#72: Why the Wrestling in Jiu Jitsu is so Low Level

Summary

The speaker emphasizes the importance of learning wrestling techniques from experienced practitioners rather than just watching and studying. They critique the ineffectiveness of common Jiu-Jitsu takedown methods, such as collar ties, due to poor stances and lack of understanding of wrestling fundamentals like push-pull strategy. The video script calls for a better integration of wrestling skills into Jiu-Jitsu, recommending learning from skilled wrestlers who can teach effective systems, not just moves, for improved grappling and takedown techniques.

Takeaways

• 🤼‍♂️ The speaker emphasizes the importance of learning wrestling techniques from those who have actually practiced and competed in wrestling, rather than just watching instructionals or studying the sport.
• 🎥 The speaker criticizes the common practice in Jiu-Jitsu of watching wrestling films without the practical experience to back it up, comparing it to watching Kung Fu films and thinking it makes one an expert.
• 🏆 The speaker highlights his own credentials, having started wrestling in 1991 and coached at various levels, including working under accomplished coaches and learning from their expertise.
• 🤔 The speaker discusses the misconception that one cannot learn wrestling effectively if they start later in life, using his own experience starting Judo in adulthood as a counterargument.
• 🔄 The speaker points out fundamental flaws in Jiu-Jitsu practitioners' wrestling techniques, particularly the lack of understanding of proper stances and hand fighting strategies that align with those stances.
• 📚 He stresses the need for a good wrestling foundation to improve Jiu-Jitsu, especially in controlling an opponent's position and executing effective takedowns.
• 🚫 The speaker argues against the prevalent but ineffective practice of reaching with the same arm and leg in wrestling, showing how it can be easily exploited.
• 🤝 He criticizes the teaching of 50-50 hand grips in Jiu-Jitsu, advocating for more traditional and effective wrestling grips that lead to better control and positioning.
• 👊 The speaker calls for a revision in the way wrestling is taught within Jiu-Jitsu, advocating for input from experienced wrestlers to improve the integration of wrestling techniques.
• 🏌️‍♂️ The speaker suggests that even the best Jiu-Jitsu practitioners can benefit from a strong wrestling game, citing examples of high-level competitors who successfully incorporate wrestling into their Jiu-Jitsu.
• 📈 Finally, the speaker recommends learning from wrestlers who are also proficient in Jiu-Jitsu to gain a comprehensive understanding of both sports and to elevate one's grappling skills.

Q & A

What is the main point the speaker is trying to make about wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu?

The speaker emphasizes that to improve in wrestling, especially within the context of Jiu-Jitsu, one must learn from those who have actual wrestling experience and understand the fundamentals, rather than just watching and trying to mimic without the proper knowledge.

Why does the speaker believe that watching wrestling matches does not make someone an expert?

The speaker compares it to watching Kung Fu films and not becoming a Kung Fu expert. Observing the sport is not the same as having the physical and technical skills required to perform and excel in it.

What does the speaker suggest is a fundamental problem in Jiu-Jitsu regarding wrestling techniques?

The speaker identifies that many Jiu-Jitsu practitioners use upright stances which are ineffective for wrestling techniques that require a more forward-leaning or specific stance to be successful.

What is the speaker's view on the effectiveness of collar ties in Jiu-Jitsu?

The speaker criticizes the common practice of collar ties in Jiu-Jitsu, stating that they are often ineffective due to the upright stance of practitioners and lack of proper hand fighting strategy.

Why does the speaker argue that Jiu-Jitsu practitioners should learn proper wrestling techniques?

The speaker argues that learning proper wrestling techniques from experienced wrestlers can significantly improve a Jiu-Jitsu practitioner's ability to take control of a match, especially in terms of takedowns and ground positioning.

What issue does the speaker see with the way Jiu-Jitsu is often taught regarding wrestling moves?

The speaker criticizes that Jiu-Jitsu is often taught by instructors who have no wrestling experience, leading to ineffective and inefficient wrestling techniques being taught and practiced.

What does the speaker suggest is a common mistake made by Jiu-Jitsu practitioners when attempting takedowns?

The speaker suggests that reaching with the same arm and leg simultaneously is a common and ineffective mistake, as it leads to poor positioning and an easy opportunity for the opponent to defend or counter.

What advice does the speaker give to Jiu-Jitsu practitioners looking to improve their wrestling skills?

The speaker advises Jiu-Jitsu practitioners to learn from experienced wrestlers, to focus on fundamental wrestling skills, and to understand how to chain wrestle to different moves effectively.

Why does the speaker believe that the argument 'you can't use wrestling in Jiu-Jitsu' is invalid?

The speaker points out that the argument is invalid because successful wrestlers and coaches, like John Danaher, have incorporated wrestling techniques into their Jiu-Jitsu game, proving that wrestling can be effectively used in Jiu-Jitsu.

