ESI Sample Cases 2

jon lawrence apilan
28 Jul 202451:10

Summary

TLDRThis script discusses various patient scenarios in an emergency department, focusing on triage assessment and prioritization using the Emergency Severity Index (ESI). It highlights the importance of recognizing high-risk patients, such as those with trauma, disorientation, or severe symptoms, and the need for immediate interventions.

Takeaways

  • 👨‍⚕️ The script discusses the Emergency Severity Index (ESI) triage system, emphasizing the importance of accurately assessing patient conditions to determine the level of care required.
  • 🚑 It highlights the need for caution with repeat patients or those with substance abuse, as they can be high risk despite appearing stable, and their conditions should not be minimized.
  • 📝 The dialogue includes various patient scenarios to illustrate the triage process, showing how different presentations affect the assigned ESI level.
  • 🤕 The script emphasizes that patients with visible signs of trauma, disorientation, or alcohol consumption meet criteria for ESI Level 2, indicating a high-risk situation.
  • 🧐 The importance of not relying solely on vital signs for all patients is stressed, with examples given where specific symptoms necessitate checking blood pressure or other measures.
  • 👶 The triage of pediatric patients is highlighted, with different age groups having distinct criteria and considerations for fever and potential serious infections.
  • 🏥 The script touches on institutional differences in protocols and how they can affect triage decisions, such as the handling of urine samples or eye exams.
  • 🤔 The dialogue suggests that triage nurses must use their judgment, experience, and knowledge of standard care to predict patient resource needs, which may vary based on physician practice.
  • 🏃‍♀️ The urgency of certain conditions like chest pain and hypotension is underscored, with the need for immediate intervention and physician assessment for such cases.
  • 🧠 The script addresses the unique ways women may present with cardiac disease, often with atypical symptoms like upper GI discomfort, and the importance of recognizing these signs.
  • 🌟 The importance of patient education is highlighted, especially for cases that do not require extensive medical intervention but can benefit from guidance on self-care and over-the-counter treatments.

Q & A

  • What is the significance of Glasgow Coma Scale score in the patient scenario involving Joe?

    -The Glasgow Coma Scale score is an important indicator of a patient's level of consciousness. In Joe's case, his score of 14 suggests that he is not fully conscious but is not in a state of severe unresponsiveness, which helps in determining the urgency of his condition and the level of care required.

  • Why is Joe considered a high-risk patient despite not requiring immediate life-saving interventions?

    -Joe is considered high-risk due to his disorientation to time, visible signs of trauma to the head, no recollection of events, and obvious alcohol consumption. These factors, combined with his known history with the emergency department, suggest potential for serious underlying issues that need attention.

  • What is the importance of not minimizing the presentation of well-known patients to the emergency department?

    -Well-known patients to the emergency department are often high-risk and may have complex health histories. Minimizing their presentation could lead to overlooking critical symptoms or conditions, potentially resulting in adverse outcomes.

  • Why is it crucial to maintain a high index of suspicion with patients who present with substance abuse?

    -Patients with substance abuse may have altered mental states or may not accurately report their symptoms, making it difficult to assess their condition accurately. A high index of suspicion ensures that the healthcare provider considers all possible complications and does not miss any critical diagnoses.

  • What are the criteria for assigning a patient to ESI Level 2 in the emergency department?

    -ESI Level 2 criteria include patients who are high risk and do not require immediate life-saving interventions. They may present with signs of trauma, altered mental status, or have a history that suggests potential for serious underlying conditions.

  • What is the potential consequence if a patient like Joe, who is disoriented and has signs of trauma, is not taken seriously?

    -If a patient like Joe is not taken seriously, there is a risk of missing a critical diagnosis such as a head injury or internal bleeding, which could lead to severe complications or even death.

  • How does the triage process differ for a patient with a known history of medical issues like Robert Douglas?

    -For patients with a known history of medical issues, the triage process involves a careful assessment of their current symptoms in the context of their medical history. This helps in identifying any changes or potential complications that may require immediate attention.

  • What is the rationale behind assigning Robert Douglas an ESI Level 2 instead of Level 1?

    -Robert Douglas is assigned an ESI Level 2 because he does not require immediate life-saving interventions. However, his significant medical history and current symptoms of weakness and dizziness warrant a high level of attention and timely assessment by the medical team.

  • Why is it important to consider a patient's medical history during the triage process?

    -A patient's medical history provides crucial context for their current symptoms and can help identify potential risks or complications. It allows the triage nurse to prioritize patients more effectively and ensure that high-risk patients receive timely care.

  • What factors contribute to a patient being classified as high risk in the emergency department?

    -Factors contributing to a patient being classified as high risk include known medical history of serious conditions, presenting symptoms that suggest potential complications, signs of trauma, altered mental status, and substance abuse.

  • How does the emergency department prioritize patients who are assigned to the same ESI level?

    -Within the same ESI level, patients are prioritized based on the urgency of their condition, the need for immediate interventions, and the potential risk to their health if not attended to promptly.

Outlines

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🚑 Disoriented Patient Encounter

The scenario depicts a disoriented patient, Joe, found by the police on the sidewalk with facial injuries and under the influence of alcohol. Despite not requiring immediate life-saving interventions, his presentation raises concerns due to visible trauma, memory loss, and substance abuse, qualifying him as an Emergency Severity Index (ESI) Level 2 patient. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of maintaining a high index of suspicion for repeat ED visitors, especially with substance abuse or trauma, and not to underestimate their risk.

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🤔 Dialysis Patient with Weakness

Robert, a 62-year-old with a history of renal failure, hypertension, and heart attacks, presents with weakness and dizziness. Although not requiring immediate intervention, his complex medical history and current symptoms make him an ESI Level 2 patient. The discussion highlights the need for triage nurses to consider the patient's medical background and not to overlook potential cardiac issues or electrolyte imbalances that could escalate the situation to ESI Level 1.

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🚑 Pediatric Trauma with Hypotension

An 8-year-old girl is rushed to the ED after being hit by a bus, showing signs of hypotension and tachycardia. She requires immediate life-saving interventions such as fluid resuscitation and possible intubation, marking her as an ESI Level 1 patient. The case underscores the urgency required in pediatric trauma cases and the need for prompt action to stabilize the patient's condition.

