Gold Experience Requiem vs Made in Heaven | Who Would Win?

Summary

The video script explores the hypothetical battle between Jojo's Bizarre Adventure characters: Giorno Giovanna's Gold Experience Requiem and Pucci's Made in Heaven. It delves into their abilities, with Requiem's 'Return to Zero' and 'Infinite Death Loop' facing off against Made in Heaven's time acceleration. The script discusses various win scenarios, from Requiem's dominance to Made in Heaven's narrative purpose of achieving happiness, concluding that while both have strengths, Requiem's power seems insurmountable.

Takeaways

• 🤔 The debate between Gold Experience Requiem and Made in Heaven's power has been ongoing for nearly 20 years.
• 👥 The characters in question are Jodoro, the son of Dio, and Pucci, Dio's best friend.
• 🌀 Made in Heaven is a Time-accelerating Stand that can manipulate the universe's gravity to speed up time, even shortening Jodoro's time stop.
• ⚔️ Gold Experience Requiem has abilities like infinite deaths, Return to Zero, and retains powers from its previous forms like Life Giver and Selfie.
• 📈 Made in Heaven's time acceleration isn't instantaneous but gradually increases until the universe resets.
• 🔮 Pucci's Stand, Made in Heaven, allows him to see the fate of those who live into the new universe he creates.
• 💡 Gold Experience Requiem's Return to Zero is a causality manipulation ability that can undo any action or invert cause and effect.
• 🌌 The infinite death loop is an after-effect of Requiem's victory, trapping the defeated in an endless cycle of death.
• 📚 Stand guides suggest Gold Experience Requiem might be the strongest Stand, with the power to nullify all other abilities.
• 🕰️ There's a narrative implication that Requiem energy allows control over living souls, suggesting a power beyond typical Stand abilities.

Q & A

What is the main debate discussed in the video?

The main debate discussed in the video is whether Gold Experience Requiem or Made in Heaven would win in a fight, a question that has been pondered by fans for nearly 20 years since the ending of Part 6, Stone Ocean.

What are the key reasons why this debate is significant?

The debate is significant because it involves two characters who are on opposite sides of Dio, the son of Dio (Jotaro) and his best friend (Pucci), and the comparison of their powers, Requiem and Heaven, which are considered by many to achieve Dio's heaven in some form.

What is Made in Heaven's primary ability?

Made in Heaven's primary ability is time acceleration. It can manipulate the entire universe's gravity to make time progress faster, eventually leading to the end of the universe and its reset.

How does Made in Heaven's time acceleration affect other Stand abilities?

Made in Heaven's time acceleration is so powerful that it can shorten Jotaro's time stop ability by a few seconds due to the speeding up of time.

What is Gold Experience Requiem's Return to Zero ability?

Return to Zero is a semi-passive ability of Gold Experience Requiem that allows the user to redirect any cause to any effect and undo anything, effectively returning an action or will to zero.

How does Gold Experience Requiem's Return to Zero ability compare to other Stand abilities?

Return to Zero is considered one of the strongest abilities in the series as it can revert any attack or action back to zero, making it superior to many other Stand abilities.

What is the significance of the Requiem energy mentioned in the video?

The Requiem energy is significant because it is said to dominate living souls and is associated with a power that goes beyond typical Stand abilities, suggesting a level of control over life itself.

What are the different win scenarios presented in the video?

The video presents multiple win scenarios, including Gold Experience Requiem being the ultimate Stand, the Requiem power dominating Made in Heaven, Pucci not having the will to fight against Gold Experience Requiem, a time limit on Gold Experience Requiem's power, and the narrative implications of the Requiem power versus Made in Heaven's purpose.

What is the author's personal opinion on the debate?

The author leans towards scenario two and five, where the Requiem power and its narrative purpose give Gold Experience Requiem an advantage over Made in Heaven, but acknowledges that if certain facts about Gold Experience Requiem are disproven, Made in Heaven could potentially win.

How does the video address the translation and interpretation of Stand abilities?

The video acknowledges that the translation from Japanese to English can lead to subjective interpretations of what constitutes the 'ultimate Stand' and that these interpretations can vary based on the Stand stats and guidebook statements.

What is the importance of the narrative purpose of the Stands in determining the outcome of the debate?

The narrative purpose of the Stands is crucial in determining the outcome because it sets the overall theme and goal of their powers. Gold Experience Requiem's narrative is to fight or achieve godlike power, while Made in Heaven aims for universal happiness, which influences how their abilities are perceived in the context of the debate.

