Krystal And Saagar DEBATE Lab Grown Meat BAN
Summary
TLDRThe video script discusses the recent ban on lab-grown meat in Florida, signed into law by Governor Ron DeSantis. The ban is aimed at protecting traditional agriculture and cattle ranchers, but has faced criticism from the technology community, including venture capitalists who have relocated to Florida. Critics argue that the ban goes against regulatory approvals and is seen as anti-science and anti-tech. The debate also touches on the potential benefits of lab-grown meat, such as reduced environmental impact and the possibility of healthier, more sustainable food sources. However, concerns are raised about the potential for monopolization of the food system by tech giants and the lack of transparency in the synthetic food production process. The discussion highlights the need for further study and regulation to ensure the safety and ethical considerations of lab-grown meat.
Takeaways
- 🚫 Florida has banned lab-grown meat, a move that has sparked controversy and debate.
- 🤔 The ban is seen by some as a protectionist measure to safeguard traditional cattle ranchers and the integrity of American agriculture.
- 💸 Critics argue that the ban goes against regulatory approvals and is influenced by venture capital interests, including those who have invested heavily in lab-grown meat technology.
- 📈 Proponents of the ban, like John D. Rockefeller, view lab-grown meat as inferior and harmful, aligning with a stance that supports traditional farming and ranching practices.
- 🌱 The discussion touches on the potential benefits of lab-grown meat, such as reduced environmental impact and the possibility of more sustainable food production.
- 🧪 Concerns are raised about the long-term health implications and the ethical considerations of synthetic food production.
- 🌎 The ban is also framed within a broader cultural and political debate, with references to global elites and the World Economic Forum's stance on alternative proteins.
- 🔬 There is a call for further scientific study to ensure the safety and health benefits of lab-grown meat before widespread adoption.
- 💭 The principle of the Lindy effect is mentioned, suggesting that technologies and practices that have been around longer are more trustworthy.
- 🍖 The script highlights the current issues with industrial factory farming, including animal welfare, antibiotic resistance, and climate change.
- 🚨 There is skepticism about the potential monopolization of the food system by tech giants and venture capitalists, which could lead to a lack of consumer choice and control.
Q & A
What is the current stance on lab grown meat in Florida?
-Florida has banned lab grown meat. Governor Ron DeSantis signed a bill into law that prohibits any cultivated meat grown from animal stem cells.
Why is there a ban on lab grown meat in Florida?
-The ban is intended to protect cattle ranchers and the integrity of American agriculture. Critics argue it goes against regulatory approvals and is seen by some as anti-science and anti-tech.
What is the distinction between lab grown meat and plant-based meat like Impossible Meat?
-The ban on lab grown meat does not extend to plant-based alternatives like Impossible Meat, which are made from plant ingredients and do not involve animal stem cells.
What is the Lindy principle mentioned in the script?
-The Lindy principle, attributed to Nasim Taleb, suggests that the longer something has been around, the better it is. It is invoked here to argue against lab grown meat, implying that traditional methods of food production are preferred.
Why is there concern over the potential control of the food system by tech companies?
-There is a worry that tech companies investing in lab grown meat could consolidate control over food production, potentially leading to a lack of diversity and increased dependence on these companies.
What is the criticism of factory farming mentioned in the script?
-Factory farming is criticized for its inhumane treatment of animals, overuse of antibiotics leading to antibiotic resistance, and its significant negative impact on the environment and climate.
What is the potential benefit of lab grown meat?
-Lab grown meat has the potential to reduce the environmental impact of meat production, decrease the reliance on factory farming, and possibly offer a more sustainable and ethical alternative to traditional meat.
Why is there a backlash against the ban on lab grown meat among the technology community in Florida?
-The technology community, including venture capitalists who have moved to Florida, is upset with the ban as they view it as anti-science and anti-tech, potentially hindering innovation in the food industry.
What is the role of subsidies in the current food system?