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😣 Severe Hypertension with Headache

A 33-year-old woman with a severe frontal headache and extremely high blood pressure is referred to the ED by an ophthalmologist. Her symptoms, combined with the alarming blood pressure reading, suggest a potential risk of stroke or other serious complications, categorizing her as an ESI Level 1 patient. The summary stresses the importance of immediate medical attention to address the dangerously high blood pressure.

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👦 14-Year-Old with Possible Poison Ivy

A 14-year-old boy with symptoms of poison ivy is brought to the ED by his mother. Despite the discomfort, the boy has no significant medical history and stable vital signs, leading to a determination that he does not meet the criteria for ESI Levels 1 or 2. The case illustrates the importance of patient education and appropriate guidance for home care instead of emergency intervention.

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😨 Chest Pressure and Shortness of Breath

A 52-year-old male, Larry, experiences chest pressure and shortness of breath, accompanied by nausea. With risk factors like obesity and high cholesterol, and presenting symptoms that suggest a possible acute myocardial infarction (AMI), he is classified as an ESI Level 1 patient. Immediate interventions such as IV access, fluid administration, and hemodynamic support are required, emphasizing the critical nature of his condition.

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🤒 Epigastric Pressure with GI Symptoms

A 57-year-old female with a history of high cholesterol and recent heartburn presents with epigastric pressure and a sense of fullness in her stomach. Although her vital signs are stable, her symptoms and risk factors for cardiac disease qualify her as an ESI Level 2 patient. The summary highlights the atypical presentation of cardiac issues in women and the necessity to consider underlying cardiac conditions despite initial gastrointestinal symptoms.

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🔪 Suicidal Ideation and Elderly Dizziness

The script presents two cases: a 21-year-old female with recent suicidal ideation after a breakup and a 76-year-old female experiencing dizziness and weakness. The young woman, despite denying suicidal thoughts, is considered high risk and an ESI Level 2 patient due to the potential severity of untreated mental health issues. The elderly woman's symptoms suggest a possible cardiac event, making her an ESI Level 1 patient requiring immediate intervention.

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👶 Pediatric Fever and Asthma Medication

An 11-month-old infant with a high fever and an ear infection is triaged according to the pediatric guidelines, which consider age and appearance as key factors. Meanwhile, a 10-year-old girl with asthma requires a prescription refill, placing her in the ESI Level 5 category. The summary emphasizes the importance of following evidence-based guidelines for pediatric patients and ensuring appropriate care for those with chronic conditions.

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🤧 Common Cold and UTI Symptoms

Adult patients presenting with common cold symptoms and a suspected UTI are discussed. The cold patient, without any need for specific interventions, is categorized as an ESI Level 5. The UTI patient, requiring a urine sample and possibly a pregnancy test, is also considered an ESI Level 5 unless the urine requires lab analysis, which would escalate her to Level 4. The discussion clarifies the distinction between bedside testing and lab testing in determining resource allocation.

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👀 Eye Complaints and Triage

The final paragraph addresses eye-related complaints, such as conjunctivitis, foreign body sensation, and trauma. It distinguishes between high-risk situations requiring immediate intervention (ESI Level 2) and common complaints that can be managed with minimal resources (ESI Level 5). The importance of visual acuity assessment at triage for eye complaints is highlighted, emphasizing its significance over traditional vital signs.

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Keywords

💡Triage

Triage is the process of determining the priority of patients' treatments based on the severity of their condition. In the video, triage is central to the theme as it guides the categorization of patients into different Emergency Severity Index (ESI) levels, ensuring that those most in need receive immediate care. For example, a patient with a Glasgow coma score of 14 and disorientation to time is categorized as ESI Level 2, indicating high risk.

💡Emergency Severity Index (ESI)

The Emergency Severity Index is a five-level triage system used to categorize patients based on the urgency of their need for treatment. The script discusses various scenarios where the ESI level is determined, such as a patient with a severe headache and extremely high blood pressure being considered ESI Level 1 due to the potential risk of stroke.

💡Glasgow Coma Scale

The Glasgow Coma Scale is a neurological assessment tool that helps in determining a patient's level of consciousness after a brain injury. In the script, Joe's Glasgow coma score of 14 indicates a moderate level of consciousness impairment, contributing to his ESI Level 2 classification.

💡Disorientation

Disorientation refers to a state of being confused about one's surroundings or the passage of time. In the video, Joe is disoriented to time, which is a sign of a potential serious condition and a factor in his ESI Level 2 categorization.

💡Alcohol Consumption

Alcohol consumption is a factor considered during triage as it can influence a patient's condition and treatment. In the script, Joe's alcohol consumption is noted, which may have contributed to his disoriented state and the need for a thorough assessment.

💡Substance Abuse

Substance abuse is the excessive use of a substance, often leading to health problems. The video script mentions substance abuse as a factor that requires a high index of suspicion and careful triage, especially in repeat ED visitors like Joe.

💡Dialysis

Dialysis is a medical procedure that removes waste products and excess fluids from the blood when the kidneys are no longer able to do so. In the script, Robert, a patient with a history of renal failure, missed his dialysis appointment and presents with weakness and dizziness, leading to his ESI Level 2 categorization due to his high-risk medical history.

💡Hypertension

Hypertension, or high blood pressure, is a chronic medical condition that can lead to various health complications. In the video, Robert's history of hypertension, combined with his other medical issues, contributes to his high-risk status and ESI Level 2 categorization.

💡Pediatric Trauma

Pediatric trauma refers to injuries sustained by children that require medical attention. The script describes an 8-year-old female who was struck by a bus, representing a high-priority case that meets ESI Level 1 criteria due to the severity of the trauma and the need for immediate life-saving interventions.

💡Conjunctivitis

Conjunctivitis, commonly known as pink eye, is an inflammation of the conjunctiva, often causing redness and discharge. In the script, a patient presents with symptoms of conjunctivitis, which is categorized as ESI Level 5 due to its non-urgent nature and the patient's otherwise stable condition.

💡Urinary Tract Infection (UTI)

A urinary tract infection is an infection that affects any part of the urinary system. In the video, a 19-year-old patient with symptoms of a UTI is categorized as ESI Level 4, requiring a urine sample and possibly a pregnancy test, but not immediate life-saving interventions.