Outlines

00:00

🤔 Introduction to the Debate

The script introduces a long-standing debate among fans of the series, stemming from the conclusion of Part 6, Stone Ocean. The central question revolves around a hypothetical battle between two characters, Jotaro Kujo and Giorno Giovanna, both connected to the antagonist Dio. The debate is fueled by their respective Stand abilities: Made in Heaven and Gold Experience Requiem. The narrator sets the stage by mentioning fan art and previous discussions on the topic, hinting at the complexity of the debate that spans nearly two decades.

05:01

🌀 Understanding Made in Heaven

The script delves into the first of the two Stands in question, Made in Heaven. It is described as a Time-accelerating Stand, originally conceived by Dio. Made in Heaven manipulates the gravitational forces of the Earth and the Moon to accelerate time, with Pucci being the only one capable of moving freely within this accelerated timeline. The ability is so potent that it can even shorten Jotaro's time stop. The script also discusses the fate notes, a byproduct of Pucci's victory over the universe, which allow creatures in the new universe to see their predetermined fate.

10:01

💥 Exploring Gold Experience Requiem

The script then shifts focus to Gold Experience Requiem, Giorno's Stand. It is characterized by its ability to inflict infinite deaths and Return to Zero, a causality manipulation that can undo any action or invert cause and effect. The discussion highlights Giorno's ability to prevent certain fates, such as the defeat by King Crimson, due to Return to Zero. The script also mentions the infinite death loop as an aftereffect of Gold Experience Requiem's victory, trapping defeated opponents in an endless cycle of death.

15:02

🔍 Analyzing the Abilities and Win Scenarios

The script discusses the various abilities of both Stands and the potential win scenarios. It touches upon the physical and narrative implications of Requiem energy and how it might interact with Made in Heaven's time acceleration. The narrator considers different interpretations of the abilities and how they might clash, suggesting that the outcome could be influenced by factors beyond the abilities themselves.

20:02

🏆 Conclusion and Personal Opinion

In conclusion, the script presents several win scenarios for both characters, emphasizing the subjective nature of the debate due to the vagueness of the Stand stats and the interpretive flexibility allowed by the guidebooks. The narrator shares a personal leaning towards scenarios that favor Gold Experience Requiem due to its narrative buildup and the power of Return to Zero. The script ends with a call to action for viewers to engage with the content and a humorous note about the chaotic nature of the debate.

Keywords

💡Gold Experience Requiem

Gold Experience Requiem is a Stand from the manga series JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, specifically part 5. It is the evolved form of Giorno Giovanna's Stand, Gold Experience. In the video, it is discussed as one of the central figures in the debate, with abilities like 'Return to Zero' and 'Infinite Death Loop'. The Stand is portrayed as extremely powerful, capable of defeating other Stands by manipulating causality.

💡Made in Heaven

Made in Heaven is the Stand of the antagonist Dio Brando in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, part 6. It is a time-manipulating Stand that can accelerate time. The video discusses how this Stand is considered one of the strongest in the series due to its ability to control time on a universal scale, which is exemplified by its capacity to reset the universe.

💡Return to Zero

Return to Zero is an ability of Gold Experience Requiem that can revert any action or will that targets Giorno back to its initial state, effectively nullifying it. The video explains this as a causality manipulation power, which is considered one of the strongest abilities in the series. It is used as a basis for arguing Gold Experience Requiem's superiority in the debate.

💡Infinite Death Loop

Infinite Death Loop is an ability associated with Gold Experience Requiem, where a defeated opponent is trapped in a cycle of continuous death. The video script mentions this as a less understood ability, often discussed as a passive effect that occurs after Gold Experience Requiem wins a fight.

💡Time Acceleration

Time Acceleration is the primary ability of Made in Heaven, which can speed up time to the point of resetting the universe. The video discusses this ability in the context of a fight between Made in Heaven and Gold Experience Requiem, pondering how these two powerful abilities would interact.

💡Stand

In JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, a Stand is a supernatural manifestation of a person's fighting spirit and physical abilities. The video revolves around comparing two specific Stands, Made in Heaven and Gold Experience Requiem, and their respective powers.

