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25 Oct 202325:22

Summary

TLDRThe transcript covers China's Belt and Road initiative, which was proposed by Xi Jinping in 2013. The key arguments made are: 1) Belt and Road was proposed to deal with China's problem of excess manufacturing capacity as it transitions to a developed economy. By exporting infrastructure capacity abroad through Belt and Road projects, China can maintain employment and economic growth, while avoiding hollowing out of domestic industries. 2) There are signs that China's manufacturing remains competitive internationally. For example, China beat Japan to win the bid for the Jakarta-Bandung high-speed railway project in Indonesia, despite offering worse loan terms, by willing to take on all operational risk and requiring no sovereign guarantee from Indonesia. 3) Whether Belt and Road succeeds depends on two factors - China's continued economic growth to fund overseas projects, and recipient countries achieving enough economic growth for projects like railways to become profitable. For the latter, not all developing countries can replicate China's high growth. 4) Belt and Road also has political motivations, not just economic. By leveraging debt traps, China gains political influence in places like Bangladesh and Montenegro. The risk of this debt strategy disturbs Western powers. 5) It is still early to evaluate if Belt and Road can transform from capital injection to catalysis for economic growth. But China has only begun challenging the global order by attempting to shape its rules and leverage smaller nations. Countries still lack countermeasures against moves like Belt and Road. In summary, Belt and Road has sound economic motivations and shows some continued competitiveness. But its sustainability depends on economic growth, while political motivations mean China can still benefit if projects fail financially. We likely need more time to evaluate Belt and Road’s success and implications for global influence.

Takeaways

  • China proposed the Belt and Road initiative in 2013 to export its manufacturing capacity and address overcapacity issues.
  • The Belt and Road initiative has both economic and political goals for China.
  • China has invested over $1 trillion in Belt and Road projects in the past decade.
  • Russia has become economically dependent on China due to Belt and Road investments.
  • China competed with Japan to build a high-speed rail in Indonesia, demonstrating its infrastructure capabilities.
  • The success of Belt and Road relies on continued economic growth in China and recipient countries.
  • The Belt and Road initiative allows China to gain political influence through debt-trap diplomacy.
  • The U.S. and E.U. have launched initiatives to counter China's Belt and Road.
  • It's still early to fully evaluate the success of the Belt and Road initiative.
  • The Belt and Road initiative is an attempt by China to shape a new international order.

Q & A

  • Why did China initiate the Belt and Road?

    -China wanted to export its manufacturing capacity and address issues like overcapacity as its economy develops. Belt and Road opens new horizons for China's economy.

  • How much has China invested in Belt and Road projects?

    -China has invested over $1 trillion in Belt and Road projects over the past decade.

  • How has Belt and Road impacted China's relationship with Russia?

    -Massive Chinese investments in Russia, exceeding $300 billion, have made Russia economically dependent on China.

  • How did China demonstrate its infrastructure capabilities through Belt and Road?

    -China competed with and beat Japan in bidding to build a high-speed rail in Indonesia, showcasing its infrastructure capabilities.

  • What factors impact the success of Belt and Road projects?

    -Continued economic growth in China and recipient countries is key to the success and sustainability of Belt and Road projects.

  • How does Belt and Road allow China to gain political influence?

    -Debt-trap diplomacy lets China gain political leverage and influence through Belt and Road investments.

  • How are the U.S. and E.U. responding to Belt and Road?

    -The U.S. and E.U. have launched initiatives like Global Gateway and Global Fund to provide alternatives to Belt and Road.

  • Can we evaluate if Belt and Road has succeeded yet?

    -It's still early to fully evaluate the success of Belt and Road as it's an ongoing, long-term initiative.

  • How does Belt and Road help China shape international order?

    -Belt and Road allows China to gain allies and influence through investments, shaping international dynamics.

  • What are the goals of the Belt and Road initiative?

    -The Belt and Road initiative has dual economic goals like exporting capacity and political goals like gaining influence for China.

