Oliver Stone on RFK Jr., Nordstream, Sy Hersh, Nuclear Power and Climate Change
Summary
TLDRIn this interview, Oliver Stone reflects on the significance of JFK's 1963 peace speech at American University, emphasizing the need for mutual respect and cooperation among nations. Stone discusses the current geopolitical landscape, advocating for a reevaluation of American foreign policy and the importance of understanding other nations' perspectives. He also touches on his documentary 'Nuclear Now', highlighting the necessity of nuclear energy for a sustainable future and criticizes the media's role in shaping public opinion on critical issues like the Ukraine conflict.
Takeaways
- 😀 The interview begins with an expression of gratitude to the interviewee for participating and acknowledges the significance of discussing alternative perspectives for younger generations.
- 📜 The conversation centers around JFK's peace speech at American University, highlighting its importance and the need for younger generations to understand its message of reconciliation and mutual respect.
- 🎬 The interviewee, Oliver Stone, discusses his film 'Nuclear Now', advocating for nuclear energy as a solution to pollution and the energy crisis, emphasizing its safety and efficiency compared to fossil fuels.
- 🔍 Stone criticizes the lack of nuclear energy discussion in global forums, suggesting that renewables alone cannot meet the energy demands and that nuclear energy is a necessary component of the future energy mix.
- 🌍 He touches on the historical context of JFK's peace speech, including the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Cold War, and how it was an attempt to redefine relations with the Soviet Union and move away from a Cold War mentality.
- 📽️ Stone reflects on his experiences in Vietnam and his father's service in World War II, emphasizing the disconnect between those who experience war firsthand and those who make decisions to go to war without such experience.
- 🇺🇦 The discussion includes commentary on the current conflict in Ukraine, with Stone suggesting that the situation is complex and that historical context is crucial for understanding the dynamics between Russia and Ukraine.
- 🗣️ Stone calls for a reevaluation of American values and foreign policy, advocating for a more empathetic and cooperative approach to international relations, as exemplified by JFK's peace speech.
- 📖 He mentions his book 'Chasing the Light', sharing insights into his journey as a filmmaker and the importance of perseverance and resilience in the face of adversity.
- 💡 The interview concludes with Stone's endorsement of JFK's peace speech, encouraging viewers to watch it and reflecting on the speech's relevance to current global challenges.
Q & A
What is the significance of Kennedy's speech at American University in 1963 according to the interview?
-The interviewee characterizes Kennedy's speech as extremely important and layered, emphasizing reconciliation with the Soviet Union, acknowledging the Soviet Union's contribution in World War II, and promoting mutual respect and understanding between nations.
How does the interviewee relate Kennedy's peace speech to current global affairs?
-The interviewee suggests that Kennedy's vision of peace and cooperation is still relevant today, criticizing the current hostile stance of the United States towards countries like China and Russia, and advocating for a re-examination of American values and respect for the national interests of other sovereign nations.
What is the interviewee's view on the role of nuclear energy in the future?
-The interviewee strongly supports nuclear energy as a solution to pollution and CO2 issues, arguing that it is a clean and efficient source of energy that has been unfairly sensationalized and misunderstood.
Why does the interviewee believe that the United States should not be involved in the Ukraine conflict?
-The interviewee argues that the Ukraine conflict is far from American interests, and that the history between Ukraine and Russia is complex. He suggests that the U.S. should be focusing on partnering with countries like Russia on issues such as nuclear energy and combating pollution, rather than engaging in conflicts that could lead to a larger war.
What does the interviewee think about the current state of American politics and media?
-The interviewee expresses concern over the partisanship and gridlock in American politics, and criticizes the media for what he perceives as a lack of truthful reporting, particularly regarding international affairs and the Ukraine conflict.
How does the interviewee describe his experience making 'Platoon' and what it aimed to portray?
-The interviewee shares that 'Platoon' was intended to show the harsh and terrifying reality of war, contrasting with the public's perception at the time. He believes that his and his father's combat experiences provide a unique perspective that is often missing in discussions about war.
What is the interviewee's opinion on the current situation with Germany and its energy policies?
-The interviewee criticizes Germany's decision to align with the U.S. on energy policies, particularly the abandonment of the Nord Stream pipeline and the reliance on more expensive alternatives like liquid natural gas from the U.S., which he sees as detrimental to Germany's economy and energy independence.
What does the interviewee suggest about the Kennedy assassination and the involvement of U.S. intelligence agencies?
-The interviewee implies a deep suspicion of the official narrative of the Kennedy assassination, suggesting that figures within the CIA and potentially other U.S. intelligence agencies may have been involved, and that the truth has been covered up.
How does the interviewee view the role of Seymour Hersh in journalism?
-While the interviewee respects Hersh's work in some areas, he expresses skepticism about Hersh's reporting on the Kennedy family, suggesting that Hersh's sources may be biased and that his portrayal of the Kennedys has been influenced by those with an agenda against them.
What advice does the interviewee give to young people trying to make a difference in the world?
-The interviewee encourages young people to be persistent, to understand that rejection and failure are part of the process, and to continue striving for their goals despite the challenges. He shares his own experiences of struggling to find success and emphasizes the importance of resilience and perseverance.
Outlines
🌟 Introduction and Reflection on JFK's Peace Speech
The paragraph begins with an expression of gratitude for the interviewee's participation. It delves into the significance of JFK's peace speech at American University, highlighting its message of reconciliation with the Soviet Union post-Cuban Missile Crisis. The interviewee emphasizes the speech's call for mutual respect and understanding, contrasting it with the contemporary approach to international relations. The discussion also touches on JFK's acknowledgment of Soviet sacrifices during WWII and the speech's influence on future generations, including the interviewee's own work and perspectives on peace.