💡Dio

Dio Brando is a major antagonist in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, and the creator of Made in Heaven. The video discusses Dio's Stand and his plan to achieve 'Heaven', which is a central theme in part 6 of the series. Dio's influence and his Stand are key points in the debate about the power dynamics between the two Stands.

💡Giorno Giovanna

Giorno Giovanna is the protagonist of part 5 of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure and the user of Gold Experience Requiem. The video script uses Giorno as a point of reference for discussing the capabilities and narrative significance of his Stand in comparison to Made in Heaven.

💡Fate

The concept of fate is mentioned in the context of the video as something that can be manipulated or overcome by the Stands' abilities. Gold Experience Requiem's 'Return to Zero' ability is highlighted as a means to defy fate, as it can undo预定的 outcomes, which is a central point in the debate.

💡Debate

The video is structured around a long-standing debate within the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure fandom about which Stand is superior. The debate centers on the abilities of Gold Experience Requiem and Made in Heaven, with the video presenting various scenarios and interpretations to discuss the topic.

💡Narrative

The narrative of the series is used to argue the implications of the Stands' abilities and their evolution. The video suggests that the narrative builds Gold Experience Requiem as a Stand designed to surpass other Stands, while Made in Heaven is built to reset the universe and achieve happiness.

Highlights

Discussion of a 20-year-old debate comparing the characters Jotaro Kujo and Pucci after part 6 of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

Comparison of Dio's son, Jotaro, and Dio's best friend, Pucci, in terms of their Stand abilities.

Introduction of the Stands Made in Heaven and Gold Experience Requiem.

Made in Heaven described as a Time-accelerating Stand with gravitational manipulation abilities.

Gold Experience Requiem's ability to cause infinite deaths and Return to Zero explained.

Pucci's strategic intelligence and experience as a villain highlighted.

Gold Experience Requiem's potential to surpass other Stand abilities discussed.

Guidebook statements suggesting Gold Experience Requiem's power to nullify all other Stands.

The concept of Requiem energy's dominance over living souls introduced.

Analysis of how time acceleration and Return to Zero might interact.

Scenario outlining Gold Experience Requiem as the ultimate Stand and its implications.

Argument that Requiem's power is so strong it could dominate Made in Heaven.

Discussion on the physical stats of Gold Experience Requiem versus Made in Heaven.

The possibility of Gold Experience Requiem having a time limit on its power.

Narrative implications of the Requiem Stands and their goals in the story.

Conclusion that aligns Requiem's power with its narrative role as beyond Stand abilities.

Final opinion siding with the argument that Gold Experience Requiem would win the fight.