-Subsidies play a significant role in the current food system, often benefiting large factory farming operations. There is a suggestion that these subsidies could be redirected towards promoting whole foods and sustainable farming practices.
What is the concern about the potential health implications of lab grown meat?
-While lab grown meat has the genetic indications of being similar to traditional meat, there are concerns about whether it can fully replicate the nutritional benefits of naturally raised animals, and the long-term health implications are unknown.
How does the ban on lab grown meat relate to the broader cultural and political discussions?
-The ban is tied to a culture war narrative, where it is positioned as a defense against perceived elite interests and a symbol of resistance to globalist agendas, despite the potential benefits of lab grown meat in terms of sustainability and animal welfare.
Outlines
🚫 Florida Bans Lab-Grown Meat: The Controversy Explained
The first paragraph discusses the recent ban on lab-grown meat in Florida, signed into law by Governor Ron DeSantis. The law is aimed at protecting traditional agriculture and cattle ranchers, and is not applicable to plant-based alternatives like Impossible Meat. Critics argue that the ban contradicts federal regulatory approvals and is seen as anti-science and anti-tech by the technology community, including venture capitalists residing in Florida. The speaker also mentions an investment by Jeff Bezos in a lab-grown meat company and expresses concerns about the potential monopolization of the food industry by tech giants.
💡 Lab-Grown Meat: A Potential Solution to Factory Farming Issues?
The second paragraph delves into the potential benefits of lab-grown meat as an alternative to the current industrial factory farming system, which is criticized for its animal welfare issues, overuse of antibiotics, and negative environmental impact. The speaker acknowledges the concerns about lab-grown meat but suggests that the technology could offer a more sustainable and healthier food source. They also argue against the preemptive ban, stating that it seems more like a culture war move rather than a genuine concern for health or the environment.
🤔 The Skepticism Around Lab-Grown Meat and Its Future
The third paragraph expresses skepticism about lab-grown meat through the lens of the Lindy principle, which suggests that older, established methods are more reliable. The speaker is uncomfortable with the idea of synthetic food production and questions the potential control that tech companies could have over the food supply. They also discuss the current state of the food system, with a focus on the prevalence of factory farming, and argue for a more comprehensive approach to improving the food system, such as addressing subsidies for unhealthy food products.
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Keywords
💡Lab grown meat
💡Governor Ron DeSantis
💡Cultivated meat
💡Plant-based meat
💡Factory farming
💡Antibiotic resistance
💡Climate impact
💡Lindy principle
💡Jeff Bezos
💡Food system consolidation
💡Culture war
Highlights
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has banned lab grown meat in the state, citing concerns from the cattle ranching industry and the integrity of American agriculture.
The ban does not apply to plant-based meat alternatives like Impossible Meat.
Critics argue the ban goes against regulatory approvals for lab grown meat and is anti-science and anti-tech.
Jeff Bezos has invested $60 million in a lab grown meat company.
Senator John Fiedler supports the ban, calling lab grown meat 'slop' and aligning with ranchers and farmers.
The guest argues lab grown meat is dystopian and against the Lindy principle of favoring older, established methods.
Factory farming and its environmental impact, use of antibiotics, and animal welfare concerns are major problems today.
The ban is driven more by financial interests in factory farming and culture war politics than genuine health concerns.
Lab grown meat has the potential to greatly benefit the environment, animal welfare, and human health.
The technology is still in early development and should be studied further rather than outright banned.
Banning lab grown meat is more about culture war signaling and protecting factory farming interests than health.
Regenerative farming and buying local, sustainably raised meat can help mitigate the climate impact of meat production.
The guest expresses skepticism that lab grown meat can fully replicate the nutritional benefits of naturally raised animals.
There are concerns lab grown meat could further consolidate control of the food system in the hands of a few tech companies.
Instead of banning lab grown meat, the focus should be on reforming subsidies for unhealthy, processed foods.
The guest believes lab grown meat represents dangerous hubris and a lack of respect for the natural process of raising animals for food.