What does the speaker think about the teaching of 50-50 hand grips in Jiu-Jitsu?

The speaker criticizes the teaching of 50-50 hand grips in Jiu-Jitsu as being ineffective and leading to a lack of progress in hand fighting, suggesting that it does not lead to successful takedowns or control.

What is the speaker's opinion on the importance of stance in Jiu-Jitsu wrestling techniques?

The speaker believes that stance is crucial in Jiu-Jitsu wrestling techniques, as it directly impacts the effectiveness of hand fighting and takedown attempts, advocating for a stance that allows for better control and positioning.

Outlines

00:00

🎥 The Importance of Learning from Experienced Wrestlers

The speaker emphasizes the value of learning wrestling techniques from those who have practical experience, rather than just theoretical knowledge. They refute the idea that watching wrestling makes someone an expert, drawing a parallel to watching Kung Fu films not making someone a Kung Fu master. The speaker, a wrestling coach since 1991, discusses their journey from wrestling to coaching and then to Jiu-Jitsu, highlighting the importance of stance and control in both sports. They express their intention to help people improve in these areas through their YouTube channel and instructional content.

05:01

🤼‍♂️ Wrestling Fundamentals in Jiu-Jitsu: The Problem with Upright Stances

This paragraph delves into the shortcomings of Jiu-Jitsu practitioners using wrestling moves without proper understanding. The speaker criticizes the common upright stance in Jiu-Jitsu, which is ill-suited for effective wrestling techniques such as collar ties. They explain how spinal alignment and stance affect the success of takedowns and argue that Jiu-Jitsu players often lack the basic understanding of wrestling principles, which are essential for controlling opponents on the ground. The speaker also addresses the inefficiency of prolonged collar tie battles in Jiu-Jitsu, contrasting them with the quick takedowns in traditional wrestling.

10:01

📚 The Misconception of Teaching Wrestling by Non-Wrestlers

The speaker discusses the issue of Jiu-Jitsu instructors teaching wrestling techniques without having a wrestling background. They compare this to the outrage that would ensue if a wrestler or judoka attempted to teach wrestling without experience in that discipline. The paragraph highlights the inconsistency in the grappling community where Jiu-Jitsu practitioners are often taught wrestling by coaches with no wrestling experience, leading to ineffective techniques. The speaker also criticizes the idea that wrestling is not applicable to Jiu-Jitsu, pointing out that many wrestling moves are still used in the sport.

15:02

🤷‍♂️ The Ineffectiveness of Common Jiu-Jitsu Wrestling Techniques

In this paragraph, the speaker points out the ineffectiveness of certain wrestling techniques as taught in Jiu-Jitsu, such as the 50-50 hand grip position. They argue that these techniques do not work in practice and are not used in actual wrestling competitions. The speaker advises against using these techniques and suggests that good head position and body isolation are more effective strategies. They also discuss the importance of understanding the principles of underhook and overhook grips in wrestling and how they apply to Jiu-Jitsu.

20:04

🏆 The Need for Cross-Disciplinary Learning in Wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu

The speaker stresses the importance of learning wrestling fundamentals from qualified sources to improve one's Jiu-Jitsu game. They argue that good wrestling skills can greatly enhance a Jiu-Jitsu practitioner's ability to control a match and take the fight to the ground effectively. The speaker also emphasizes the need for wrestlers to understand Jiu-Jitsu to avoid ending up in disadvantageous positions after a takedown. They mention several wrestlers who are successful in Jiu-Jitsu and advocate learning from those with legitimate wrestling experience.

25:04

🛑 The Overlooked Importance of Push-Pull Techniques in Wrestling

This paragraph focuses on the push-pull technique in wrestling, which the speaker believes is not being taught correctly by Jiu-Jitsu coaches. They explain the classic wrestling concept of push-pull, emphasizing it's not about shaking an opponent but about creating an opportunity for takedowns through proper timing and body positioning. The speaker criticizes the common misunderstanding of this technique in Jiu-Jitsu and calls for a return to classic wrestling principles for effective takedowns.

📈 The Path to Effective Wrestling in Jiu-Jitsu: Learning from the Right Sources

The speaker concludes by reiterating the importance of learning wrestling from those who have competed in it. They suggest that watching instructional videos and understanding the systems behind the moves are crucial for Jiu-Jitsu practitioners to improve their wrestling skills. The speaker also recommends several wrestlers known for their takedown techniques and their success in Jiu-Jitsu, advocating for a more classical approach to wrestling instruction within the Jiu-Jitsu community.

Keywords

💡Wrestling

Wrestling, as discussed in the video, is a combat sport involving grappling-type techniques such as clinching, throwing, and pinning. It is central to the video's theme, as the speaker emphasizes the importance of learning proper wrestling techniques to improve in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ). The script mentions various styles of wrestling, such as folkstyle and Greco-Roman, and how they relate to BJJ.