Transcripts

it's not for a classic match-up hello

everybody my name is metis and I think

it's friendly time I do this video for

nearly 20 plus years a question has been

pondered ever since the ending of part 6

Stone ocean who had went in a fight gold

experience Requiem or made in heaven why

this question comes up a lot is is for a

number of reasons but I think the

biggest is well these two characters are

for one the son of Dio versus the best

friend of Dio and two the idea of a

Requiem versus a heaven stand which one

is just stronger which idea is just

better as many would consider both of

these characters achieving Dio's heaven

in some manner or form on top of that

there is a lot of fan art of this fight

happening because people like to put

jorno at the ending of part six for a

lot of reasons because it's just cool in

general but you know what if Jordan

actually did show up at the ending of

part 6 and fought Pucci with gold

experience Requiem what would have

happened this argument is almost 20

years old this month as the date I'm

recording this is April 3rd so I the

time this video is probably near a month

old this conversation has been going on

for 20 years this argument is older than

me crazy also if you want more made in

heaven and gold experience content I've

already made some here on the channel

beforehand and I will be actually

referencing both of those videos in this

video a lot so just FYI if you want

context enough of the Preamble let's

start this so the first thing here I

will be talking about is their abilities

each as we need context for their

abilities and powers for later in the

video starting off with the easiest one

here would be made in heaven made in

heaven is a Time accelerating stand

originally thought out by Dio himself

and his Heaven plan described in the

part 6 stand stats quote it is

impossible to explain this phenomenon in

great detail but made in Heaven's

standability utilizes the gravitational

power of the Earth and the moon

basically the whole universe to increase

the speed of time no living organism is

able to keep up the only one who can

move freely within it is poochie and

essentially God himself end quote shown

in the ending of part 6 Pucci is able to

manipulate the entire entire universe's

gravity to make time go forward it is

shown throughout the entire ending of

that fight that he's able to make time

move progressively faster and faster

till the end of the universe until it

resets itself this time manipulation is

so good that even jodoro's time stop is

actually shortened by a few seconds

because of the speeding up of time also

the speeding up of time at least would

have shown from part 6 is not

instantaneous it takes some time before

the universe will end how long that time

is that's up for interpretation but it

is a gradual effect but poochie and made

in heaven can freely choose where this

acceleration stops and starts as it said

at the very ending of Part 6 with his

fight with Emporio on top of that any

creature that lives into the new

universe that Pucci has made thanks to

the acceleration of time because the old

one had ended and the new one I started

again has the ability to see their fate

notes on that only see they can't like

change their fate it's like

predetermined and they can't you know

beat it or whatever they just can see it

now but how fast is he you know that's

kind of the answer I'm trying to get to

here so I'll explain that to you pretty

fast he's either depending on the stand

stats either infinite speed on a mid

bolt or depending on how you look at his

ability and what is shown in the part 6

manga he could fit under the

classification of any measurable speed

type character as he's able to time

travel and you know reset the universe

because of his speed and his

manipulation of gravity of the universe

because time travel is immeasurable we

don't know how it works Iraqi doesn't

even go in depth on how the ability

actually truly functions in the stand

stats so literally the author himself to

at least a finite degree thinks he's

miserable unknowingly I might add here's

what I would put the stats of the

character like his AP and stuff but uh

that's for later in the video as there's

an argument connected to it so we'll

save it for later but what I will talk

about now here is Pucci himself because

Pucci is no pushover having almost the

same exact stand experience jodaro has

roughly being about 23 years probably

actually a bit longer my man has a very

large body count shown in part six

because how many stand discs he has and

has been shown multiple times to

outsmart Jolene and friend group

casually his most known one is making

jodo decide the universe or his daughter

in a very big IQ play realizing that he

knows the Joe star's weaknesses he is

the type of villain to take every

Advantage possible to defeat his

opponents always being placed in a

better position than the other side the

biggest example of this is Pucci in the

made in heaven fight trying to get

closer and closer to jodo to finish him

off eventually using Jolene his weakness

to defeat him poochie is not a pushover

enter gold experience Requiem and jono

Giovanna a quote from its stand stats a

stand power that manifested when a stand

was pierced with the arrow those who are

struck by this power will even have

their deaths reported 2-0 and thus

continuously die an infinite number of

times gold experienced requiem's

abilities are very few but extremely

interesting infinite deaths and Return

To Zero Return To Zero is a semi-passive

ability to well return an action to 0 it

is a form of causality manipulation

where the user can redirect any cause to

any effect and undo anything or invert

the relation cause slash effect in

specific with gr it procs because

somebody is trying to attack Giorno or

ger like a physical action to harm him

and gr will cause the ability to

activate returning that attack slash

action back to zero and to clarify with

the stanstat statement about its ability

will usually refers to in JoJo's like

your fighting Spirit slasher stand

ability but your will could also refer

to your literal human will return to

zero is so powerful King Crimson a stand

that can pre-cog fate was destined to

beat Giorno in this fight but thanks to

Return To Zero that fate slash truth

never happened allowing gr to prevent

that fate that was going to happen to

him and jono and beat King Crimson and

diavolo some people like to say thanks

to this feat gr is above fate I would

say kind of to that it depends on the

scenario but yes only being applicable

