Campus Protests, Antisemitism, and Western Values (Episode #367)
Summary
TLDREl script del podcast explora la preocupación del host, Sam Harris, sobre el aumento del antisemitismo y la influencia de las redes sociales en la agitación política, especialmente en las universidades. Harris critica la respuesta inadecuada y hipócrita de las instituciones educativas ante incidentes de hostigamiento y violencia contra estudiantes judíos, argumentando que estas acciones no serían toleradas si los afectados pertenecieran a otros grupos étnicos. El discurso también aborda la fuente de financiación de grupos estudiantiles y su conexión con el Estado de Qatar y la Muslim Brotherhood, así como la creciente confusión moral y el miedo a reconocer la amenaza del extremismo islámico. Harris insiste en la necesidad de defender los valores occidentales y la libertad de expresión, y cuestiona la actitud de ciertos sectores de la sociedad que parecen alentarse mutuamente en un círculo vicioso de autocrítica y miedo a ser los malos. Finalmente, el host llama a la sociedad a madurar y proteger sus valores fundamentales frente a fuerzas que buscan socavarlos.
Takeaways
- 🌐 La combinación de un smartphone y las redes sociales parece estar llevando a nuestra especie a la locura, afectando el comportamiento y la percepción de eventos, como las protestas en campus universitarios.
- 😠 Hay una creciente preocupación sobre el antisemitismo, con el reconocimiento de que es un problema más grande de lo que se había imaginado.
- 🏛 Las respuestas de las universidades a los incidentes de hostigamiento y violencia han sido insuficientes y hipócritas, mostrando una clara doble基準.
- 🤔 La tolerancia de las administraciones universitarias hacia el comportamiento inaceptable sienta un peligroso precedente y debe ser abordada con firmeza.
- 💰 Qatar ha proporcionado decenas de miles de millones de dólares a universidades occidentales, lo que podría estar influyendo en la narrativa y la tolerancia hacia ciertos grupos y actitudes.
- 📉 El daño a la reputación de instituciones educativas卓越的由于学生抗议活动和 la percepción de apoyo a grupos como Hamas ha sido extraordinario y perjudicial.
- 👨👩👧👦 Es necesario un reconocimiento de que hay amenazas reales a la libertad y la tolerancia en el mundo, y la política de identidad es una de ellas.
- 📉 La identidad política y la confusión moral han llevado a una generación de estudiantes a apoyar a grupos que representan la aniquilación de los valores que deberían valorar.
- 🏙️ La visión de izquierdas que considera a Israel como un opresor y a los palestinos como víctimas, sin importar las circunstancias, es un enfoque tóxico e incorrecto.
- 📈 La creciente hostilidad y el antisemitismo en el mundo están impulsando la necesidad de un estado propio para los judíos y la defensa de Israel sin disculpas.
- 🌟 Los valores occidentales, como la libertad de expresión y la tolerancia, son fundamentales y deben ser defendidos activamente frente a cualquier amenaza, incluyendo la ideología extremista.
Q & A
¿Qué opina Sam Harris sobre las protestas universitarias en relación con la situación en Gaza?
-Sam Harris considera que hay una gran confusión y un montón de enojo en las protestas, y sugiere que mucho del caos que vemos en línea es performativo, es decir, está siendo orquestado para las cámaras. Critica que los eventos en sí mismos no ocurrirían o no tendrían la misma magnitud sin la capacidad de difundirlos en las redes sociales.
¿Cómo ve Harris el apoyo a Hamás por parte de algunos estudiantes universitarios?
-Harris está preocupado y considera que el apoyo a Hamás, una organización que él describe como genocida, por parte de estudiantes en universidades prestigiosas indica un problema más amplio de antisemitismo y confusión moral.
¿Qué dice Harris sobre la respuesta de las universidades a las protestas y el comportamiento de los estudiantes?
-Harris critica que la respuesta de las universidades ha sido insuficiente y hipócrita, señalando que las políticas universitarias en torno a las protestas han sido violadas durante meses y que hay un doble estándar obvio que constituye antisemitismo.
¿Por qué Harris cree que la situación en el Medio Oriente y la postura de Israel es tan compleja para la sociedad occidental?
-Harris argumenta que la confusión moral y la falta de comprensión sobre el extremismo islámico y la doctrina de Hamás hacen que la situación sea compleja. Además, señala la influencia de la teología de grupos como el Muslim Brotherhood y la financiación de universidades por países como Qatar, que promueven intereses que van en contra de los valores occidentales.
¿Qué papel cree que juega el dinero y el petróleo en la influencia de la teología política de países como Qatar en universidades occidentales?
-Harris sugiere que la influencia de la teología política de países como Qatar, que ha dado decenas de miles de millones de dólares a universidades en Estados Unidos, Canadá y Reino Unido, ha sido un factor significativo en la promoción de visiones que no son favorables a Israel y que contribuyen a la confusión y al antisemitismo en el mundo académico.
¿Qué sugiere Harris que debería hacerse en las universidades para abordar el problema del antisemitismo y la influencia de intereses extranjeros?
-Harris sugiere que las universidades deben realizar un 'reset' difícil, purgando la burocracia y la teocracia que han construido a lo largo de décadas, rechazando el dinero de países como Qatar, y volviendo a un compromiso con los valores de la Ilustración, incluyendo la investigación y la enseñanza basados en el mérito y no en la identidad.
¿Cómo Harris ve la relación entre el antisemitismo y la crítica a Israel?
-Harris reconoce que aunque la crítica a Israel no siempre equivale al antisemitismo, en la actualidad, debido a la naturaleza de muchas críticas y el contexto, es probable que la mayoría de las personas que se identifican como antizionistas también tengan tendencias antisemitas.
¿Qué papel cree que juegan las identidades políticas y la 'opresión olimpíada' en la confusión sobre la situación en Oriente Medio?
-Harris argumenta que la identidad política y la competencia por ser reconocidos como la víctima más oprimida (la 'opresión olimpíada') han llevado a una serie de confusión en la izquierda y en la sociedad en general, lo que ha resultado en una comprensión distorsionada de la realidad en Oriente Medio.
¿Qué soluciones propone Harris para proteger y mejorar los valores occidentales en una sociedad cada vez más influenciada por extremismos y mentiras?
