David Goldman, Son Sean Look Back On Infamous Abduction Case | TODAY
Summary
TLDRThe video script tells the story of Sean Goldman, who was taken to Brazil by his mother and denied return to the U.S. despite an international treaty. His father, David, fought for five years to bring Sean home, enduring legal battles and personal struggles. The case gained worldwide attention and reached the President. Eventually, in 2009, Sean was returned to David. Now, father and son advocate for other families facing similar abductions, contributing to the Sean and David Goldman International Child Abduction Prevention Act, aiming to prevent such tragedies.
Takeaways
- 🏡 Sean Goldman was taken to Brazil by his mother, Brunia, during a family vacation and never returned to the U.S., sparking an international custody dispute.
- 📜 Despite an international treaty signed by Brazil requiring Sean's return within six weeks, Brazilian courts granted Brunia permanent custody, against the treaty's stipulation.
- 📞 For years, David Goldman had minimal contact with his son, limited to a few phone calls, highlighting the emotional toll of the separation.
- 💔 Brunia's subsequent marriage and death during childbirth further complicated the custody battle, with Brazilian courts temporarily granting custody to her new husband.
- 🌎 The case gained worldwide attention and reached the desk of the U.S. President, demonstrating the case's significance and impact.
- 🏛 In December 2009, after a lengthy legal struggle, Sean's Brazilian relatives were ordered by the country's chief justices to return him to his American father.
- 🎉 David Goldman's victory was celebrated as a 'Christmas miracle,' and he and Sean were flown home on a flight chartered by NBC News.
- 🔄 After reuniting, David and Sean faced the challenge of re-establishing their relationship, overcoming the effects of parental alienation.
- 📚 The Goldman family's story led to the creation of the Sean and David Goldman International Child Abduction and Prevention Act, aimed at preventing similar situations.
- 🤝 David and Sean Goldman are now advocates for families facing international child abduction, using their experience to help others.
- 🎓 Sean, now 19 and taller than his father, plans to study political science at college, a choice influenced by his personal experiences.
Q & A
What was the situation that led to Sean Goldman being taken to Brazil?
-Sean Goldman was taken to Brazil by his mother, Bruna, during a planned family vacation. She never returned to the U.S. and later filed for divorce, which initiated a custody battle.
What international treaty was involved in Sean Goldman's case?
-The case involved the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction, which Brazil had signed. This treaty typically requires the return of abducted children to their country of habitual residence.
Why did the Brazilian courts initially refuse to return Sean to the U.S.?
-The Brazilian courts ruled that Sean should not be separated from his mother and granted her permanent custody, despite the international treaty and David Goldman's demand for a custody hearing in the U.S.
What happened to Sean's mother during the custody dispute?
-Sean's mother, Bruna, later died during childbirth, which led to a further twist in the custody case.
Who was given temporary custody of Sean after his mother's death?
-After Bruna's death, the Brazilian courts gave temporary custody to her new husband, which continued the dispute over Sean's return to the U.S.
How did the situation eventually resolve for Sean and David Goldman?
-In December 2009, the Brazilian Chief Justices ordered Sean's relatives to return him to his American father, David Goldman, marking a victory in their fight.
What is the Sean and David Goldman International Child Abduction and Prevention Act?
-This act, authored by Congressman Smith and signed by President Obama, aims to prevent international child abductions and provides punitive measures against countries that harbor abductors and don't return abducted children.
How has the Goldman family been working to help others after their experience?
-David and Sean Goldman have been advocating for families facing similar situations, using their story to raise awareness and support for the prevention of international child abductions.
What is Sean Goldman's educational plan after high school?
-Sean Goldman plans to attend community college for two years and then transfer to a four-year institution to continue his education.
What subject is Sean Goldman interested in studying in college, and how is it related to his personal experiences?
-Sean is interested in studying political science, a choice influenced by his experiences and the desire to understand and potentially influence policies related to child abduction.
How has the relationship between David and Sean Goldman evolved since being reunited?
-Their relationship has evolved positively, with some initial challenges due to parental alienation. They have worked through these issues and are now enjoying their time together as father and son.
