Plato’s best (and worst) ideas - Wisecrack
Summary
TLDRPlato, a foundational figure in Western philosophy, is renowned for his theory of Forms, positing an ideal, unchanging realm beyond our flawed reality. He advocated for philosopher-kings to govern, envisioning a utopian society in 'The Republic.' Despite his influential political theories, Plato's views on women's capabilities and the 'noble lie' to maintain societal structure have been criticized. His ideas, both progressive and problematic, have shaped and continue to influence modern thought.
Takeaways
- 📚 Plato is considered one of the most influential philosophers in history, with some describing Western philosophy as a series of footnotes to his work.
- 🏛️ He founded the first Western university and was a teacher to great minds such as Aristotle.
- 🌐 Plato proposed the existence of a perfect, unchanging world of Forms, which are ideal versions of the things and concepts we see in our imperfect world.
- 🤔 He believed that philosophers should use reason to understand these Forms, rather than relying on their senses.
- 🐦 Plato humorously classified humans as 'featherless bipeds,' which was mocked by Diogenes the Cynic with a plucked chicken.
- 🏛️ As a political theorist, Plato argued that only those who have mastered the craft of ruling, which involves contemplating the Forms, should lead.
- 🌳 In 'The Republic,' Plato envisioned a utopian society led by a philosopher king, emphasizing justice and harmony.
- 🚺 He was progressive for his time, suggesting that women were equally capable of ruling, although he also made inconsistent statements about women elsewhere.
- 🤝 Plato suggested society should be divided into producers, military, and rulers, supported by a 'noble lie' about the metals in people's souls determining their roles.
- 🔧 Despite some outdated or flawed ideas, Plato's work has been foundational, allowing future thinkers to refine and build upon his theories.
Q & A
Who did Plato influence according to the script?
-Plato influenced many of today's thinkers, with one 20th-century philosopher even describing all of Western philosophy as a series of footnotes to Plato.
What was Plato's major contribution to education?
-Plato created the first Western university and taught Ancient Greece's greatest minds, including Aristotle.
What is Plato's theory of Forms?
-Plato argued that beyond our imperfect world is a perfect, unchanging world of Forms, which are the ideal versions of the things and concepts we see around us. Our reality is made up of imperfect copies of these ideal Forms.
What was Plato's view on how philosophers should navigate reality?
-Plato believed that philosophers should strive to contemplate and understand the perfect Forms so they may better navigate our misleading reality.
What did Plato say about the human species in comparison to animals?
-Plato described humans as 'featherless bipeds.' However, this definition was famously mocked by Diogenes the Cynic, who brought a plucked chicken to Plato's class, calling it 'Plato's man.'
What was Plato's ideal form of government?
-In his Republic, Plato imagined a utopia where justice is the ultimate goal, and the city is led by a philosopher king. He believed rulers should be skilled in the craft of contemplating the Forms.
What was Plato’s view on women’s ability to rule?
-Plato reasoned that women were equally able to rule in his ideal model city, making him one of the earliest to advocate gender equality in leadership.
What was one of Plato's mistaken beliefs about women's health?
-Plato believed that a woman's womb was a live animal that could wander around in her body and cause illness, a misconception that influenced European medicine for hundreds of years.
How did Plato propose society should be structured?
-Plato proposed that society should be divided into three groups: producers, the military, and rulers. He also suggested a 'noble lie' that people are born with gold, silver, or a mixture of brass and iron in their souls, which determines their role in life.
Did Plato’s 'noble lie' have any modern implications?
-Some thinkers credit Plato’s idea of the 'noble lie' as a prototype for 20th-century propaganda, with the philosopher king serving as an inspiration for dictators who manipulated these ideas.
Outlines
📚 Plato's Influence and Philosophical Ideas
Plato, a foundational figure in Western philosophy, is renowned for his profound impact on thinkers across the ages. He is credited with establishing the first Western university and mentoring eminent minds like Aristotle. Plato introduced the concept of a perfect, unchanging world of Forms, which are ideal versions of the things we perceive. He believed that philosophers should aim to understand these Forms to navigate our flawed reality. Plato also grappled with the challenge of discerning truth, advocating for reason over sensory experience. His ideas have been both celebrated and critiqued, with some, like his classification of humans as 'featherless bipeds,' being humorously challenged by contemporaries like Diogenes the Cynic.
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Keywords
💡Plato
💡Forms
💡Philosopher King
💡Republic
💡Noble Lie
💡Diogenes the Cynic
💡Political Science
💡Women's Equality
💡Wandering Womb
💡Reason vs. Senses
Highlights
Plato's influence on Western philosophy is so profound that one philosopher described it as a series of footnotes to Plato.
Plato founded the first Western university and was a teacher to some of Ancient Greece's greatest minds, including Aristotle.