-Harris propone una defensa real de los valores occidentales, que incluye la libertad de expresión, la tolerancia y la diversidad, pero también la defensa de las ideas que hacen posible esa libertad y tolerancia. Sugiere que los medios de comunicación y las instituciones educativas deben volver a ser 'moralmente sanas' y luchar contra la propaganda y la desinformación.
¿Por qué Harris considera que la inmigración de musulmanes seculares o ex musulmanes puede ser beneficiosa para la sociedad occidental?
-Harris ve a los musulmanes seculares, liberales y ex musulmanes como potencialmente valiosos inmigrantes porque provienen de sociedades donde comprenden las razones por las cuales la vida en Occidente es mejor, no solo por la riqueza sino también por los valores superiores, y pueden contribuir a la lucha contra el extremismo dentro de la comunidad musulmana.
¿Qué papel ven los medios de comunicación y las universidades en la promoción de una comprensión más clara de la realidad en Oriente Medio?
-Harris critica que los medios de comunicación y las universidades no estén cumpliendo su papel de manera efectiva, lo que lleva a una promoción de mentiras y una comprensión distorsionada de la situación en Oriente Medio, particularmente en relación con el conflicto israelí-palestino.
Outlines
🎙️ Podcast de Sam Harris: Protestas universitarias y el problema del antisemitismo
Sam Harris aborda la situación de las protestas en campus universitarios y cómo la tecnología y las redes sociales pueden estar exacerbando la situación. Critica la respuesta inadecuada e hipócrita de las universidades ante incidentes de antisemitismo, y señala la falta de tolerancia hacia el comportamiento inaceptable por parte de estudiantes y profesores. Harris también destaca la influencia de la doteción de Qatar a universidades y su impacto en la ideología de grupos como el Movimiento por la Justicia en Palestina.
💸 Influencia financiera y la desinformación en el conflicto de Gaza
Se discute la influencia del petróleo y el dinero en la política exterior, especialmente en relación con el apoyo de Qatar a universidades y su efecto en la forma en que se ven los conflictos, como el de Gaza. Harris señala la desinformación y la manipulación de la opinión pública por parte de grupos financiados por el Muslim Brotherhood y la necesidad de una mayor comprensión y honestidad en la cobertura periodística y académica.
📚 La crisis de valores universitarios y la respuesta al antisemitismo
Harris reflexiona sobre el daño a la reputación de instituciones educativas debido a su manejo del antisemitismo y la hipocresía en sus políticas. Aboga por una transformación en las universidades para rechazar la influencia del fundamentalismo y la teología política, y para volver a comprometerse con los valores de la Ilustración.
🤔 La confusión moral y la identidad política en el conflicto israelí-palestino
Se explora la confusión moral en la percepción pública, especialmente entre los jóvenes y la izquierda política, sobre el conflicto entre Israel y Palestina. Harris cuestiona la narrativa de víctimas y opressores y cómo esta puede llevar a apoyar a grupos como Hamás, que promueven la violencia y la intolerancia.
🕊️ La crítica a la extrema derecha y la necesidad de defender los valores occidentales
Harris aborda el extremismo de la derecha y cómo la narrativa de 'Gran Reemplazo' y otros prejuicios pueden ser perjudiciales. Sin embargo, enfatiza la importancia de defender los valores occidentales y la libertad de expresión, y cómo la identidad política y la polarización pueden socavar estos principios fundamentales.
🏛️ La importancia de la verdad y la comunicación honesta en la política y la sociedad
Harris insiste en la necesidad de una comunicación honesta y la importancia de los periodistas y políticos para entender y transmitir la realidad de la influencia del fundamentalismo religioso en conflictos globales. Critica la actitud de superioridad y la falta de entendimiento sobre las diferencias entre Islam y otros movimientos religiosos.
📖 La naturaleza intrínsecamente política del Islam y su impacto en la sociedad
Se hace una distinción entre el Islam y el islamismo, y se discute la naturaleza política del Islam desde su inicio, contrastando con otras religiones como el cristianismo. Harris señala la importancia de entender la historia y los fundamentos del Islam para contextualizar los conflictos modernos y la resistencia al cambio político.
🕊️ La paz imposible: el conflicto israelí-palestino y la misión del Islam
Harris reflexiona sobre la imposibilidad de lograr la paz en el conflicto entre Israel y Palestina debido a la misión del Islam de conquista y sumisión. Destaca la intolerancia y el amor por el martirio como elementos centrales en el Islam, y cuestiona la narrativa de que el conflicto es una cuestión de poder y no de fe religiosa.
🏥 El martirio y la barbarie: la perspectiva de un cirujano palestino
Se presenta una narrativa de un cirujano palestino que perdió a su familia debido a los combates entre Hamás y Israel. La historia ilustra la complejidad de las víctimas y los combatientes en la región y cómo la idea del martirio puede influir en la actitud de los militantes hacia la violencia y la muerte.
🌍 La lucha de civilizaciones y la importancia de defender los valores occidentales
Harris habla sobre la necesidad de defender los valores occidentales frente a la influencia del fundamentalismo islámico y otros valores que entran en conflicto con la tolerancia y la diversidad. Argumenta que la oposición entre el Islam tradicional y los valores occidentales es una preocupación existencial para Israel y podría serlo para el resto del mundo.
🚫 El reto de las sociedades abiertas: mantener los valores frente a los enemigos
Se discute cómo las sociedades abiertas pueden mantener y mejorar sus valores en un mundo con enemigos reales. Harris argumenta que es crucial limitar la propagación de la desinformación y la ideología extremista, y que los inmigrantes que comparten y promueven los valores occidentales son invaluables para la lucha de ideas.
🗣️ La libertad de expresión y la desinformación: el papel de las plataformas privadas
Harris reflexiona sobre el desafío de la libertad de expresión y la desinformación en las plataformas privadas y la sociedad civil. Critica la proliferación de mentiras que afectan la gobernabilidad de la sociedad y la necesidad de que las plataformas私营 (privadas) y la sociedad civil actúen para contener el problema.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Protestas universitarias
💡Antisemitismo
💡Hamas
💡Performativo
💡Universidades
💡Identidad de género
💡Estado de Israel
💡Extremismo islámico
💡Valores occidentales
💡Inmigración
💡Libertad de expresión
Highlights
Sam Harris discusses the performative nature of campus protests and their relation to social media.
Harris expresses concern over the impact of smartphones and social media on societal behavior.