Outlines
🏡 International Child Abduction and Reunification
The first paragraph details the story of Sean Goldman, who was taken to Brazil by his mother, Brunia, during a family vacation and never returned to the U.S. Despite an international treaty and court orders, Sean was kept in Brazil due to local court rulings favoring his mother's custody. The narrative describes the struggle of his father, David Goldman, who fought for five years to bring his son back, experiencing the pain of limited contact and the tragic death of Brunia during childbirth. Eventually, in a landmark case that reached the President, Sean was returned to the U.S. in 2009, and the father-son duo began advocating for other families facing similar abduction issues, leading to the Sean and David Goldman International Child Abduction and Prevention Act.
📚 Advocacy and Education: A Father and Son's Journey
The second paragraph focuses on the aftermath of the Goldman family's ordeal and their current efforts to assist others in preventing international child abductions. It highlights the creation of a law, authored by Congressman Smith and signed by President Obama, which marks its fifth anniversary. The law aims to deter abductions by imposing punitive measures on countries that fail to return abducted children, including public shaming and potentially withholding financial assistance. Sean, now 19 and preparing for college, discusses his plans to study political science, a choice influenced by his experiences. The paragraph concludes with reflections on their family's journey, their hopes for Sean's future, and the bittersweet transition to him becoming independent.
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Keywords
💡International Child Abduction
💡Custody Battle
💡Parental Alienation
💡Divorce
💡International Treaty
💡Permanent Custody
💡Legal Battle
💡Childbirth
💡International Outrage
💡Reunification
💡Advocacy
Highlights
Sean Goldman's mother took him to Brazil and never returned, leading to a high-profile international custody battle.
The case reached the President's desk and became a worldwide headline, highlighting the complexities of international abduction cases.
Sean's father, David Goldman, fought for five years to bring his son back to the U.S., demonstrating unwavering determination.
An international treaty signed by Brazil required the return of Sean within six weeks, but Brazilian courts overruled this, granting the mother permanent custody.
David was unable to see his son for years, maintaining contact only through a few phone calls.
Sean's mother later remarried and introduced her new husband as Sean's father, complicating the custody issue further.
Tragically, Sean's mother died during childbirth, leading to a shocking twist in the custody battle.
Brazilian courts temporarily granted custody to the mother's new husband, continuing the struggle for Sean's return.
The case sparked international outrage and led to public demonstrations calling for 'Bring Sean Home!'
In December 2009, Brazil's Chief Justices ordered Sean's return to his American father, marking a victory for David Goldman.
David and Sean Goldman flew back to the U.S. on a flight chartered by NBC News, symbolizing a new beginning.
Five years after the flight, Sean was living with his father in New Jersey, adjusting well to the change and expressing happiness.
David and Sean Goldman are now working to help other families facing similar international child abduction issues.
The Sean and David Goldman International Child Abduction and Prevention Act was signed, providing more legal tools to prevent abductions.
The Act includes punitive measures against countries that harbor abductors and fail to return abducted children.
Sean is now 19, taller than his father, and preparing to attend college, studying political science influenced by his experiences.
The Goldmans reflect on the journey, acknowledging the sadness and challenges, but also the positive impact they can have helping others.
David Goldman discusses the concept of parental alienation and its effects on children in custody battles.
Sean shares his perspective on losing his mother and the complexities of maintaining relationships with relatives involved in the case.
Transcripts
HIS MOTHER TOOK HIM TO BRAZIL, HER HOME COUNTRY, AND NEVER
HER HOME COUNTRY, AND NEVER RETURNED.
RETURNED. AN ADEDUCTION CASE THAT MADE
AN ADEDUCTION CASE THAT MADE WORLDWIDE HEADLINES AND
WORLDWIDE HEADLINES AND EVENTUALLY REACHED THE DESK THE
EVENTUALLY REACHED THE DESK THE PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. WE WILL TALK TO SEAN AND DAVID
WE WILL TALK TO SEAN AND DAVID IN A MORNING.
IN A MORNING. FIRST THEIR STORY.
FIRST THEIR STORY. >> THIS IS SO WRONG.
>> THIS IS SO WRONG. HE’S GOT TO COME HOME.
HE’S GOT TO COME HOME. >> Reporter: FOR FIVE YEARS, HE
>> Reporter: FOR FIVE YEARS, HE NEVER GAVE UP.