Transcripts
at the same time the segment everybody's
been waiting for lab grown meat really
built this puppy up didn't we let's put
it up there on the screen Florida Ronda
Sanz has banned lab grown meat as other
states we a ban quote what's their beef
with cultured meat good headline there
from USA Today Governor Ron Santa signed
into law this bill which gr bans any
quote cultivated meat because it is
grown from animal stem cells he says
take your fake lab grown meat elsewhere
we're not doing that in the State of
Florida to be clear the ban does not
include things like impossible meat
which is made from plant-based
ingredients and is meant to protect
cattle ranchers and the Integrity of
American agriculture now critics have uh
come after Governor DeSantis saying that
uh it goes against regulatory approvals
that came in through the US just a year
ago there's actually been a huge
backlash Crystal it you'll find funny to
know amongst the technology Community
there's a lot of venture capital who
move to Florida who are very pissed off
they are calling this anti-science and
anti-tech however there have been I
think I saw like Bezos invested a m
that's right Bezos just invested a lot
of money this is the point against me I
shouldn't have brought that up uh Jeff
Bezos invest about $60 million in a lab
grown Meat Company uh he has picked up
though some interesting fellow Travelers
in the movement let's put this up there
on the screen John fedman has supported
Ronda sanz's lab grown meat band saying
quote the fake meat is slop and he says
it pains me deeply to agree with crft
and burn Ron but I co-sign this as a
member picture of Health both fetman and
d s okay now that doesn't necess mean
anything says as a member of Senate
agricultural Democrats and as some dude
who would never serve that slop to my
kids I stand with American ranchers and
Farmers so uh this is picked I guess
it's an interesting discussion which we
wanted to have here about lab grown meet
so I will at least give uh my
perspective and my advocacy for the bill
now I think it is a fair just a preempt
any criticism like why wouldn't you say
this about Factory meat I agree with you
I think Factory meat is poison I was
telling you uh us meat is actually
banned in 160 countries because of a lot
of the additives that we put in there
many of the ways that we have our in our
meat Supply Tyson's foods and all this
is repulsive and disgusting and if you
have the ability I would genuinely urge
you to not eat it and to try and either
Buy Local meat which is uh pasture
raised organic grass-fed Etc from people
who actually both treat animals well
Harvest them sustainably and responsibly
I understand it's more expensive not
everybody can afford it that's part of
the the curse though has been uh Factory
and you know vertically integrated meat
production here in the United States now
the reason I'm against lab grown meat
and all of this is I believe very
strongly in a principle called the Lindy
principle this was uh you know by Nasim
TB and the idea is basically like the
longer it's been around the better it is
and there is just something deeply
dystopian and terrible to me about the
ideas of like uh the future technology
companies like these Tech Guys Jeff
Bezos and others not just owning land
where food production actually happens
but synthesizing meat and then possibly
I mean who knows what you're even going
to put into it I mean just imagine you
know our current vegetables already are
not even real vegetables they're like
genetically modified and they have all
this crap in them to make them last
longer in the freezer car on the way
from Chicago or whatever to over here
and it's like more that we do that I
understand is better for feeding 8
billion people at scale so I'm not going
to criticize it I guess in that way but
I don't think it is healthy and moving
more in that industrialized food uh way
and it's also stripping away you know uh
uh the tradition and I think the
benefactor of cattle ranching and trying
to move to a pre-1960s food market which
what I would like to see I'm supportive
of the measure anyway with all that out
said yes so there first let's talk a
little bit of background the two things
that are really driving this move to ban
lab grown meat which by the way what
this is is I mean not that I really
understand the process but they take
some stem cells yes exactly from an
animal animal's not harmed and they're
able to use amino acids to basically
like grow actual meat out of these stem
cells which is extraordinary right and
has potential you can imagine the
potential massive benefits um because
the meat that we consume as sagur is
accurately pointing out is actually
really terrible and Industrial factory
farming is also really horrifying and is
bad obviously for the animals but it's
also bad for people you have this
massive use of antibiotics which has led
to you know stra antibiotic resistant
strains of infections um and that being
a problem you have even like right now