💡Instructionals

Instructionals refer to educational materials or demonstrations that teach a specific skill or technique. In the context of the video, the speaker critiques the instructionals he has watched, arguing that they do not effectively teach wrestling techniques that are applicable to BJJ, thus highlighting the need for proper guidance from experienced wrestlers.

💡Stance

Stance in wrestling and BJJ refers to the body's position and posture during a match. The video emphasizes the importance of a proper stance for controlling opponents and executing takedowns. The speaker criticizes the upright stance often seen in BJJ, advocating for a more bent-knee, powerful position akin to that used in wrestling.

💡Takedown

A takedown in wrestling and BJJ is a move used to bring an opponent to the ground, typically initiating ground fighting. The script discusses the ineffectiveness of certain takedown techniques taught in BJJ and the need for wrestlers to teach BJJ practitioners the correct way to perform takedowns for better control on the ground.

💡Hand Fighting

Hand fighting in wrestling and BJJ involves the use of hands to maintain or gain control over an opponent's body, often to set up takedowns or submissions. The video criticizes common hand fighting techniques in BJJ, such as the 50-50 palm-to-palm grip, as ineffective and suggests that techniques from wrestling could be more beneficial.

💡Control

Control in the context of wrestling and BJJ means dominating an opponent's position to dictate the course of the match. The speaker argues that BJJ practitioners often lack the control needed in stand-up wrestling, which is crucial for effectively transitioning to ground fighting and maintaining a dominant position.

💡Jiu-Jitsu

Jiu-Jitsu, specifically Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ), is a martial art focused on ground fighting and submission holds. The video discusses the shortcomings of BJJ practitioners' wrestling skills and how integrating better wrestling techniques can enhance BJJ performance, especially in takedowns and ground control.

💡Coaching

Coaching in the video refers to the guidance and instruction given to athletes to improve their skills. The speaker, who has a background in coaching wrestling, emphasizes his experience and the importance of learning from qualified coaches, particularly those with a wrestling background, to improve in BJJ.

💡Position

Position in wrestling and BJJ is the spatial arrangement of the body in relation to an opponent. The video stresses the importance of maintaining a powerful position during takedowns and on the ground. The speaker criticizes the lack of positional awareness in BJJ and suggests learning from wrestling to improve.

💡Push-Pull

Push-Pull is a wrestling concept referring to the strategic application of force to move an opponent off balance before executing a takedown. The video criticizes the misunderstanding and misuse of the push-pull technique in BJJ, advocating for a classic wrestling approach taught by experienced wrestlers.

💡Competition

Competition in this context refers to martial arts contests or matches. The speaker discusses the importance of learning from those who have competed successfully in wrestling, as opposed to learning from those who have only watched or studied wrestling without actual competitive experience.

Highlights

The importance of learning wrestling techniques from those who have actually practiced it, rather than just watching and studying.

The speaker's experience in coaching wrestling and his journey from coaching collegiate wrestlers to teaching Jiu-Jitsu.

The necessity of having a proper stance in wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu for effective takedown attempts and maintaining position.

The contrast between the speaker's free YouTube content and his instructional with Jordan Burroughs on improving wrestling fundamentals.

The myth that one cannot learn wrestling effectively after a certain age, debunked by the speaker's personal experience.

The common issue in Jiu-Jitsu of poor wrestling execution due to lack of proper coaching and understanding of wrestling principles.

The ineffectiveness of collar ties in Jiu-Jitsu due to incorrect stances and the need for better hand fighting strategy.

The speaker's critique of the prevalent 50-50 hand grip positions in Jiu-Jitsu and their lack of strategic value.

The need for Jiu-Jitsu practitioners to learn from wrestlers with legitimate wrestling experience for effective takedown techniques.

The speaker's instructional content on how to dismantle opponents using underhooks and head positioning in wrestling.

The ineffectiveness of the same-arm same-leg reach in wrestling and its prevalence in Jiu-Jitsu, leading to poor takedown attempts.

The importance of understanding push-pull technique in wrestling, which is often misunderstood or incorrectly taught in Jiu-Jitsu.

The speaker's argument that Jiu-Jitsu practitioners should not fear ending up in an opponent's guard due to their takedown skills.

The need for a摔跤手 to learn how to wrestle from all positions and the importance of combining wrestling with Jiu-Jitsu for a well-rounded grappling game.

The speaker's recommendations for Jiu-Jitsu practitioners to learn from wrestlers like Brandon Reed, Michael Tarver, John Marsh, and J-Flow for effective wrestling techniques.

The final advice to Jiu-Jitsu practitioners to stop reaching for collar ties against upright opponents and to learn proper hand fighting from experienced wrestlers.