Outlines

00:00

Xi Jinping's Haircut

The narrator acknowledges comments that his long hair makes him look like Hu Xijin and promises to get a haircut soon. He explains that he just returned from Taiwan and needs to hurry to make videos again after being away last week, so he can't take half a day to go to his regular barber. He promises to get a haircut this weekend.

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Putin Panders to China at Belt and Road Summit

Putin attended the Belt and Road summit in Beijing and lavished praise on Xi Jinping in an interview with CCTV, calling him a global leader. This shows Russia's economic dependence on China, as its GDP is less than one Chinese province now. Coming to China despite facing arrest abroad shows Russia has become like a 'grandson' to China rather than a 'father'.

10:06

China's Motives for Belt and Road Initiative

China launched Belt and Road to deal with its excess manufacturing capacity as its economy develops. It wants to maintain its status as a manufacturing powerhouse rather than transfer industries overseas, which could lead to economic decline if upgrading fails. So it is exporting infrastructure capacity worldwide via Belt and Road, which provides employment and uses excess capacity while keeping industries in China.

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China's Infrastructure Competitiveness

The Jakarta-Bandung railway shows China's infrastructure competitiveness. Despite offering worse terms than Japan, China won the bid by proposing shorter construction, no sovereign guarantee from Indonesia, and taking on all operational risks itself. China's manufacturing capabilities give it an edge in such projects.

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Keys to Belt and Road's Success

Belt and Road's success depends on 1) China's continued economic growth to fund projects 2) Economic growth in recipient countries to ensure project viability. It could have a catalytic effect like the Marshall Plan if recipients replicate China's growth. Otherwise, it is just capital injection with limited impact.

Political Dimensions of Belt and Road

Aside from economic goals, Belt and Road has political aims. Large Russia projects are geopolitical. Money-losing projects trap countries in debt, giving China political leverage. For example, Montenegro may join EU but has unpayable Chinese debt, limiting its independence. So political benefits exist even if economic benefits are unclear.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Belt and Road Initiative

China's major development strategy launched in 2013 to boost connectivity and trade between China, Asia, Europe and Africa. The 'belt' refers to land based projects like railways and highways, while 'road' refers to maritime routes. It is China's attempt to export surplus domestic capacity and gain geopolitical influence.

💡infrastructure capacity

Refers to China's ability to build large-scale infrastructure projects like highways, railways, dams etc. A key motive of the Belt & Road initiative is to export this capacity abroad when facing overcapacity domestically.

💡debt trap

Refers to a situation where the Belt & Road investment recipient countries are unable to repay loans to China, hence falling into debt crises. This allows China to gain political leverage over them.

💡industrial upgrading

The process by which China needs to transition from labor-intensive manufacturing to more advanced high-tech industries. Failure to upgrade may lead to economic stagnation.

💡geopolitics

How geographical factors influence politics and relations between countries. Many Belt & Road projects have a geopolitical motive, like binding recipient countries closer to China.

💡overcapacity

When production capacity exceeds demand. China faces overcapacity in sectors like steel, cement etc due to rapid past growth. Belt & Road helps export the surplus capacity.

💡sustainable

Whether the Belt & Road initiative can succeed long term. This depends on continued economic growth in China and recipient countries to support projects.

💡developing countries

Poorer countries working to improve economies and living standards. They are main recipients of Belt & Road funds, with goals to catalyze growth.

💡new international order

China aims to play a bigger role in global affairs and shape new norms. Leveraging Belt & Road countries to its interest is one attempt towards this.

💡capital injection

Injecting funds into infrastructure projects, without necessarily catalyzing wider economic benefits. Belt & Road needs to transition from capital injection to real development.

Highlights

China proposed One Belt One Road to export its manufacturing capacity and address overcapacity issues as it transitions to a developed economy.

One Belt One Road allows China to maintain domestic employment while conquering the world with "Made in China" itself, exporting infrastructure capacity.

The competitiveness of "Made in China" is evidenced by its win over Japan's bid for the Jakarta-Bandung high-speed railway.

