Breaking News: George RR Martin Breaks His Silence On House of the Dragon Season 2 & Winds of Winter

Talking Thrones
30 Aug 202412:37

Summary

TLDRFans of 'A Song of Ice and Fire' and 'Game of Thrones' express disappointment over HBO's 'House of the Dragon' season 2, feeling it didn't meet expectations. Author George R. R. Martin is reportedly unsatisfied, hinting at a blog post detailing his concerns. The video speculates on potential issues, such as budget constraints and creative liberties, and discusses Martin's struggle between focusing on his novels or HBO's adaptations. The sponsor, displate, offers a discount on metal posters, providing a creative backdrop for fans' passion projects.

Takeaways

  • 🔥 Fans of 'A Song of Ice and Fire' and 'Game of Thrones' are divided over the quality of HBO's 'House of the Dragon', with many considering the latest season underwhelming.
  • 🐉 The finale of 'House of the Dragon' was satisfactory for some, but the series did not meet the high expectations set by HBO's previous drama series.
  • 💸 There is a belief that the second season of 'House of the Dragon' could have had a better ending if the showrunners had been allocated more resources.
  • 🎥 The production of key episodes like the Battle of the Gullet and the fall of King's Landing was hindered by budget constraints.
  • 📉 HBO's reluctance to finance a full season of 'House of the Dragon' could lead to a repeat of the issues faced in the second season.
  • 💬 Author George R. R. Martin has expressed dissatisfaction with the second season of 'House of the Dragon', hinting at a more detailed critique to come.
  • 🖥️ The video features a sponsored segment for 'Displate', a company offering metal posters and装饰品 for walls.
  • 📚 George R. R. Martin is struggling with the decision between focusing on his novels or the TV adaptations, which could impact the legacy of 'A Song of Ice and Fire'.
  • 🤔 There is speculation about the extent of Martin's involvement in the show's development and whether his input could have improved the second season.
  • 👀 The video creator anticipates Martin's forthcoming blog post, which may provide insight into the specific issues he has with 'House of the Dragon'.

Q & A

  • What is the general fan consensus on the second season of 'House of the Dragon'?

    -Many fans consider the second season of 'House of the Dragon' to be underwhelming, falling below the high standards expected from an HBO drama series.

  • What major events were fans expecting to see in the second season finale of 'House of the Dragon'?

    -Fans were expecting to see the Battle of the Gullet and the fall of King's Landing in the second season finale of 'House of the Dragon'.

  • What issues did the 'House of the Dragon' showrunners face during the second season?

    -The showrunners faced budget constraints which led to the inability to film the Battle of the Gullet and the fall of King's Landing, and it seems they might face similar issues in the upcoming season.

  • What has been the reaction of the author George R. R. Martin to the second season of 'House of the Dragon'?

    -George R. R. Martin has expressed dissatisfaction with the second season of 'House of the Dragon', indicating that he will share his thoughts in a blog post.

  • What is the current status of George R. R. Martin's involvement in the 'House of the Dragon' series?

    -George R. R. Martin is not actively involved in the writer's room for 'House of the Dragon', but he has been in communication with the showrunners and has given feedback on scripts and outlines.

  • What is the main dilemma George R. R. Martin is facing regarding his work on 'A Song of Ice and Fire' and the TV adaptations?

    -George R. R. Martin is wrestling with the idea of whether to focus on finishing the 'A Song of Ice and Fire' novels or to continue working with HBO on the TV adaptations.

  • What is the current sentiment of George R. R. Martin regarding the legacy he wants to leave behind?

    -George R. R. Martin is stressed about his legacy and is considering his impact on both his novels and the TV adaptations, expressing a desire for a lasting legacy similar to that of J.R.R. Tolkien.

  • What is the speculated reason for George R. R. Martin's lack of focus on finishing 'A Song of Ice and Fire'?

    -It is speculated that George R. R. Martin's involvement in multiple HBO projects and his desire to see his ideas come to life on screen are distracting him from focusing solely on completing the novels.

  • What is the fan expectation from George R. R. Martin's upcoming blog post about 'House of the Dragon'?

    -Fans are expecting George R. R. Martin to address specific issues with the second season of 'House of the Dragon', including his thoughts on character developments and storyline changes from the source material.

  • What is the current offer from 'Displate' mentioned in the script?

