¿Por qué el apoyo a Trump aumenta a pesar de las acusaciones? Esto opinan demócratas y republicanos

Univision Noticias
23 Jan 202405:40

Summary

TLDRThe transcript unfolds a heated debate on the political landscape shaped by Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis, highlighting the controversies and polarized opinions surrounding Trump's leadership and its implications for democracy. Critics argue Trump's actions and rhetoric pose a genuine threat to democratic norms, citing his encouragement of rebellion and potential for dictatorial tendencies. Supporters, however, view the accusations against Trump as an establishment attack, reinforcing his anti-establishment appeal. The discussion also touches on issues like immigration, economic policies, and the political climate in Florida, reflecting a broader discourse on America's future and the deep divisions within its society.

Takeaways

  • 🗳️ The discussion revolves around the political strategies and public perceptions of Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis, highlighting their distinct approaches.
  • 📉 The script suggests Trump's popularity remains high despite or perhaps because of accusations against him, indicating a base that values his anti-establishment stance.
  • 🏛️ There are concerns raised about Trump potentially being a threat to democracy, with references to his actions and statements that challenge democratic norms.
  • 🔍 The debate touches on allegations against Trump, like overvaluing properties and legal challenges he faces, emphasizing the scrutiny on his business practices.
  • 🤔 The conversation includes skepticism about Trump's potential as a dictator, questioning whether certain policies or actions truly reflect authoritarianism.
  • 🇺🇸 The script reflects a broader concern about the current state and direction of American politics, with references to extremism and unease about the political landscape.
  • 🌍 International perspectives are mentioned, comparing the U.S. political situation with authoritarian regimes in Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Cuba.
  • 🚪 The issue of immigration policy is discussed, particularly in relation to Trump and Biden's policies, highlighting their impact on communities like DACA recipients.
  • 🏡 Personal perspectives are shared, with individuals expressing their feelings about living in the U.S. under different administrations, reflecting diverse political and economic concerns.
  • 💬 The dialogue showcases a range of viewpoints, illustrating the polarized and complex nature of American political discourse.

Q & A

  • Why does Trump continue to gain support even as he is attacked?

    -Many believe it is because his attacks validate his outsider status and critique of the establishment, which resonates with his base.

  • Is Trump a threat to democracy?

    -Yes, he has shown a willingness to undermine democratic institutions and norms to stay in power.

  • Could Trump become a dictator?

    -Some believe he planned the January 6th insurrection as a first step and, having learned from mistakes, could try again with more competent allies.

  • How does the economy and interest rates now compare to under Trump?

    -The economy is perceived to be worse now. Interest rates are at their highest level in decades.

  • How has Biden's immigration policy differed from Trump's?

    -Biden has reinstated DACA, provided TPS for Venezuelans, and reversed bans on entry.

  • What threats exist in Florida related to Venezuelan criminal groups?

    -Major Venezuelan criminal groups and gangs are operating in Florida, especially Miami.

  • How did Trump's immigration policy impact the Latino community?

    -His actions led to deportations and family separation which heavily impacted Latinos.

  • Did Democrats try similar tactics challenging elections?

    -No evidence Democrats tried to overtly undermine election results or institutions in 2016.

  • Do candidates have a legal right to challenge results?

    -Yes, they have a right to bring legal challenges, but must respect final results.

  • Is securing borders and national security dictator-like?

    -No, reasonable security policies are different than undemocratic consolidations of power.

Outlines

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🔍 Political Polarization and Trump's Impact

The discussion highlights the polarization in U.S. politics, focusing on Donald Trump's continued popularity despite various accusations. Supporters see Trump's actions, including controversial business practices and direct confrontations with the political establishment, as a fight against the status quo, resonating with a significant portion of the electorate. The conversation shifts to the dangers Trump poses to democracy, with claims that he could act with impunity, even suggesting a president could have the right to assassinate political opponents. Critics argue Trump's actions and rhetoric resemble those of dictators, threatening U.S. democracy. In contrast, defenders suggest Trump's focus on national security and border control are wrongly labeled as dictatorial. The script also touches on the Democratic Party's challenges and the perception of political bias in legal challenges against Trump. The speakers reflect on the U.S. political landscape, expressing concern over extremist influences and the impact on democracy and economic security.