NEVER GAVE UP. >> WE WILL NEVER STOP, EVER.
>> WE WILL NEVER STOP, EVER. >> Reporter: THE FIGHT GAK IN
>> Reporter: THE FIGHT GAK IN 2004 WHEN HIS MOTHER BRUNIA,
2004 WHEN HIS MOTHER BRUNIA, WHOCHS FROM BRAZIL, TOOK HER ON
WHOCHS FROM BRAZIL, TOOK HER ON A PLANNED FAMILY VACATION TO HER
A PLANNED FAMILY VACATION TO HER HOME COUNTRY BUT NEVER RETURNED
HOME COUNTRY BUT NEVER RETURNED HOME AGAIN.
HOME AGAIN. BRUNIA ASKED FOR A DIVORCE AND
BRUNIA ASKED FOR A DIVORCE AND DAVID FILED A COURT ORDER
DAVID FILED A COURT ORDER DEMANDING SEAN BE RETURNED TO
DEMANDING SEAN BE RETURNED TO THE U.S. FOR A CUSTODY HEARING.
THE U.S. FOR A CUSTODY HEARING. AN INTERNATIONAL TREATY WHICH
AN INTERNATIONAL TREATY WHICH BRAZIL SIGNED REQUIRED THE
BRAZIL SIGNED REQUIRED THE COUNTRY TO SEND SEAN BACK WITHIN
COUNTRY TO SEND SEAN BACK WITHIN SIX WEEKS BUT THE BRAZILIAN
SIX WEEKS BUT THE BRAZILIAN COURTS RULED SEAN SHOULDN’T BE
COURTS RULED SEAN SHOULDN’T BE SEPARATED FROM HIS MOTHER AND
SEPARATED FROM HIS MOTHER AND GAVE HER PERMANENT CUSTODY.
GAVE HER PERMANENT CUSTODY. >> WHY WON’T THEY JUST LET ME GO
>> WHY WON’T THEY JUST LET ME GO HOME WITH HIM?
HOME WITH HIM? >> Reporter: FOR YEARS DAVID
>> Reporter: FOR YEARS DAVID DIDN’T SEE HIS SON, JUST A FEW
DIDN’T SEE HIS SON, JUST A FEW PHONE CALLS.
PHONE CALLS. >> HEY, SEAN!
>> HEY, SEAN! >> Reporter: AND THREE YEARS
>> Reporter: AND THREE YEARS LATER.
LATER. >> MY MOM MARRIED ANOTHER PERSON
>> MY MOM MARRIED ANOTHER PERSON AND SAID THIS IS YOUR DAD.
AND SAID THIS IS YOUR DAD. >> Reporter: SEAN’S MOTHER LATER
>> Reporter: SEAN’S MOTHER LATER DIED DURING CHILDBIRTH.
DIED DURING CHILDBIRTH. DAVID RUSHED TO BE WITH HIS SON
DAVID RUSHED TO BE WITH HIS SON BUT IN A SHOCKING TWIST, THE
BUT IN A SHOCKING TWIST, THE BRAZILIAN COURTS GAVE TEMPORARY
BRAZILIAN COURTS GAVE TEMPORARY CUSTODY TO THE MOTHER’S NEW
CUSTODY TO THE MOTHER’S NEW HUSBAND.
HUSBAND. >> THERE’S NO ACCOUNTANT ON
>> THERE’S NO ACCOUNTANT ON BRAZIL FOR KIDNAPPING MY CHILD.
BRAZIL FOR KIDNAPPING MY CHILD. >> Reporter: THE FIGHT FOR SEAN
>> Reporter: THE FIGHT FOR SEAN CONTINUED, SPARKING AN
CONTINUED, SPARKING AN INTERNATIONAL OUTRAGE.
INTERNATIONAL OUTRAGE. >> BRING SEAN HOME!
>> BRING SEAN HOME! >> Reporter: THEN FINALLY IN
>> Reporter: THEN FINALLY IN DECEMBER OF 2009, RELEASE.