    -Displate is offering a discount on their metal posters, with 22% off on the first two displates or 30% off on three or more, as part of their sponsorship of the video.

Outlines

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🔥 'House of the Dragon' Season 2 Critiques and Future Concerns

The first paragraph discusses the mixed reactions from 'A Song of Ice and Fire' and 'Game of Thrones' fans to HBO's 'House of the Dragon' season 2. It mentions that while the finale was satisfactory to some extent, the season did not meet the high expectations set by HBO dramas. The script suggests that a lack of resources could be a reason for the perceived shortcomings and that the showrunners' vision for the season finale, including the 'Battle of the Gallet' and the 'Fall of King's Landing,' was not fully realized due to budget constraints. The paragraph also hints at potential issues for the upcoming season, with the showrunner indicating that HBO may not be willing to finance a full season, which could impact the adaptation of significant events from 'Fire and Blood.' The author, George R. R. Martin, is also noted to be dissatisfied with the season, as he expressed at a recent convention and on his blog, potentially leading to a call for increased budget or an additional season to do justice to the source material.

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📚 George R. R. Martin's Involvement and Dilemma with 'House of the Dragon'

The second paragraph delves into George R. R. Martin's involvement with 'House of the Dragon' and his personal dilemma. It is suggested that Martin's lack of constant presence in the writer's room might have affected the show's fidelity to the source material. While he was actively involved in the initial stages, his busy schedule and focus on other projects have limited his ongoing contribution. The paragraph also touches on Martin's struggle between ensuring a faithful adaptation of his work and concentrating on completing the 'A Song of Ice and Fire' book series. His recent statements at a convention and on his blog indicate a level of dissatisfaction with the show's direction and a contemplation of his legacy, hinting at the stress he feels about the unfinished novels and his desire for a lasting impact akin to J.R.R. Tolkien's.

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🤔 Speculations on George R. R. Martin's Opinions on 'House of the Dragon' Season 2

The third paragraph speculates on George R. R. Martin's opinions about the second season of 'House of the Dragon,' particularly in light of his cryptic statements. It raises questions about his views on specific narrative choices and character developments in the season, such as the handling of Rhaenyra's visions, the readiness to surrender the city, and romantic subplots. The paragraph also discusses Martin's past silence on the ending of the original 'Game of Thrones' series, suggesting his dissatisfaction might extend to 'House of the Dragon.' The author expresses a desire for Martin to provide a detailed critique to help improve the show in the future, hoping for transparency in his feedback despite his ongoing relationship with HBO.

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Keywords

💡House of the Dragon

House of the Dragon is a prequel television series to Game of Thrones, based on George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire novels. The series is set approximately 200 years before the events of Game of Thrones and chronicles the history of House Targaryen. In the script, the show's second season is discussed, with fans expressing dissatisfaction with the season's finale and the showrunners' perceived lack of resources to deliver a satisfying conclusion.

💡A Song of Ice and Fire

A Song of Ice and Fire is a series of epic fantasy novels by American novelist and screenwriter George R. R. Martin. The series is known for its complex characters, political intrigue, and dramatic plot twists. The script discusses the fans' expectations from the television adaptations, such as House of the Dragon, and how they compare to the original source material.

💡Game of Thrones

Game of Thrones is an American fantasy drama television series created by David Benioff and D. B. Weiss for HBO, based on the A Song of Ice and Fire novels by George R. R. Martin. The script mentions the show as a point of comparison for House of the Dragon, highlighting the high standards set by the original series and the fans' disappointment with the prequel's second season.

💡Showrunners

In television, showrunners are the individuals who oversee all aspects of a TV series' production, including writing, directing, and editing. The script discusses the fans' belief that House of the Dragon's second season could have been better if the showrunners had been given more resources, implying that budget constraints may have affected the show's quality.

💡Battle of the Gallet

The Battle of the Gallet is a significant event in George R. R. Martin's Fire & Blood, a book set in the world of A Song of Ice and Fire. The script mentions that fans were expecting to see this battle in the second season of House of the Dragon, but it was not included, possibly due to budget or resource limitations.

💡HBO

HBO (Home Box Office) is an American premium television network owned by Warner Bros. Discovery. It is known for producing high-quality original programming, including Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon. The script discusses HBO's role in financing the series and the fans' concerns that the network may not be providing adequate funding for a faithful adaptation of the source material.

