, IS TRYING TO DO
IT.
WE NEED TO CALL OUT THE CRAZY.
WE NEED TO POINT OUT THE CRAZY.
HE'S HAD THREE YEARS OF
BASICALLY BEING OFF THE STAGE,
AND PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW
ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY MENTALLY
DISORDERED THIS MAN IS.
THE MORE YOU TALK ABOUT THAT, IN
PARTICULAR, THE CRAZIER IT MAKES
HIM.
I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE
POSSIBILITY THAT HE HAS
DEMENTIA.
I MEAN, IF HE WERE A RELATIVE OF
MINE AND SAYING SOME OF THE
THINGS HE WAS SAYING AND
CONFUSING NIKKI HALEY WITH NANCY
PELOSI, SAYING THAT BARACK OBAMA
WAS PRESIDENT, I'D DRAG HIM TO
THE NEAREST NEUROLOGIST.
BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY THE
PROBLEM WITH HIM.
WHAT MAKES HIM DANGEROUS IS HE
IS A NARCISSISTIC SOCIOPATH.
A NARCISSISTIC PSYCHOPATH.
MALIGNANT NARCISSIST.
HE'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED
LAST WEEK IS THAT THE JURY SAW
THIS MAN FOR THEMSELVES, JUST A
FEW FEET AWAY, AND THEY SAW HOW
SICK AND DERANGED HE WAS.
THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY HE
HAS TO COME UP WITH $83.3
MILLION REALLY FAST THROUGH A
BOND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE
CAN.
>> HIS LAWYERS SEE IT.
>> HIS LAWYERS CERTAINLY DIDN'T
HELP HIM AT ALL, WHICH IS AN
UNDERSTATEMENT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, HE WAS COMING TO
THE COURTROOM.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS FOR THE
PRESS CONFERENCES OUTSIDE, IF IT
WAS TO INTIMIDATE THE JURORS,
WHAT IT WAS, BUT IT ENDED UP
COSTING HIM A LOT.
IF HE'D STAYED AWAY.
>> AND ZIP IT.
>> IF HE HADN'T MADE THE BAD
IMPRESSIONS HE MADE AND KEPT HIS
HEAD DOWN, HE'D PROBABLY HAVE,
YOU KNOW, AT LEAST $70 MILLION
MORE.
>> YES.
>> HE COST HIMSELF TENS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS GOING INTO
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