📽️ Filmmaking and the Pursuit of Truth in Nuclear Energy
This segment discusses the interviewee's venture into filmmaking to convey the importance of nuclear energy as a clean and efficient power source. The conversation critiques the sensationalism surrounding nuclear energy and compares it with the often overlooked dangers of fossil fuels. The interviewee's film, 'Nuclear Now', is mentioned as a medium to educate the public about the benefits and safety of nuclear power, challenging the prevalent narratives that overshadow its potential in combating climate change and pollution.
🔥 The Complexity of War and the Ukraine Conflict
The paragraph explores the interviewee's personal experiences with war, drawing from his service in Vietnam and his father's experiences in World War II. It contrasts these firsthand accounts with the often misinformed public discourse on war and conflict, particularly the Ukraine crisis. The interviewee criticizes the lack of understanding and the ideological motivations behind current geopolitical tensions, advocating for a more nuanced and empathetic approach to international relations.
🌿 Environmental Concerns and the Future of Energy
In this part, the discussion shifts towards environmental issues, with a focus on pollution and climate change. The interviewee expresses his concerns about the melting Arctic ice and the escalating global tensions that could result from environmental degradation. He also touches on his views about the importance of clean energy and the role of nuclear energy in mitigating the effects of climate change, emphasizing the need for a global shift towards sustainable energy solutions.
🚀 Historical Perspectives on Nuclear Power and International Relations
The paragraph reflects on the historical context of nuclear energy, highlighting the support it once had from prominent figures like JFK and Eisenhower. It contrasts the current political climate, where nuclear energy is often overshadowed by vocal minorities and misinformation. The interviewee laments the lack of progress in adopting nuclear energy, especially in the United States, and suggests that a more open-minded approach to nuclear power could lead to significant environmental and economic benefits.
🌐 Geopolitical Tensions and the Quest for Peace
This segment delves into the geopolitical landscape, focusing on the tensions between the United States and Russia. The interviewee discusses the historical context of these tensions and the role of the media in shaping public perception. He criticizes the lack of empathy and understanding in foreign policy, particularly towards Russia, and argues for a more balanced and cooperative approach to international relations, echoing the sentiments expressed in JFK's peace speech.
🗣️ The Power of Truth and Speaking Out
The final paragraph emphasizes the importance of speaking the truth, especially in the face of misinformation and propaganda. The interviewee discusses his experiences confronting mainstream media and the challenges of advocating for unpopular truths. He expresses his admiration for other journalists and public figures who dare to speak out, regardless of the consequences, and encourages the younger generation to continue seeking and sharing the truth in their own endeavors.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Alternative Vision
💡Kennedy Speech
💡Cuban Missile Crisis
💡Sovereignty
💡Nuclear Energy
💡Fusion Energy
💡CO2 and Pollution
💡Ukraine Crisis
💡Espionage
💡Regime Change
💡Underdog
Highlights
Interviewee expresses gratitude for the opportunity to discuss important topics.
Discussion on engaging young adults to consider alternatives to the status quo.
Emphasis on the significance of JFK's American University speech and its 60th anniversary.
Analysis of JFK's peace speech, highlighting reconciliation with the Soviet Union.
Mention of JFK's civil rights speech and its influence on Martin Luther King's 'I Have a Dream'.
Reflection on the Cuban Missile Crisis and its impact on the Cold War.
Acknowledgment of Soviet Union's contribution and sacrifices during World War II.
Critique of the military-industrial complex and its influence on politics.
Discussion on JFK's vision for peace and mutual respect between nations.
Insight into JFK's assassination and its impact on his peace initiatives.
Commentary on the Vietnam War and its effect on American society and morale.
Interviewee's personal experience as a soldier in Vietnam and its influence on his views.
Call to action for the younger generation to be inspired by JFK's vision for the future.
Interviewee's perspective on the importance of nuclear energy and the need for a sustainable future.
Critique of the media's portrayal of nuclear energy and the push for renewable energy sources.
Discussion on the potential of fusion energy as a future solution for clean energy.
Reflection on the current state of American politics and society compared to the past.
Interviewee's thoughts on the Kennedy family's stance on JFK's assassination.
Opinion on the potential contents of the classified JFK assassination files.
Final thoughts on the importance of speaking the truth and the influence of the media.