💡George R. R. Martin

George R. R. Martin is an American novelist and screenwriter, best known for his series A Song of Ice and Fire, which serves as the basis for the television series Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon. The script highlights Martin's dissatisfaction with the second season of House of the Dragon and his struggle to balance his work on the TV adaptations with completing his book series.

💡Fire and Blood

Fire & Blood is a historical fiction novel by George R. R. Martin, set in the world of A Song of Ice and Fire, focusing on the history of House Targaryen. The script refers to the book as a source of material that the showrunners of House of the Dragon were expected to adapt, with fans expressing concerns about the show's fidelity to the events and details presented in the book.

💡Winds of Winter

The Winds of Winter is the anticipated sixth novel in George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series. The script mentions Martin's struggle to complete the book amidst his involvement with the television adaptations, suggesting that his focus is divided between his literary and screenwriting responsibilities.

💡Legacy

In the context of the script, 'legacy' refers to the lasting impact or the body of work that an individual leaves behind, often after their death. The discussion about George R. R. Martin's legacy centers on his desire to complete his book series and the potential consequences for his reputation if he does not finish A Song of Ice and Fire, as fans and critics await the conclusion to the story.

Highlights

Fans are divided over the quality of HBO's 'House of the Dragon' season finale.

The showrunners believe the second season could have had a better ending with more resources.

The anticipated 'Battle of the Gallet' and the fall of King's Landing were not filmed due to budget constraints.

HBO may not finance a full season of 'House of the Dragon', indicating potential issues for future seasons.

Author George R. R. Martin expressed dissatisfaction with the second season of 'House of the Dragon'.

Martin is considering whether to focus on his novels or the TV adaptations, highlighting his dilemma.

The author is concerned about his legacy and the impact of the TV shows on his original work.

Martin's involvement in the writer's room is limited, affecting the adaptation's fidelity to the source material.

The show's creators have to balance Martin's input with their own creative freedom.

Martin is still working on 'The Winds of Winter' but is struggling to focus due to his involvement with HBO.

The author's health and age are factors in his ability to complete the 'A Song of Ice and Fire' series.

Martin has yet to comment on specific issues with 'House of the Dragon', leaving fans to speculate.

The video discusses the potential impact of HBO's budget decisions on the quality of 'House of the Dragon'.

The author's silence on the ending of 'Game of Thrones' suggests dissatisfaction with the show's direction.

The video concludes by urging HBO to address the issues raised by fans and the author for the upcoming season.

Transcripts

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as you all know A Song of Ice and Fire

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and Game of Thrones fans are divided

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once again after HBO delivered what many

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fans are considering an underwhelming

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season of House of the Dragon although I

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was mostly satisfied with House of the

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dragon's finale the show obviously fell

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below the high standards we expect to

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see from a major drama series at HBO

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every fan now knows House of the Dragon

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second season would have had a much

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better ending if only the showrunners

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were given enough resources to deliver a

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satisfying season finale now we all have

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to wait until next season before we're

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finally able to see the battle of the

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gallet as you all know we should have

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already seen the battle of the gallet as

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well as the fall of Kings Landing at the

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end of the second season House of the

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Dragon showrunners were not able to film

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those episodes because they were not

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given enough money as of right now it

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looks like House of the Dragon might

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face some of the same issues they did

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during the second season now the

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showrunner has already said HBO no

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longer wants to finance a full season

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it's no secret they're going to need

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either a bigger budget or an extra

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season if they want to Faithfully adapt

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all the major battles and Fire and Blood

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we're going to need someone to step in

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and fix this issue before it's too late

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hopefully the executives will listen to

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all the recent backlash regarding the

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season finale I do believe if all of us

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are loud enough they might actually wake

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up and listen Game of Thrones and A Song

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of Ice and Fire fans are not the only

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ones who feel this way Author George R

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Martin wasn't satisfied with House of

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the Dragon second season either he's

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actually said as much during a recent

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convention in New Mexico as well as his

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not a Blog website earlier this morning

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this now makes the second time this this

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week he said he will reveal his honest

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thoughts about House of the Dragon now

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think most of us were already under the

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assumption that George R Martin wasn't

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happy with House of the Dragon second

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season earlier this week he shared some

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of his thoughts about House of the