Plato's concept of Forms posits a perfect, unchanging world beyond our imperfect reality.
Forms are ideal versions of things and concepts that serve as an instruction manual to our world.
Plato argued that our reality is made up of imperfect copies of these ideal Forms.
Philosophers should use reason to understand perfect Forms and navigate our misleading reality, according to Plato.
The disconnect between appearance and truth is a central problem in philosophy, explored by theologians, philosophers, and screenwriters.
Plato's classification of humans as 'featherless bipeds' was humorously challenged by Diogenes the Cynic.
Plato is recognized as one of the earliest political theorists and a founder of political science.
He believed that only those who have mastered the craft of ruling, which involves contemplating Forms, are fit to lead.
In Plato's Republic, he envisions a utopia where justice is the ultimate goal and the city is led by a philosopher king.
Plato was millennia ahead of his time in suggesting that women were equally capable of ruling in his ideal city.
Plato's inconsistent views on women included likening them to children and believing their wombs were live animals.
Plato proposed a societal structure divided into producers, the military, and rulers, governed by a 'noble lie'.
The 'noble lie' suggested that people are born with predetermined roles in life, based on the metals in their souls.
Some thinkers see Plato's 'noble lie' as a precursor to 20th-century propaganda and the philosopher king as an inspiration for dictators.
Despite some flawed ideas, Plato's status as one of the greatest philosophers is not diminished; his ideas have been tested and refined over centuries.
Plato's ideas have become foundational to the modern world, as we continue to refine and build upon them.
Transcripts
Few individuals have influenced the world and many of today's thinkers like Plato.
One 20th century philosopher even went so far
as to describe all of Western philosophy as a series of footnotes to Plato.
He created the first Western university
and was teacher to Ancient Greece's greatest minds,
including Aristotle.
But even one of the founders of philosophy wasn't perfect.
Along with his great ideas,
Plato had a few that haven't exactly stood the test of time.
So here are brief rundowns of a few of his best and worst ideas.
Plato argued that beyond our imperfect world
was a perfect unchanging world of Forms.
Forms are the ideal versions of the things and concepts we see around us.
They serve as a sort of instruction manual to our own world.
Floating around the world of Forms is the ideal tree,
and the ideal YouTube channel,
and even the ideal justice,
or ideal love.
Our own reality is comprised of imperfect copies of ideal Forms.
Plato argued that philosophers should strive to contemplate
and understand these perfect Forms
so that they may better navigate our misleading reality.
While it may seem silly,
the disconnect between the world as it appears
and the greater truth behind it
is one of philosophy's most vexing problems.
It's been the subject of thousands of pages by theologians,
philosophers,
and screenwriters alike.
It raises questions like should we trust our senses to come to the truth
or our own reason?
For Plato, the answer is reason.
It alone provides us with at least the potential to contemplate the Forms.
But reason didn't always pan out for Plato himself.
When he sought to situate humankind amongst the animals,
he lumped us in with birds.
"Featherless bipeds" was his official designation.
Diogenes the Cynic, annoyed by this definition,
stormed into Plato's class with a plucked chicken,
announcing, "Behold. Plato's man."
But back to a few good ideas.
Plato is one of the earliest political theorists on record,
and with Aristotle, is seen as one of the founders of political science.
He reasoned that being a ruler was no different than any other craft,
whether a potter or doctor,
and that only those who had mastered the craft were fit to lead.
Ruling was the craft of contemplating the Forms.
In his Republic, Plato imagined a utopia where justice is the ultimate goal.
Plato's ideal city seeks a harmonious balance between its individual parts
and should be lead by a philosopher king.
Millennia before his time,
Plato also reasoned that women were equally able to rule in this model city.
Unfortunately, Plato was inconsistent with women,
elsewhere likening them to children.
He also believed that a woman's womb was a live animal
that could wander around in her body and cause illness.
This bad idea, also espoused by other contemporaries of Plato,
was sadly influential for hundreds of years in European medicine.
Furthermore, he thought that society should be divided into three groups:
producers,
the military,
and the rulers,
and that a great noble lie should convince everyone to follow this structure.
The noble lie he proposed
was that we're all born with gold, silver, or a mixture of brass and iron
in our souls,
which determine our roles in life.
Some thinkers have gone on to credit the idea of the noble lie
as a prototype for 20th century propaganda,
and the philosopher king as inspiration for the dictators that used them.
Should a few bad ideas
tarnish Plato's status as one of the greatest philosophers in history?
No!
Plato gave the leaders and thinkers who came after him a place to start.
Through the centuries,
we've had the chance to test those ideas through writing and experience,
and have accepted some while rejecting others.
We are continuing to refine, amend, and edit his ideas
which have become foundations of the modern world.
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