Transcripts
first I want to thank you again for
giving us the time and day for you to be
interviewed by us it's an honor and we
appreciate it I think to just kind of
start us off I think what kind of and I
are trying to succeed in our mission is
we're trying to get people our age 18 to
30. to try and think about what it means
to actually have an alternative because
it's one thing I think to be rebellious
against the oppressive system that we're
all in but what do you replace it with
and one of the things that we've really
been promoting is this Kennedy speech
that he gave at American University
and uh I yeah I believe you're familiar
with it is that correct sure yeah and
these speeches of the century
and so it's the 60th anniversary of that
speech uh I think in three days or so
and
what is it exactly your what is your
characterization of that speech it's
importance and how do I get people my
age to actually go to that as their
vision for the future
uh
the speech uh kind of went under the
radar at the time as I remember it
wasn't particularly noted until
afterward uh Kennedy had a very busy the
last six eight months of his life this
was extremely many things were happening
it's interesting that he gave that
speech very almost a couple of days
apart from when he gave his civil rights
speech about uh
about uh the situation in Alabama
he gave a beautiful speech you should
familiarize yourself with that speech
too because it was one of the
really first eloquent statements about
civil rights and it pressured it
prefaced a lot of what Martin Luther
King was going to say and his I Have a
Dream speech in fact
well I'm sorry I did come after his well
no the I Have a Dream speech came in
August correct August 63. no no it was
right before it was actually a few
months before you should you should read
that speech because it's called
grandiloquence to it and he quotes
Lincoln and it's a beautiful speech but
uh his peace speech is extremely uh to
me layered it's a layered speech he
mentions many themes among them
reconciliation with the Soviet Union and
that was so important and it was as you
know it
came after his near confrontation with
the end of the world in 1962 the Cuban
Missile Crisis this speech
said that we're on the path to get it
together with the the Cold War was a
myth he was he he knew this but I mean
it's very hard to move a country away
from a cold war situation when you're
spending billions of dollars on on the
defense as Eisenhower himself said it's
just it's funny that Eisenhower spent
the most amount of money at the same
time left behind a situation
which he said was tragic and he he said
this is a all the the functions of state
are going to be poisoned and
contaminated by this uh relationship
with business and uh the uh defense
industry and he meant it and he was
right God damn it so and Kennedy carried
that on and he saw the same problem
although he didn't agree with Eisenhower
on many things and I think one of the
most beautiful things in the speech was
he recognizes the contribution of the
Soviet Union in World War II how many
people were killed in the Soviet Union
fighting the Nazis fascism he at the
time he said something like uh
26 million or something but the truth is
now we know the numbers are going up and
the latest actual research numbers are
some closer to 39 million and something
like 20 some million Were Soldiers so
it's quite quite a huge sacrifice they
made and that is what has
uh played a huge role in the Russian
attitude towards
the west and people I guess in the west
don't really I recognize that they don't
realize the four or five every German
four or five of every German Soldier
killed in World War II was killed on the
Eastern Front not on the Western Front
now that's not to say the West did not
contribute they did Len Lees was very
big to Russia when we were shipping them
petroleum all kinds of products which
were crucial to their effort and kept
them going at a time when they were very
very deprived of everything
but the you have to say the Russians did
pull themselves up by the bootstrap and
Kennedy
he acknowledged the Damage Done to their
country he said one-third of that
country basically the Ukraine area the
whole
the whole Western section of the country
had been decimated by the Nazis uh it
was uh
someone he said from here to Chicago
would be the equivalent meaning in the
Soviet Union from New York from
Washington to Chicago is what he was
read he was relating to in that speech
he also
brief and he said it's time to realize
this and it's time for our countries to
basically
get it together and respect each other
and he emphasized not a Pax Americana
that was what people were thinking at
the time that it was an American piece
governed by American weapons of war
which is what we have to some degree now
in the world in other words he was
counseling a real piece of understanding
of of compassion of mutual respect and
we never achieved that believe it or not
we never achieved that briefly uh I
believe you know he was killed in 16
soon thereafter and his peace initiative
with the Soviet Union went down that
went down in the toilet uh as Lyndon
Johnson was a pedestrian politician and
a stupid man because he got himself
involved in a ridiculous War nine six
thousand miles away
he knew I mean he must have known better
than to do that and he kept fighting it
he never gave up because the America
cannot lose that was a it's a point of
Honor that is Nixon kept emphasizing we
cannot have we have to have a peace with
honor that peace with honor cost of
Vietnamese millions of people and it
cost American lives quite a bit and it
destroyed a lot of the country in the
sense of up here on morale we came back
from that war and I did I was a soldier
there you know much more callous tell us
about the world tell us about we didn't
consider at that time Asian people to be
human beings in the same level that we
were I mean that it was a it was a form
of racism
but that existed and it still exists uh
now of course we've come to respect the
Asian race because they made a lot of
money and they're very good at business
and organization and Society in these
people but at that time it was a whole
other ball game and that war was one of
the insanities of life that you have to
live through everyone's going to live
through some kind of insanity I'm sure
you will too or you probably have
already but uh anyway Kennedy's dream
was shattered but it still exists it
exists in the hearts of men and women
and the Young Generation who we inspired
uh
ronkovic whose book I made born the
Fourth of July into a movie was one of
those people was very inspired by Jack
Kennedy and many people were and he's
coming around now in history again to be
recognized he was dismissed marginalized
by the shortness of his office by the
historians you know saying that well he
was a good speech guy but he didn't
really accomplish anything which is
really unfair if you really look at what
he did and we don't have time to go into
that now we're not talking about John
Kennedy but
people like Noam Chomsky have dis have
have uh just not up to date on the
research and all the things that Kennedy
did and tried to do and speaking to all
the African countries to Nasser and the
Middle East to Indonesia sukarno he was
really reaching out to the third world
you can say he was a third world
conscious person and he knew that there
was a history of Oppression against the
third world and he knew that the