to like a stand fight when he's being

harmed would I say that is true Return

To Zero has to be one of the strongest

abilities in Jojo and definitely within

the original Universe like I said

reverting your attack slash action slash

Wills to zero making you useless

allowing gr to body you into the ground

like he did diavolo so up next is the

infinite death Loop how does it work

does it actually play any use here well

not really because it's more like of an

after effect of ger winning but more or

less you just get put into an infinite

death Loop that's never actually been

explained very thoroughly at all and we

don't know how it starts or why it

starts and why it just keeps on going

forever more or less it's just one giant

trap card to keep you in a loop forever

to die and some people might say well no

it's an actual passive ability like

Return To Zero it's not there's not a

lot of evidence to say that it actually

does that without going into headcanon

territory and like no guidebook

statements which I will get into soon

here back that up they only ever really

just say it has the ability to put you

in an infinite death Loop that's all

it's really vague there's nothing that

really backs up with this ability more

or less how you can see it at least in

this video it's just basically the

wincon effect after gr wins you just

like get put into a infinite death Loop

and ggs but that's not all gr also shows

the abilities of his previous form gold

experience I'll just shortly list them

off but they do have their powers and

their uses number one being life Giver

jono has the ability to bestow life into

any object making it into a small

creature number two damage reflection

since goal experience Requiem has life

giver and must also have damage

reflection damage reflection is what

happens when somebody hits a small

creature that Giorno has made and the

Damage they put onto an animal gets

automatically reflected on back to them

the next one would be life shot lifeshot

basically makes a person think really

really fast with actually not moving at

all as they have too much energy that

their body can't keep up with them

number four is life exhaustion Journal

can hit an object that being allowed AI

form and make them go through their

entire life cycle in a few moments

basically a One-Shot ability for life

forms number five selfie self-healing is

pretty self-explanatory uh Journal

basically makes his own body parts out

of the nearby objects around him and he

still feels it's a pretty busted ability

and I would say arguably is his best as

he's able to recover from any injury and

that's mainly it for GR and its powers

and abilities really really strong I I

will say that off the bat very very

powerful very giant Kit for him to

experiment with but for the more keen

eyed viewer goal experience Requiem uh

doesn't have a lot he has like one

really good statement that basically

says he beats all other stand abilities

and that's really it and his like

abilities that were shown at the very

end of part five where a lot of his

statements come from are guidebooks and

I will be going into that now the guide

statements I will be speaking about come

from JoJo 6251 JoJo Agogo and jojoveller

quote the stand evolved when a arrow

Pierce gold experiences body it had has

the ultimate ability to change the

opponent's movement and will to zero

though struck by the Requiem are

returned to zero even to death so the

repeat death infinitely without ever

reaching their true death end quote

quote more destructive power after being

pierced by the arrow gold experience

abilities evolved greatly increasing its

power and speed that attack also wounded

King Crimson furthermore it has an

attack power that surpasses that of

existing stands so it could be said to

be a perfect stand end quote quote the

ability of requiem selected by arrow is

impossible to compare with existing

stand measuring rods even journal the

main body doesn't even know about the

power that makes all willpower go away

the ultimate stand that returns

everything to nothing after destroying

polar nurse Requiem jono who had the

arrow in his hand brought his own gold

experience and appeared the power of the

arrow is entirely under Jordano's

control the ability to return all

actions and wills of the attacking

opponent to nothing those who have been

beaten by Requiem will return to nothing

even if they die they will continue to

die many times as a result diavalo who

believed in his precognition attacked

would continue to experience death

forever end quote so yeah with these

statements it really just does back up

that goal experience Requiem might be

the strongest stand in the series with

statements like the perfect stand and

the ultimate stand really being kind of

the things that place it on the top and

really gassing up Return To Zero as

apparently it can just shut down you

completely and speaking about Journal

while he's only been a stand user of

this caliber for only a week by the way

he is a prodigy with gold experience as

he figures out a bulk of his Arsenal in

that week his biggest Flex is his

self-heal and when it comes to his

intelligence he's literally done

real-time trigonometry to beat chokolada

during his fight leading to the seven

page muta the kid is a prodigy but he

doesn't have the years of experience

like Pucci does and one last thing I

want to talk about because I know some

people will bring it up because I did

bring it up in my last goal experience

Requiem video Requiem energy slash the

ability to dominate living Souls what

the hell does that mean it is a

bipolarif multiple times and to stand

stats for Chariot Requiem that Requiem

is an energy that dominates living Souls

another quote from Polaris would be he

who fully controls the arrow will

control the world if that Arrow pierces

a stand I don't know how old that arrow

is but I'm beginning to understand what

the maker of that Arrow was thinking

there's something Beyond Stan Powers

something that is beyond that already

exists end quote quote if this Arrow

were to be used by someone with the

power that person would be able to

dominate The Souls of all life that was

my Discovery end quote there is

narrative implications that having a

Requiem or controlling Requiem energy

means that well you basically run

everything you're that guy basically I

only bring this up for later win con

scenarios but it's just something I'd

like to point out for right now and one

more thing for the people that are

wondering how would time acceleration

and return to zero affect each other or