there's a bird flu situation that comes
directly out of the result of the way
that these factory farms operate and the
close uh integration with humans and
these factory farms which are disgusting
d Ian places these animals are tortured
from birth until the time that they are
slaughtered it's horrifying horrifying
situation and that's before you even get
into the climate impact okay so that's
number one number two as I was beginning
to say the reason this is happening now
is not because Ronda santis is deeply
concerned about the quality of the food
that our children consume it's because
number one there's a lot of money in the
factory farming industry that is
concerned about this and number two
Republicans made it into this like
culture War thing where it's like and
even Dan santis says in his bill like
the world economic Forum Elites want us
to eat fake meat and bugs and who cares
about climate change Etc so it's this
culture War issue that has the benefit
of also overlapping with a lot of big
money interests fedman I think picking
it up likely given his the demonstrated
level of corruption and how influenced
he is by uh money that is given or
withheld from his campaign I think it's
very reasonable to assume that may be a
factor for him as well but um yeah it's
not like the rest of our food system is
so pristine that it makes any sense to
single out this one potential Innovation
and then the other thing to say is this
is like this is a long way from coming
to fruition yeah that's definitely true
right it's it's still very early in the
development so you know I think we
talked the other day I think it was me
and Emily you were out about Lunchables
like to me things like that are probably
much bigger problem than lab grown meat
which has all of the genetic indications
of being just basically like meat so to
have a hard ban on this it's more
culture War signaling than it is actual
concern for anybody's health because if
you're concerned for anybody's Health
you have a lot more critiques of our
food system than you have sure but I
mean take where you can get right I mean
to me lab grown meat is the epitome of
the Jurassic Park mean uh your
scientists were so preoccupied whether
or not they could they didn't stop to
think if they should I mean the idea
look as we have seen with a lot of the
regenerative farming movement and others
that are out there you can actually
minimize a lot of the climate impact you
can actually raise animals sustainably
you can have much healthier meat and you
can even buy directly from the source
one of the amazing things about the
internet is you can buy meat online
today and you can get a ship to your
house from UPS you're going to pay maybe
15% more than you would buy at the
grocery store I I totally understand a
huge portion of the public cannot afford
that so I am not saying that it is
anywhere where it needs to be but
imagine if those people got the same
Federal subsidies that Tyson's foods and
Purdue farm and all these other people
are getting I mean that's a totally
different type of food system which we
could get to Pro technology in the way
that people could still get access to or
even better buy something locally which
is properly raised so I would I would
just say this lab grown direction is one
where look there's something both in
terms of the playing God but second I
just really believe and we're going to
talk we have a guest later who we're
going to be posting later on uh about
OIC and there is just there is this idea
of hubris where we seem to believe that
we can just synthesize amino acids and
that there isn't something intangible
over hundreds of millions or tens of
millions of years of evolution of an
animal being grown from birth to
wherever it is and then us eating that
animal protein that can just be
synthesized through a tube into uh into
something that we're going to eat and is
going to give us all the nutrients that
we could ever possibly want there's no
you know history of Medical Science that
shows you that like Western medicine
itself right now if you were to uh ask
me how to how to fix a bone they know
how to do that but they don't know what
makes us tick that's why nobody has ever
solved depression or you know why you
can't just take vitamins instead of
eating vegetables if it was that easy
then it would already have been done so
for me it doesn't pass the Lindy test at
all and I think we should stay the hell
away from I mean your take is just
basically like I assume all technology
is bad not all but a lot I mean and it's
very it's very dissonant with
other uh technological like Embrace of
you know the Apple Vision Pro and other
things that you're enhancing human life
and also it's it's very dissonant also
with your um you know your view that we
don't really need to worry about climate
change because science is going to solve
it well this is one area I mean what
it's like 25% of carbon emissions come
from food deliver it's very high
so okay this is part of science solving
the climate change crisis and making it