Highlights

Joe Joe's case demonstrates the importance of not minimizing presentations of well-known ED patients, especially with substance abuse and trauma.

Disoriented patients with visible signs of trauma and alcohol consumption meet criteria for ESI Level 2, indicating high-risk status.

Repeat ED visitors can be prone to triage errors due to over-familiarity, leading to missed diagnoses such as heart attacks.

Robert's case illustrates the triage of a patient with chronic illnesses and new-onset weakness, emphasizing the need for prompt assessment.

Patients with significant medical histories and concerning symptoms should be assigned ESI Level 2 for high-risk prioritization.

The necessity of EKGs in triage for patients with cardiac symptoms is discussed, highlighting the evolution of triage practices.

Triage nurses must prioritize patients effectively, even within the same ESI level, based on the urgency of their conditions.

An 8-year-old female with severe trauma and hypotension meets ESI Level 1 criteria, requiring immediate life-saving interventions.

A 33-year-old with a severe headache and extremely high blood pressure is categorized as ESI Level 1 due to potential stroke risk.

EMS notification of a 78-year-old male post-cardiac arrest requires ESI Level 1 triage for continuous resuscitation efforts.

A 14-year-old male with poison ivy is triaged as ESI Level 5, indicating a low-acuity case suitable for home care and patient education.

Larry's case of chest pressure and multiple cardiac risk factors meets ESI Level 1 criteria, necessitating immediate medical attention.

Louise's case of epigastric pressure and shortness of breath, despite stable vitals, is categorized as ESI Level 2 due to cardiac risk.

The importance of recognizing atypical presentations of cardiac disease in women is emphasized in Louise's case.

A 21-year-old female with expressed suicidal ideation is considered high risk and categorized as ESI Level 2, despite her denial.

A 76-year-old female with symptoms of presyncope, bradycardia, and hypotension meets ESI Level 1 criteria for immediate intervention.

An 11-month-old with a high fever and ear tugging is triaged considering age-specific guidelines and potential serious infections.

A 10-year-old asthmatic needing a prescription refill is triaged as ESI Level 5, highlighting the need for efficient patient flow.

Triage assessment of a patient with UTI symptoms involves determining resource needs, typically a urine sample for analysis.

Eye complaints like conjunctivitis are often triaged as ESI Level 5 unless accompanied by high-risk factors or severe pain.

Visual acuity measurement is recommended at triage for eye complaints, serving as a crucial vital sign for these patients.

Transcripts

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but why don't we watch another patient scenario

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Joe Joe

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the police found you lying on the sidewalk

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what happened okay

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okay

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why can't you just let me alone

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you were here yesterday what did you do after you left

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I went down to the square

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and my buddies

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we had a few and the next thing you know I'm here

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okay so you were drinking

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I noticed

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you had this bruise and this little cut on your face

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did you fall did you get into a fight

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I don't know I can't remember

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all right Joe

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what's your date of birth

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January 22nd, 1951 alright

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what month is it right now

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September

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no Joe

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it's April

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where are you right now the hospital

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um Brigham

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in Women's Hospital okay

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I need to take your blood pressure and your temperature

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and put this on your finger

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this patient

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appears to be known to the emergency department staff

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he was found on the sidewalk

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and brought in by the police

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he has bruises on his face and a small asseration

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his Glasgow coma scores 14

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and he is disoriented to time

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Joe does not need immediate life saving interventions

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so he is not an ESI level 1

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but his presentation is concerning

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he has visible signs of trauma to the head

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and he has no recollection of what happened

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and obvious alcohol consumption

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he meets a criteria for ESI Level 2

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his presentation is high risk

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and he is disoriented to time patients

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who are well known to an emergency department

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are often high risk

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and it is important not to minimize their presentation

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a triage nurse should always maintain a high index

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of suspicion

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with well known patients to the emergency department

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especially when they present with substance abuse

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any signs of trauma or language barrier

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this patient meets ESI Level 2 criteria

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tell me something do you see patients like Joe

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sure sure

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do you agree he's high risk definitely

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and you know

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we need to be very careful with these type of patients

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do you have any questions about that case

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no but it's interesting

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that's where with people who are drunk

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are repeat visitors that's where I see mistakes

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in my years in the Ed

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that's where I've seen the most mistakes

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in triageing patients that's really easy to do right

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these people every day sometimes several times a day

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sure and

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it's very hard to keep that high index of suspicion out

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but you're right that's when bad things happen

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I seen a heart attack

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and a couple of other things that were missed

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both by the pre hospital personnel and by us

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easy for these people that bad head injuries

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exactly

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and we need to assume at this point

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that he had one of those

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and that alcohol was just another factor

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so he is definitely an ESI level too

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what would happen if we couldn't wake him up

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like if you shook him and he just

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wasn't responding to or it took a painful stimuli

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would that change this category at all

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depends if he was handling his airway and everything

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I don't know right if he's unresponsive your right

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he becomes in your way issue

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which could bump them up to level one

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absolutely

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that would definitely bump him up to a level 1 okay

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he would need immediate life saving interventions

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he would need to be intubated

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he cannot protect his own airway

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so remember that definition of ESI Level 1 right

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okay let's do another case

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m I Robert Douglas oh that's me

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hi Robert come on in my name is Paul

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I'm one of the nurses which have a seat

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I'm gonna ask you a couple questions about

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what brought you in here today okay

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so what what's going on what brought you in here

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oh

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just feeling weak

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have no energy

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had trouble getting out of bed this morning okay

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when did all this start

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last night

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I was supposed to go to dialysis this morning

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but I just don't have any energy okay

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so you're feeling fine yesterday

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and today you're feeling really weak

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yes

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okay I'm gonna go ahead and get your blood pressure

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how old are you Robert 62 okay

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are you having any pain or problems breathing with this

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no just feeling dizzy okay

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so you're feeling dizzy

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do you have a list of medications that you take oh yes

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I think it might be right there yeah

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great thanks

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okay

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so other than the renal failure and the hypertension

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do you have any other medical problems

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that we should know about

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well I've had two heart attacks

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okay I had bypass surgery in 2002

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okay when was your last dialysis

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three days ago I've got one of those catheters

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cotton catheter yes

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okay yes

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another interesting patient

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he does not need to be immediately rushed back to

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the treatment area

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he does not require immediate life saving interventions