who would win when these abilities Clash

well I think it really depends on your

interpretation how the ability work if

you think Return To Zero is some time

space manipulation type ability there

might be a chance that time acceleration

manipulates that ability slightly just

how it slightly manipulated time stop

but if you don't think it's a Time

manipulation ability and it just can

return something to zero because it just

can for whatever reason then it wouldn't

affect it but I think this might be one

of those cases where we need a rocky to

answer it so this is just up to your

interpretation of how those abilities

would Clash and I think we have to look

at other outside factors other than

those two abilities to determine a

winner so the win scenarios yes there

are multiple win scenarios for both

characters as this argument is very long

it has lasted a very long time and

thanks to some characters not being

extremely concrete and having a lot of

statements and guides there's a lot to

interpret and a lot to discuss here so

scenario one the ultimate stand so this

is one I think a lot of people are going

to say the majority of the time when it

comes to this debate gr is the ultimate

Stan and therefore meaning all other

stands are useless when fighting him

multiple stance that guides say either

he's the ultimate stand or the perfect

stand and basically using either of

those statements means that he just wins

there you go Return To Zero just beats

him life shot just destroys him gr just

has too much he just can't be beat he

outscales everybody that's why I held

off talking about stats for so long

because gold experience Requiem can

either match them or just surpass them

depending on the standstat guide you use

meaning that gold experience Requiem can

just match made in Heaven's powers and

abilities at the same level if not above

and withstands that statements saying

that he's the ultimate Stan they of

course would be above him that being

made in heaven technically even above

that more so as gr would scale above

characters like tus Act 4 and d4c love

train which are mentioned in the JoJo

Veller which is the latest stanstat

guide that says he's the ultimate stand

FYI so that is the most casual response

to this debate would be scenario 1. gr

the old ultimate stand easy difficulty

to no difficulty for gold experience

Requiem here scenario 2 the Requiem

power so this one isn't too much

different from the first scenario but

you'll Place one thing with another

thing replace the ultimate stand title

with the Requiem power you see the

ultimate sand title is pretty subjective

and pretty inconsistent as stands like

Star Platinum even after part 5 always

state that they have the strongest

ability or they're still the ultimate

stand or are one of the ultimate stance

in this series and a few guidebooks with

gold experience Requiem so that whole

ultimate stand title is really weird and

kind of fishy and really doesn't prove

that's its physical capabilities it

could just be in terms of its actual

like abilities and hacks that make it

the ultimate stand plus it's never

stated it's the ultimate stand in series

only that it has an ability that beats

all other abilities so with that in mind

you just add polymers Requiem take in

the mix of all of that remember the

Requiem ability slash Requiem energy is

supposed to help a stand go beyond stand

power says polnerif so with that

statement and its statement from its

literal self that being gr saying that

it has an ability that beats all other

abilities it would win against gr

because of that because of the Requiem

power-up and because of the Requiem

energy it has the power to dominate

living Souls guess what Pucci is a

living soul in this scenario made in

heaven might have the stat Advantage now

but thanks to the Requiem energy

statement here I'd say Girard win with a

pretty high to Mid difficulty wincon

here thanks to return to zero and the

Requiem power scenario three jira just

doesn't have that dog in them so this

one is presented by my homie jobber that

I'll be reading off I did have this take

but he just wanted to go a little bit

more in depth here as this is his take

on this whole scenario slash debate

quote gr stats don't refer to its

physical stats but its ultimate ability

returned to zero stats the ability of

requiem selected by an arrow is

impossible to compare with existing Sans

measuring rods even journal the main

body doesn't know about the power that

makes all willpower go away the ultimate

stand that returns everything to nothing

the ability to return all action and

wills of the attacking opponent to

nothing in terms of physical stats

something that people can get confused

is the statement of gr's attack Powers

passing that of all existing stands but

in reality it's just a reference to

return to Zero's ability even in the

same translation at the very end it says

so it can be said to be a perfect stand

in reference to gr being an ultimate

stand ultimate stance have ultimate

abilities furthermore what actually

refers to gr's physical stats along with

every other stand in JoJo's is

destructive power though in normal stand

stats they call it power but in guides

and in the series consistently refer to

a stance physical power as destructive

power as in JoJo's translation

completely supports this idea as well as

the panel shows in this explanation that

gr is hurting King Crimson with physical

attacks slash projectiles so all this

proves is that gr physically would just

scaled relative or a little bit above

diovalo considering that d'ivo could

still react to granted it was precog

diavolo acknowledges that gr did get

stronger and faster but was still

confident enough that he could at least

be fast enough to skip time and pre-cog

him which he does and is still capable

of harming jorno if it was not for ger's

interference basically meaning that gr

just only scales to King Crimson and

nobody else jobber and I think also in

this scenario that Return To Zero is a

time space ability meaning that made in

heaven could affect that power in this

scenario gr has every disadvantage

possible against made in heaven it

doesn't have the stats it doesn't have

the ability Advantage it doesn't have

the whole Requiem argument here and it

doesn't have the ultimate stand title

backing it up either on top of that we

also could say that it's Return To Zero

ability is not passive as there's

possibly a bits of evidence that saying

that gr needs to physically hit you

before any of that [ __ ] can even proc

thanks to the ending fight in part 5.