The success of One Belt One Road depends on China's continued economic growth to fund projects, and recipient countries' growth to support projects.

One Belt One Road has economic goals to export capacity and manufacturing, as well as political goals to leverage influence even if projects lose money.

Countries like Russia participate due to geopolitical considerations, binding their economies closely to China.

Some countries fall into debt traps with China, allowing China to gain political and economic leverage.

The EU and US have launched infrastructure initiatives in response to One Belt One Road, benefitting developing countries.

One Belt One Road's sustainability depends on whether projects catalyze growth or are just capital injections.

China invests in countries that may join the EU, leveraging potential veto power if debts are not repaid.

Developed countries lack countermeasures to China leveraging debt for political gains so far.

One Belt One Road represents the beginning of China's challenge to the global order.

Undeveloped Belt and Road participating countries are important chess pieces for China to leverage.

The EU and US don't participate in Belt and Road, while targeted countries align interests with China.

More time is needed to evaluate if One Belt One Road can transform from capital injection to growth catalyst.

Transcripts

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Everyone, after yesterday's show ended

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Many people commented below saying

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"Director Wang, go get a haircut quickly"

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"Your bangs now, no matter how I look at it, looks just like Hu Xijin"

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I know my hair is a bit long

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I also know once my hair grows long

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For some reason it starts to look like Hu Xijin

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In the past whenever people reminded me "Director Wang, you look like Hu Xijin again"

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I would usually hurry to get a haircut

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But the situation is a bit special this time

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I just got back from Taiwan, have to hurry and resume making videos

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Like I said yesterday, if I don't resume making videos, we will go bankrupt

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But getting a haircut is quite troublesome

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Because I go to a relatively fixed location to get my hair cut

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The barber there is quite familiar with my hairstyle

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Every time I go

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Without me saying anything he just cuts it into that style

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But if I randomly find a barbershop

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Because my Japanese is quite bad

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The Japanese barber might just cut my hair into Hu Xijin's style, that would be terrible

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So getting a haircut on a work day

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Is not something I can casually do

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Because that barbershop is quite far from me

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Each visit takes half a day

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So I can only go get a haircut on weekends

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So everyone please bear with me for a few more days

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This weekend I will definitely go get a haircut

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By then, this Director Wang that looks like Hu Xijin will transform

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And become a refreshed and spirited Director Wang again

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What topic shall we discuss today

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Because I was in Taiwan last week and did not make any videos

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But actually quite a lot happened in terms of domestic news last week

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Today I want to talk about a relatively big news from last week

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On October 18, the third Belt and Road Summit was held in Beijing

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This summit was actually postponed

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Because the first Belt and Road summit was held in 2017

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The second in 2019, conventionally it should be held every two years

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The third should have been in 2021

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But as everyone knows, in 2021 there was the pandemic

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Xi Jinping was holed up in Zhongnanhai everyday wearing a mask

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Watching everyone be afraid of infecting him

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He didn't dare hold the Belt and Road summit either

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So in 2021 there was only a video conference, not at leader level

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It wasn't until 2023

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That he was sure no one else could infect him

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This year after he confirmed no one else could infect him

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That the third summit was finally held in Beijing

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But the third summit coincided with the 10th anniversary of Belt and Road

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So the scale this year was still quite grand

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Because Belt and Road was first proposed in 2013

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Not long after Xi Jinping came to power, during a visit to Kazakhstan

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He proposed the Silk Road Economic Belt

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After proposing it, some small Southeast Asian countries pandered to Xi Jinping

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Saying "You can't just have the Silk Road, we want to participate too"

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A few weeks later he also proposed the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road

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That's how Belt and Road started

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Up until this year it's the 10 year anniversary

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So the scale of this year's third Belt and Road Summit was made very grand

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140 plus countries sent representatives to participate

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Over 10 countries' leaders came to Beijing to attend the summit

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The heavyweight among them was Russia's President Putin

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"Salute"