Transcripts

if you want to improve your wrestling

then you need to listen to people who

actually did

it I know what people say oh but that

guy watches so much film of wrestling

whatever oh I watch Kung Fu film does

that make me a Kung Fu expert that is

the dumbest thing I've ever

heard in my life like just because

somebody watches somebody wrestle and

studies it doesn't mean that they know

how to do it I know that they don't know

how to do it because I've watched their

instructionals hey everybody welcome

back to the channel today I need to talk

about something thing and I know it's

going to be controversial and I know

it's going to hurt people's feelings but

probably not controversial because I

think most people agree on it but it's

going to hurt some people's feelings or

whatever but it needs to be said so

first thing I'm going to say is this the

whole reason that I started my channel

in the first place was to help people

okay I've been coaching wrestling for a

long long time okay I started wrestling

back in 1991 and I really started

coaching as a Collegiate wrestler when

my uh assistant coach was running um a

wrestling club and you know we would

help out and then I learned from him and

he uh my assistant coach was the head

coach of the Olympic team head coach of

the world team Greco okay but he was

also an NCAA champion and four-time

All-American so he's good at all styles

and I started doing Jiu-Jitsu like four

years ago and um I realized like right

away I mean like these guys don't know

the basics of how to control people from

the standing position so forget the

takeown thing that's the people always

want to know like well how do I take

somebody down and I'm like the first

thing that you need to do is know how to

stand you the first thing you need is a

stance because I don't want him taking

me down okay the other thing about it is

that I need a stance because in order

for me to make my takedown attempts work

I need to have the most powerful

position that I can have and I need to

be able to maintain that position

throughout the takedown

so um so I I put a lot of content on

YouTube for free then I made an

instructional with Jordan presure um on

this very thing because I really want to

help people in Jiu-Jitsu it's really I

think it's more fun than coaching high

school kids wrestling now because I find

coaching adults is is very rewarding I

co kids uh coaching was also very

rewarding but I kind of like working

with adults they seem to uh cut through

the fat a lot faster uh and understand

so it's not that in

Jiu-Jitsu people are incapable of

learning wrestling I get this all the

time people say stuff to me like oh I'm

like in my 20s like can I learn how to

wrestle like of course you can I mean

what would you think you all of a sudden

you can't learn something because you

started it you know too late in your

life and like you can't wrestle now like

that's not that is nonsense okay like I

didn't start doing Judo until I was an

very much an adult and you know and then

I went back to it in my 40s like at 43

years old blew out my ACL that's another

story but but you know I'm a lifelong

learner too so I can still learn things

um so people DM me all the time and they

ask me why does wrestling suck so bad in

Jiu-Jitsu okay this is the thing that's

going to hurt people's feelings and I

know all the I know all of the arguments

to this I've heard them all I've read

them all too online it's not wrestling

it's Jiu-Jitsu yeah I mean you can say

that but if you're using wrestling moves

to try to take somebody down kind of's

wrestling right and we say in wrestling

like uh there's multiple styles of

wrestling we always say wrestling is

wrestling so Greco Roman rule sets look

nothing in the strategy looks nothing

like folk style wrestling okay but it's

still wrestling you're still the same

principles of head position the same

same principles of inside position

control and hip position and all of

those things are all the same okay and

the stances and this is where I I really

get into this the instructional the

stances matter okay the hand fighting

strategy the hand fighting techniques

need to uh follow the position of the

stance so that is my hand fighting

strategy for somebody who's in like a

folk style wrestling stance where

they're sort of more their shoulders are

more leaning forward right is going to

be different than when somebody's in

like a Greco Roman stance and this is

one of the fundamental problems that I

see in Jiu-Jitsu is that people are in a

much more upright stance but they're

trying to use moves uh like the most

one I get all the time is is the collar

tie right everybody's trying to reach

for collar ties first of all you should

never reach okay if you're not making

like if you're not getting a head

position on somebody first and you're

not like touching this part of their

body first you should never reach

towards the head reaching towards the

head in any style of wrestling is a big

problem if you do it in Greco um you are

going to get suplexed and the stances

are very similar people in Jiu-Jitsu and

Greco stand more upright I covered this

on my instructional as to why people

like to do it they're afraid of getting

to drop their head so they don't get

choked but the choke comes not from your

head being higher than somebody even

though that could help it's from your

spinal alignment being bent right so if

you want to Guillotine somebody their

back has to be like this try G

guillotining somebody like this even if