this scenario is like five or six

scenarios all wrapped into one but it's

just just one giant worst case scenario

you can really pick and choose your

arguments within the scenario to

actually prove that made in heaven wins

in this fight what you can really get

from the scenario is this gr only

appeared in part 5 and scales above all

stands pre-part 5 and during so

everything post is up to interpretation

and really depends on the scaling slash

ideas that you get from the Stan stack

guides that really give you subjective

interpretive ideas on what the ultimate

stand is which in reality could mean

something completely different from what

you're thinking because it is translated

from Japanese to English so there could

be things that are Lost in Translation

so scenario 4 is a pretty fun one and is

a reference back to my old most

terrifying stands video of gold

experience Requiem gr has a time limit

so this idea usually comes off the fact

that Jordan was holding the requiemero

Slash the arrow at the end of part 5

implying that there is some type of

Disconnect from gold experience and the

arrow now leading to the idea that gold

experience raccoon just doesn't exist

anymore implying there is some type of

time limit with a Requiem power slash if

you take the arrow away from the stand

it will just revert back to its previous

form meaning that made in heaven just

could reset the universe as technically

that's not trying to affect journal in

any hostile way as it's pretty

independent of attacking somebody he can

just do that passively without hurting

him and it wouldn't affect him meaning

that the clock would run out on this

so-called time limit on gr reverting him

back to Gold experience leading to a

victory from made in heaven because made

in heaven will just blitch in one shot

so How likely is the scenario to

actually happen probably Jackal the

literal biggest debunk on this one is

the fact that Chariot Requiem still

existed after the arrow was taken away

from him during his literal fight with

jono and crew so there probably isn't a

time limit whatsoever but if whatever

reason you can somehow prove it even

though multiple characters state that

goal experience Requiem now is like an

evolution of Google Experience thank you

Trish and a rocky yeah sure made in

heaven can actually just destroy Journal

right here in this case but but I highly

highly highly doubt it and number five

The Narrative scenario so this one's

really simple to explain and isn't very

complex uh the Requiem power up slash

the whole concept of the arrows is

eventually to achieve an ability Like An

Almighty God it is stated by polymeriff

Midway through part five made in

Heaven's idea is literally to achieve

happiness poochie states that its power

is not to destroy the entire Joe star

bloodline or kill off the Jolene crew

its literal power is just to make

everybody happy through Dio's and

poochie's messed up mindset but that's

its entire purpose the narratives of

these power-ups are one to fight God or

achieve a power of An Almighty God and

one of achieving happiness kinda nearing

God that's it that is literally it to be

honest you can also attack this scenario

on scenario 2 and make a better argument

for the both of them so what scenario do

I agree with is probably what a lot of

you guys are wondering well I probably

have to agree with scenario two and five

but together so I did kind spoil you

guys a little bit why I say this is

requiems in part five are narratively

built up to be just built different

compared to other stands a power of

Beyond Stan Powers G ER inverse is built

up to be this I don't know messiah-like

character in terms of Jojo Powers while

made in heaven on the other hand just

built up to be I'm just gonna reset the

clock bro you good and a funny way of

putting it even poochie States it it's

not to dispose of anybody it's literally

built to make people happy on the flip

side of that gr is made to fight God or

be like God I think just in verse it

explains it well enough and with those

Stan stack guide statements they really

do put on the pressure that once you

fight a Requiem or fight that Return To

Zero ability you basically lose and are

going to put into that infinite death

scenario where you can't get out of it

but I will say this with scenario 3 if

you basically disprove a lot of the

hard-hitting facts with gr and can prove

that made in heaven actually has a

significant advantage over him yeah

Maiden having to win and I can

definitely concede to that but I just

don't see it well that's been my opinion

on an argument that's lasted for about

20 years

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