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he is not an ESI level 1 however

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he is a high risk patient

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the concern is his significant medical history

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that includes chronic Wheeling failure

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hypertension and significant cardiac disease

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combined with his presenting complaint of feeling weak

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there are several questions

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the triage nurse cannot answer

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a triage is his potassium markedly elevated

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is he having another am I

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what does his EKG look like

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these are major concerns that warrant

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assigning this patient ESI level 2

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he is high risk and it would

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not be safe for him to wait in the waiting room

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I would give him my last dad

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this patient meets the criteria for ESI Level 2

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so do any of you think he looks a little bit too good

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to be this dialysis patient

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and given him a level 2 what do you mean by too good

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does he look pretty okay he looks pretty good to me

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really well

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except that you have to consider he's chronically ill

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so you know a lot of what he's experienced

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he's experienced before so you know

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it may be usual to him in some ways um

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I mean one thing that came to me right away um

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I don't think they do it in that yard

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that they were showing there

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but we do EKGs in our triage area

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that would be something

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he could get in our triage area

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that would right away tell you

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there was anything going on

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cardiac at that moment

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okay but

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would you get an

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EKG before you assign a triage category

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or with the triage category

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kind of dictate the fact that you need to get that EKG

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well yeah you go ahead and sign him a category however

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as an adjunct

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along with all the other information you're gathering

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and EKG could be part of that

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alright that's a good point

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cause

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a lot of people are doing more and more at triage now

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but I think you still

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are gonna have to make a decision on

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the triage category before you

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um have any other interventions or do anything else

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and I think he just looks pretty good

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but it's important to remember he's high risk

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he's due for that dialysis patient

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and all those things that we talked about

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he's dizzy he's having chest pain

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you really don't have any idea right

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so if you did is EKG

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then that's sort of a process thing afterwards

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but you're still not gonna know his potassium level

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so I wouldn't I mean

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don't you see all these patients with weakness

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coming in with that chief complaint

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and I think the thing

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the triage nurse has to do is sort out

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what are the what I will call high risk situations

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you know is he a diabetic

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is I mean

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this particular gentleman told you

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he was a renal patient but what is this history

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um it could be so many different things

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and many of these are high risk patients

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because they have chronic medical problems

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and many of them don't have the classic symptoms

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even if they're having a heart attack

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if they've had an incision in their chest

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or if they're diabetic sometimes

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they won't have classic chest pain

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as a presenting complaint

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that's an excellent point

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and then in a lot of ways

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you know I consider it like a puzzle

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I mean he starts out with the dizzy weakness part

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well then he adds the dialysis part

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and he has a hypertension part

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then he had two MI's

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and you're like adding all these pieces to the puzzle

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and they're giving you a picture

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because of that history especially

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um I would make a room for him

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and I you mentioned in the video

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that you would give him your last bed

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but even if that was not available

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I would have to pull somebody that was more stable

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and put them in why I do that

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because he's weak I

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saw him walking with a cane to you

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I would go ahead and get a wheelchair

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or a stretcher

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to push him back into the treatment area

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that's what I would do

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great excellent points

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on this case he was a level 2

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he was very very like up there and upwards

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a level two that's a good point too

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what if you had five level twos now

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what if you had we can do it all

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a little prioritization of twos

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so you have somebody now with

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let's put that subarachnoid that we talked about

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with a headache

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female with severe headache after a bowel movement

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that we're thinking is a subarachnoid

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and then you have this patient with dialysis

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and then you have somebody who has chest pain

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and some shortness of breath

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so who would you want to put first

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certainly want to do the EKGs to see if I slide

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don't have that at this

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I did the Paul socks on the shortness and bra

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and Paul socks on the

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I mean that right I mean

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I think what you need to look at is who needs

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who's requiring intervention immediately

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and so that would be one tell tale

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in terms of a life saving intervention

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is the pulse ox let's say that that we have none

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and that's absolutely true

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no level 1 criteria for any of these patients to have

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three level twos chest pain

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short of breath this man who's weak and dizzy

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on dialysis and your maybe subarachnoid

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I'd have a hard time between the chest pain

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short of breath and the subarachnoid

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gotta have to see him but say that you know

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your distress pain doesn't look very good

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yeah that's what I was gonna say the subarachnoid

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we'd wanna get her back

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but she looked good at that moment right um

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but again you know

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we don't have the information on the shorter breath

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chest pain

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but you know things like how he looked physically

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is he diaphratic no

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it's okay what's his color

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like what's his age group

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any past history any factors that you know

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are making us think part right

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I think what Paul is saying

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part of it is

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you're basing your judgment on your across the room

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assessment as well as that information

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you gathered during your triosh assessment

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and really figuring out who's the circus

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who is really needs to go back first

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and who can safely wait for a few minutes

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until another bed becomes available

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you know this era of Ed overcrowding

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finding beds is becoming increasingly more difficult

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and I really liked your point about pulling somebody

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out of her room into the hallway and creating a bed

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yes cause you're gonna face the situation all the time

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and you still do that

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and people ask us that question a lot too

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so just because you have five levels

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within those levels

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you're still gonna have to prioritize your twos

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and you're still gonna have to prioritize your threes

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so time ordering

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your chart according to categories is not a good idea

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so you're still gonna have to do a lot of assessment

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great

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so let's do the next case

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you're notified by EMS

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that you're receiving an 8 year old female

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who was struck by a bus while crossing the street

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bystanders report she was thrown across the street

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her initial vital signs her heart rate was 1:48

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respiratory rate 36 her blood pressure 70 over palpable

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and her rumere saturation 91%

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so does this patient meet ESI level 1 or 2 criteria

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probably probably what

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yes I love a 1 or 2

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well I want her in the trauma room

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she's a bad pediatric trauma

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I think she's hypotensive and tachycartic for her age

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so level 1 or 2 I think level 1

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okay um great

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she is hypotensive and

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she does require immediate life saving interventions

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what specifically do you think she'll need

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well lines for fluid resuscitation

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a fluid bolus possibly blood

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possibly intubation depending upon what they find

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perfect you aren't just starting a line to have a line

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she needs immediate life saving interventions

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she needs hemodynamic resuscitation

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now let's talk about this

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what if this were an adult with the same vital sign

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same scenario I don't think it would change anything

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you're right just checking let's move on