He criticizes the response of universities to protests, highlighting a perceived double standard constituting anti-Semitism.
Harris argues that students who physically prevent Jewish students from accessing buildings should be expelled.
He draws an analogy between the response to protests about China's treatment of Uighur Muslims and the protests on campus.
Harris condemns the support for Hamas among student protesters, calling it a genocidal death cult.
The influence of Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood on Western universities is examined.
Harris criticizes identitarian politics and its impact on the perception of conflicts, such as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
He calls for a defense of Western values against the threats of identity politics and Islamic extremism.
Harris discusses the challenges of being a committed Zionist in light of the current political climate.
The podcast touches on the anti-Semitism Awareness Act and its potential issues.
Harris expresses the need for a clear understanding of the threat posed by Islamist extremism to open societies.
He emphasizes the importance of not allowing misinformation about Israel to go unchallenged.
Harris addresses the complexity of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the role of religious beliefs in fueling the conflict.
The podcast concludes with a call to protect Western societies from those who would undermine their foundational values.
Transcripts
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welcome to the making sense podcast this
is Sam
Harris well I suppose I should say
something about the campus protests
there's a lot of anger and confusion out
there just how much of a problem is
this well there's no question that much
of the chaos we see online is
performative which is to say that it's
being staged for the cameras that
doesn't mean it's entirely
insincere but it is interesting to
consider whether the events themselves
would have happened or would have
happened at this scale and have this
character absent an ability to broadcast
them on social media of course this
concern relates to far more than what's
happening on college campuses in
response to the war in Gaza the
combination of a smartphone and social
media appears to be driving our species
crazy we're all effectively walking
around with a television studio in our
pockets and the question is what is this
doing to us so this is just to say that
when I see video of crowds of very smug
and very hostile kids at our finest
universities effectively supporting
Hamas I'm a little slowed to conclude
that this tells me everything I need to
know about the scope of the problem as
I've said before the entire aftermath of
October 7th has convinced me that I've
been almost totally asleep to the
current reality of anti-Semitism so I
think it is a far bigger problem than I
realized but I still don't know how
informative it is to see a video of some
imbecile at Colombia or Harvard shouting
for the Jews to go back to
Poland what I can say is that the
response of these universities has been
totally inadequate and hypocritical
their policies around protests have
clearly been violated and have been for
months and as many people have pointed
out it's the obvious double standard
here that constitutes
anti-Semitism I'm less worried about the
specifics of each ugly incident than I
am about the fact that the
administrations have been tolerating
behavior that they simply would not
tolerate had the objects of all this
derision and abuse been anyone else if
these colleges had any number of people
shouting that blacks should go back to
Africa or that trans people deserve to
die these students to say nothing of
professors who said such things would be
expelled and this is clearly what should
happen to the most uncivil actors here
all the kids who've been physically
preventing Jewish students from
accessing buildings on campus
threatening them with violence simply
because they are Jewish these kids
should be expelled without
question even if you concede that Israel
is totally in the wrong this would not
justify the behavior we've been seeing
on
campus imagine that China was doing
something awful and worthy of protest
which of course China often is it's put
2 million Wagers and turkic Muslims in
concentration camps where they are
reportedly subjected to torture and
sterilization and forced labor where the
protests apparently no one cares not a
peep out of Harvard or Stanford or
Princeton or Yale but let's say all
these activist students started caring
about China's abuse of their Muslim
population and were protesting that
imagine how the universities would
respond if these protesters started
targeting other students on campus just
because they happen to be Chinese as
though ethnically Chinese Americans or
even Chinese Nationals at Harvard could
be culpable for what the Chinese
government was now doing imagine them
not letting Chinese students access
buildings okay this would be immediately
recognized to be morally insane and it
odds with every core value of a
university and there would be zero
tolerance for it but the analogy
actually understates the perversity of
what's been happening because many of
these students are not merely protesting
Injustice and cruelty and innocent death
and just happen to be harassing the
wrong people rather many of them are
supporting Injustice and cruelty and
innocent death
explicitly globalize the inapa isn't a
call for peace it's a call for the
indiscriminate murder of Jews I mean I'm
willing to cut college kids a fair
amount of slack but you mean to tell me
that students at Harvard and Princeton
and Stanford don't know that Palestinian
in do entail a fair amount of suicidal
terrorism and the deliberate murder of
non-combatants the deliberate murder of
non-combatants I might have been
confused about a few things when I was
19 but I was never that
confused how did these kids get so
turned
around well there are many reasons but
here's one Qatar the pro state has given
tens of billions of dollars to US
Canadian and British universities Qatar
has given more money to Western
universities than any other country on
Earth the regime that controls Qatar is
directly governed by the Theology of the
Muslim Brotherhood of which Hamas is an
offshoot where Jews are concerned the
Muslim Brotherhood is a fusion of
islamism and Nazism and actually
genocidal in intent through another
radical group American Muslims for
Palestine the Muslim Brotherhood funds
the student group that has been one of
the primary organizers of these protests
students for justice in Palestine they
also fund a group of very confused Jews
at these protests Jewish voices for
peace this money Trail was exposed by
Charles Asher small at The Institute for
the study of global anti-Semitism and
policy Qatar also owns major soccer
teams in Europe and Al jazer the
so-called news organization which has
the same journalistic Integrity as
Russia Today okay it's just a fountain
of islamist lies all of this to a scop
on the west and on Western education in
particular for decades we have had
Middle Eastern studies departments
funded by islamist theocrats and
anti-semites why have we tolerated this
malicious exercise of soft power seems
that money and oil are still just
irresistible students for justice in
Palestine wrote The Following in
response to the atrocities of October
7th National Liberation is near glory to
our resistance to our Martyrs to our
steadfast people resistance comes in all
forms arm struggle General strikes and
popular demonstrations all of it is
legitimate and all of it is
necessary okay this was their immediate
response in support of the intentional
Massacre of families and the taking of
children as hostages before Israel did
anything in response that's the moral
Vision that inspired these campus
protests
however direct funding by islamist
theocrats is only one strand of
influence as I'll discuss there's also
the identitarian moral Panic that has