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As everyone knows, since the Russia-Ukraine war

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Putin has been wanted by international courts

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So he generally doesn't dare to travel abroad now

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Earlier he didn't attend the BRICS summit in South Africa

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Because South Africa has extradition treaties with international courts

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If Putin went he could have been arrested

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So Putin has basically been holed up in Russia for over a year

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But you saw for the sake of this third summit

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He specially came to Beijing to pander to Xi Jinping

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Not only that

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Before coming to Beijing

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He accepted an exclusive interview with CCTV's "High-End Interview" program

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During the interview, Putin lavished praise on Xi Jinping

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"President Putin, you've met with Chairman Xi around 40 times"

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"In your view, what kind of leader is Xi Jinping?"

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"Do you have any interesting stories between the two of you that you can share with us?"

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"Chairman Xi is a globally recognized leader"

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"I'm very glad you mentioned 2013 earlier"

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"His speech at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations"

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"I still have to relate your current question"

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"To the proposal of the joint Belt and Road initiative"

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"This is the third time today I'm repeating this topic, because it is very important"

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"Chairman Xi is not a leader who makes decisions based on temporary circumstances"

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"He analyzes situations, evaluates circumstances, and makes long-term considerations with foresight"

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"This is very important"

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"This is the real world leader"

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"The difference from those we call 'temporary workers'"

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"'Temporary workers' come for five minutes, show off a bit on the world stage"

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"Then disappear without a trace"

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"Chairman Xi is another kind of person"

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"He is a steadfast, composed, pragmatic and reliable partner"

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Calling him a world leader, although there is a "one of",

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But you can see the relationship now between Russia and China

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Is already very different from what many of us imagined in the past

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Because whenever Russia is mentioned

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Many Chinese Twitter users say it's "Russia dad"

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That China has to be filial to its "Russia dad"

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But you can actually see Putin's relationship with China now

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Is already not "Russia dad, filial China son"

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But rather Russia has basically become a "Russia grandson" status

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Why is that

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Ultimately relationships between countries are determined by economics

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Russia's current GDP is less than one Chinese province

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Think about it, how can it still act as China's dad

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And China has so many projects investing in it

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Everyone should know, the biggest recipient of Belt and Road funds is Russia

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Over $300 billion in the past decade

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The biggest project among them

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Is the China-Russia natural gas pipeline project

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With total investment of $55 billion

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So think about how high Russia's economic dependence on China is now

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So how can it possibly still act superior

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Impossible

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So coming to China is also pandering to China

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So how to view this summit

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And China's Belt and Road overall

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In the past regarding Belt and Road

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On Chinese Twitter and also Chinese political commentary YouTube channels

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The consensus is basically that Belt and Road is a huge failure

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Their main reasons are two aspects

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First, it's a massive money squandering effort

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China's domestic economy is riddled with problems, people living in misery

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Yet Xi Jinping threw out $1 trillion

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Randomly spending it all over the world in the past decade

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Just spending it randomly, first

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Secondly, these investment projects have all failed tremendously

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Almost all ran huge losses or left those countries heavily indebted

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Whether economically or politically

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This is a total failure of a project

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This is a common view

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But I personally think this view may still have some problems

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So today I'm going to talk about

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My view on China's One Belt One Road initiative

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First we have to trace back

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Why China wanted to launch One Belt One Road at that time

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One very important reason

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Is that as China slowly transforms from a developing country

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To a developed country, how to deal with

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The problem of China's manufacturing capacity built up in the past

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As we all know, China's manufacturing has conquered the world

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So a very big problem brought by China's manufacturing

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Is that as China's labor costs rise,

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And its domestic consumption is also limited,

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What will happen when China's manufacturing becomes overcapacity after continuous growth

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Take steel production for example

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The world's annual steel output is 1.8 billion tons

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China's steel output is 1 billion tons

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China accounts for about 55% of the world's steel output

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India is second

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India's output is only 120 million tons

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Baowu Steel, the merger of Baosteel and Wuhan Iron and Steel