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okay next case

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we have a 33 year old that comes to triage from her

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doctor's office um

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she complains of a severe frontal headache

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10 over 10 for about 4 days

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she went to her eye to eye doctor's office

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cause she thought she needed glasses

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the ophthalmologist performed an eye exam

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and sent her directly to the emergency department

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for further evaluation she's alert oriented times three

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her blood pressure is 260 over 160

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her heart rates 82 and her aspirations are 16

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s P O 2 and her temperature are fine

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so what do you not like the most about this case

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well the blood pressure is off the charts

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so how does this work

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if the blood pressure isn't part of the vital science

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criteria for the ESI that's a good question

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all patients probably should get vitals

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especially adults

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who are going to go to the waiting room

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this is a perfect case to

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demonstrates the need for vitals

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well it's true that vitals are usually not helpful

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a patient with a headache

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or a nosebleed are really two examples

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when you need to take the blood pressure

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make sure you check it so let's go back to this case

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what do you think the ophthalmologist saw

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and why do you refer her to the emergency department

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well maybe she had papillodema

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and then I guess he checked her blood pressure great

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so what triage level is this patient

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well she's tolerated this pressure for four days

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so I would make her a level 2

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she is high risk

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could she be a level one

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well

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does she require immediate life saving interventions

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I would air on the cautious side with this case

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she is going to require immediate access for medication

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administration to start lowering that blood pressure

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well it is true

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she may have had this elevated blood pressure

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for 4 days you don't know that for sure

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it may have just started today

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it's really hard to tell

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well

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I would make her an ESI level 1 and get her care going

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two sixty over one 60 is really high

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she is symptomatic and you can bet she has paplodema

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she has the potential for stroke

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what if she was you know

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symptom free and this was a by chance blood pressure

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you know she came in for a minor unrelated complaint

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I guess you can make her a level 2 or a level 3

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I wouldn't make her a level 3 though

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she's too high risk

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but that high of blood pressure even if she is stable

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agree okay time to move on

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okay now we have a case

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you're notified by EMS

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that you're receiving a 78 year old male

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who collapsed in the garden

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his daughter called 9 1 1 and immediately started CPR

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he was defibrillated three times in the field

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and he was brought into the emergency department

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in Sinus berticcardia

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and his pressure was 88 systemic

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so what do you wanna do with this gentleman

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ESI level 1 he's post arrest

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and will require continuation of the resuscitation

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he's also gonna be going on event and will need drugs

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absolutely he's still hypotensive

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he's sprayed a cardiac

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and he's gonna need some IV vasopressors

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probably dopamine

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he may deter back into VFIB for all we know

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so he is definitely a level 1

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and there is really not much more to say about that

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let's do the next case a 14 year old male

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is brought to the emergency department

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by his mother

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who tells you she is concerned her son has poison Ivy

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he was doing some yard work for a neighbor

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and two days later developed itching

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redness and little blisters on his arms

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she's concerned that he will

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spread it to the whole family

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he's healthy takes no medications

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has normal vital signs okay

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do you think he needs level 1 or level 2 criteria

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no way they need to go home

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they should have gone to see their doctor

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okay so maybe home after some great patient education

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so you saying

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this patient is not gonna require any resources right

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he is an ESI level 5

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he's gonna be instructed to go home

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to get some over counter medicine

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that's right don't forget

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this is a really good

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opportunity for patient education

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why don't we watch another vignette

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Larry

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why don't you have a seat

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my name is Nikki I'm one of the nurses

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and I need to ask a few questions about

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what brought you to the emergency department today

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I also need to take your blood pressure

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and put this thing on your finger

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my wife brought me to the emergency department

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she's all worried she thinks I'm having a heart attack

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because I have this pain it's not really pain

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more like a pressure like something sitting on my chest

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okay do you have this pressure right now yeah

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now

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do you have any medical problems that you see a doctor

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regularly for

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just my high cholesterol

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but he put me on a medication and anti cholesterol drug

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it's much better now

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what were you doing when this pressure started

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sleeping woke me right up

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hasn't gone away all right

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what time was that about 6 a m

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to feel short of breath at all

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kind of right

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how about your stomach do you feel sick to your stomach

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a little queasy a little queasy all right

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I need a wheelchair to triage

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and I'm going to be taking that last monitored bed

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Larry how old are you 52

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52 I have a wheelchair

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and then I'm going to have you have a seat in

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and your wife

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can go ahead and get you

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registered into the emergency department

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This 52 year old male has multiple respecters

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for cardiac disease obesity

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smoking anti cholesterol

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he presents to the emergency department

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with chest pressure that woke him up from sleep

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with nausea shortness of breath antiparesis

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his heart rate is between 30 and 40 and irregular

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his respiratory rate is rapid

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and his blood pressure is low

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90 over 76 this patient is probably having an acute MI

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he needs to be seen immediately

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and immediate life saving interventions initiated

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he needs IV access fluid pacing

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pads in place and other hemodynamic interventions

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he meets criteria for ESI Level 1

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interesting case what do you think

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do you agree ESI level 1 absolutely he may not agree

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but you know the denial is along with the diagnosis

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oh that's an excellent point

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she knows how diphoratic he was

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yes my first thing yeah

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that across this room assessment

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really made you key in on that

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he had so many risk factors

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now why didn't I just walk him back to trio

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you know to treatment wrong

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because activity increases his mycardial oxygen demand

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so you would want him to rest and get oxygen in

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that's an excellent point

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we really need to do that

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he's also betacartic and I think his

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he was also had a hypertense hypotension

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his blood pressure was low too

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so yes

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that's another right flag

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great and that's really the thing

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that makes him a level 1 versus a 2

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cause you really don't wanna make all your chest pains

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level 2

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if you start making all your chest pains level 2

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and people really aren't gonna be attend

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paying attention to level 1

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this is he was a level 1 because he was bradycardic

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most chest pains

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the nurse can manage just fine for the first 10

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15 minutes you put them on the monitor

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you get your access you get your labs

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you get your EKG

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and you really don't need a physician at the bedside

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this patient who's at Breta Cardiac and hypotensive

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you want to bring the DOC to the bedside

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because you may start doing more than those things

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and the things we talked about

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the pacer pads all that is really good

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still with all that he looks pretty good

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and I know

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I would have been surprised when I found his hurry was