duded the left for years which I've
covered a lot on this podcast which Maps
every conflict in the world to an
oppressor oppressed narrative again I
don't want to exaggerate the scope of
the problem but it is pretty appalling
that the largest student protest
movement since the 1960s has
distinguished Itself by being this
confused about what is really going on
in the world and is lending support to
groups like Hamas that represent the
annihilation of everything these
students should
value and the next time I see a job
applicant from what used to be a great
University Harvard Princeton Yale or
even my own Alma moders Stanford and
UCLA which have been terrible my first
thought literally my first thought will
be were you one of these imbeciles who
couldn't figure out who the bad guys
were on October 7th really the brand
damage to these institutions has been
extraordinary okay we now know that
hundreds of professors at these schools
support
Hamas which again is a genocidal death
cult that's not my opinion that is how
Hamas describes itself they want to kill
all the Jews on Earth and to die as
Martyrs that is is the recipe for being
an anti-semitic genocidal death cult any
Professor who supports Hamas should be
fired as you would fire any Professor
who openly supported the Nazis in the
immediate aftermath of a Nazi atrocity
this is not a First Amendment issue no
one has a constitutional right to be at
Harvard in any
capacity and I can say with confidence
that the first good schools to
accomplish a hard reset here admitting
that they've lost their way purging the
Dei bureaucracy and theocracy that
they've built over decades where the
best of intentions grew malignant and
metastasized the first universities to
fully Reb Buddha commitment to
Enlightenment values no more money from
Qatar you idiots no more stealth
islamism in your Departments of Middle
Eastern studies no more Reverse Racism
against Asian and white applicants no
more identitarian victim culture no more
ding for racists no more winging about
Halloween costumes no more
intersectional arsonists pretending to
put out fires that they started just
great books and great teachers and real
research and no more apologies
the first Elite schools to do that will
win so much support and Good Will and an
avalanche of applications and donors
they'll solidify their reputations into
the next
Century I wouldn't even know where I
would want to send my daughters to
college at this point happily we don't
have to think about this for a couple of
years but all the best schools and even
the second and third best schools appear
to be in the process of destroying
themselves again I realize it's a
minority of students protesting on even
the most baguer campuses but it's the
response of the institutions themselves
that has been so
reprehensible now as a result of all
this there is a widespread sense in the
Jewish community that more must be done
to combat anti-Semitism there's even a
bill that has just passed the House of
Representatives the anti-Semitism
awareness act which would make it easier
for Jews to make civil rights complaints
unfortunately this bill seems to
conflate certain criticisms of Israel
with
anti-Semitism I'll grant that most
people who claim to be anti-zionist at
this point are probably also
anti-Semitic this is pretty obvious from
what they're saying and what they're not
saying it used to be the case you could
be anti-zionist without being
anti-semitic my friend Christopher
Hitchens certainly was that and I was
sort of that at one point but I'm not
sure it's a position one can truly
occupy now October 7th changed my
thinking on this I remain uncomfortable
with the concept of any sort of
religious ethnostate but given the
murderous anti-Semitism of so much of
the world given that almost every
country that has had a population of Jew
Jews has at some point actively
persecuted them and driven them out
literally almost any country you can
name in Europe or North Africa or the
Middle East has done this at some point
given the tolerance of this Reality by
billions of onlookers well then the Jews
clearly need a state of their own and it
should defend itself without apology yet
we have the two largest religions on
Earth Christianity and Islam which
Encompass half of humanity whose
theology has reviled the Jews as Eternal
enemies for thousands of years if half
the world hated the EES like this and if
much of what the world believed about
them amounted to a deranged conspiracy
theory I would say that the Idis needed
their own State too I'll be happy to
revisit this issue in a 100 years when
we made some moral progress but until
then count me a committed
Zionist however I think talking about
Zionism is totally counter productive we
should talk about Israel's right as the
lone democracy in the Middle East to
defend itself I also think that focusing
on anti-Semitism at this moment as much
as it really is a problem is the wrong
approach to addressing a much more
fundamental problem which is the hatred
of Western Civilization coming from so
many of its own inhabitants and
beneficiaries and the very real clash
between the West which includes Israel
and every other civilized democracy and
Islam in particular particular islamism
and jihadism depending on the context we
can call it radical Islam or Islamic
extremism or Islam
fascism call it whatever you want but
what you can't do honestly is say that
this species of belligerent lunacy has
no connection to the mainstream religion
of Islam why do I think that a narrow
focus on anti-Semitism is mistaken well
there are many people on college
campuses now who support Hamas which
seems as anti-semitic on its face as
supporting the Nazis however I think
that hating Jews is not really what many
of these people are about as I said some
of them are Jewish so what explains
their behavior well they hate the west
or think they do they hate Western power
in the American context they hate
whiteness perhaps above all and they
think that the sin of racism subsumes
everything in the conflict between
Israel and the Palestinians they
consider the Jews White and the
Palestinians black is this utterly
moronic yes it is at least half the Jews
in Israel are Middle Eastern or North
African in descent the only black people
you'll find there are Ethiopian Jews
some of whom are fighting for the IDF so
kids all your concern about white
privilege as you bounce between lacrosse
practice and Starbucks is misapplied
here should you be kicked out of Y for
being this stupid probably but your
stupidity is not quite the same as anti-
semitism yes anti-Semitism cuts across
this landscape in ways that are very
depressing and I'm not seeking to
minimize it for instance As you move
rightward along the political Spectrum
you meet more and more people who
effortlessly recognize the derangement
of the left and the sickening apologies
for Islamic fanaticism that come from
people who imagine that Harvey Weinstein
is the worst person who ever lived
whereas there are whole Societies in the
Muslim world where a person like
Weinstein would be considered unusual
well adjusted in his attitude towards
women the left is still full of the
sorts of people who blamed Salon rushy
for the fatwa that forced him into
hiding for a decade and which finally
got him nearly killed on stage in New
York after 33 years of looking over his
shoulder these are the same people who
blame the Charlie hebbo cartoonists for
having had the gall to get themselves
murdered in Paris these imbeciles on the
left range from current Darlings of
alternative media like Glen greenw
to members of elite institutions whose
very purpose is to defend freedom of
speech like the pen America Foundation
As you move rightward in our politics
you meet more and more people who easily
see the insanity of all this words are
violence but clitorectomies and suicide
bombing is somehow indigenous wisdom and
the voice of the
oppressed but then of course as you move