you're taller than them it just doesn't

work very well because when their back

is straight you you need their head to

be here and you need their their back to

bend it doesn't work you can't collar

tie somebody when their spine is like

this because their legs are underneath

them they're not leaning forward and so

when you pull out on their head right

their front leg is out farther than

where their shoulder alignment is so

you're pulling straight down into their

quads which is going to easily be able

to support the weight and your your

back's in this kind of alignment if I

try to pull somebody down on a collar

tie like this it doesn't work okay and

this is why you see it not working in

Jiu-Jitsu you see people doing these 20

minute long collar tie battles

and they're inefficient and they're

ineffective and they're boring as hell

to watch okay and you be like if this

match is two to three times longer than

a traditional wrestling match why aren't

these guys capable of getting anybody

out of position and scoring at all is it

because their defense is so good no it's

not okay like I see guys getting on a

single leg and they can hold it for 25

seconds or longer in some cases 20s

something seconds and not like

get taken down off of that if you in

high school grab a single leg and hold

it for more than a few seconds that

person's defense is going to end up

working against you okay so what's going

on here right why isn't it working so in

most cases what you have and this is

I've seen this trust me from the own

schools that I've been at right is you

have a one jiu-jitsu instructor head

lead instructor and no wrestling coaches

and that person is teaching you how to

take people down to the ghee which is

like old judo rules where you're allowed

to grab the legs too and then you know

also using the the ghee like Judo and

trying to teach you how to do nogee uh

wrestling wrestling basically takedowns

um and not and they've neither wrestled

nor have they done Judo now let me ask

you something okay because this seems to

fly all the time in Jiu-Jitsu where you

know you're like my instructor is

teaching me all the takedowns and

everything they've never done Judo

they've never done wrestling that's fine

and they think that that's fine and then

it's like well but then if you read

things on the Internet it's like a

judoka trying to teach people how to

wrestle people flip out about that oh

well you don't have the ghee on you

don't know what you're doing sir and

then if it's like oh they're doing like

nawaza oh their Jiu-Jitsu sucks their

groundwork sucks and then imagine like

going to a wrestling coach and being

like hey can you teach me how to do Judo

hey can you teach me how to do Jiu-Jitsu

people would flip out you can't do that

wrestlers don't know how to do Jiu-Jitsu

and it's like yeah they don't right

unless they actually practice Jiu-Jitsu

so why is it okay then that a Jiu-Jitsu

person with absolutely no wrestling

experience whatsoever can teach you

wrestling but then you but then later

the argument becomes because it's not

wrestling because it's j Jitsu and it's

like I've heard all these arguments

before okay donaher is actually the one

that really uh started this and really

pushed it in that direction he said okay

we're talking to Bernardo and i' I've

heard them say it more than once you

can't use wrestling because their High

amplitude throws have no control you

can't use Judo because the high

amplitude throws have no control and you

know if you don't have a jacket on then

you can't do those moves or whatever

okay sounds like a good argument until

you watch um his and I I did the review

of that standing the ground too where he

just took the entire American Scholastic

wrestling system okay he stole the whole

thing okay and like all of it okay and

then slapped it on called it scrimmage

wrestling and it's not it's folk style

wrestling and it's like oh but wait a

minute what about all that control when

you get to the ground well yeah because

it was overstated I mean like Jordan

buroughs is in freestyle and he's not he

he doesn't suplex anybody he doesn't

have any well actually suplex does kind

of have control but he's not throwing

people without control he's a double guy

and it's a that's a great move in

Jiu-Jitsu somebody you get somebody out

of their stance they're standing up

right you blast double them you know

take them down low wrap the legs up pass

the guard it's a great takedown for it

so it was really overstated okay it's a

great selling point it was like and

actually I know that this was true I

heard it written I read it I heard him

say it it's like you need an entirely

new system you can't use bolt on he said

he can't bolt on wrestling but hey

here's this instructional where I use

all the wrestling moves

and some Judo moves and if they were

wrestling moves where you had a judo

equivalent use Japanese names to call

them things and then call it scrimmage

wrestling okay so we were I was I was I

was sold on it a lot of other people

were sold on it don't be mad about it

but that's what happened okay so the

argument that you can't use wrestling in

Jiu-Jitsu is a dead argument John killed

it okay because then he put out an

entire wrestling instructional using all

the moves that we already know that work

in wrestling and so so but why doesn't

it work though and it's because the hand

fighting needs to match the standup

position if you're standing upright you

can't hand fight the same way you're not

going to be collar tying people and have