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🌍 Immigration Policy and DACA's Impact

This segment focuses on the impact of U.S. immigration policies under Donald Trump and Joe Biden, particularly on DACA recipients and the broader immigrant community. The speaker, affiliated with Univision, shares a personal perspective on the termination of DACA by Trump, underscoring the fear and uncertainty it generated among immigrants. The narrative contrasts Trump's restrictive immigration policies, including deportations and travel bans, with Biden's efforts to provide TPS to Venezuelans and reunify families. The speaker expresses disappointment with the current state of the country, highlighting the importance of DACA and similar programs in shaping their life and the lives of many immigrants, suggesting a longing for more inclusive and supportive immigration policies.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Trump

Donald Trump, former President of the United States, is a key figure in the video. He is presented as a threat to democracy given his attempts to overturn the 2020 election results and incite an insurrection. The video debates whether he could become a dictator.

💡dictator

The concept of a dictator is discussed in relation to whether Trump could become one. This connects to the theme of Trump being a threat to democracy.

💡insurrection

The January 6th attack on the US Capitol by Trump supporters is referenced as an insurrection that Trump incited. This relates to the threat he poses to democracy.

💡immigration

Immigration policy is discussed in contrasting Biden's and Trump's approaches. This ties into their differing impact on immigrant communities.

💡economy

The economy is mentioned in the context of feeling more economically secure under Trump versus Biden. This contrasts economic policy impacts.

💡Venezuela

Venezuela is referenced when a participant mentions fleeing the country and crimes in Florida by Venezuelan gangs. This provides an example of unrest people are escaping.

💡Cuba

Cuba is mentioned when discussing people fleeing dictatorships to come to the US. This provides context around immigration motivations.

💡security

National security is mentioned when questioning if increased security should be equated with a dictator. This ties into the theme of what constitutes democratic versus authoritarian behavior.

💡courts

The courts are referenced in regards to claims Trump has made about presidential immunity. This relates to him potentially defying legal bounds.

💡election

The 2020 election and its aftermath are a backdrop for the entire discussion around Trump's anti-democratic behavior in trying to overturn the results.

Highlights

DeSantis and Trump both have distinct agendas, indicating a divide in political strategy.

Ramos probes into the phenomenon of Trump's rising support despite facing multiple accusations.

The accusations against Trump are seen as validation by his supporters, strengthening his anti-establishment image.

The allegations of Trump overvaluing properties in New York touch on the discontent with the political establishment.

The discussion shifts to whether Trump poses a threat to democracy, citing his unprecedented legal claims for presidential immunity.

The debate tackles the fear of Trump's potential to become a dictator, learning from past mistakes to solidify his power.

The irony of Democrats accusing others of dictatorship is highlighted, suggesting a need to reassess the boundaries of national security and dictatorship.

The legitimacy of challenging election results is questioned, especially when it involves illegal activities to retain power.

The conversation pivots to the foreign policy inconsistencies of Democrats, pointing out their dealings with authoritarian regimes.

The exclusion of other Democratic candidates in Florida's political landscape is criticized, indicating a lack of fair political competition.

The influx of criminal elements from Venezuela into Miami, Florida, raises concerns about safety and law enforcement.

The polarized views on life in the U.S. are explored, from those waiting for Trump's return for economic stability to those fearing extremist power.

The impact of Trump's immigration policies, like ending DACA and TPS, is highlighted, showing the tangible consequences on communities.

The contrast between Trump and Biden's immigration policies, particularly regarding TPS for Venezuelans, is emphasized.

The personal experiences of immigrants and their apprehensions about the future under different administrations are shared, reflecting the broader national debate on immigration.