further rightward you meet more and more
people who hate Jews as scheming
globalists who want Americans to fight
in Foreign Wars perhaps today in defense
of Israel or Ukraine which happens to be
run by a Jew this allegation goes all
the way back to World War I and World
War II both world wars were instigated
by Jews don't you know this is Tucker
Carlson's audience the great replacement
cult when things recently went sideways
over the daily wire these are the
Geniuses who followed the crackpot
Candice Owens into the abyss and finally
got a chance to tell Ben chapiro what
they really think of him and his fellow
Jews but of course if you land on just
the right spot on the right among old
school Evangelical Christians then you
can find people who can generally be
counted upon to worry about the fate of
the Jews and who will defend Israel
which is a relief frankly but their
support comes with a strange twist
because they expect that when the temple
is finally rebuilt in Jerusalem and
Jesus returns let's just say he won't be
in a mood to debate def finer points of
theology with the Jews so evangelicals
are philosemitic only up to a point so I
don't mean to downplay the reality of
anti-Semitism a vastly disproportionate
amount of hate crime in the US is
committed against Jews it's not against
blacks and it's certainly not against
Muslims despite what the islamist front
group the Council on American Islamic
relations would have you believe in fact
a lot of this crime comes from blacks
and Muslims themselves who just happen
to do more than their fair share of
hating Jews Jews are about 2% of the
population and they've always received
around 50% of the hate crime even after
9/11 they received far more hate than
Muslims did in America since October 7th
the number of incidents has soared and
this is in response to the worst
atrocity perpetrated against Jews since
the
Holocaust so if you're Jewish or even if
you're not and you think all of this is
seriously alarming I think you're right
and I'm sure I will do some future pods
and other work on the problem of
anti-Semitism but I also think that Jews
should not try to compete in the
oppression Olympics that have derange so
much of Western culture the direction of
progress is not to convince the rest of
America that we Jews have it worse than
blacks and Muslims or just as bad and I
don't think the UK is going to sort
itself out by becoming more focused on
its Jewish population as a victim group
we simply have to get pass the politics
of identity and we have to defend
Western values we have to defend not
identities but the ideas that make
freedom and tolerance possible we have
to recognize that there are real threats
to freedom and tolerance in this world
and identity politics is one of them
another happens to be coming from the
fastest spreading religion on Earth
which has some two billion adherence are
all Muslims a threat to freedom and
tolerance no
but almost all of them are doing a
terrible job of acknowledging much less
combating the dangerous fanaticism that
is seething at the core of their
religion so I don't think we need a new
Jewish media platform to compete with
the malicious fantasies that pour forth
from Al jazer as harmful as those have
been we need the New York Times and the
BBC to become morally sane again I am
not suggesting the anti-semitism isn't a
problem I'm suggesting that a real
defense of Western values would solve
that problem among many others
nevertheless it is easy to see why some
of our kids are confused about Gaza they
are being inundated with misinformation
about Israel that the Jews are settler
colonialists that they have built an
apartheid state that they are guilty of
genocide these lies did not start on
October 8th they've been promulgated for
decades and it seems that no matter how
patiently one corrects them nothing
changes and the photos coming out of
Gaza certainly don't help as I've said
before there is no political analysis or
moral argument that makes sense of
images of dead children being pulled out
of
rubble it's also natural for people to
look at the history of the conflict
between the Israelis and the
Palestinians and imagine that there's
some moral parity between the two sides
in fact because Israel has become more
powerful most people imagine that the
responsibility for the ongoing conflict
Falls more on the Jews Israel is now
perceived to be a bully with Advanced
weaponry and the Palestinians are merely
victims throwing rocks even in the
aftermath of October 7th when you had an
avowedly genocidal organization like
Hamas butchering non-combatants and
taking women and children hostage and
firing rockets by the thousands
purposely into civilian areas we still
have vast numbers of westerners and a
majority of our own youth apparently
believing that Israel is in the wrong
and that it effectively has no right to
defend itself or to even exist leaving
other variables aside like the
identitarian disgrace of wokeism the
oppressor oppressed framing of
everything that has become standard on
the left as well as the Frank
anti-Semitism that we know is there what
we were seeing on our college campuses
is only possible because people don't
understand the threat that Islam
extremism poses to open societies
everywhere again what's happening on our
college campuses is many things but the
level of moral confusion required to
support Hamas and to demonize the people
who are fighting Hamas requires that one
not recognize what Hamas is and in a way
this is also understandable it is
natural to imagine that people
everywhere are more or less the same and
that they basically want the same things
in life life it's easy to see how one
might think that normal people would
never resort to violence of the sort we
saw from Hamas on October 7th burning
families alive on purpose raping women
and cutting their breasts off and then
killing them and shrieking with joy all
the while right normal people wouldn't
do this couldn't do this unless they've
been subjected to some unendurable
misery and Injustice I mean they must
have been driven
insane by their own trauma let's leave
aside the people who claim that those
things didn't happen on October 7th most
people understand what happened and yet
given the assumption that people
everywhere are more or less the same the
very extremity of the violence we saw on
October 7th seems to put the moral onus
on its victims somehow and this weird
Distortion of moral intuition casts a
shadow over the whole history of the
Israeli Palestinian conflict the fact
that the Palestinians could have
produced an endless supply of suicide
bombers during the second andata and
that they would Target
noncombatants even children with this
barbarism that itself was considered
proof that they' had been pushed well
beyond the brink by the
Israelis otherwise normal human beings
would never behave in so extraordinarily
destructive away it is easy to see how
uninformed people could make this
assumption
this is a very useful point that the
writer Paul Burman made 20 years ago in
his book Terror and liberalism similarly
people assume that groups like Hamas or
Al Qaeda or even the Islamic State
attack Western targets for more or less
normal political reasons they think
these movements are anti-colonial or
straightforwardly nationalistic and so
they think that the extremity of their
violence is once again at bottom the
fault of Western Powers the chickens
have finally come home to roost while
while understandable these assumptions
have been obviously wrong for decades
for longer than I've been alive even to
believe any of this now as almost every
secular person does by default certainly
As you move left of center politically
is to be totally duded by a masochistic
fantasy and it's a dangerous fantasy
because it's being consciously
weaponized against not just Israel but
against every Western Society Islamic
extremists know that most of us
especially in our Elite institutions are
simply drunk on white guilt and
self-doubt they can see that we live in
