Cómo China y Rusia cooperan para crear un nuevo orden mundial

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8 Oct 202355:48

Summary

TLDREl guion ofrece una visión de la relación estratégica entre China y Rusia y su impacto en la seguridad global. Se discute cómo la dependencia de China en la importación de energía, principalmente de Rusia, fortalece su alianza, y cómo ambos países han beneficiado mutuamente en términos militares. El guión también explora la posibilidad de un escenario bélico conjunto contra Estados Unidos y la preocupación de los planificadores de defensa estadounidenses ante una potencial cooperación militar entre China y Rusia. Además, se abordan las tensiones en las relaciones fronterizas entre China e India, y la posición de Rusia en la expansión de la OTAN y el conflicto en Ucrania. El análisis concluye con la importancia de la autonomía estratégica y la necesidad de preparación para posibles conflictos futuros, subrayando la creciente influencia de China y Rusia en la dinámica global.

Takeaways

  • 📈 La dependencia de China en la importación de energía es alta, con el 70% de su energía dependiendo de importaciones, y Rusia puede ayudar significativamente en este aspecto.
  • ⚖️ La relación entre China y Rusia se ha fortalecido debido a la ayuda militar y la percepción compartida de un enemigo común: los Estados Unidos.
  • 🔄 Desde la década de 1990, la ayuda militar de Rusia ha permitido que las fuerzas armadas chinas se fortalezcan considerablemente.
  • 🤝 La cooperación estratégica entre China y Rusia incluye la realización de patrullas conjuntas en el mar y en la air, que demuestran una integración creciente entre las dos naciones.
  • 🛰️ La capacidad nuclear de China está en aumento, con predicciones de que aumentará significativamente su arsenal nuclear en las próximas décadas.
  • 🚧 La frontera entre China y Rusia, después de la desintegración de la Unión Soviética, se ha establecido como una prioridad para mantener la paz entre los dos países.
  • 💪 La ayuda de Rusia ha sido crucial para mantener la industria militar china, a pesar de las sanciones impuestas a China después de la masacre en Tiananmen.
  • 🔄 La economía de Rusia, debido a las sanciones, se está diversificando hacia Asia-Pacífico, con China como su principal socio comercial.
  • 🔄 La alianza entre China y Rusia podría representar un desafío para los intereses estadounidenses y la seguridad global.
  • 🌎 La expansión de las alianzas de seguridad de EE. UU. es un tema de preocupación para Rusia y China, quienes buscan cooperar para contrarrestar la influencia estadounidense.
  • ⏰ La guerra en Ucrania y la creciente presencia de China en el Asia-Pacífico representan desafíos para la planificación de defensa de los Estados Unidos y sus aliados.

Q & A

  • ¿Cuál es la dependencia de China en la energía importada y cómo puede ayudar Rusia en este aspecto?

    -El 70% de la energía de China depende de la importación y Rusia puede ayudar de manera significativa en este aspecto, posiblemente aportando recursos energéticos y diversificando las fuentes de energía para China.

  • ¿Cómo ha beneficiado la cooperación entre Rusia y China en términos militares?

    -La cooperación entre Rusia y China ha beneficiado enormemente a las fuerzas armadas chinas, especialmente después de la década de 1990, proporcionándoles tecnología y equipo militar avanzado.

  • ¿Por qué la relación entre China y Rusia es considerada crucial por parte de los Estados Unidos?

    -La relación entre China y Rusia es vista como crucial porque ambos países pueden combinar sus planes de guerra para crear una fuerza muy eficaz en el objetivo de los Estados Unidos, lo que podría representar una amenaza considerable.

  • ¿Qué factores podrían llevar a una situación en la que los Estados Unidos tenga que planificar para una guerra con China y Rusia trabajando juntas?

    -Un factor clave sería una maniobra militar grande de Rusia o un aumento de la tensión en Ucrania coincidiendo con un movimiento de China hacia Taiwán, lo que podría poner a los planificadores de defensa de EE. UU. en una difícil posición.