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30 I would not have originally pictured

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but I would have been making the level 1

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that was

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the one thing that would have made me change my mind

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especially since he brought in that can of soda

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he's pretty active

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he had so many arrest factors and you know

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it's true ESI level 1 you

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my concern

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would be getting him back into that resuscitation room

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before he arrested so exactly

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me too yeah good

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why don't we watch another patient scenario

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Louise what yes I come on in Louise

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okay there to have a seat my name is Paul

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I'm gonna ask you a couple questions about

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what brought you in here today

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and get your blood pressure okay

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okay I feel really silly being here

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but the girls where I work

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insisted that I come over and get checked out

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so what's going on

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I have this pain

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it's like a constant pressure

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it's it's not like my heartburn

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this makes me sick to my stomach

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how long has this been going on

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about 3 hours okay

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have you taken anything for it

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one of my co workers gave me an add acid

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I didn't do anything I'm just so tired

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okay I'm gonna get your blood pressure

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and ask you a couple more questions

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how old are you 57

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okay and on a scale of 0 to 10

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with 10 being the worst pain that you can imagine

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how would you rate that pain right now

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ah about us 7

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okay and Jay Nurse

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this isn't gonna take long

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is it cause I've got to get back to work

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I've got so much work to do

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you know

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I can't tell you exactly how long it's gonna take

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but

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it is really important that you see the doctor today

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okay okay

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do you have any medical problems

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I have a high cholesterol

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and I've had some heartburn lately

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okay

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do you take any medicines every day on a regular basis

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yes it's here in my purse

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okay can I see

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great thanks

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This 57 year old female

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presents to the emergency department

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with epigastric area pressure

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she has a history of high cholesterol

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and seems to be stressed about work

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all risk factors for cardiac disease

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we know from the research

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that women with heart disease

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do not present with the classic signs of chest pain

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and shortness of breath usually their more

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their discomfort is more upper GI

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and many will complain of being tired

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this patient is currently stable

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and does not require immediate

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life saving interventions

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but she is high risk for cardiac disease

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she meets the criteria for ESI Level 2

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if her blood pressure was low

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or her heart rate was high

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low or irregular and her skin was cool and diaphratic

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she would then be an ESI Level 1

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this patient is currently ESI Level 2

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interesting woman what do you think

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do you agree with that yes

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that really makes sense

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women are different aren't they

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yes one of the first things I noticed about her

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is that she was very short of breath

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and that kind of alarmed me

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said the whole time that she was talking to you

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um

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it just that was what I was thinking about

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okay that she showed her breath

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you know I need to try to help

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you need to do yes

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intervene soon even if she was just being dramatic

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right you know

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which you know

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obviously in the emergency department

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we have patients who present that way

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would that change your priority rating at all

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would you still make her too

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I would and

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I was considering the question of

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whether she was hysterical

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and nervous

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or whether she was actually short of breath

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the other thing is that she did take an Anacid

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and it didn't help at all

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which is leans me still in the direction

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further

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in the direction of a possible cardiac condition

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that's an excellent point

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now women with heart disease

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they tend to deny their pain

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we know that so

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a lot of things were learning in the last 10 years

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about women

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and how they present to the emergency department

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you know we need to make sure that they get seen

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simply

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have any other questions about this particular patient

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any anything they wanna say

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no she was her vital signs were normal

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they were

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they were still pressure heart rate everything

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she just as you said was a little to get neck and I

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I didn't see her pulse socks

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what was that um

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I believe it was 100% it was normal cause I again

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I thought the yeah

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shortness of breath was was quite evident

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I wanted to give her an nemesis basin

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that's a good point

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so had so much up against or disrupts

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just watching the video

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I was concerned and that bothered me a lot too

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but we really tend to blow off women

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and even in some of the teaching that we do

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we still find a lot of nurses that

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don't want to take females um

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seriously with this kind of cheap complaint

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and it's kind of surprising that still

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there are people that wanna minimize women with um

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up a gastric distress

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and it's not something that you want to do

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they're so vague and right

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they are big

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we're so big and how we speak about our complaints

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we tell too much what would you have to look like

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to make her a level one

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well some instability in the vital signs

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what if I said her heart rate was one eighty oh

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then she knew yeah definitely

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definitely if her color looked worse as well

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if she had diaphoresis

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as well as the epigastric distress

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and the shortness of breath

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either hypertension or hypertension

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either one good

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interesting case I think we Learned a lot from that one

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okay let's do a suicidal scenario okay

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we have a 21 year old female

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who comes in with her parents

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who said that her daughter express suicidal ideation

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after the boyfriend broke up with her

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the patient denies being suicidal

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she's alert she's oriented times 3

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and she's a little bit non cooperative

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her vitals are 97 nine 82

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20 and one 15 over 70 she is requesting to leave

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after all she says she is 21 years old

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so with everything you know about this scenario

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what triage level is she

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I know she's considered high risk and an ESI level 2

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but I just don't get it

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why is she given such a high priority

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well that's a concern that many Ed nurses have

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so let's just go ahead and talk about it

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because we have a lot of these patients

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this patient cannot be trusted

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we must assume she's suicidal

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therefore she is high risk

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if she were to leave and kill herself

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you and the hospital would be liable

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you know she may not get to your next bed

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but this case really illustrates process and trash

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categorization subtle days

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some institutions will have a place for these patients

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others have protocols

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that require the triage nurse to immediately call for

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standby or for somebody to observe her

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and possibly notify a crisis worker

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or a psychiatric liaison

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and other institutions

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may draw labs for medical clearance

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so

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we are actually doing quite a bit for these patients

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on arrival but the bottom line is she is high risk

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and take credit for it don't sweat it

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suicidal

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homicidal and psychotic patients are very high risk

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we now have a 76 year old female

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that tells you

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that she feels like she's gonna pass out

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she says you know

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I've been feeling weak and dizzy

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ever since I got up this morning

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and I don't usually feel like that

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I usually feel fine

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I'm really healthy and I don't even complain at all

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her SPR2 is 96 her heart rate is 32

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so what do you think about her a little weak and dizzy

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do you got something that we never see

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I think she's a level 1

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how come what kind of interventions does she need

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oh first off

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she's beta cardiac um

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and I don't know what her blood pressure is