a Perpetual circular firing squad of
sanctimony they know that if they just
use the word racism even though it has
absolutely no application when we're
talking about the fastest growing
religion in a 100 countries they know
this word settles all arguments left of
center no matter how idiotic the person
is is who wields it they know that we
are constantly worried about being the
bad guys they know that our kids find it
very easy to believe that we are and
have always been the bad guys and they
have been manipulating Western Society
for decades and they've been aided by
Legions of useful idiots on the left and
so there's a pervasive inability and
even unwillingness on the part of
journalists and politicians and Scholars
to recognize the degree to which sincere
religious belief and identity Drive
conflict in the Muslim World between
rival sects and between Muslims and
non-muslims there's a fundamental lack
of understanding about how Islam differs
from other religions here in fact it's
widely considered a symptom of bigotry
to even say that Islam is different from
other religions in any way that matters
there are over 50 Muslim majority
countries none of them are good places
to live if you care about human freedom
this is very unlikely to be an
accident Who Would Imagine That killing
people for blasphemy or apostasy would
have a chilling effect on free thought
who would imagine that the explicit
denial of political equality for women
might have something to do with its
absence throughout the Muslim world even
noticing the connection here between
explicit religious doctrines and the
unambiguous abridgment of Human Rights
is thought to be a symptom of quote
islamophobia so I want to make a couple
of basic observations about Islam that
have the virtue of being important and
uncontroversial or at least they should
be uncontroversial because they're quite
obviously true and if you think I've
said all this before and it bores you
well then just think about how I feel I
wouldn't touch this topic ever again if
I thought other people were doing an
adequate job of it there's a spell that
simply has to be broken here because it
threatens to ruin everything and if you
don't see it as many don't you are just
blind from the point of view of Islam
our world is divided into two Realms the
realm of belief and the realm of
unbelief this is something that Islam
shares with Christianity of course but
the similarities pretty much end there
there is no Render unto Caesar those
things that are Caesars in
Islam rather Islam is meant to totally
subsume a person's life and the
governance of
society it is intrinsically
political therefore the modern
distinction upon which so many of us
have placed our hopes between Islam and
islamism which is the explicit intrusion
of the religion into politics is just
that a modern distinction it is one that
we hope can be made true and effective
and we hope that the latter orientation
that of 20th century aggressively
resurgent political Islam can be
resisted and ultimately extinguished in
modern societies but this secular
distinction has little traditional
justification if any this is where the
differences between Islam and
Christianity become highly relevant and
ominous and take a moment to consider
this as though for the first time
Muhammad wasn't the Muslim Jesus it's
important to notice that the man was not
crucified he was a Statesman and a
warlord he fought in dozens of battles
and was
Victorious and in Islam Muhammad is the
very model of the ideal man me just
imagine how Christianity might be
different if Jesus routinely had his
enemies killed and their wives taken as
sex slaves you think it might just be a
little
different do you think Christianity
might be just a little different if
Jesus had been less like a hippie with a
steady supply of MDMA and more like Tony
Soprano the first Muslims didn't spend
centuries as the early Christians did as
Outsiders being oppressed by their
unbelieving masters they tasted
political power from the very beginning
the first Muslims created an Empire more
or less immediately after the death of
the prophet and then they just crushed
everyone for 500
years unlike Judaism Islam enjoins its
followers to spread their faith the one
true and completely correct Faith to the
ends of the Earth Christianity is also a
relentlessly missionary faith of course
but from its Inception it was a religion
of weakness again Christ was
crucified blessed are the meek for they
will inherit the earth
remember Islam from the first moment was
a religion of power okay the idea of
non-muslims ruling over Muslims or even
having equivalent power alongside them
perpetually has always been anathema
it's an error to be rectified through
spiritual struggle sure but also through
physical
violence the fact that Islam has failed
to achieve dominance in our world and
has proven for nearly a thousand years
to be quite backward and weak is a
perennial source of
humiliation By the Light of the doctrine
it makes absolutely no sense it is a
sacrilege from the point of view of
Islam the status quo is
intolerable and this General attitude of
affronted dignity this yearning for
victory which century after Century has
been Out Of Reach affects everything
that Islam touches it's why the history
of Peace negotiations between is Israel
and the Palestinians has been so
hopeless have the Israelis made mistakes
of course do the Jews have their own
religious Fanatics yes but the peace
process between the Israelis and the
Palestinians has been rendered hopeless
from the start because for a majority of
Palestinians and for vast numbers of
Muslims in the region the mere presence
of a Jewish state in the holy land is
totally
unacceptable it's a Noca a catastrophe
it is a perversion of a sacred history
and it is an abject failure of the
mission of Islam which is to conquer the
world for the glory of God and above all
to never forsake Muslim lands once they
have been conquered which of course
Palestine once was as it is said in the
Quran kill them wherever you find them
and drive them from the places from
which they drove you this is not a
religion of Peace it is a religion of
conquest and
submission there's a lot to criticize in
all religions and I've certainly done my
fair share of that but it is simply a
fact that the doctrine of holy war and a
love of martyrdom and an utter
intolerance for blasphemy and apostasy
are Central to Islam in a way that they
are not Central to other religions of
course not all Muslims want to live this
way and that is wonderful that's why our
world isn't in total chaos
but the problem is that when you look at
the worst examples of jihadist barbarism
and atrocity the behavior of Hamas on
October 7th or the Islamic State on
every day of the year it is very
difficult to say how these people are
getting Islam wrong to be clear I am not
saying that there's only one Islam and
that the extremists have it right I'm
saying that they don't have it obviously
wrong their version of the faith is all
too
plausible what did the worst members of
the Islamic State do that Muhammad
himself didn't do or wouldn't have
approved of that is a very difficult
question to answer and the fact that is
a difficult question to answer is
increasingly a problem for the entire
world if you ask the same question about
Jesus or Buddha it's a very easy
question to answer what is Hamas doing
that Jesus or Buddha didn't do or
wouldn't have approved of
everything I recently stumbled upon an
article in the New York Times from 15
years ago I doubt the times would
publish such an article today it's very
short so I'm going to read you the whole
thing the title is fighter sees his
paradise in gaza's pain this was
published January 8th
2009 the writer is taged El
kodari Gaza City the emergency room in
chifa hospital is often a place of Gore
and despair on Thursday it was a lesson
in the way Ordinary People are squeezed
between suicidal Fighters and a military
Behemoth Dr Ani alju 37 a surgeon at the