it be effective writing's on the wall

you can argue with me all you want about

it watch any Jiu-Jitsu match and you'll

see the collar tying to the snapdown

thing isn't working because they're not

selling it you know what I mean like if

you want to take if you want a collar

tie snap down to work well you know you

have to like get inside position and

push people till they push you back and

then snap you don't you don't just grab

it and hold it if you grab it and hold

it the person's back stiffens up now in

wrestling if you do that if you pull

down in their back stiffens up you drop

your level and go under them and shoot

which you don't see that much in

Jiu-Jitsu you should I mean and people

always say oh yeah because you're gonna

get choked and I'm like uh I see people

hold a single leg for 25 seconds and

don't get choked so it's not it's not

that hard to not get choked if you have

good head position on your single leg

okay just such a dead argument like you

can't use those anymore okay doesn't

work if otherwise you would see that

every single person who ever got a

single leg in Jitsu got choked out and

they don't okay it just doesn't it's not

a very strong argument okay what my

point is another thing of these 5050

hand grid positions I don't know why

people teach it in Jiu-Jitsu it's all

over the place you know I mean look look

at it you see people they come right out

and then they they try to accept the

grips and then the other person just

gives them their hands like you anybody

who's any good that knows how to wrestle

and like I've said this before on my

channels and on the instructional I've I

have wrestled with International

competition like in Europeans you're not

getting your hand back and if you do get

it back those fingers aren't going to

work the same way ever again you go

interlacing finger grips with people you

go to these palm palm grips well what

happens when you want to switch your

position oh he has to agree to let go of

your hand like there's going to be some

gentleman agreement and it's taught all

over the place I mean John shows it all

over the place on his channel it's like

their strategy to do these hand fight

positions you see Gordon do it you see

Amery do it you see John do it I mean

all you got to do is look at the

Instagram look at the the actual matches

it accomplishes nothing it is a point L

Endeavor don't do it avoid it you want

to have good head position you want to

dismantle your opponent by having like

isolate a side of their body you get

inside control that's why I like the

underhook with the head on the same side

position because I've isolated his body

now if I get my thigh inside the inner

thigh contact now he can't uchim me and

everything can't do any turn throws

because I've blocked his hips and this

is a classic well-known thing that

everybody knows and Greco and and Judo

it's important too like if somebody has

the Right Grips to do uchim Ma I want to

deny them that inside hit position now

the thing about Judo is is that if they

have an over the back grip they can

quite easily you know trip you now from

the outside but in wrestling the

overhook grip is definitely not as

powerful as an underhook grip and I know

people say well it works for me and I'm

like well you haven't wrestled anybody

tough then because generally speaking if

I have an overhook I'm looking to get

inside position with my hip because I

know that my hip position is far more

powerful than the actual overhook

whereas like if I have underhook hook

position it is better if I have my

inside leg pit in but if I don't I still

have very powerful position if my head

is in the right place right but a lot of

these coaches I mean they're not

teaching proper head position they're

teaching 50-50 hand grip positions which

Mount to nothing they go nowhere and

honestly like I don't have to defend my

position on this too much because

everything that I said would happen did

happen if you watch less ADCC and you

watch my ADCC 2020 uh2 video you can see

all the people leaving single legs for

side body locks and getting uchim modded

right and like I called that long before

ADCC that this was a bad position

because it's known from wrestling it's a

bad position okay and so a lot of these

problems can be solved quite easily by

just having like good fundamental

wrestling skills who are you going to

learn good fundamental wrestling skills

from you're not going to learn it from

somebody who's doing Jiu-Jitsu who's

never wrestled before you're going to

learn it from somebody who actually

knows wrestling and jiujitsu okay that's

important too you want to know that okay

like

if somebody's never done Jiu-Jitsu they

probably need to do some Jiu-Jitsu so

that they understand the rules matter in

terms of like you know the strategy for

when you get somebody to the ground how

you get them to the ground you don't

want to end up in a bad position when

you get there okay now I don't mean in

their guard that's a lazy person's way

of thinking about this like you end up

in somebody's guard I mean you don't

want to end up in a submission hold okay

so you need to but you can use very

classic fundamental wrestling to end up

in very good positions m gvo is a good

example of somebody who's doing an

excellent job of doing this he's

combining head pinch position chest wrap

positions and using it to get uh you

know to to launch people to then get in

a top position right and or taking away

when they do bad position on under hooks

where their heads pulled away from it