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but she is dizzy and weak

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so most likely she could be hypertensive

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so she needs an IV line

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um possibly some atropine

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and at least external pacer pads applied

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right if her VP is okay

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I just leave the pads on and go for IB access

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but if she's hypotensive

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she may need immediate external pacing

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perfect she definitely is a level 1 patient

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she needs immediate hemodynamic interventions

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I think it's time for a pediatric case

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all right here we go

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parents rush into the emergency department

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with your 11 month old child

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he has a temperature of 103

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8 reports the mom

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he woke up from his nap

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cranky and he keeps pulling on his left ear

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the baby is sitting quietly on the mother's lap

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sucking on a bottle of juice

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he cries when you try to listen to his heart

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his temperature is 1 0

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2 6

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his respiratory rate is 30

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his heart rate is 1:28 his Romeo saturation is 100%

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so what do you think is he high risk

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I hate trashing the kids I just don't feel comfortable

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oh we see kids all the time

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this gets fine well

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how do you know that well

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look at him he's sitting there sucking down juice

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he looks great

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but he's got a fever of 102 secs

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but an antipartic will take care of that

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let's look at the algorithm under Decision Point d

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this is section under Vital Signs that discusses PEDs

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fever criteria

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there's actually a lot of very good literature

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on this topic

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if we go through the guidelines that are evidence based

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we'll see that

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if this child was less than 28 days of age

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no matter how good he looked

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he'd be at risk for serious infection

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and therefore would be at least an ESI level 2

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if he looked flacid or lethargic

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he'd be an ESI level one

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so moving up in the age group

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there is some controversy over how to manage a fever

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in the 28 day to three month old

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so depending on your institutional practice

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you could make a child in this age group

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a level 2 or three

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finally the 3 to 36 month old child

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the child in our scenario

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will probably be triage as ESI level 5

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in this age group the triage nurse

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first considers fevers greater than 102.2

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so you may uptriage for this high of a fever

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you know you should also consider

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if there's an obvious source of infection

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this child is tugging on his ear

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so there's a probable source of infection

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the triagenurist must also

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ensure

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that the child is up to date on his immunizations

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so this child could actually be an ESI Level 5

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again it's the nurse's judgment

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but all babies less than 28 days of age must be

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at a minimum ESI Level 2

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okay let's go back to the tape

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and see what other kind of cases we've got on here

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Kristen Kristen McKenzie

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come on in have a seat

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my name is Nikki I'm one of the nurses

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I need to ask you a few questions about

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what brought you here

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to the emergency department today

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I also need to put this on your finger

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and we'll take your temperature

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and your blood pressure okay

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all right so what brought you here today

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we're here in Boston on vacation

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my daughter has a history of asthma

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it's not bad

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but she needs to use an inhaler when she plays sports

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we're heading up north to go skiing

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and she forgot her inhaler

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I told her to pack it

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even put it on the bed next to her suitcase

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but she forgot okay

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so you're here for prescription refill

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yes all right

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Kristen how are you feeling

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any shortness of breath

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you feel like you're wheezing at all

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no okay good

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a healthy 10 year old with a history of asthma

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presents to the emergency department with her mother

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requesting a prescription for an inhaler

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this child meets ESI Level 5 criteria

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she needs to be seen by a physician

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have a prescription written

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and be discharged by the nurse

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if she had been wheezing a little

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she would need a handheld nebulizer

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treatment with a pre and post peak flow 1 resource

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making her an ESI Level 4

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a level 3

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asthmatic would be one who required a chest X ray

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or labs additional resources

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if this patient was wheezing significantly

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and in severe distress with a good oxygen saturation

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she would be ESI level 2 however

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if she was decompensating

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tiring and had an SPO 2 less than 90%

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and the triage nurse was concerned

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she would require immediate intervention

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she would meet ESI Level 1 criteria

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so what do you think about that case

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pretty straightforward what do you think

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sure

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okay I think the patient looks good

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I know we get a lot of patients in the Ed um

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that come in because either they ran out of medication

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um or they didn't have it a lot of times um

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we do see that and I do agree that she would

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this case would be a level 5

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you know I bet there's probably some nurses out there

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and some of us

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that wanna kind of read more into the case um

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but she doesn't have any soreness of breath

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she has absolutely no complaints

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another kind of example of the same thing

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as patients that come in with a different complaint

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and have a blood pressure that's up

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totally unrelated

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so don't make things more than they are

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she just wants a prescription refill that's a 5

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well if I was triaging her

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she told me she felt fine still

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but I would still grab my stethoscope

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and still listen to her just

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you know in case

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because of her history for asthma

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and because she's in a new area

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where the altitude or the weather is different

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so I'd still be you know a little cautious about that

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that's another great point

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you know

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can you think of any other patients who would be ESI

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Level 5 what about suture

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what about suture removal

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that seems very simple

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is that a procedure removing sutures

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no we don't count that as a resource oh okay

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that would be an ESA Level 5 definitely

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and you were saying

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I was gonna say a ration as an example

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yes many of those patients come in

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they just want to know what it is

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they got a medical exam and they're perhaps given P O

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medication and then discharged

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many of the time you know

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often it's discharge instructions

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that's really what they need

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what else couple more

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what about like

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adult that comes in with like a common cold

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because they couldn't sleep in the middle of the night

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they're tossing and turning

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they have no place else to you know

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they're not gonna sleep so they're gonna come in

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yeah sure

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as long as you don't think they're gonna need a lamp

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if they're gonna send a culture or throw culture

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and then they'd be one resource

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and level 4

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it's a couple more fives that are pretty common else

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earrings and children

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that's a good one okay

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a wound check wound check is a great one

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they come in all the time

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doesn't require any resources to set physical exam

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abrasion to the skin

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that's a very good example

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or minor cut that turns out not to need suturing

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another good one you know

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as I watch the scenario I felt bad for the mother

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you know here she is on vacation

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and has to bring her child to the emergency department

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for a prescription refill

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you know sometimes nurses need a really

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you know why are you here

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they question that and you know Paula

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I think we both agreed that

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you know there's nothing we can do about it

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these patients we want to see them

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and we want to try and streamline them

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through the department

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and I think it's nice to see a patient

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where we can offer preventative care

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for a change and also um

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like you said

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someone from from out of town that's stressed

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you know any patient that comes in