hospital rushed in from his home here
dressed in his scrubs but he came not to
work his head was bleeding and his
daughter's jaw was broken he said Hamas
militants next to his apartment building
had fired mortar and Rocket rounds
notice the detail here next to his
apartment building Israel fired back
with force and his apartment was hit his
wife Alina originally from Ukraine and
his one-year-old son were killed my son
has been turned into pieces he cried my
wife was cut in half I had to leave her
body at home because Albin was a
foreigner she could have left Gaza with
her children but Dr jaru lamented she
would not leave him behind a car arrived
with more patience one was a 20-year-old
man with shrapnel in his left leg who
demanded quick treatment he turned out
to be a militant with Islamic Jihad he
was smiling a big smile hurry I must get
back so I can keep fighting he told the
doctors he was told that there were more
serious cases than his that he needed to
wait but he insisted we fighting the
Israelis he said when we fire we run but
they hit back so fast we run into the
houses to get away he continued smiling
why are you so happy this reporter asked
look around you a girl who looked about
18 screamed as a surgeon removed
shrapnel from her leg an elderly man was
soaked in blood a baby a few weeks old
and slightly wounded looked around
helplessly a man lay with parts of his
brain coming out his family wailed at
his side don't you see that these people
are hurting the militant was asked but I
am from the people too he said his smile
incandescent they lost their loved ones
as Martyrs they should be happy I want
to be a martyr
too that's the end of the
article this is the
problem we don't have to get into a time
machine and sort out the history of the
region we don't have to talk about 1948
or
1967 without this specific form of
religious fanaticism the conflict
between Israel and her neighbors would
be an ordinary conflict it would be easy
enough to
negotiate it would be possible for the
Jews and the Muslims to decide to build
wealth
together they could have turned Gaza
into an absolutely gorgeous Resort on
the
Mediterranean if all you care about is
the well-being of the
Palestinians you should want them to be
free of this Luna itic ideology that has
made them impossible to live
with but for some reason most academics
and journalists refuse to recognize what
is being revealed in an article like
this they desperately want to think that
specific religious doctrines like the
idea that Martyrs go straight to
paradise are either not believed by
anyone or if believed have no effect on
a person's
Behavior this is without question the
most mystifying and infuriating form of
ignorance I have ever
encountered of course we all desperately
want to believe that there's a clear
line of distinction between the real
Fanatics in a group like Hamas and the
Palestinian people and this will be true
for many Palestinians I have no doubt
those people are effectively hostages
but it's not true for all Palestinians
and it's probably not even true for most
of them for instance whenever p support
for suicide bombing against civilians
has always been sickeningly high among
Palestinians around 70% and support for
specific terrorist groups like Hamas and
Hezbollah generally ranges between 40
and
60% so we're not talking about just a
few
radicals I mean have you seen the videos
of Israeli hostages being taken into
Gaza on October 7th the images of blood
covered girls being dragged into
vehicles and onto motorcycles have you
seen the men swarming around these
hostages celebrating their capture
shouting Allahu Akbar may put yourself
in the minds of these men may perhaps
you can understand all this jubilance
and Malice being expressed over captured
male soldiers like the Blackhawk Down
incident in Somalia but imagine
celebrating the kidnapping of girls some
of whom have been clearly raped and
seriously injured in one of these videos
a young woman appears to have had her
Achilles tendons cut so that she can't
run away imagine celebrating the capture
of a terrified woman holding her
children can you imagine
this after 9/11 as an American
traumatized by an act of Terror of A
Sort that we have never seen on our
Shores imagine if Seal Team 6 had
captured some random Saudi women and
children and and paraded them as
hostages Through Time Square I me can
you imagine dancing for joy and spitting
in the faces of these terrified women
imagine our soldiers dragging the
mutilated bodies of other Saudi
non-combatants along the sidewalk can
you imagine people coming out of their
offices and shrieking with joy and
stomping on their bodies can you imagine
the Israelis doing this to the bodies of
Palestinian non-combatants in the
streets of Tel
Aviv no you can't can't culture
matters beliefs
matter so whether they belong to the
organization or not the people you see
in those videos are the same as
Hamas once again I need to touch the
handrail here so you all don't fall over
am I saying that all Muslims are
dangerous
Fanatics no are they all aspiring
Martyrs committed to waging Jihad of
course not and that is a very good thing
do all Christians believe in the
physical resurrection of Jesus I'm sure
that many many millions at this point
don't it is after all getting harder and
harder to believe such things but it is
neveress true to say that a belief in
the physical resurrection of Jesus is
absolutely core to
Christianity this is not controversial
it's like saying that Apple builds
smartphones
any debate on that topic is a fake
debate you want to be a Christian who
thinks that the resurrection was just
spiritual or
metaphorical great you've changed the
religion you're making progress we love
you for it any debate about whether
Islam really teaches at its core a
worldview that justifies the barbarism
of Hamas is a fake debate because Islam
does teach this and much depends on the
majority of Muslims worldwide reframing
and ignoring or otherwise relinquishing
some of the core tenants of Islam
because they're absolutely at odds with
our common project of building open
pluralistic
societies acknowledging this and
demanding that Muslims themselves
acknowledge this is not bigotry it is
basic
sanity the opposition between radical
Islam and Western values is an
existential concern for Israel and it
could One Day become an existential
concern for the rest of us am I saying
that things are hopeless No in fact it's
a very hopeful sign that several Middle
Eastern regimes appear to want
normalized relations with Israel at this
point and the fact that the Saudis and
the jordanians helped repel Iran's
recent drone and missile attack was also
very promising However the fact that a
Arab monarchs and dictators can see the
wisdom of changing their policies toward
Israel does not mean that attitudes have
changed on the so-called Arab Street and
what the street will tolerate will limit
what even dictators can do these
attitudes will of course be massively
informed by Islam there's also the fact
that any Arab solidarity with Israel
against Iran might have less to do with
truly shared human values and more to do
with the sectarian Schism between Sunni
and Shia Islam but if these autocrats
want to drag their countries into the
modern world I am certainly rooting for
them however the deeper principle is
that there is a clash of civilizations
between traditional Islam and Western
values and what we're seeing on college
campuses is a very successful
manipulation of Western weakness wherein
we can have our own values of Tolerance
and diversity and self-criticism and
compassion weaponized against us ask
yourself what is it that we want and a
right to want and must defend without
apology in the west rational
conversation individual Freedom the rule
of law the consent of the governed the
peaceful transfer of power a strong
civil society and yes tolerance of
difference where that difference doesn't
put all other good things in Peril what