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Has an annual capacity of 130 million tons

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Higher than the entire steel output of India

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So you can imagine, with such huge steel capacity

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It was certainly very important

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During China's rapid infrastructural growth

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But as you gradually become a developed country

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You won't need so much crude steel

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So look

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The path taken by past developed countries

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The US, Japan, the UK, Europe

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They also all had such an era of infrastructural boom

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But after becoming developed countries

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They would gradually transfer such capacity to developing countries

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Take their steel production for example

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It peaked in the 1970s

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And then started declining

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As the capacity moved to China, they stopped domestic production

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But this also has some problems

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That is, after transferring those labor-intensive industries to developing countries

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Your own industries must upgrade

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Otherwise you will face double dilemmas

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First, so-called "hollowing out" of industries

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Because you have moved manufacturing away

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As everyone knows, the Rust Belt in the US

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These areas started experiencing declining employment

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And the economic recession caused by failed industrial upgrading

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On the other hand

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If you manage to upgrade, then it's fine

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But if you fail to upgrade

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Then the momentum for your economic growth may diminish soon

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Let me give an example, Taiwan in China

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It was actually the leading economy among the "Four Asian Tigers"

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With very rapid economic growth

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It was mainly relying on labor-intensive industries

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But after China's mainland started Reform and Opening up

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Most of Taiwan's labor-intensive industries

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Moved to mainland China

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And some Southeast Asian countries

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However, Taiwan's own industrial upgrading was not very successful

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So in the past 20 years

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Everyone can see

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Taiwan's economic growth has been quite slow

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It has even been surpassed by South Korea and others

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This illustrates the downside if you transfer industries overseas

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So I understand

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China's strong awareness of the problems faced in its industrial upgrading process

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There is a strong recognition

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That China's manufacturing

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Which has been very important for China's development, cannot be abandoned

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So you see China is very wary of transferring capacity to Vietnam, India, etc.

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It is unwilling to do so

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It hopes China can continue to maintain its status as a manufacturing power

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But then the problem comes

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As a manufacturing power producing so much crude steel, cement

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Producing so much of such "output"

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Its own market cannot digest it

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So China now has an idea

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Not only to conquer the world with products made in China

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It also hopes to conquer the world with "Made in China" itself

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What does it mean by "Made in China" conquering the world

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For example, building highways

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This is certainly not a Chinese product

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Because products can be moved

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But highways cannot be moved

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So China's idea is

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I will export my infrastructure capacity to the whole world

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By helping you build highways

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China solves its own employment problem

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And excess capacity problem

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At the same time, it keeps "Made in China" capability at home in China

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This is actually the original motive when China first initiated One Belt One Road

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Personally

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I think this idea is quite smart

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Because if "Made in China" capacity is completely transferred to India, Vietnam

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China's employment may decline

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Because after all China is not a very advanced developed country

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It still needs employment opportunities very much

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On the other hand

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If these capacities are transferred away

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And China fails to fully upgrade its industries

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Then China may soon face insufficient momentum for economic growth

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So if "Made in China" can really go global

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In the form of One Belt One Road

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It would really open up new horizons for China

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Next, let's review

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How the so-called One Belt One Road has developed in the past 10 years

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Personally

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I think "Made in China" still has certain competitiveness in going global

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Everyone can see

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The most obvious example is in 2015

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When China competed with Japan for the Jakarta-Bandung high-speed railway

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Because Japan had built Shinkansen for decades

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The technology is very mature, with zero accidents

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But it lost to China in the bidding for the Jakarta-Bandung high-speed railway

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Why?