Transcripts

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SU BASE, SI DESANTIS TIENE UNA

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AGENDA, PERO TRUMP TIENE LA

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RAMOS: AÚDAME A ENTENDER QÉ

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PASA Y ÓMO TRUMP SIGUE

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SUBIENDO METAS ÁS LO ATACAN.

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>> PORQUE REALMENTE NO ES A

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PESAR DE LAS ACUSACIONES, EN

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GRAN PARTE ES GRACIAS A LAS

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ACUSACIONES, PORQUE LE ESÁN

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POR QÉ LO APOYARON, ES PORQUE

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FUE CONTRACORRIENTE CONTRA EL

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ESTABLISHMENT POÍTICO, HAY

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MUCHAS DE LAS ACCIONES QUE

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CUESTIONABLES, EN NEW YORK, DE

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ÓMO UN HOMBRE DE NEGOCIOS,

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SUPUESTAMENTE SOBRE VALOÓ

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PROPIEDADES, Y SIN NINÚN TIPO

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DE ÍCTIMAS NI DOLIENTES VIENE

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UNA FISCAL Y LLO PERSIGUE

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DIRECTAMENTE, ESO TOCA LA FIBRA

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DE GRAN PARTE DEL ELECTORADO

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QUE DICE QUE ES INACEPTABLE.

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RAMOS: SON TANTAS COSAS, EL

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INCITAR A UNA REBELÓN, EL

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QUIÁS HACER UNA AMENAZA PARA

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LA DEMOCRACIA, ¿ES TRUMP UNA

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AMENAZA PARA LA DEMOCRACIA?

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>> TOTALMENTE, YO CREO QUE

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NUNCA ANTES HAÍAMOS VISTO UN

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CANDIDATO QUE EN ESTE MOMENTO

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ALEGA A LAS CORTES QUE UN

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PRESIDENTE DEBE TENER INMUNIDAD

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INCLUSO DE ASESINAR A UN

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OPONENTE POÍTICO, ESO ES LO

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QUE DICE DONALD TRUMP EN LAS

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CORTES DE ESTADOS UNIDOS, Y A

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LOS REPUBLICANOS NO LES IMPORTA

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LO QUE REPRESENTA, Y EL HECHO

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DE QUE ESTE HOMBRE VA A LLEGAR

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A CONVERTIRSE EN LO QUE MUCHAS

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PERSONAS DE VENEZUELA, DE

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NICARAGUA, DE CUBA HAN SALIDO

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DE SUS PÍSES.

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RAMOS: ¿CREES QUE TRUMP PUEDE

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SER UN DICTADOR?

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DICIENDO DESDE YA, DESPÉS DE

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QUE VEMOS LO QUE HIZO EN ENERO

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6, OBVIAMENTE LO TIENE

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PLANEADO, ADEÁS DE QUE NO

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FUNCIOÓ PORQUE NO TEÍA LAS

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PERSONAS ADECUADAS A SU LADO,

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YA APRENDÓ DE ESE ERROR Y

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TENDÁ A SU LADO A LAS PERSONAS

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QUE HAÁN EXACTAMENTE LO QUE LE

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É LA GANA.

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>> PARA EMPEZAR ES ÓLO DISCO O

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DE FORMA DE BROMA, ME PARECE UN

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POCO INCRÍBLE QUE ESÉN

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TRATANDO LOS DEÓCRATAS DE

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HABLANDO DE DICTADURAS.

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RAMOS:ÉL DIJO QUE EL PRIMER

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ÍA SERIA UN DICTADOR.

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>> PRIMERO QUE ESA ES LA

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PREGUNTA QUE HAY QUE HACER, ¿

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VERDADERAMENTE ES ASEGURAR

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NUESTRAS FRONTERAS, NUESTRAS

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ÉNFASIS EN SEGURIDAD NACIONAL

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UN ACTO DE UN DICTADOR? YO CREO

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QUE TENEMOS QUE REESTRUCTURAR

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ESE ARGUMENTO.

