How An Interrogation Expert Spots A LIAR - Chase Hughes

Dream out Loud Podcast
25 Aug 202408:26

Summary

TLDRThis transcript discusses techniques for detecting deception, emphasizing the importance of observing changes in behavior rather than relying on specific indicators. It highlights the significance of context and clusters of behaviors when identifying lies. The speaker shares strategies like raising the stakes through questioning and using 'bait' and 'punishment' questions to provoke a response that may reveal deception. These methods are applicable in various settings, including everyday life and professional interrogations.

Takeaways

  • 🔍 Look for changes in behavior: Paying attention to shifts in a person's responses, eye movements, or breathing patterns can indicate deception.
  • 🧩 Understand the importance of context: A person's behavior might be influenced by external factors, so it's crucial to consider the situation before drawing conclusions.
  • 👀 Focus on clusters of behavior: A single behavior doesn't necessarily indicate lying; it's the pattern of multiple behaviors that can signal deception.
  • 📈 Raise the stakes to increase deception indicators: Higher stakes can amplify a person's stress and make deception cues more apparent.
  • 🤔 Ask good questions: Effective questioning can be a powerful tool in detecting deception, especially when the questions are designed to provoke a response.
  • 🪤 Use bait questions: These are hypothetical questions that can catch a liar off guard, making them reveal their deception.
  • 👶 Adapt techniques for children: The 'punishment question' is effective for children, asking them what should happen to the person who did something wrong.
  • 💡 Recognize the emotional aspect: People often visualize the consequences of their actions when faced with questions about potential punishment, which can reveal their involvement.
  • 🔑 Key to confessions: Understanding the psychological aspects of deception and the right way to ask questions can lead to obtaining confessions.
  • 📚 Learning from experience: The speaker's personal anecdotes and professional experience emphasize the practical application of these techniques in real-life scenarios.

Q & A

  • What is the most important aspect of detecting deception according to the speaker?

    -The most important aspect of detecting deception, as per the speaker, is being good at detecting changes in a person's behavior during a conversation.

  • Why did the speaker consider learning all the deception indicators a mistake?

    -The speaker considered it a mistake because focusing solely on individual indicators can be misleading. Instead, detecting changes in behavior is more reliable in identifying deception.

  • How does the speaker suggest using the context to understand body language better?

    -The speaker suggests considering the context, such as the environment or situation, to interpret body language accurately, as it can affect a person's behavior, like crossing arms due to cold rather than defensiveness.

  • What is the significance of looking for clusters of behaviors according to the transcript?

    -Looking for clusters of behaviors is significant because a single behavior does not necessarily indicate deception; it is the combination of multiple behaviors that can suggest dishonesty.

  • How does raising the stakes affect the detection of deception?

    -Raising the stakes increases the likelihood of detecting deception because higher stress and anxiety can lead to more noticeable changes in behavior and body language.

  • What is a 'bait question' as described in the transcript?

    -A 'bait question' is a type of question that presents a hypothetical scenario related to the suspected deception, aiming to provoke a reaction that could indicate guilt or awareness of the situation.

  • How can the 'punishment question' be used to detect deception in children, as mentioned in the script?

    -The 'punishment question' involves asking children what they think should happen to the person who committed a certain act. Their response can reveal their awareness or involvement in the act.

  • What is the psychological impact of the 'punishment question' on both children and adults?

    -The 'punishment question' can cause psychological stress in both children and adults by making them visualize the consequences of getting caught, which may lead to revealing their involvement in the act.

  • Why is it important to ask good questions when trying to detect deception, according to the speaker?

    -Asking good questions is important because it can increase the stakes and provoke a response that reveals deception, as opposed to just observing behavior.

  • How does the speaker use their military uniform to influence the conversation with their children in the script?

    -The speaker uses their military uniform to create a sense of authority and seriousness when questioning their children about a misdeed, which can increase the effectiveness of the 'punishment question'.