DECEMBER OF 2009, RELEASE. SEAN’S BRAZILIAN RELATIVES WERE
SEAN’S BRAZILIAN RELATIVES WERE ORDERED BY THE COUNTRY’S CHIEF
ORDERED BY THE COUNTRY’S CHIEF JUSTICES TO RETURN HIM TO HIS
JUSTICES TO RETURN HIM TO HIS AMERICAN FATHER IMMEDIATELY.
AMERICAN FATHER IMMEDIATELY. DAVID WON.
DAVID WON. >> IT’S LIKE A CHRISTMAS
>> IT’S LIKE A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE.
MIRACLE. >> Reporter: DAVID AND SEAN FLEW
>> Reporter: DAVID AND SEAN FLEW HOME TOGETHER ON A FLIGHT
HOME TOGETHER ON A FLIGHT CHARTERED BY NBC NEWS.
CHARTERED BY NBC NEWS. >> MY LITTLE BOY IS FIVE FEET
>> MY LITTLE BOY IS FIVE FEET AWAY, SOUND TO SLEEP, PEACEFUL.
AWAY, SOUND TO SLEEP, PEACEFUL. WE’RE ON OUR WAY.
WE’RE ON OUR WAY. >> Reporter: FIVE YEARS AFTER
>> Reporter: FIVE YEARS AFTER THAT FLIGHT, SEAN WAS DRIVING,
THAT FLIGHT, SEAN WAS DRIVING, LIVING WITH HIS DAD IN NEW
LIVING WITH HIS DAD IN NEW JERSEY.
JERSEY. >> THE CHANGE WAS GOOD, AND I’M
>> THE CHANGE WAS GOOD, AND I’M HAPPY.
HAPPY. >> Reporter: AND NOW THE FATHER
>> Reporter: AND NOW THE FATHER AND SON ARE WORKING TO HELP
AND SON ARE WORKING TO HELP OTHER FAMILIES.
OTHER FAMILIES. >> THE SEAN AND DAVID GOLDMAN
>> THE SEAN AND DAVID GOLDMAN INTERNATIONAL CHILD ABDUCTION
INTERNATIONAL CHILD ABDUCTION AND PREVENTION ACT --
AND PREVENTION ACT -- >> Reporter: AS THEY MARK A NEW
>> Reporter: AS THEY MARK A NEW MILESTONE TOGETHER.
MILESTONE TOGETHER. DAVID AND SEAN GOLDMAN ARE WITH
DAVID AND SEAN GOLDMAN ARE WITH US.
US. GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING. MOW ARE YOU DOING?
MOW ARE YOU DOING? >> IS IT HARD TO LOOK BACK, JUST
>> IS IT HARD TO LOOK BACK, JUST SPEND THOSE FEW MINUTES AND
SPEND THOSE FEW MINUTES AND SEEING THOSE IMAGES?
SEEING THOSE IMAGES? >> YEAH, IT BRINGS SOME MEMORIES
>> YEAH, IT BRINGS SOME MEMORIES UP, DEFINITELY.
UP, DEFINITELY. BUT IT’S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO
BUT IT’S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE.
IN ORDER TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE. >> YEAH, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE
>> YEAH, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON HELPING OTHERS
REALLY FOCUSED ON HELPING OTHERS WHO MIGHT FIND THEMSELVES IN
WHO MIGHT FIND THEMSELVES IN THAT SITUATION.
THAT SITUATION. DAVID, WE HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW
DAVID, WE HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW YOU OVER THE YEARS.
YOU OVER THE YEARS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE IMAGES
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE IMAGES AND YOU THINK ABOUT THAT FIGHT
AND YOU THINK ABOUT THAT FIGHT THAT YOU WENT THROUGH.
THAT YOU WENT THROUGH. >> IT STIRS IT UP.
>> IT STIRS IT UP. IT BRINGS A LOT OF SADNESS AND
IT BRINGS A LOT OF SADNESS AND IT WAS A TOUGH JOURNEY.
IT WAS A TOUGH JOURNEY. IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT.
IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT. AND OUR OUTCOME WAS ONE OF THE
AND OUR OUTCOME WAS ONE OF THE POSITIVE, ONE OF THE FEW SUCCESS
POSITIVE, ONE OF THE FEW SUCCESS STORIES AND THAT’S WHY WE’RE
STORIES AND THAT’S WHY WE’RE HERE.
HERE. WE LOOK FORWARD.