so that we don't have to make some of
the more dire trade-offs that some of us
fear that ultimately we'll have to make
so listen study it make sure it's safe
but to just have no evidence that it's a
problem and be like I'm going to band it
because I want to own the world economic
Forum Elites is just silly it's just
silly and like I said it's so different
than the way the entire rest of the food
system system is viewed it's just this
sort of like based on nothing
reactionary view that I believe based on
nothing this is going to be a problem
when you know it's nice that you can get
like your organic whatever small ranch
raised beef Etc
99% that's the stat I agree of animals
consumed for food production are factory
farms and it's horrible it's horrible
for the animals it's horrible for human
beings but I don't see Ronda santis or
John fedman upset about that of course
not because that's where they're getting
the money from that is being used to
drive this position and then also this
just like culture War virtue signal I
don't disagree I think there's also I
mean look I understand the whole world
economic Forum thing but really what
they are saying let's say the best faith
version of it is basically in a lab
grown system what does it mean it means
you have to go to a company in order to
buy your meat you can never actually be
fully sustainable or harvest something
if you wanted to yourself what why okay
because you people can still have their
own cow they can still buy their meat I
mean what if they outlaw that it's you
take a stand that but instead of saying
hey let's let's study it and see and
actually maybe this is healthier for
people maybe this reduces the cost of
meat so that people can have more Whole
Foods versus the like you know
Lunchables crap that they're eating now
rather than that you're just like let's
ban it before we even know uh I
understand what you're saying and I'm
not disagreeing that it is a culture
based argument I'm only telling you
where it comes from the skepticism again
I for me it doesn't pass the Lindy test
literally at all the idea that you can
just grow something in a lab and that's
going to replace it if that again if it
were true then vitamins would have
replaced all of vegetables but all
medical science would tell you that a
vitamin is not a direct you know uh is
not a direct substitute now could it get
there maybe but they've been trying you
know for what 40 50 years so on in this
case maybe they will get there but it
does seem like just look it makes me
uncomfortable the idea that these people
are trying to uh consolidate the food
system such that the food system is
already consolidated yeah but we can we
have some but we have some level of self
exit right now I'm saying what if we get
to the point where you have a total
control of the food system there which I
do think that there lot this is actually
competitor to the Consolidated food
system that's why there's a reaction
against it from the political class
because of these monopolists who want to
be able to continue their factory
farming with no alternative and have
Consolidated the marketplace that's
exactly the problem they don't want a
competitor well but they don't the
competitors who are coming in are Jeff
Bezos and the Facebook the VC guys who I
see tweeting about this on Instagram or
on TW sorry on Twitter who are you know
multi-billionaires or have funds
themselves it's like Facebook taking
over the Monopoly of newspapers like did
we win I mean like that's competition
not necessarily good competition like is
the new boss really as good as the old
boss or is it just basically the exact
same type of boss that we have here now
again is disantis corrupt uh do they
really care about the food system no
because they're from the top sugar
producing state in the whole country
like I I'm with you like I'm not saying
that it's not a good thing if we could
ban sugar we probably better off doing
that than we would with lab grown meat
or any of this other stuff we could go
after the agricultural subsidies and
Purdue and Tyson and all these other
companies and you know like Lunchables
which is I don't even know that doesn't
even qualify in my head as meat or hot
dogs or so many of these other things
with all these disgusting additives and
things like that hot dogs are a great
are a great Point actually yeah no
people are fine with hot dogs and you're
worried about this
okay look
I of hot dogs and I don't eat any hot
dogs period I'm not putting that poison
into my body yeah well listen if you
actually care about the food system I
you would do a lot more good rather than
Banning something that hasn't even
really been developed yet you do a lot
more good just like killing the corn
subsidies and the sugar subsidies and um
putting those subsidies instead towards
Whole Foods whole fruits vegetables meat
Etc um but for some reason political
class man interest I think that's a fair
point we were just trying to zoom out a
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