Russians were getting the better
advantage of it because they were
frankly they hadn't been in Africa
oppressing or colonizing the place so
Russia was much more appreciated by
neutral countries in those days but you
couldn't be neutral because the United
States kind of had came down on you John
Foster tell us his policy was that
neutrality his appeasement
am I going on too much I think we should
maybe I should get a little faster
the point was about the speech it was uh
this is all good no no we're not gonna
say one thing about your your question
is
no no I'm sorry uh this the famous
speech Yes Parks Americana yeah
the kind of peace that makes life on
Earth worth living that is what is so
important worth living I made a film now
it's just called nuclear now it's just
coming out it's on Amazon as of today
and uh you uh iTunes and uh Google Play
you can watch it and
it's about
I'm sorry it's about
energy and what are we going to do for
the future how do we keep the quality of
life that we want on this Earth we're
not getting that we're getting this
pollution New York today's bearing in
pollution the the point is that clean
energy is the solution and people don't
have the facts on clean energy and
that's one of the reasons that motivated
me to do the film because I worked with
scientists and I wanted to get
everything correct because I feel that
nuclear energy was never given that
given the respect it deserved you get
these agendas from Davos from all these
World organizations they talk about the
future and blah blah blah I never see
nuclear energy as they always talk about
Renewables solar uh hydropower uh and uh
wind but they're not just they're
they're good and we like them but
they're not the solution they're not
going to make up the volume that we need
which is continent size the world we're
thinking not just about the United
States we're thinking about the homework
you can see the movie it makes a very
important point we need nuclear energy
we need it now we need it big and a lot
of it we need to build and we can it's
all been in our we did it for 50 years
we've been doing it it works there was
one accident that was Lethal that was uh
churnable and it's all explainable and
it's ridiculous any in any industry has
to go through a period of growth and
it's important that it has be tested and
that's what's been happening they've
been building plants 400 and some all
over the world and they working and here
we are like questioning the nuclear
energy it's a ridiculous argument
because if you compare the deaths of
nuclear energy to the deaths of coal and
oil is not even close it's
magnitude of uh magnitudes different uh
the charts are in the film so here we
are obsessing about
melodramatic things like a a plane crash
becomes more important than the numerous
car crashes that are going on in other
words we sensationalize this thing
everything that goes wrong in nuclear is
sensationalized into this catastrophe
that's the end of the world which is
nonsense
it's nonsense we have too many examples
of success and we we can deal with with
we can deal with accidents we have to
without accidents you don't grow
we were at the premiere of nuclear now
in New York or the screening of it I'm
sorry I probably was going on no no no
no no Mr Stone please this this is all
good uh kind and I want to ask if you
wanted to follow up on the question yeah
I um I actually want to know you
mentioned your um War experience in
Vietnam and of course you've talked
about your interviews that your father
also served in World War II and
you were living in reality you were you
need this in in your movie Platoon you
show it's a very tough and terrifying
reality but it wasn't what people
thought was going on right and I want to
know how unique is that experience of
war and how does it separate the people
who fight Wars from the rest of us that
don't and I think that's crucial for our
time right now where we have the Ukraine
war and a lot of things are being said
about it but we really don't understand
what's going on so
uh so your question really is about
Ukraine or about about my War experience
about your War experience yeah yeah
because I think you know you and your
father have combat experience and when
the Layman who talks about war whether
it's supporting Ukraine or not or
whatever you know you actually have been
in it what is something in in general
that the Layman should know about combat
although
in my history anyway all the people who
talk about going to war fighting Wars
have never been in a war it's ironic
that they're the leaders Lyndon Johnson
was a big coward it seems you know he
George Bush was a coward he couldn't he
couldn't even serve in the National
Guard without without problems he was
scared of his horses and he although he
wanted the reputation of a macho Cowboy
actually he hated riding horses I mean
there's always this kind of tension uh
Lindsey Graham who's one of our worst
Senators ever you know talks about war
like he he does no experience of it he
was in the intelligence services
uh Nikki Haley oh my God she wants to be
president and here she is calling
yesterday for world war three if we
don't win Ukraine if we don't win
Ukraine how crazy has this thing gone
that we're fighting we want to fight
world war three which is a catastrophe
over Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine is six
thousand miles away and his history with
Russia is extremely complicated I've
done two films about it you've got to
understand it to even get into it
because America is fighting because of a
ideology about Russia and it's an
ideology that's dangerous Wicked and
exactly what John Kennedy was talking
about in his peace speech it's crazy to
go against Russia because
potentially we could be the best
Partners in the world not only on
nuclear energy which is crucial because
Russia is way out ahead of us as is
China we need allies to combat the world
situation because I think the most
threatening thing in the world is
pollution and CO2 I really feel that the
Arctic Ice is melting everything is
going to get worse and worse and Tighter
and more Wars more tension it's going to
be of Hell to live there I'm not going
to be there but after 2050 you might
well take all these consider into
consideration maybe you'll my Phil will
become a classic then maybe it'll be in
the Library of Congress or something I
don't have much they don't give me much
critique time but frankly uh I've been
warning about this since I read the book
bright future by Josh Josh Goldstein and
his nuclear engineer partner Stefan's
fist you saw the film it's the the book
is based on a book it's based on facts
it's all facts it's not one fact that
can be contested in that movie not one
and I'm very proud of that because I'm
always questioned them you know stone is
fictionalizing this and that Well
everybody's got an opinion on nuclear
but they don't know anything the same is
true frankly about Jack Kennedy's death
everybody's got an opinion everybody's
got an opinion oh I think he was shocked
by this I don't know I blah blah blah I
think it was obviously the one man did
it but you know they don't really people
don't spend time investigating it that's
what I do with my films and in my
documentaries
um
well no listen well for one I mean I
visited uh Princeton plasma physics lab
where they were doing groundbreaking
research on Fusion one of the things
your film ends on is is Fusion Energy
actually that it could be the hope for