WE LOOK FORWARD. THE SADNESS AND THE PAST IS
THE SADNESS AND THE PAST IS GOING TO BE WITH US A LIFETIME
GOING TO BE WITH US A LIFETIME BUT THERE’S GOOD THINGS TO
BUT THERE’S GOOD THINGS TO ACCOMPLISH.
ACCOMPLISH. >> YOU’VE BEEN TOGETHER TEN
>> YOU’VE BEEN TOGETHER TEN YEARS NOW AND IT’S HARD TO
YEARS NOW AND IT’S HARD TO IMAGINE THE TIME THAT YOU LOST.
IMAGINE THE TIME THAT YOU LOST. I’M SURE IT’S ON YOUR MIND.
I’M SURE IT’S ON YOUR MIND. BUT YOU DON’T WANT TO FOCUS ON
BUT YOU DON’T WANT TO FOCUS ON IT TOO MUCH.
IT TOO MUCH. BUT HOW WAS IT IN THOSE EARLY
BUT HOW WAS IT IN THOSE EARLY YEARS?
YEARS? GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER
GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER AGAIN.
AGAIN. >> IT WAS DEFINITELY A LITTLE
>> IT WAS DEFINITELY A LITTLE HARD AT FIRST.
HARD AT FIRST. BUT ONCE I KIND OF GOT OVER THE
BUT ONCE I KIND OF GOT OVER THE WHOLE PARENTAL ALIENATION ASPECT
WHOLE PARENTAL ALIENATION ASPECT OF THINGS --
OF THINGS -- >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? >> WELL, WHEN THIS HAPPENS IN
>> WELL, WHEN THIS HAPPENS IN REGULAR CUSTODY BATTLES AND
REGULAR CUSTODY BATTLES AND STUFF TOO.
STUFF TOO. ANY TIME WHEN A PARENT IS ALONE
ANY TIME WHEN A PARENT IS ALONE WITH A CHILD WITHOUT THE OTHER
WITH A CHILD WITHOUT THE OTHER PARENT THERE AND THERE’S SOME
PARENT THERE AND THERE’S SOME SORT OF MIX-UP AND THEY’RE GOING
SORT OF MIX-UP AND THEY’RE GOING TO BE JUST, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO
TO BE JUST, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO SKEW THE CHILD’S MIND IN ORDER
SKEW THE CHILD’S MIND IN ORDER TO LIKE ALIENATE THE PARENT,
TO LIKE ALIENATE THE PARENT, MAKE THEM A BAD PERSON.
MAKE THEM A BAD PERSON. >> YOU PROBABLY WEREN’T SURE AT
>> YOU PROBABLY WEREN’T SURE AT FIRST IF YOU COULD TRUST YOUR
FIRST IF YOU COULD TRUST YOUR DAD.
DAD. >> YEAH, I WASN’T EVEN CALLING
>> YEAH, I WASN’T EVEN CALLING HIM DAD.
HIM DAD. >> DID YOU EVER -- EITHER ONE OF
>> DID YOU EVER -- EITHER ONE OF YOU GET AN ANSWER THAT MADE
YOU GET AN ANSWER THAT MADE SENSE TO YOU ABOUT HOW THIS
SENSE TO YOU ABOUT HOW THIS HAPPENED, HOW IT IS THAT YOUR
HAPPENED, HOW IT IS THAT YOUR FORMER WIFE BRUNA TOOK SEAN TO
FORMER WIFE BRUNA TOOK SEAN TO BRAZIL?
BRAZIL? >> SHE JUST DECIDED OUR LOVE
>> SHE JUST DECIDED OUR LOVE AFFAIR WAS OVER AND SHE WANTED
AFFAIR WAS OVER AND SHE WANTED TO LIVE IN BRAZIL.
TO LIVE IN BRAZIL. THAT WAS HER WORDS TO ME.
THAT WAS HER WORDS TO ME. AND IF I EVER WANTED TO SEE SEAN
AND IF I EVER WANTED TO SEE SEAN AGAIN I NEEDED TO COME DOWN AND
AGAIN I NEEDED TO COME DOWN AND SIGN PAPERS HER ATTORNEY HAD
SIGN PAPERS HER ATTORNEY HAD DRAWN UP.