like when he wrestled against or when he

fought

um PJ barch barch had his head pulled

out of position so he was able to do a

flying armar he wouldn't have been able

to do that if his head had been in the

right position and he just I think that

March just kind of didn't think about it

too much you know he just sort of pulled

his head away and then boom like he

capitalized on and that's because M

actually knows how to wrestle quite well

okay so you can use very good classic

wrestling and then combine it with

jiu-jitsu this is why I think you need a

good wrestler somebody a good wrestler

with good fundamentals what needs to

happen is is that the people who know

wrestling well need to teach the

Jiu-Jitsu guys what to use how to use it

right why to use it when to use it how

to use it all those things right because

it's not people's fault it's not their

fault that they're in Jiu-Jitsu I'm

saying it's not their fault that they

don't know how to wrestle because

they're being taught by people who don't

know how to wrestle who've never

wrestled and they're reaching with the

same arm same leg collar ties you see it

all over the place it's on all the

Instagrams it's on on every match I'll

show you all kinds of photographs of

these people they're learning it from

the instructors themselves reaching with

the same arm same leg is going to get

you in so much trouble it is so easy

there are match after match after match

I can show you where in wrestling where

people only do it for a split second

it's not even way out of position like

it is in Jiu-Jitsu where people are so

out of position in Jiu-Jitsu when they

do it you're just giving the guy access

to your legs I cover this on my

instructional I covered on my channel

right I'll show you some NCAA footage of

it right where like you can see aroua do

it to fix and fix is a a junior world

champion and he just for a split second

reached with the same arm same leg and

and and arua so good he saw it thumb

posted him lifted him up took him

straight to his back in the semi-finals

of the NCAA tournament last year right

and then he went on to become a world

champion and so it works at that level

okay and those guys have good wrestling

stances which means that their head is

going to be in the way and Jiu-Jitsu

guys are standing so upright that they

don't even have head position anymore so

you're past their head now you only have

to worry about their hands and the Hand

fighting skills in Jiu-Jitsu were

terrible because you just see

people like fake like I just saw marali

last night do this to um and in his last

fight against Penna he faked like he was

going to reach for a colar tie which

isn't the wor strategy in the world and

then he just shot in on the leg but it's

like Penna should have just been able to

drop his hands down with basic basic

defense and block him you know and so

you should never reach with two hands

right for sure um and Penna reached up

like as as merali reached fake reached

and then and then shot on him okay it's

not much of a setup it just goes to show

you that if it works it works at that

level because the wrestling is very bad

okay and it's not their fault this is

how they're being taught it's in in all

the wrestling uh that's being taught

needs to be revised like tremendously in

order to be effective but a lot of it

starts with the fact that like the the

way that people are doing it right the

way that the way that people are

approaching the hand fighting is not

matching The Stance now I argue that

standing upright in Jiu-Jitsu isn't a

good idea anyway okay like if you can

have more Flex in your knees more Flex

in your legs and still have a straight

back and not get choked and then you're

so easily going to be able to get past

the person's head defense right that's

the first line of defense and past their

hands the second line of defense with

some basic hand fighting skills I show a

lot of Greco U not a lot I show some

Greco on the on the um instructional

because you know if you're one I mean

you may not want to shoot your old

whatever um maybe you're really tall um

all these things but I also show like

you don't have to go to your knees to

get a lot of these shots because people

are so out of their stance to begin with

okay so if you want to improve your

wrestling then you need to listen to

people who actually did

it I know what people say oh but that

guy watches so much film of wrestling

whatever oh I watch Kung Fu film does

that make me a Kung Fu expert that is

the dumbest thing I've ever

heard in my life like just because

somebody watches somebody wrestle and

studies it doesn't mean that they know

how to do it I know that they don't know

how to do it because I've watched their

instructionals and they don't truly

understand what pushpull means I've seen

it push pull does not mean that you grab

a hold of somebody and shake them are

you pushing them and pulling them yeah

but that's not what that means okay it's

much more intricate than that and I

covered on my instructional I cover a

little bit on my channel which is like I

push the person until they stop me I

stop pushing them they're they're

pushing now they come they Lean Forward

their postural alignment gets out right

now I pull him so it's really push he

pushes I stop pushing he comes in

because he was already pushing I let go

and then I pull that's how that works

okay I've seen John teach this where he

like Gets behind somebody and just

shakes their

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hips you just grab their hands and