Outlines

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🕵️‍♂️ Detecting Deception: Behavior and Context

The speaker emphasizes the importance of detecting changes in behavior as a key to identifying deception. They recount their experience of learning various deception indicators, which they compiled into a 'periodic table.' However, they stress that recognizing changes in a person's behavior during a conversation is more crucial than memorizing specific indicators. The speaker advises looking for consistency in responses and body language, such as eye movements, finger gestures, and breathing patterns. Understanding the context in which certain behaviors occur is also highlighted, as it can provide insight into whether a behavior is deceptive or simply a response to the environment. The concept of 'clusters' of behaviors is introduced, where a single behavior is not enough to conclude deception; instead, a pattern or cluster of behaviors is necessary. The speaker also discusses the impact of 'stakes' on deception indicators, suggesting that increasing the stakes of a situation can amplify the signs of deception.

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👶 Using Deception Detection with Children

The speaker provides examples of how to apply deception detection techniques in everyday life, particularly with children. They recount personal anecdotes from their childhood and their experience as a parent, highlighting the use of 'bait questions' and 'punishment questions' to elicit truthful responses. The 'punishment question' is described as a method to provoke an emotional response that can reveal whether a child is lying. The speaker shares a story of using this technique at home with their children, Charlotte and William, after finding an open box of chocolate milk spilled on the carpet. By asking each child what should happen to the person responsible for the spill, the speaker was able to discern who was responsible based on their responses. The speaker concludes by noting that both children and adults react similarly to these types of questions, as they provoke an internal visualization of the scenario and its potential consequences.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Deception

Deception refers to the act of creating a false impression or misleading others. In the context of the video, deception is the main theme as the speaker discusses various techniques to detect when someone is lying. The speaker emphasizes the importance of looking for changes in behavior and clusters of deceptive indicators rather than relying on a single behavior.

💡Indicators

Indicators, in this video, are the physical or verbal cues that may suggest someone is being deceptive. The speaker mentions that while there are well-known indicators of lying, such as eye movement or body language, the key to detecting deception is recognizing changes in these indicators rather than the indicators themselves.

💡Change Detection

Change detection is the act of noticing shifts or alterations in behavior, responses, or body language. The video highlights that being adept at detecting changes is more crucial than memorizing specific deceptive behaviors. For instance, the speaker suggests that if there is a significant change in a person's responses or body language, it could indicate deception.

💡Context

Context refers to the circumstances or setting in which something occurs. In the video, the speaker stresses the importance of understanding context when interpreting deceptive indicators. For example, crossing one's arms might be seen as defensive, but if it's cold, it could simply be a response to the temperature, not an indicator of deception.

💡Clusters

Clusters in the video represent a group or pattern of behaviors that, when observed together, can suggest deception. The speaker argues against relying on a single behavior to determine if someone is lying, instead advocating for looking at a cluster of behaviors to make a more accurate assessment.

💡Stakes

Stakes in this video refer to the level of risk or consequence associated with a situation. The speaker explains that raising the stakes can increase the likelihood of detecting deception, as higher stakes can lead to more noticeable stress or anxiety in a person's behavior, which may reveal deception.

💡Bait Question

A bait question is a technique used to elicit a reaction from a person by presenting a hypothetical scenario related to the matter at hand. The speaker uses this technique to increase the stakes and provoke a response that might reveal deception. For example, asking a suspect if there's any reason they would be seen at a crime scene, even if they know they weren't there.

💡Punishment Question

The punishment question is a specific type of bait question used to determine if a person might be guilty of an action. It involves asking the person what they think the appropriate punishment should be for the person who committed a certain act. The speaker uses this technique with children to get them to inadvertently reveal their involvement in an incident by their suggested punishment.

💡Behavioral Analysis

Behavioral analysis is the process of studying and interpreting human behavior, particularly to detect changes that might indicate deception. The video emphasizes the importance of this analysis over memorizing specific deceptive behaviors, as it allows for a more nuanced understanding of whether someone is lying.