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we should look at

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as an opportunity for customer service

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good point and I felt kind of sorry for the little girl

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because I think she's gonna hear about this a lot haha

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even though it was her fault

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good point

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okay here's a new scenario

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here's a patient with a UTI

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so patient comes in and says

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I think I have a UTI it burns when I go to the bathroom

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and I'm going all the time and I only go a little bit

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this is a 19 year old patient

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who's had these symptoms for 24 hours

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she denies abdominal pain

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fever chills or any kind of vaginal discharge

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she's healthy no medications

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no allergies her vital signs are good 97

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8 80

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16 and 110 over 76

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so do we need a life saving intervention here

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I don't think so okay

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how about high risk criteria

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severe pain or distress

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not hardly how about just a urine sample

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uh sounds like a good plan

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does anybody think she's gonna need anything else

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well it depends on which physician is working wow

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I'm so glad you brought that up

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you know

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ESI is based only on the triage nurses judgment

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of how many resources

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she thinks the patient will require

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to get the patient to a final disposition

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whether that's home admission or transfer

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this judgment is based on her experience

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and knowledge of emergency medicine

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standard to care and institutional protocols

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physician practice will bury

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but ESI

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has shown that triage nurses do really well

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at predicting what patients will need

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and remember

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the purpose of predicting resources is only to help

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assign a triage category to the lower acuity patients

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the threes the fours

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the fives so

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if the story changes

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and the patient requires more resources

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that's okay

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you shouldn't triage differently based on how

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you know who's working

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how busy the department is okay

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so let's go back to the case

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sounds like a urine is all we need

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one resource level 4 patient

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but wait she's gonna need a pregnancy test too

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and we don't usually send our urines to the lab

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we just dip it and then treat when necessary

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let's talk about the pregnancy test first

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bedside testing if that's what your institution does

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doesn't count as a resource

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adding a pregnancy test

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doesn't change the number of resources

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lab counts as one resource

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regardless of the number of tests you send

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or the type of specimen for example

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blood or urine or stool

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so this is another

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great example of some institutional differences

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that are handled without a problem

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using the assign

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if the case you just discussed

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if the urine is never sent to the lab

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it is considered a bedside test

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does not count as a resource

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and the patient is a level 5

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if at any point that urine goes to the lab

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then we're back to ESI level 4 one resource

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let's do an eye case

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do you have a patient who comes in and says

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you know my eyes are just all red and crusty

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she's a 19 year old female

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she said she's had red itchy eyes for two days

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she has no medical problems

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she takes birth control pills

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has no allergies her vitals are 98 six 72

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16 and 1 22 over 76

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her visual cuties are 20 20 in both eyes

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so what do you think is going on with this patient

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she probably has conjunctivitis

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the red itchy

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goopy eyes absolutely

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now is that a higher situation

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oh no it's a very common complaint

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okay so now we have to move on to resources

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how many research

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do you think it's gonna take to get this patient

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out of the emergency department

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just one an eye exam

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okay and does that count as a resource

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well

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I looked no

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I guess not

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why not it's pretty important

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that's a great question when ESI was developed

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the researchers made some

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really thoughtful decisions about

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what does and does not count as a resource

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if everything that we did count as a resource

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we wouldn't have any level 4 or 5 patients

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every patient gets a physical exam

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so it's decided that physical exam doesn't count

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let me talk a little bit more about physical exam

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the patient who comes in with an eye complaint

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is going to need a slight lamp exam

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that is part of their physical

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it would be just like a woman with abdominal pain

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she would require a pelvic exam

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and again

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that's part of the physical exam of that patient

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so does this patient require any resources

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I guess not so what level is she

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well if no resources

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then I guess she's an ESI level 5 great

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so let's talk a little bit more about eye complaints

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this patient most likely has conjunctivitis

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which is a common complaint

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in which patients often seek treatment

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in the emergency department

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most I complaints often end up being treated as

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it's either yes I

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level 5 or 2 because they represent a high risk

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to the loss of eyesight

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well in this particular case is

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and this one's triage is an ESI level 5

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conjunctivitis is not an acute eye problem

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that is considered high risk

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what's another example of an eye complaint

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that might be an ESI

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level 5 what about someone that comes in

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complaining of something in their eye

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but has severe pain that's an excellent question

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so you have to actually ask two questions first

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is this a higher situation

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and second do they have severe pain

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well it's certainly not high risk

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people come in the Ed all the time

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thinking they have something in their eye

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but they have 10 out of 10 pain

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so that makes them meet the ESI Level 2 criteria true

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but you could put up pain in her eye

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the protocol states that

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in order to be level 2 criteria

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you have to have pain of 7 out of 10 or greater

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that you can't do anything about in triage

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so in this case

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we could put some topical anaesthetic in her eye

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to make her feel much better

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and then therefore we can make her a level 5

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but if your hospital doesn't have such protocols

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then I would make her a level 2 based on severe pain

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okay good

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let's talk about some examples of high risk

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high situations can you guys think of any

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how about a sudden loss of vision in one eye

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absolutely

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that could be central retinal artery occlusion

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or retinal detachment

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can you think of some other examples

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chemical splash definitely

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it's safe to

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assume that most patients with a chemical splash

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are going to require rapid irrigation

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an eye problem that requires irrigation

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but not necessarily high risk

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would require one resource

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and that would be an ESI level for a patient

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so those are both great examples

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but there's one more I'm thinking of

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can you think of something else

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how about trauma to the eye or foreign body like a nail

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absolutely patients have obvious trauma

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are at risk for a lot of injuries

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and obviously foreign bodies are really bad as well

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a high FEMA is another good example

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that should be considered ESI level 2

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another example of a patient with an eye complaint

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that's considered ESI Level 5

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would be someone with a foreign body

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sensation and pain to the eye

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often patients present

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either with something that blew in their eye

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or pain from contact lenses

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these patients usually have a corneal abrasion

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and again only require an eye exam

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these patients also complain of severe pain

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however

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if the triage nurse can instill a few drops of topical

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anaesthetica triage

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and decrease the pain

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then they meet ESI Level 5 criteria

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and finally this is an aside

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if possible

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it is recommended to obtain visual acuities at triage

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this is a really important

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vital sign for patients with eye complaints

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even more so than a temperature

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a pulse and respirations

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