DRAWN UP. AND IF I DIDN’T MEET HER
AND IF I DIDN’T MEET HER DEMANDS, I WOULD NEVER SEE SEAN
DEMANDS, I WOULD NEVER SEE SEAN AGAIN ENSPEND ALL OF MY MONEY
AGAIN ENSPEND ALL OF MY MONEY TRYING.
TRYING. >> SEAN, I KNOW YOU HAD
>> SEAN, I KNOW YOU HAD RELATIVES THERE, RELATIVES OF
RELATIVES THERE, RELATIVES OF YOUR MOM.
YOUR MOM. IT’S HARD TO LOSE YOUR MOM NO
IT’S HARD TO LOSE YOUR MOM NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES
MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE.
ARE. >> YEAH, DEFINITELY.
>> YEAH, DEFINITELY. >> ARE YOU ABLE TO KEEP IN TOUCH
>> ARE YOU ABLE TO KEEP IN TOUCH WITH THOSE RELATIVES, OR IS THAT
WITH THOSE RELATIVES, OR IS THAT JUST A BRIDGE TOO FAR?
JUST A BRIDGE TOO FAR? >> I WOULD IF I WOULD HAVE HAD
>> I WOULD IF I WOULD HAVE HAD THE NEED TO OR THE WANT TO BUT,
THE NEED TO OR THE WANT TO BUT, YOU KNOW, I WAS KEEPING IN
YOU KNOW, I WAS KEEPING IN CONTACT, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE IT
CONTACT, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE IT WASN’T ABOUT ME BECAUSE THEY
WASN’T ABOUT ME BECAUSE THEY WERE TELLING THE PRESS IN BRAZIL
WERE TELLING THE PRESS IN BRAZIL THAT THEY WEREN’T KEEPING IN
THAT THEY WEREN’T KEEPING IN CONTACT WITH ME.
CONTACT WITH ME. SO IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT I
SO IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT I DIDN’T WANT TO BE A PART OF.
DIDN’T WANT TO BE A PART OF. >> TELL ME ABOUT WHAT YOU’RE
>> TELL ME ABOUT WHAT YOU’RE DOING NOW.
DOING NOW. YOU REALLY WANT TO HELP OTHER
YOU REALLY WANT TO HELP OTHER FAMILIES AND THIS IS ONE OF THE
FAMILIES AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU’RE HERE TALKING
REASONS WHY YOU’RE HERE TALKING ABOUT THESE PAINFUL THINGS.
ABOUT THESE PAINFUL THINGS. >> WE CAN BE A VOICE, EXACTLY.
>> WE CAN BE A VOICE, EXACTLY. WE’RE A SUCCESS STORY.
WE’RE A SUCCESS STORY. IN THE LAST DECADE THERE’S
IN THE LAST DECADE THERE’S ALMOST 12,000 PARENTAL CHILD
ALMOST 12,000 PARENTAL CHILD ABDUCTIONS SO WE HAD THIS LAW
ABDUCTIONS SO WE HAD THIS LAW AUTHORED BY CONGRESSMAN SMITH,
AUTHORED BY CONGRESSMAN SMITH, SIGNED BY PRESIDENT OBAMA, AND
SIGNED BY PRESIDENT OBAMA, AND TODAY IS THE FIFTH ANNIVERSARY,
TODAY IS THE FIFTH ANNIVERSARY, THE FIFTH YEAR ANNIVERSARY HE
THE FIFTH YEAR ANNIVERSARY HE SIGNED IT.
SIGNED IT. AND IT’S ALMOST LIKE A SISTER OR
AND IT’S ALMOST LIKE A SISTER OR BIG BROTHER TO THE HATE
BIG BROTHER TO THE HATE CONVENTION, WHICH IS IS ON THE
CONVENTION, WHICH IS IS ON THE CIVIL ASPECTS, AND THIS LAW
CIVIL ASPECTS, AND THIS LAW GIVES MORE TEETH.
GIVES MORE TEETH. IT COULD DO INITIALLY PUT A
IT COULD DO INITIALLY PUT A DeMAR, PUBLIC NOTICE TO SHAMING
DeMAR, PUBLIC NOTICE TO SHAMING THE COUNTRY.