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Dragon during a small convention in New

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Mexico unfortunately there is no audio

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or video from the event all we have is a

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description of what he said now

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according to a fan who was there George

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R Martin said House of the Dragon season

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1 was great the second season however

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was um I'm going to have to write a blog

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about that later he said he was starting

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to wonder if he was a fool for caring

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about whether or not the show was good

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or faithful to his Source material he

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said lots of writers usually just sell

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the TV rights and never think about it

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again and are most likely happier than

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he is meanwhile he hasn't been able to

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forget about his shows he wants to see

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them succeed he said he found himself in

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a dilemma on one hand he does want to

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fight for a faithful adaptation of his

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story while on the other hand he

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wrestles with the idea of giving up on

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the show so he can focus on A Song of

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Ice and Fire now although we don't know

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exactly what was said at at the

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convention he did confirm some of this

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during his newest not a blog entry now

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earlier this morning he said I do not

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look forward to the other blogs I need

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to write about everything that's gone

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wrong with House of the Dragon but I

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need to do that too and I will not today

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though now maybe this is only me but it

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sounds like he has a lot of issues with

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the second season I think if it was

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something minor he most likely would

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have said it already what I really want

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to know is will most of the blame fall

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on the writers or HBO's lack of funding

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what does he actually think affected the

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season the most and could some of these

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mistakes have been avoided if he was

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there working with the writers every day

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honestly I think his lack of focus is

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making the shows and his novels suffer

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he doesn't really help out that much

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with House of the dragon and that's why

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the show isn't a direct adaptation of

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Fire and Blood as we all know he's not

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always there in the writer's room to

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make sure they're always following the

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guideline now that's not to say he

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doesn't help out at all he obviously

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helped them a lot in the beginning when

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they were getting the show off the

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ground in fact Ryan Condell said as much

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during one of his interviews at deadline

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he did say George actually helped us a

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lot in the very beginning back when we

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had a small writer room before the show

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was officially green lit generally it's

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George and I in communication I sent him

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everything I sent him outlines I sent

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him scripts I sent him Cuts I sent him

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text messages and I'll even ask him

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things like why did you do this and what

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does this mean he said he's very active

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and reads a lot and gives a lot of

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feedback other times he just sort of

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defers and says go with the gods but as

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as we all know he's a very busy guy it's

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really hard for him to engage with us at

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the pace that we would need him to to

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weigh in on every single little decision

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the show is moving fast but he always

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knows what's going on that's the thing I

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always wanted from the very beginning I

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might not always do exactly the thing he

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wants me to do but we will always talk

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about it we're always going to have the

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discussion and I've honored that so as

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you can see George R Martin does not

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live in the writer room with him as

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they're making the outline for each

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season they're only able to discuss

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things with him mostly via email and

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messages but that's not enough because

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he doesn't help them with everything

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obviously they are hired writers after

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all he should not have to hold their

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hands for everything you want the

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screenwriter to feel he's free to make

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it his own um and too many screenwriters

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do make it their own even if they're

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adapting Dickens or tolane or um

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Shakespeare or whoever you want they

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they decide to make it their own but

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they never make it better because

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usually the people who are making it

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their own are simply not as good as the

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people who wrote it in the first place

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now with that being said the show does

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suffer because he's not always there on

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the other hand the Winds of winner also

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suffers because he's not able to solely

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focus on his writing when he's helping

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HBO develop all these different shows

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he's always working with HBO on some new

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show even if he's not there with them in

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the writer's room one day he might have

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to decide if he wants to finish these

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shows or if he wants to finish A Song of

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Ice and Fire as of right now he's sort

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of half-assing the show and his novel

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because he doesn't actually f focus on

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either one he basically said this

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himself and that's why he's been

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wrestling with the idea of Shifting his

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Focus the website winter has coming

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actually wrote an interesting article

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about this very subject as I said before

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some of the fans who were at the New

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Mexico convention shared what they saw

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and heard we might not have the audio or

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video but we do have secondhand

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information from the fans who were there

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one of the fans who was there States

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George said he was still working on the

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Winds of Winter and that he was really

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stressed out about it and thinking about

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his legacy a lot he was very open and

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honest about how the recent years have

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been stressful and he is easily

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distracted he is not finished with the

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Winds of Winter but he is working on it