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RAMOS: PERO LO SEÍA NO

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EL PODER.

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>> SI ESO FUERA EL CASO, LOS

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DEÓCRATAS EN EL 2016 HAÍAN

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HECHO LO MISMO, HILLARY CLINTON

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DEMOCRACIA.

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>> YO NUNCA ME IMAGINE EN ESTE

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PÍS QUEÍBAMOS A VER UN

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CANDIDATO PRESIDENCIAL QUERER

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TIENE SU DERECHO LEGAL DE PODER

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RETAR CUALQUIER RESULTADO ,

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PERO QUE EN ESTADOS UNIDOS DE

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DIGA A TODO SU EQUIPO DE HACER

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COSAS ILEGALES, COSAS QUE NO

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PUEDEN HACER PARA QUEDARSE EN

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EL PODER, ESE ES UN PERSONAJE

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GRUPOS TERRORISTAS

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INTELIGENTES, ESTO NO ES UN

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CHISTE, NO SE TRATA DE QUE

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SEÁ...

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RELACIONES CON DICTADORES,

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HABLEMOS DE JOE BIDEN QUE ENÍA

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A JUAN GONÁLEZ QUE CON

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NICOÁS MADURO, LAS RELACIONES

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QUE TUVO OBAMA CON LOS CASTRO,

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HABLEMOS DE LO QUE PASE EN LA

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FLORIDA, DONDE EL PARTIDO

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DEÓCRATA HA SACADO AL RESTO DE

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LOS CANDIDATOS DEÓCRATAS QUE

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POÍTICA QUE EL NIEGA EL ACCESO

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A OTROS POÍTICOS. NO CON

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TRUMP TUVE LA OPORTUNIDAD POR

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VOTAR POR SU CANDIDATO.

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RAMOS:ÉSTE ES EL PÍS QUE

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USTEDES IMAGINABAN?, ¿LES GUSTA

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LO QUE VEN?

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>> NO, YO VENGO DE VENEZUELA, Y

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AHORA EN MIAMI, EL ESTADO DE LA

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FLORIDA, HAY PERSONAS QUE

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FORMAN PARTE DE LA BANDA

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CRIMINAL VENEZOLANA ÁS

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IMPORTANTE Y PELIGROSA, EN

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MIAMI, FLORIDA.

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RAMOS: ¿TE GUSTA ESTE PÍS?

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>> A Í ME GUSTA, SIEMPRE

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CUANDO NO HAYA PERSONAS

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EXTREMISTAS EN EL PODER TOMANDO

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>> YO HE DICHO QUE COMPRO CASA

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CUANDO TRUMP REGRESE A LA CASA

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BLANCA, LA ECONOÍA ESÁ EN EL

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NO ME SIENTO SEGURA

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ECOÓMICAMENTE, CON TRUMP

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ESÁBAMOS MEJOR, LA TASA DE

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INTEÉS ESTABA EN UN PUNTO

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MUCHO MENOR A LA QUE VEMOS

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ÉCADAS.

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RAMOS: ¿ESTE ES EL PÍS QUE TE

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IMAGINABAS Y QUE QUEÍAS?

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>> NO, Y YO ESÉ AQÍ COMO

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PARTE DEL EQUIPO DE UNIVISÓN

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GRACIAS A PROGRAMAS COMO DACA,

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EL ÍA QUE DONALD TRUMP TERMIÓ

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EL PROGRAMA DACA, NO SABES LO

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QUE ESO SIGNIFICA PARA LA GENTE

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DEPORTACIONES, CANCEÓ EL TPS,

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FUE EN CONTRA DE LA COMUNIDAD

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INMIGRANTE, PROHIBÓ QUE

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PERSONAS ENTRARAN AL PÍS,

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BIDEN LE HA DADO TPS A LOS

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VENEZOLANOS, HA REUNIDO

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