THE COUNTRY. THE ABDUCTORS WILL BE BAD.
THE ABDUCTORS WILL BE BAD. WHEN THE COUNTRIES HARBOR THESE
WHEN THE COUNTRIES HARBOR THESE ABDUCTORS AND DON’T RETURN THEM
ABDUCTORS AND DON’T RETURN THEM AND DON’T FOLLOW THE LAW, WE
AND DON’T FOLLOW THE LAW, WE NEED TO SAY WE WANT OUR AMERICAN
NEED TO SAY WE WANT OUR AMERICAN CHILDREN BACK.
CHILDREN BACK. SO THIS LAW ACTUALLY HAS SOME
SO THIS LAW ACTUALLY HAS SOME PUNITIVE MEASURES, ALL THE WAY
PUNITIVE MEASURES, ALL THE WAY UP TO HOLDING FINANCIAL
UP TO HOLDING FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO A LOT OF THESE
ASSISTANCE TO A LOT OF THESE COUNTRIES.
COUNTRIES. WILL WE GIVE MILLIONS AND
WILL WE GIVE MILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO, SEND OUR
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO, SEND OUR KIDS HOME.
KIDS HOME. >> I’M SURE YOU WOULD LIKE TO
>> I’M SURE YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BENEFIT OF A LAW LIKE
HAVE A BENEFIT OF A LAW LIKE THAT WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH THIS
THAT WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH THIS BATTLE.
BATTLE. IN JUST THE FEW MINUTES WE HAVE
IN JUST THE FEW MINUTES WE HAVE LEFT, I KNOW PEOPLE WILL WANT TO
LEFT, I KNOW PEOPLE WILL WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU’RE DOING.
KNOW HOW YOU’RE DOING. YOU’RE 19 NOW.
YOU’RE 19 NOW. YOU’RE TALLER THAN YOUR DAD.
YOU’RE TALLER THAN YOUR DAD. YOU HEAD OFF TO COLLEGE?
YOU HEAD OFF TO COLLEGE? >> I’M ACTUALLY DOING TWO YEARS
>> I’M ACTUALLY DOING TWO YEARS AT COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND GOING
AT COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND GOING TO GO OFF TO A FOUR-YEAR AFTER
TO GO OFF TO A FOUR-YEAR AFTER THAT.
THAT. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. WILL IT BE HARD TO BE AN
WILL IT BE HARD TO BE AN EMPTY-NESTER?
EMPTY-NESTER? >> YOU KNOW, IT WILL.
>> YOU KNOW, IT WILL. FOR HIS PERSONAL GROWTH I’M SURE
FOR HIS PERSONAL GROWTH I’M SURE IT’S GOOD.
IT’S GOOD. IN A WAY I’M GLAD HE’S GOING TO
IN A WAY I’M GLAD HE’S GOING TO A JUNIOR COLLEGE SO WE HAVE MORE
A JUNIOR COLLEGE SO WE HAVE MORE TIME TO ENJOY THE RIVER AND
TIME TO ENJOY THE RIVER AND THINGS BUT OUR LOVE AS A PARENT
THINGS BUT OUR LOVE AS A PARENT IS HOPEFULLY HAVE OUR CHILDREN
IS HOPEFULLY HAVE OUR CHILDREN LEAVE US AT ONE TIME AND BE ON
LEAVE US AT ONE TIME AND BE ON THEIR OWN PATH AND JUST BE
THEIR OWN PATH AND JUST BE HAPPY.
HAPPY. >> WHAT DO YOU WANT TO STUDY?
>> WHAT DO YOU WANT TO STUDY? >> PROBABLY POLITICAL SCIENCE.
>> PROBABLY POLITICAL SCIENCE. >> IS THAT AFFECTED BY
>> IS THAT AFFECTED BY EVERYTHING YOU WENT THROUGH?
EVERYTHING YOU WENT THROUGH? >> DEFINITELY.
>> DEFINITELY. IT SPARKED A LOT OF INTEREST AND
IT SPARKED A LOT OF INTEREST AND OTHER STUFF FOR ME.
OTHER STUFF FOR ME. >> IT’S SO NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE
>> IT’S SO NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE AND CATCH UP WITH YOU.
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