the future and I know that um we have
now crossed a barrier where we for the
first time in history have produced more
energy with Fusion then we are using to
actually make it so you know there's
there is there is a real absolutely hope
but there's not really reasonable hope
within according to everyone I've talked
to and I was just up at MIT at with
Dennis uh White who's a genius uh he was
working on fusion plasma Fusion uh he he
took me through the steps but you know
given the amount of money you have to
spend to get that energy it's it's a
it's a no-go right now because you have
to have a scalable I'm sorry you have to
have a scalable uh
realistic cost to this uh until all
nuclear and fishing can do it fishing
can't do it although the United States
spends too much money China Korea Japan
have done it in a cheaper way and in
Russia too so it can be done
yeah well you know but of course we have
so many environmentalists blocking the
procedure with all these legal
restrictions that in America it's almost
impossible to build anything much less
not just in nuclear but in any industry
you know it's hard to lay Concrete in
this country to to get things done to
build info we can't replace our bridges
it's amazing that we're
you know we spend a fortune and yet it
dissipates we we don't build bullet
trains we hardly build anymore and that
is a concern uh
so
you know I'm looking to Eurasia I'm
looking to Asia I'm looking I think even
Latin America I think there's
a
Renee sauce it's possible and I I don't
discount the United States the United
States is great for innovation
there's 50 companies exploring smis of
nuclear efficient and they're doing you
know with government help
50 of them you know we hope but Fusion
itself is more a prospect for the latter
part of the century second half of the
century if we make it
to the
you know it's very interesting that you
talk about this because um you have a
very unique perspective with comparing
the United States in the era of the 50s
and 60s and to other countries like
France like I know you spent summers in
France
yeah and your mother was yeah right you
talk about this a little bit in your
biography can you actually speak on the
America that you experienced growing up
from your teens and 20s to what you see
today
yeah
yeah it's very sad to me but you know I
I suppose young people I mean older
people
I don't want to be the guy who says
always better than you know it was a lot
of problems back then to me it was a lot
more racism there was a lot more
um
unthought about military militarism and
I think where people are questioning
Wars they're questioning everything now
and sometimes it helps to do that but
there's a there's a partisanship the
gridlock that nothing gets done and that
is a problem such as nuclear energy that
was the easiest one to solve that was
not an issue but it became an issue
because there's a vocal minority
so I mean that's the kind of stuff that
blocks up the whole country because the
country could now be only nuclearized
let's say let's say 80 80 of our energy
like in France in France it's 70 could
come from electricity that would be
amazing and we'd also we would be
developing hydrogen where it can go
hydrogen can take us to liquid fuels for
airplanes for the future and it can take
us to to making industry viable without
burning up the whole atmosphere in other
words we could be producing cement we
could be producing steel we could be
producing agriculture fertilizer
all with that heat that comes from
nuclear energy going through hydrogen
hydrogen as a carrier with uh and even
carbon could make for a world that is
clean energy so out with the oil out
with the gas and gas is just as bad as
oil because gas is methane as we tried
to show in the film which is invisible
nobody sees it but it is
as Josh says in the film 80 times worse
than oil in the in the in the near term
it's really ugly nothing and we have a
lot more of it
so we're still up to 84 something like
that of our of our energy as fossil fuel
in the world fossil fuel at this point
all that talk about Renewables all that
we haven't changed anything we're still
pissing out the fossil fuel this is a
this is not the Kennedy approach Kennedy
was talking about nuclear energy way
back when so was Eisenhower they both
agreed on that and most of most people
were intelligent agree on it it's just
why can't we get things done
and we're wasting our time in Ukraine
we're fighting a war that we're going to
lose we're going to get it's humiliating
that we're lying about it from the
beginning there hasn't been any truth
told in any American newspaper that I've
seen it's unbelievable that people are
brainwashed in this country and they
believe what they read in the Washington
Post as they see on the
television networks it's just so
isn't it I mean do you ever hear of one
do you ever hear the Russian side of the
story I know I haven't heard it maybe
maybe some brave soul has done it but if
you're so much as trying to give the
Russians out of The Story You're
considered an apologist for for who you
saw my Putin interviews back in 2000 or
17 or 18. you know I was called all
kinds of things again but all it was is
a set of questions for him and you know
there's the film doesn't take an
editorial position it just lets him
speak in his own voice if you look at
all the American shows about Boone by
the way people don't realize this but
they're seeing a dubbed version of his
voice they don't even see the real voice
that Putin does so you're getting this
Bluff angry uh bluffing kind of Russian
caricature of a Russian man it's not the
way he is at all he's very soft-spoken
he's a Statesman he has the same
qualities as Kennedy he sees the long
picture and he's very patient if he
hadn't been so patient we would probably
be a war now in Russia
considering the things we have done in
Ukraine and a lot of dirty has gone
down believe me that war started by the
way in 2014 there's no question that war
started and you were right about that
Jose to call out uh what's her name they
uh and Alexandra ocos Rios or whatever
you know Casio Cortez yeah because you
know Cortez yeah she I mean she's not
she's smart I think she could learn but
they don't want to learn you know they
don't they're like Nikki Haley there's a
kind of a I can't go there because I
know it's not politically it's a it's a
negative politically for me to in any
way uh empathize with Russia which is
ridiculous considering that these are
the two most strongest nuclear powers in
the world and we're at the edge at the
very edge
of pulling that trigger uh which of
course would be a disaster for America
and we would lose much much more than
Russia is losing uh our industry or our
economy would go to anyway it
doesn't matter the moment a bomb is
blown it's going to demoralize the
entire world now but what you just said
though about like how AOC and Company
don't want to empathize with Putin is
exactly the point of the speech it's you
know you know JFK is saying put yourself
in the shoes of the Soviets we don't
have to like communism to
um admire their great history and
culture but the point is it isn't
communism it's a new form of capitalism
it's an authoritarian State okay they
have a form of democracy in other words
Americans won't admit this but the truth
is if you travel through Russia you'll
see that there's if Putin were not
popular enough he would be out that's
the way the Russian system works it's
it's a rough system tough neighborhood