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Despite Japan offering even better terms than China

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China's bid was $5.1 billion

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Japan's bid was less than $5 billion, cheaper than China's

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China's loan was from the China Development Bank

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With 2% interest rate

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While Japan's loan was in Japanese Yen

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With only 0.1% interest rate

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China's rate was 20 times that of Japan's

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But in the end Indonesia chose China instead of Japan

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Indonesia chose China instead of Japan

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For several main reasons

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First, China proposed a shorter construction period

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To start construction in 2016 and complete it in 2019

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Although it was not fulfilled later due to the pandemic

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Second, in Japan's package proposal

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It required Indonesia to raise 30% of the funds itself

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And loan the remaining 70%

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Requiring the Indonesian government to provide a sovereign guarantee

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That is, if the project loses money in the future

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The Indonesian government will pay it back

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But in China's proposal

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It did not require any sovereign guarantee from the Indonesian government

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That is, China was willing to take all the operational risks of the entire Jakarta-Bandung railway

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If the railway loses money, China takes the loss

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So the final operation model of the Jakarta-Bandung high-speed railway

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China and Indonesia's companies set up a joint venture

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China holds 40% stake, with a 50 year concession

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The money collected from ticket sales in these 50 years is used to repay bank loans

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If it fails to repay, China loses money

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So the Indonesian government eventually chose China

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The Jakarta-Bandung high-speed railway has been built recently

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And entered the trial operation phase

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I think the first three months are free now

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Everyone can ride it

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The ticket price is said to be 120 RMB when officially in operation

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Whether it can make money eventually, we don't know

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But we can see China's manufacturing competitiveness is still there

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Not to mention those highway projects

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Projects like dams, power plants built in many countries

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China's One Belt One Road now is indeed marching forward on all fronts

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So how should we evaluate China's One Belt One Road project?

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Can it succeed?

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Personally I think the success or sustainability

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Of One Belt One Road depends on two considerations

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The first is China's continued economic growth

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Because without China's economic growth

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Naturally there won't be so much money

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To support One Belt One Road projects

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Because most of these projects are US dollar loans

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Not just RMB loans

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So where do the US dollar loans come from?

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They come from China's economic growth and trade surplus

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This is very important, the first point

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Second, the economic growth of the One Belt One Road investment recipient countries themselves

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Take the Jakarta-Bandung railway I just mentioned

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Whether the Jakarta-Bandung railway can recoup the investment

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Depends on one factor

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That is Indonesia's economic growth

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If at Indonesia's current economic level

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In the next 30 to 50 years

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If it does not develop

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The Jakarta-Bandung railway will definitely be a losing project

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Because the ticket price of 120 RMB

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Is still quite expensive for many Indonesians

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About 1/10 of their average monthly income

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Only with economic growth can the ticket price possibly increase

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Or passenger traffic grows, so the project can make profit

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China's thinking is: look at when we first built high-speed rail in China

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Many places did not have particularly large passenger volume at the beginning

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But after building them and operating for a few years, a virtuous cycle formed

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Then high-speed rail itself started positive feedback

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But can China's economic growth

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Achieve such effects in these countries?

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We don't know

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Not all these developing countries

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Can replicate China's economic growth

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If you can replicate China's economic growth

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Then China's One Belt One Road projects become

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Something similar to the Marshall Plan in the past

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Because the Marshall Plan did not actually spend a lot of money

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It was a catalytic project

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That ultimately turned Japan and European countries

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From defeated nations

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Into emerging economies with robust growth

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But if it is just a pure capital injection

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To be honest, it would not have much meaning

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And for many developing countries

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If you want to give them real catalytic functions

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With just a few projects, it is quite difficult

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Take some African countries for example

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These countries have failed social governance

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Simply giving them a few projects

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Can hardly enable overall economic progress of the entire country

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So this is also a

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Very significant challenge for China's One Belt One Road projects

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Finally, let me think again

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How to evaluate China's One Belt One Road projects

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I think it is hard to simply label it as a "failure"

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Because One Belt One Road now has two goals

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The first goal is of course the economic goal

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That is what we talked about earlier

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To export China's capacity and manufacturing overseas

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Because such export is also beneficial to China's own economy

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But on the other hand, it actually also has a political goal

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That is to say, when the economic goal cannot be achieved

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If its political goal is achieved

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Then from a certain perspective