💡Ramping Up

Ramping up, in the context of the video, refers to the act of increasing the intensity or seriousness of a situation to observe how a person reacts. This could involve making a statement that raises the stakes or increases the pressure on the person being questioned, which can lead to more noticeable signs of deception.

Highlights

Indicators for detecting lies include changes in behavior, such as eye movement, finger gestures, and breathing patterns.

The importance of being adept at detecting changes in behavior rather than memorizing specific indicators.

The significance of context in interpreting body language and behaviors.

The concept of 'clusters' in detecting deception, where a single behavior is not enough to indicate a lie.

The impact of stakes on the visibility of deception indicators, with higher stakes leading to more noticeable signs.

Techniques for raising the stakes in a conversation to elicit more telling reactions.

The effectiveness of 'bait questions' in detecting deception by introducing hypothetical scenarios.

The use of vagueness in bait questions to increase their effectiveness.

Applying bait questions to everyday situations, such as with children, to uncover the truth.

The 'punishment question' as a method to gauge a child's potential involvement in an incident.

How emotional responses to punishment questions can reveal a person's involvement or awareness.

The psychological impact of raising stakes and visualizing potential consequences on a person's behavior.

The importance of asking good questions in the process of detecting deception.

The practical application of deception detection techniques in various contexts, including law enforcement and parenting.

The potential for deception indicators to be influenced by external factors, emphasizing the need for context awareness.

The periodic table of deception indicators as a comprehensive tool for understanding and detecting lies.

Transcripts

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what are some things we need look for to

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spot people who are lying there are some

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indicators that are pretty well known

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and I'll give you a couple of those but

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I think it's the biggest mistake I ever

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made in my life was spending a 10 Years

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Learning all of those indicators I've

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built a periodic table of this stuff uh

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which you've seen we've seen it

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and so when it comes to these indicators

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those are important what's really

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important is being good at detecting

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change so the conversation starts

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normally where you from when are you do

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some basic information I'm getting out

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of this person and then we get to the

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harder questions and I'm looking for

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changes to their behavior are they

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answering questions the same way that

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they were a few minutes ago are their

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eyes moving the same way are their

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fingers doing the same thing are they

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breathing the at the same speed so

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looking for changes is more important

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than knowing what behaviors to look for

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so if I see a big pile of

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changes I can be almost certain that

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this person is being decept it without

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even knowing what I'm really seeing so

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getting good at changes is the first and

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most important thing then understanding

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context and clusters so context meaning

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like well this person uh is crossing

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their arms it must be defensive well

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what if it's 50° outside and they're

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freezing cold so there's context that

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that plays in so then understanding

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context and then clusters I'm going to

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look for not just one behavior when

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somebody says oh somebody scratched

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their nose or they touched their face

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they're lying or they looked away for a

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minute they're lying one Behavior never

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indicates deception by itself it never

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should you should always see a cluster

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of behavior and sometimes someone's

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lying and those behaviors aren't there

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they're just not

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there and that has to go that goes into

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Stakes are you good enough to ask

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questions to raise the stakes so if I

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give you a picture of a duck right now

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and tell you convince this person over

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here that you are looking at a picture

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of a horse you're not going to show a

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lot of deception indicates but if I do

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the exact same thing can I say if you

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don't do this I'm going to put a bullet

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in your head you're doing the exact same

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lie the exact same situation now the

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stakes are higher so that your deception

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indicators are are increased ined so

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like one of the ways that we might

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increase Stakes is something as simple

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as me saying Morgan I like you as a

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person

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and I don't want you to get tripped up

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so I want you to think very carefully

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before you answer this question you

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understand that so now the stakes go up

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so I've I've just pumped up your body

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language with just a little paragraph

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there yeah so then it's going to make it

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me more sensitive to any sort of

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deceptive patents absolutely ramping up

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your brain yeah uh before the question

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comes so that and if you're innocent

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your brain's not going to get ramped up

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yeah so if a murder took place and you

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know you're not the killer you're going

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to be like yeah okay fine that question