but if you're not doing what the popular
will is you will be sussed out and
removed as Khrushchev was
Chef was considered too much of an
adventurer for what he did in the Cuban
Missile Crisis and they got rid of him
and he was totally in charge we thought
but they got rid of him and that happens
quietly on the Soviet side and then it
happened when we went to uh their post
uh communist world with the outset
Yeltsin was a democratically elected but
he you know he had tremendous flaws too
Boone took over and stabilized the
country and so from 2000 to 2023 you
will see that Russia really got stronger
and it's and it was constantly and I I
traced all this in the interviews it was
constantly attacked there was not one
moment when they let up on Putin it got
worse after 2007 when he made his speech
at Munich he did that speech and you see
John McCain the senator who loves war
with Russia he's sneering at him all the
Americans have never respected the
Russian point of view which is why he's
so patient because it's unbelievable how
many red line warnings were given to
America before the Ukraine the 22
situation happened in Ukraine they were
maybe that you can even say the fault of
Putin and he can be faulted for this is
he should have realized this in 2014
when the United States
uh pulled off this coup that Victoria
Newland is responsible for largely
responsible for with Jeffrey Pyatt the
ambassador to Ukraine when that happened
that was as you remember the the Eastern
provinces Donetsk and
and lugans were up in arms they were
already and Crimea was up in arms those
people are Russian ethnics they're not
going to go along with a new government
that's anti-russian and that was the
whole issue so Putin maybe should have
acted then and
he didn't want to because he wanted to
be well he was it was a very tenuous
position with the United States too he
still believed I believe in a
partnership in our documentary he kept
saying our partners our partners I got
upset with him I said why are you always
referring to the United States that your
partners are not your partners that was
the essence of our disagreement so I was
wondering but he still believed in the
possibility of negotiation I believe
that's what he thought would happen he
made warnings he made warnings about
this we're not going to have NATO on our
Southern uh in the Ukraine and we can't
where if I put weapons on the border of
Canada or Mexico you'd go nuts in the
United States you'd be at War but you
have no respect for us as a sovereign
country we're Sovereign sovereignty
means we do it our way we're our country
you're not going to tell us how to run
our country
which is exactly what John Kennedy is
saying we have to respect the
sovereignty of these other countries
which we didn't do after World War II we
ran over the sovereignty of Europe
England is is basically a slave uh is a
is a intelligence agency working for us
and uh France I mean de Gaulle tried and
he did separate and I think France has
really shown some courage in in the
nuclear Department certainly but uh the
sovereignty of these countries has been
compromised with military bases all over
their countries and Okinawa Japan
Korea uh Italy turkey now turkey thank
God is coming back there have some
Sovereign taken down we know with
erdogan but sovereignty is a key issue
that he keeps mentioning in his
speeches and no one in the United States
seems to pick up on it they don't even
they don't repeat his speeches properly
uh they they uh distort his species into
our our line of propaganda
Mr stone I have two more questions but
before I go uh kainen are you there yeah
I'm here still I want to give you an
opportunity to ask any follow-up you
want and then we'll stop with two more
questions sure
um Mr Stone I wanted to get your um
thoughts on a recent admission that
oracay Jr made on the Sean Hannity Show
when he was asked about
um the death of his brother uh his
father excuse me
um and he had said I'll just quote it
that the day that my uncle was killed I
was picked up at Sidwell Friends School
and brought home the first phone call
that my father made after J Edgar Hoover
told him that his brother had been shot
was the seat to the CIA desk officer in
Langley it was only a mile from our
house and then my father said to him did
your people do this and then he goes on
to describe his father asking the same
question to Henry Lewis who was one of
the Cuban Bay of Pigs leaders and John
McComb the head of the CIA then um so I
want your thoughts on his recent
admission and the importance of a member
of the Kennedy family saying something
like this it is important but I you know
I'm again I'm surprised because I knew
this and we've heard it before Kennedy
Robert Kennedy was clearly moving in
direct and several people have come out
and said that uh he was definitely going
to reopen the case now that has been
questioned but it seems to hold up that
he the people who knew his intention was
he was going to reopen the case and that
scared a lot of people because they knew
they were guilty so there was that adds
to the motivation to kill him
and as we know that is one of the most
screwed up assassinations of all time is
really dumb I mean to have all you have
all the shots from the front and it
seems like he was shot from the rear
definitely with that second gun from the
the the the security guard called Cesar
Thane I think it was called uh Robert
Kennedy's been correct about this and he
knows it and it's shocking to see his
family which should be more in the
Kennedy Spirit not open up to this and
condemn him like this I think Robert's
very very
guts he's got the guts of his father and
the guts of his uncle and that
unfortunately we don't see it in the
rest of them uh
there's you know this uh
I mean where else do you see such a
ridiculous cover story as Oswald shoots
him from this impossible position and
then he gets killed by a thug who's got
underground connections uh with with a
mob and that Thug in turn is dies of
cancer very suddenly a couple of years
later before he goes to trial so Oswald
is prevented from Talking going to trial
because Oswald knows a lot because he's
a plant he's a uh agile
agile used agile provocative the French
would say he's an agent used by the
intelligence agencies he goes to Russia
he goes blah blah blah he does all the
moves they use him like they use pawns
on a piece but he's not an important
Pawn he said only becomes important in
hindsight and then they got to kill him
fast
uh this is a ridiculous Story I mean
people who see movies would know right
away that something's fishy but uh the
country fell asleep again this is why
you know it's the people don't react I
mean the Warren report was made people
angry the majority of people got angry
but again nothing changed in that
government our government is somewhat of
a dictatorship in that way because it
just locks in now we have a one-party
State basically Republican Democrat
doesn't matter the defense budget goes
up to a trillion dollars it doesn't
matter these people keep voting and
voting because the money gets back
Channel back in contributions to
themselves so it's money has got to come
out of politics clearly but beyond that
the whole concept of a country worth
defending that we believe in is is very
very remote now
Mr Stone uh this will be kind of like
the last question issue that I'm just
going to ask one more thing of you
Donald Trump when he was asked why
didn't you release the Kennedy files he