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One Belt One Road has also achieved its goal

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For example, the very large One Belt One Road projects

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Between China and Russia

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Are more due to geopolitical considerations

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That natural gas project can ensure long-term energy supply to China for the next 30 years

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And also bind Russia's economy tightly to itself

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Making Russia China's "little brother"

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So in this project process

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Whether it makes money may not be so important

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More important considerations may be political

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And by investing in many developing countries

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Many of its projects may indeed lose money

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But China lets these countries

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Fall into debt traps from a certain perspective

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It can also gain political benefits

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For example, Bangladesh, as we all know, went bankrupt

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China's investment totaled 12 billion USD in debt

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That certainly cannot be repaid

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But China can hence obtain greater interests in Bangladesh

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For example, leasing its ports

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Compared to its ports

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For example, there is a country in Europe called Montenegro, as we all know

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China built a highway in Montenegro, over 40 km

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Montenegro borrowed 1.2 billion USD from China to build this highway

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Montenegro only has a population of 800,000

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It wanted to build highways and tourism projects

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It talked to the EU for many years, but the EU didn't approve

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As a result, Montenegro turned to China, and China readily agreed

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It is very likely Montenegro will not be able to repay this debt in the future

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But now Montenegro is already an EU accession candidate

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There is an opinion

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That by next year, Montenegro may join the EU

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But the EU makes decisions based on "unanimous agreement"

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If after joining the EU

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Montenegro cannot repay its debt to China

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Think about it, facing China

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Would Montenegro still dare to firmly say "no" to China?

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So China only spent over a billion dollars

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To leverage a country like Montenegro

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This country may also join the EU

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Did China make money or lose money?

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In my view, China may have really made money

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So in fact

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The risk of China trapping many countries in debt

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Is now also a very important factor

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That the US and Europe see as very disturbing

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Then Montenegro itself also said: What can I do?

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I am just undeveloped, I do want highways

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I asked you EU but you didn't give me

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So you can see

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In response to China's One Belt One Road projects

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The US and Europe have started taking action recently

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The EU launched a “Global Gateway” plan

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The so-called “Gateway” plan means

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You countries outside the EU also want infrastructure

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Don't just look for China, we EU can also provide

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But the conditions it put forward are

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Your bidding process needs to be transparentized, no corruption, etc.

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To be honest, this “Global Gateway” plan is in response to China's “Belt and Road”

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The US recently started a project called the “Global Fund”

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30 billion USD

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The EU's “Global Gateway” plan is also 30 billion Euros

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Both are to meet the challenge of China's “Belt and Road”

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From my personal perspective

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I think the projects launched by the US, EU and China

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Can indeed benefit developing countries

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Because of the rivalry between these major powers

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You are competing to launch so-called “infrastructure plans”

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Only then can these (developing) countries really obtain

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Funding from these countries to help their development

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Of course, ultimately all this depends on one factor

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That is whether China's “Belt and Road” plan

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As I said earlier, if these projects cannot be sustained

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If it is just a capital injection project, it is doomed to be unsustainable

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So in this process

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Whether it can transform from simple capital injection to catalysis

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It's still a bit early to evaluate right now

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We may need more time to see

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As for China trapping many countries in debt crises

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And hence gaining greater political benefits

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At least from what I currently see, countries around the world don't seem to have very good countermeasures yet

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This is also one step in China's attempt

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To shape a new international order

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Because it has spent money to gain control of some countries

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Turning them into its own interest allies

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Or a pawn during the new international order

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That follows China's baton

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I have always said

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China's challenge to this world has only just begun

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Don't just look at the undeveloped countries participating

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In this Belt and Road summit

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Because these undeveloped countries are the very important pieces

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China wants to leverage on the chessboard

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What it confronts are the US and Europe

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So think about it

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It is natural that the US and Europe do not participate in “Belt and Road”

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But if all these countries are won over by China

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It would actually pose a very big challenge

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During the whole international order process

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Okay, I will stop here today, thank you everyone

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“Salute”

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