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every day as always he is thinking a lot

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about his legacy and whether to focus on

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writing or the TV shows he said he

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visited Jr artan's grave and he felt

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emotional after seeing what all the fans

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Left Behind he said he wants a legacy

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like that he also went on to say his

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novels are like his children but also

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how the Game of Thrones shows are very

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rewarding because you can see your ideas

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come to life

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it honestly makes me feel kind of sad to

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know this is what's on his mind as we

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all know he is roughly 75 years old and

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although we all hate to say it he's not

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in the best of shape unfortunately we

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all know he's not going to be around

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forever and he's reminded of this every

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time one of his friends die even if I

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never made another video I would still

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love to see him finish his writing it's

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no secret his legacy will suffer if he

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doesn't finish A Song of Ice and Fire

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and that's the last thing I want to see

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happen I just don't think he's going to

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be able to finish it himself the only

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way I see him actually finishing A Song

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of Ice and Fire is if he's able to

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release the Winds of Winter within the

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next three or four years as long as he's

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still working on all these different

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shows he's never going to be able to

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focus on ending his story I am also

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anxious to see what he has to say about

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House of the Dragon like he said he

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wants to go into everything that was

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wrong with the second season we already

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know he had some issues with the very

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first episode after he shared his

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thoughts on his website when he released

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that na blog he had only seen the first

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two episodes at that time although he

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was vague he said the only thing about

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the show that is drawing criticism is

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the ending of the blood and chees

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storyline he said he did like the ending

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he thought it was a gut punch especially

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for all the fans who have never read

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Fire and Blood however all the fans who

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did read Fire and Blood well there's a

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lot to be said about that but this is

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not the place for me to say it the

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issues are too complicated somewhere

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down the line I will do a separate blog

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about all the issues raised by Blood and

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cheese and mord the missing there's a

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lot to say now that he has seen the

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whole season I can only assume he had

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more issues with the show as it went on

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every fan wants to know how he feels

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about Nettles is he upset over the fact

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that Damon had were wood Visions does he

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hate the fact that Allison is ready to

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surrender the city was he a fan of the

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make out session with rira and masara

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it's really hard to say what he thinks

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went wrong with the second season I do

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hope he directly addresses all the

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issues whether it be with the writers or

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HBO I'm just not sure how much he will

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say given the fact that he still has

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working relationships with everyone

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after all h HBO still hands him millions

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of dollars to adapt his stories if he

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does actually have an issue with the

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company as a whole will he bite the hand

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that feeds him I don't think he will

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considering he has almost always been

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vague before he still hasn't said much

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about Dan and Dave or how they ended the

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original series now maybe this isn't

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fair to say but I have to assume he

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hated the ending of Game of Thrones

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given the fact that he wanted them to

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make upwards of a dozen Seasons how you

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doing why is it

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ending uh I don't know ask David and Dan

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when they come through

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um we could have gone to 11 12 13

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Seasons but uh they I guess they wanted

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a life uh you wanted it to keep going

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well it it you know if you've read my

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novels you you know there was enough

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material for for more seasons they made

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certain Cuts I think his silence Alone

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says a lot we usually know whenever he

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loves the show or certain episodes

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because he'll often share those thoughts

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on his website when he is silent however

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it leads me to believe he's not happy

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but he doesn't want to say that because

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of his relationship with HBO now I

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actually like most of House of the

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Dragon second season most of the issues

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I have are with the final episode and I

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know they can solve those if HBO gives

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them a bigger budget for now I want to

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wait until he gives his full breakdown

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of the Season before I assume he's

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either mad at House of the Dragons

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writers or HBO's Executives as of right

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now we can only speculate on what that

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might be I just hope he's not vague with

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his thoughts the only way they can fix

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things before seon season 3 is if they

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know exactly what is wrong I hope he

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doesn't hold back because they're more

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likely to listen to him before they

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listen to any of us let me know what all

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of you think down below what are some of

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the issues you think he will address I

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also want to thank displate again for

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sponsoring the video Don't Forget Their

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discount link is down below in my

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description I definitely want to give

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them another shout out because they've

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certainly been a big help now that HBO

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is copyright claiming all of my videos

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once again I want to thank all of you

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for watching another video there's a lot

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more heading your way he I hope all of

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you have a great day I will see you

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again very soon bye

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