said if you saw what was in them he
wouldn't want to release them too now
if there well this is kind of like a
two-part question I guess like one do
you think he's being honest about that
or is he lying and secondly if he's
being honest is this the is would it
expose the same kind of apparatus that
is involved in the cover-up of the
Nordstrom well
I understand and what'd you say the Gulf
Stream of the Nord stream blowing up the
Nordstrom pipeline story too uh but
definitely it falls in the same area of
espionage
now you don't if you have evidence of
Espionage like you you don't keep it on
paper you know it has to it has to
disappear you have to shred it you can't
have uh incriminating information like
that running around so I I highly doubt
that there would be an incriminating
piece of paper all we were doing is
trying to say let's pry this like Jim
Garrison was doing in his trial I was
trying to get a little more information
oh pry it open there are CIA agents
whose files we know exist but they we
can't get them those people people like
Phillips people like the guy in Florida
I forgot his name uh uh you know there's
a lot of these Morales uh I'm off the
top of my head I can't remember all the
names but there are people who worked on
this case and they knew Oswald they knew
all the players the Cubans they knew the
the the the mod element was working with
the CIA too
but there has to be a center and there
has to be an authority at the beginning
at the top that's the only thing that
makes sense The Authority that controls
this thing is the CIA
and to some degree the FBI but they
don't work in Con in tandem they they
were competitive
but so sometimes some of the best
information comes from the FBI because
they don't know what's really going on
but uh Angleton James Angleton and
counterintelligence plays a key role
here as does Richard Helms Helms was the
chief of the CIA eventually and uh a key
player I believe he knows a lot he knew
a lot more he lied his way through
Congress uh there was a joke when he
appeared in front of the uh the
committee uh that uh Frank church the
church committee that was a that was
horrible what he did Angleton too they
all lie and uh but I don't know what
Trump knows he tends to be a
melodramatic character but he was the
only one who actually next to way back
years ago Garrison he did try to do
something and then he backed off because
those files were supposed to be released
there was a date 2016 I believe it was
and somebody got to him at the very last
second and put pressure and said you
can't do this so what he's saying if
they knew what they knew it doesn't make
sense it's they wouldn't have that they
would not have that on paper in my
opinion but there would be good
information about the CIA agents and
their meetings and so forth but I don't
think that's going to come out either
by the way he's a minor player but he
does he did say a lot of things before
he died Howard Hunt is not to be ignored
these files are important
she's just the the very last question
and then um we'll be wrapped up um
do you bringing it to now and the
importance of speaking up the truth you
know I know you really liked what I did
against the New York Times and the
executive editors of Reuters and
Washington posts and stuff and um we're
going to continue to keep doing these
things Titan and I are involved in
training other people to do it because
they recognize us now
um no yeah we were we were barred from
going into a congressional Town Hall in
New York
they they told us you're not allowed in
so are they allowed to do that well I
don't got the money for a lawyer I'm
sure not but
um
one of the things we do though no matter
like whenever we train people is we tell
them to speak the truth unapologetically
and I think you're an expert in that and
another expert in that is Seymour Hirsch
Seymour Hersh is just saying what he
knows talking and Reporting what he
knows and I think he's what almost 80
years old or over 80 years old now so
he's doing his thing he's just saying
you know what I'm just gonna publish it
and he said that he took the Nordstrom
story to sub stack and he said the last
place he was going to take it to was the
New York Times what is your reflection
and observation on that story and on
Seymour Hersh in general
well on nordstream I do believe that the
United States had to know I mean when
Joe Biden said that so clearly in a
speech before it blew up that
it will not it's not going to go through
he almost said it Point Blank and he was
determined to stop it so Biden was very
much aware of the situation what exactly
happened I don't know maybe they used
ukrainians I'm sure they did but it's
you know the motive is so clear that you
know it's it's ridiculous to the United
States first first cover story was it
was the Russians who did it which I find
to be ridiculous uh the Nordstrom was
very important to Joe Joe Biden and it
does it did sever the relationship
between Russia and Europe and that has
hurt Europe more than it hurt Russia
that's what this unbelievable thing is
Germany really went along with it
Germany that was Germany property as
well as Russian property they blew it up
Germany did nothing because of this
I'm saying this new Chancellor he's not
really a very strong man he seems to be
cowed in fact he was booed the other day
by the German his own party in Germany I
I read that Schultz was booed because of
that so unhappy with he's put right he's
put he's destroyed the German economy
essentially they've allowed the
Americans to take over and tell and
dictate to them that they ain't going to
do liquid natural gas is going to come
from the U.S plus other countries and
that Germany is going to is gonna
abide by these higher prices as a result
Germany which already destroyed its
nuclear plants is now really in a home
uh France is doing better with energy
than Germany
and much less the coal plants that
Germany oh it's a nightmare Germany has
lost its standing
when you remember when we went to the
Iraq War Germany and France did not go
with us
the Prime Minister said no they they had
some sovereignty that's pretty pretty
interesting that the at least said no to
the United States on a major war that we
went into
but uh where was I I'm sorry the
pipeline right oh yeah on Hirsch
I know her and you know we've had uh you
know I think he's done some very good
work on mili he did some very good work
I don't know if his Nordstrom story
holds I mean I've heard
Pro and Khan I haven't really
investigated it but Hirsch on the other
hand
has done a lot of damage and you have
perhaps not known this but you should
look at his book he wrote on Camelot
it was a
very poor reporting job and it's been
outed and and he tried basically to go
after the Kennedy myth and uh he used
you see when Kennedy was killed that's
when the forces that were against
Kennedy all started to come out of the
woodwork the CIA among them all these
people that worked with them
gave information that was damaged near
the Kennedy such as they were behind the
attempts assassination attempts on
Castro not so there's no evidence of it
at all and Jim's Jim D Eugenio has been
on this case for a long time he reads
everything he was my main researcher on
my JFK Revisited absolutely not true
Kennedy was not into assassination did
not think it would work he knew it would
backfire but her hints at all this stuff
and he the sleeves with the gangsters
and the uh the the women and so Hersh is
very much a pure and his mentality