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won't cause you any

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stress just it's just like this other

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question when we talking about detecting

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deception it's not just about Behavior

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it's about can you ask good

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questions and one of the best questions

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in the world is called a bait

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question and this is where let's say a

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crime happened let's say some $10,000

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was stolen from a a grocery store or

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something and I've got you in here as a

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suspect uh and you did it let's say you

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did

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it

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and I might say morning is there any

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reason that you can think of that a

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video would have showed up from a black

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and white camera maybe a a security

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camera that showed that you took the

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money and if you knew there were no

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video cameras you'd say no you'd be

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comfortable right so then I make it more

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vague and I say more is there any reason

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that somebody would have say that they

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saw your car parked outside that store

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that

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evening and you don't know how many

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people I've talked to and the only time

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that you will get nervous is if you were

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there true and you don't and you know

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that if you're going to commit to lying

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and I'm about to slam you in the face

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with Le it so you don't know if I'm

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about to do that that's why that bay

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question is so important it works with

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kids and the second way to do the way to

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do the B question is is there any reason

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blah blah blah might have happened so

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you never are leading them you're not

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saying I have this evidence ever

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hypothetical is there any reason

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somebody would have told one of our

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officers or one of our investigators

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that they saw you parked outside of that

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house or they saw you at around 9 :15

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p.m. um so the more vague the better it

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is so how would you use that you said

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with kids so how would you use that with

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with say your children in completely

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different context in like an everyday

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life yeah give me a lie I I'll tell you

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good question well you have kids what

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what lies the kids say well things what

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I used to say was I gave my parents

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heart attacks when we growing up man of

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times the police came to the door um I

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don't know it was just always that it

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wasn't me I didn't do it I wasn't there

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yeah so one thing uh is there any reason

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somebody would have seen you or is there

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any reason someone would say that you

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might be there uh is great for kids the

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best one for kids is is called the

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punishment question and this is what do

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you think should happen to the person

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that did

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this

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and so this has been used uh in my life

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uh talking to predators and these are

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people that pray on children M and I

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would say well what do you think should

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happen to the person that did this and

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the answer is always something like well

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definitely they should apologize to the

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F we they didn't need some kind of

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counseling something like really lower

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yeah ridiculous and they'll they'll say

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things like obviously that person's sick

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and they need help and they need some

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kind of counseling and

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therapy uh and at on my kids I used this

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before so when I was in the military I

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come home in my uniform one day like the

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little camo for walking in and there's

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little box of chocolate milk right it's

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opened and it's just laying on inside

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all this chocolate milk is just we had a

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white rug like an idiot it with kids

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and my two kids Charlotte and William

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are in there they're probably five and

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six somewhere around there and I was

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like who brought this milk here in the

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Liv you're not supposed to have milk in

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here just water and they're like no no

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no I look at my son I don't know I'm

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like all right Charlotte living room

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William kitchen sephar

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yeah I went to Charlotte first I said

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Charlotte what should the person that

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spilled this milk on the floor She said

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uh spank can mm more Xbox no electronics

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can't go outside can't play with friends

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grounded I'm like okay all right and I

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go over to William I say William what

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should Happ the person that spilled that

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chocolate milk on the floor and he goes

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um no more chocolate milk in the living

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room

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so and what's funny is like it's funny

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that kids do this but adults react to

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the same way to that question cuz it's

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emotional right they' be imagine I'm

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trying to play in my head I'm like what

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would be happening cuz if I did it I

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have images of it happening like as so

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I'm visually I'm I'm playing it out of

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my head and if I'm focusing on I'm going

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to feel it yeah and now if you're

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raising the stakes being like what

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should happen now I'm visualizing if I

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get caught It's My Punishment it's gonna

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make me right I'm freaking out yeah I'm

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like oh well what if they do what they

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say that they're going to do what if I

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do what if they do what I say and so

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that's the the the bait question and the

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punishment question those are really

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good that's killer and really getting to

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the truth is when we get down into like

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the the ways to get a confession not

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