do these good things give us they give
us open societies where scientific
progress and creative intelligence and
increasing wealth and social mobility
and personal security and public Justice
and a healthy environment and
institutional transparency and a
generous social safety net are more and
more the norm obviously we have
imperfectly secured these Goods even in
the best societies on Earth but it is
just as obvious that some places have
none of them and worse some people some
groups even whole cultures don't want
most of these things it is time to admit
that not everyone wants a good life as
you and I understand it hey kids Hamas
does not want what you want they would
throw your lgbtq friends off rooftops
and I'm sorry to say many Palestinians
want what Hamas wants this is a hard
truth and has made peace in the Middle
East so far
impossible the people of the future
and perhaps our future selves will know
what we can't know now which is how we
handled this moment how or whether we
Rose to the challenge of having our
deepest principles used against us
carefully inverted and used against us
freedom of speech tolerance of diversity
self-doubt right these virtues can be
used against their adherence cynically
and with evil intent that is what
Islamic extremists are doing all over
the world World okay that is what their
organizations are doing inside our own
societies this is not a conspiracy
theory this has all been publicly
visible for decades and they are being
facilitated by useful idiots as is now
especially evident on our college
campuses of course we're also being
played by Russia and China and perhaps
other hostile foreign actors who are
Fanning the Flames of our own
partisanship and hysteria but part of
that hysteria is is that many of us now
perceive any effort to limit the spread
of misinformation and social contagion
to be the first signs of orwellian
repression from our own government okay
we live in a country where people go
berserk whenever they learn that our
government can access information
through a court order that they
themselves routinely give to random apps
and other services just for the sake of
convenience it is utterly childish to
imagine that our as a nation are best
served by total institutional distrust
where we have people like Edward Snowden
and Julian Assange hacking and leaking
State Secrets
continuously most people haven't spent 5
minutes Imagining the gravity of what
must be in every us president's Daily
Briefing we have to grow up and do what
it takes to protect our society from
people and groups and foreign
adversaries that actually want to
destroy it of course it's true that
fighting Terror and confusion can put
the very freedoms we seek to protect in
Jeopardy it's also true that in the
presence of sufficient Terror and
confusion we will Embrace a regime of
surveillance and censorship and even
violence that could seem to justify the
fears of every conspiracy theorist and
make it seem that the real threat to
Liberty is coming from our own side from
our own institutions and from our own
government we we have to perform this
Highwire act successfully but we can't
forget our actual values you take
immigration providing Sanctuary to real
refugees fleeing violence and welcoming
immigrants who are seeking to better
their lives and want to build those
lives in the west this is one of our
core humanitarian values we don't want
to get rid of that Emma lazarus's poem
inspired by the Statue of Liberty which
is now inscribed on a plaque there give
me your tired your poor your huddled
masses yearning to breathe free that's
not just sentimental that's the
best of America it's never quite been
our immigration policy it's always been
aspirational but we want to be a country
that is strong enough and generous
enough to be a light unto the rest of
the world Emma lasarus incidentally was
Jewish the great replacement started
there fellas with the Statue of Liberty
you might want to get on that Tucker
that's your bread and butter right
there the question we have to answer is
how can open societies like ours
maintain their values and even improve
them in a world where we have real
enemies okay you don't have to be a
xenophobe or a Christian nationalist or
a Nazi or any other species of
to recognize that some people are coming
into our societies with no intention of
ever sharing our
values again this is about culture ideas
and their consequences not the color of
people's skin okay if we imported a
sufficient number of Communists into the
United States it would be no surprise if
we one day discovered that we had a
problem with Communists seeking to
demolish the very foundations of our
economy and it would serve us right they
were wearing their antipathy for
capitalism on their sleeves the whole
time they were telling us ad nauseum
what they want to accomplish the
destruction of capitalism how could we
be surprised if a massive influx of
committed Communists eventually posed a
threat to our way of life similarly if
we import a sufficient number of
islamists and jihadists we will
eventually have a problem with political
and militant Islam this is guaranteed
and to my eye much of Western Europe
already has this problem to a degree
that it should find intolerable it is
completely rational and not at all an
expression of bigotry as an American to
not want to follow Western Europe down
that path does this mean that I was in
favor of Trump's idiotic ban on Muslim
immigration no given that we need to win
a war of ideas within the Muslim
Community given that we need to
inoculate Western societies against
Islamic extremism some of the most
valuable immigrants we could have in my
view are truly secular Muslims truly
liberal Muslims and above all exm
Muslims we want people who come from
Muslim majority societies and who
understand exactly why life in those
societies is not as good as it is in the
west not just because we have more money
but because we have better values we
want people from Pakistan and Iran who
are appalled by religious fanaticism put
these people at the front of the line
there is not a shred of xenophobia or
bigotry
much less racism implied by anything I
have said on this podcast but let's not
lie to ourselves that our societies can
absorb an endless number of profoundly
ideological people who only Fain
tolerance of diversity because they are
in a position of weakness and who when
strong will seek to impose their
religious strictures on everyone else
the truth is islamists to say nothing of
jihadists seek to impose their religion
on everyone else even from a position of
weakness and Western Europe has been
groaning under that pressure for
decades as with immigration so it is
with free speech I think the US is in a
much better position than any other
country because we have the First
Amendment but the First Amendment isn't
a perfect guide for private platforms
and Publishers deciding what speech to
disseminate or to amplify
algorithmically or to sponsor we are
simply drowning in lies that are
rendering our soci Society increasingly
ungovernable this problem exists equally
if differently on both sides of our
political
landscape right of Center some of the
most prominent voices in alternative
media regularly launder Russian
propaganda about elections and US
foreign policy and the war in Ukraine
and vaccines left of center there's
almost pure confusion about Israel and
its enemies at our best universities
we're witnessing a zombie apocalypse of
profoundly misinformed kids of course
broadcasting device of Lies is generally
legal because it's protected by the
First Amendment but that doesn't mean
private platforms and Civil Society
organizations shouldn't do something to
contain the
problem as I've said many times before
if liberals remain confused about
Islamic extremism the appetite for
rightwing authoritarianism is going to
continue to grow throughout the West we
need to do everything we can to avoid
this thanks for listening
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