Puritan and he has his I call a
vulnerable side where
he sees he sees sex as some kind of
some kind of uh
mortal wound or something that he's a
strange guy or should I don't uh I would
counsel you to be cautious in what he
writes he's good but
he's getting his information from CIA
people and he's admitted as such and
that's CI person who he particularly got
information on on Camelot was the
assistant to Richard Helms during all
this process I forgot his name but he
gave a lot of information on the
Kennedys against the Kennedys to her so
that the source has to be questioned
there
okay perfect I I'm I'm out of questions
I think that's it kind of if there's
anything else Now's the Time
no I think this is good
yeah Mr Stone I I again want to thank
you for uh giving us the time to do this
and just if you could just give me like
a 10 second like I endorse the Kennedy
speech because we really want people to
watch it this weekend and it's going to
make one comment to you in your note to
me yes I gotta pee one sec oh okay
who who are you picking tonight
basketball wise
the nuggets
no I want to I want Miami to win I like
underdogs
what was for the underdog no no nuggets
nuggets are The Underdogs because
they've never made it are you kidding me
they're bigger don't you see the
difference I mean come on
the uh you got to give it to Miami
they're Scrappy they really hung in
there and they don't give up we'll see I
was with the Celtics the win but you
gotta root for the underdog it's like
yeah
okay I hear you anyway I'm sorry you
said you're gonna give me a comment on a
note in your note just for your own
dialogue and when you speak
you say here uh
okay Newland Lincoln and others was to
provoke an invasion by Russia
and to completely destroy them as a
Sovereign Nation now that's a big
statement to completely destroy them as
a Sovereign Nation I would say tone that
down a little bit and to bring regime
change to Russia in which they would
divide up Russia break it into economic
Parts more like a Yeltsin kind of
scenario than to it's such a huge
country I mean it doesn't it would it
wouldn't it's so insane completely
destroyed Russian I would avoid words
like that
no you're right they're trying to well
balkanize it I think is more that's real
quick it's not like Napoleon going to
Moscow and you know trying to conquer
Russia in 18 and whatever 15. uh the
other thing uh you wanted for me is an
endorsement of the speaker the six yeah
so I believe that John Kennedy's peace
speech at American University in June of
1963 it's an commencement speech he gave
was one of the classic speeches of
American History up there with FDR's uh
depression speech and Lincoln's
Gettysburg address and it's one of the
great eloquent speeches written by Ted
Sorensen and him
uh it gets to the essence of American
generosity and cooperation because
cooperation is the is the without
cooperation this world will perish we
need to cooperate and anyone who's
following the world situation can see
that America has gone wrong and is
hostile and very nervous about its
position in the world that's questioning
its right to be at the center and going
after any country that challenges it
whether it's China whether it's Iraq
whether it's Russia these countries have
not challenged us they're just trying to
get their space and their air and what
comes to them their national interests
are what matters to them and we're not
taking that into account we say that
their national interests are against our
values well
but that's not so that's not so you have
to re-examine what American values are
and what the Sovereign interests of
other nations are when you realize that
you'll realize that there are no enemies
really there are no there are no enemies
unless you pick a fight
it's like a school yard you know you got
to go pick a fight
and you got to call the other guy names
and he and all that kind of stuff and
that's what we've been doing
look at the other side and look what
they're saying and try to listen always
to what the other side says know you're
supposed enemy because maybe he's not
your enemy maybe he's your friend or
your partner
okay
well thank you very much Mr Stone thank
you so much recording stopped we can end
up there uh Jose keep me apprised at
what you're up to and your next uh all
your your actions I'd love to know
what's going on with uh your
interventions so to speak yes uh you
know
annual month friends of mine named due
dissonance they have filmed a
documentary about the interventions and
me and it'll be premiering next month or
so I'm sure we can send you a link for
you to watch it I'd like to see it yeah
what's it called I I don't know what the
documentary is going to be called but
they are called due dissidents that's
the name of their production company if
you want to I don't know what to say it
again do like d-u-e dissidents
d-i-s-s-i-d-e-n-c-e and that's the name
of their production company but uh other
than that Mr Stone again thank you
kindly I'll keep you updated on any any
exciting things give me a plug for my
book what's it called just say in your
book uh something the one I wrote the uh
yeah you didn't mention oh you're
chasing chasing the light that one right
just for a moment please
hey so tell me a little bit about your
book Chasing the lights
oh you read it
did I read it yeah yeah I read it I
especially I really like the
introduction because you were going
after something in that I think I and
kind of as young men who are broke okay
who come from the circumstances we come
from I'm from the South Bronx Eastern
Queens you're trying to achieve a goal
by no matter what it takes you have to
do it and right now kind of and I's goal
is to try and save the world I we really
don't want the world to be blown up in a
nuclear explosion and when you're
recounting your filming Salvador and how
you guys were going near bankrupt just
to finish your first film was awfully
inspiring good good I wanted it to reach
out to a younger generation because I
think it's an eternal struggle a young
person trying to make it in this world
trying to find this a spot
a sovereign spot a place where he can
feel that comfortable with the world at
home and that took a long time and it
wasn't easy
I I was uh after Vietnam and it took
many years it took seven eight years for
me to really break through and and get
heard and get a place and I talk about
the projections more than the successes
and I want people to realize that
rejection is a part of it too because
then makes you stronger and you have to
be humble in the sense of that's what's
going to happen you're going to get your
ass kicked and by the way I'm still
getting my ass kicked it hasn't changed
I've had successes it's true but it's
also more failure than successes
just think it's I want to help another
generation because frankly our hope is
in another generation it's the world is
going to be yours I hope you take good
care of it good luck all right Jose well
thank you kindly Mr Stone thank you take
care and your name is illwin oh my uh
kainen k-y-n-a-n kainan
k y
Canaan is the rapper from Sudan
I've never heard of him before he's
great I tried to cast him as Bob Marley
in a movie
he was a great great rapper beautiful
music
yeah kind of you can call me Kai for
short that's easier for some are you
Hawaiian or something no um it's
actually a Welsh name oh I see well good
luck to you okay guys bye-bye thank you
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