you're out man like I don't know

where that came from um but like that's

not pushpull okay and then I know that

like I've watched the instructionals

that he has he doesn't really teach the

classic way of wrestling and push pull

now he's starting to talk about it

though okay okay cuz I called him out

for it on John on the Gordon Ryan video

now he's starting to talk about it a

little bit and he does that he'll start

talking about it trust me now I mean he

he listens he pays attention like um and

but you know and I want him to be able

to teach it but he hasn't been okay

historically he has not taught how push

pole works properly and none of these

guys are teaching how push pole really

works okay they may say it um and they

may write dissertations on their

Instagram posts about what it means but

they don't really teach it in the

classic sense of how taught in wrestling

you can tell the difference between some

of how good some of these Jiu-Jitsu guys

are when you watch their ground games

and you see that they understand like

pushing and then the guy pushes back and

then they drag right to take the back

and stuff so they do understand the push

pull on the ground very well and I mean

Jon's probably one of the greatest

Jiu-Jitsu um people on the ground ever

right and and more than that um he's

probably one of the greatest coaches to

to prepare his athletes for competition

than ever um because if you look at how

his athletes do in competition they

don't gas and I think it's because he is

has a pulse on uh their training and

like how hard they're pushing it and

then he backs off maybe and if they're

if they're overtrained or whatever I

mean I think he's very has a very good

uh sense of the pulse of the room and

how how hard people are training in

everything and then that makes him that

makes him that much better of a coach

okay but in terms of like Preparing

People for how to take people down and

everything I mean if if his systems on

takedowns were working so well then we

would just see him demolishing people

and we don't like we do not see his guys

demolishing people on their feet at all

and when they do get takedowns they're

pretty sloppy okay frankly and I mean

it's F I'm I'm not saying it's not

effective at at any level or whatever

I'm just saying it needs to be better it

could be better it needs to be better

and like but you also have to keep this

in mind because I know people say this

all the time like um you know does

Gordon Ryan need to have an amazing

takedown game no does myal need to have

an amazing takedown game no you know why

because their freaking guards are so

good that it doesn't matter how the

fight goes to the ground but you're not

maragall you're not Gordon Ryan and so

you're not those people so if you think

your guard is that good that you just

don't need to be able to take somebody

down and get in a top control position

then by all means you know but most

people kind of want to start to have

better wrestling skills because they

want to be able to take control of that

match and take it to the ground how they

want when they want how they want okay

and that's what's going to help you uh

take your Jiu-Jitsu to another level is

is when you can control when the fight

gets to the ground how it gets to the

ground and what position you end up in

when you get to the ground when you get

to the ground and you've got somebody on

their back well then now they're doing

Jiu-Jitsu and hopefully you're past

their guard and if not well then you

have to use Jiu-Jitsu to pass their

guard and this notion that everybody

asks me about it's like oh but that

taked down that could end up in his

guard so what like you know like use

Jiu-Jitsu to pass the guard then if

you're so worried to take a shot on

somebody because you're going to end up

in their guard like well what happens

when they pull guard on you then you

know so you need to get that out of your

head like that that whole like notion of

oh well I'm gonna end up in his guard oh

well or he's gonna end up on my back

okay like learn how to wrestle like and

get stand up learn how to wrestle and

reverse the position grany standup

switches hrug all the things that I've

shown on my Channel I didn't show a

switch on my channel but you get the

idea like you need to learn how to

wrestle from all positions you need to

know how to do Jiu-Jitsu from all

positions otherwise you're you're going

to be an ineffective um Grappler so I

hope this kind of helps uh to clarify

things I think wrestling will get better

um I think though it's going to have to

come from wrestlers if you want my

opinion on who I think are good

wrestlers I this isn't in any order

these are just people who I happen to

like uh watch people who are good at

taking you to the ground and having good

control I think Brandon Reed um is a

great option guy's a three-time national

champion uh in wrestling and he's doing

quite well in Jiu-Jitsu um he's a big

guy but he moves super super fast and

super well and and honestly if you watch

what he teaches it's not very different

than what I teach it's classic good

wrestling another one is Michael tro he

also has phenomenal technique very

similar to what I do um we also like

wrestled in college quite close to each

other so I think the Styles actually

match up quite well and he's very good

at Jiu-Jitsu um John Marsh he's another

great uh Collegiate wrestler um who is

obviously very good at Jiu-Jitsu and JT

Torres is coach there's a reason why JT

Torres is wrestling is so good um who

else oh J flow holy crap yeah I mean

watch J flow right these are all people

who have uh legitimate wrestling skills

you know and you're not going to see

them just reaching for people just

reaching things got to stop um it's

telegraphing I mean the other person's

back is just going to stiff up now you

should learn how to use that to your

advantage and and drop your level and

and take them down when they do that

okay because they're halfway you're

halfway there they they've literally got

zero like head defense okay so it's

quite easily it's quite easy to take

people down when when they're standing

upright like that so um that's what I my

recommendation would be okay you watch

those people um watch some of the stuff

that I've put out too and you'll see

that there's a lot of similarities and

the philosophies of how you move people

around there's only so many ways to move

somebody okay and that's the most

effective way of doing it is to use

classic wrestling taught by a class

somebody who's been classically trained

in wrestling not somebody who's just

watching it okay like watching it and

doing it and having competed in it are

two completely different things this

doesn't mean by the way that as a

Jiu-Jitsu coach or as a Jiu-Jitsu uh

competitor that you can't learn how to

wrestle my advice though is is that when

you buy wrestling in instructionals for

Jiu-Jitsu that you buy them from people

who actually know how to wrestle because

then you're going to get the details

that make these systems not moves

systems matter a lot of people can show

you moves and then they're one stop

they're one trick ponies they don't

teach you how to switch and chain

wrestle to different moves but it's odd

because if you watch those same people

do Jiu-Jitsu oh man they got whole

systems of leg locking systems and

everything and that's because that's

what they understand right and that's

where you can see the holes in the game

like their Jiu-Jitsu is amazing the

wrestling is

very entry level okay so hopefully uh

that clarifies some things hopefully

this helps you um you know stop callar

tying people who are standing up right

okay you have to use some Greco to do

that watch some Greco and you'll see

that people don't do that okay and it's

because it's ineffective and uh you know

learn how to hand fight people from

different um postures and you'll go a

lot further okay so next time thanks for

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