  • ¿Cómo se describe la relación entre China y Rusia en términos de recursos naturales y tecnología?

    -Rusia tiene abundantes recursos naturales y necesita capital y tecnología, mientras que China es lo contrario; tiene tecnología y capital pero necesita recursos naturales, lo que hace que la alianza sea un 'matrimonio natural'.

  • ¿Cómo ven los líderes chinos la expansión de la OTAN y la influencia de los Estados Unidos en la región?

    -Los líderes chinos ven la expansión de la OTAN y la influencia de los Estados Unidos como una amenaza y una forma de dominio, lo que los lleva a buscar aliados y tácticas para contrarrestar esa influencia.

  • ¿Qué papel desempeña la sanción económica en la relación entre Rusia y China?

    -Las sanciones económicas impuestas a Rusia por Occidente han llevado a Rusia a diversificar su economía hacia Asia-Pacífico, donde China se ha convertido en un socio clave, proporcionando un mercado para los recursos y la tecnología que Rusia necesita.

  • ¿Cómo podría la creciente alianza entre Rusia y China afectar a la India?

    -La creciente alianza entre Rusia y China podría tener consecuencias negativas para India, especialmente si Rusia decide apoyar abiertamente a China en cuestiones multilaterales, lo que podría desestabilizar la región y aumentar la tensión entre India y China.

  • ¿Qué estrategia está considerando China en su relación con Rusia durante la guerra en Ucrania?

    -China está manteniendo una posición de no violar las sanciones impuestas y no proporcionar bienes militares que podrían ayudar significativamente al esfuerzo militar ruso, pero al mismo tiempo, apoya a Rusia económicamente, lo que les permite continuar la guerra.

  • ¿Cómo podría la tecnología de misiles de crucero sigilosos afectar la estabilidad en la relación entre Rusia, China y los Estados Unidos?

    -La tecnología de misiles de crucero sigilosos podría acortar el tiempo de toma de decisiones en una crisis, aumentando el riesgo de una respuesta rápida y posiblemente un conflicto armado si se sospecha que el otro lado está a punto de发动攻击 (atacar).

  • ¿Por qué los Estados Unidos deberían mantener abiertas las posibilidades de tener conversaciones de control de armas con China?

    -A medida que China se vuelva más confiable en su poder y capacidades nucleares, es posible que esté más dispuesta a tener conversaciones de control de armas, lo que podría ayudar a prevenir un posible brazo de armas y garantizar la estabilidad global.

Outlines

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😀 Alianza estratégica entre China y Rusia

Se discute la relación estratégica entre China y Rusia, destacando la dependencia energética de China y cómo Rusia puede ser de ayuda. Se menciona que el 70% de la energía de China depende de importaciones y cómo la cooperación militar entre ambos países ha beneficiado a las fuerzas armadas chinas. Además, se explora la idea de que ambos países podrían unir sus planes de guerra para hacer frente a los Estados Unidos, y se cuestiona si es necesario planificar para un posible conflicto bélico.

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🚀 Desarrollo militar y cooperación Sino-Rusa

Se aborda el crecimiento del ejército chino, que ha sido posible gracias a la importación de tecnología militar rusa desde la década de 1990. Se destaca la importancia de la relación entre Moscú y Pekín en la resolución de disputas territoriales y el enfoque en la cooperación mutua. Además, se menciona el papel de Rusia como proveedor de hardware militar después del colapso de la Unión Soviética y la ventaja que China ha obtenido con la adquisición de tecnología sofisticada.

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🌍 Control de Ucrania y la visión de Putin

Se analiza la obsesión de Putin con el control de Ucrania y su percepción de que sin él, Rusia no sería una gran potencia. Se cuestiona por qué la dominación de una nación de 40 millones de personas es vital para la prosperidad y seguridad de Rusia en el siglo XXI, y se refleja en la creencia de Putin en la importancia de esta cuestión.

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🔄 Redistribución de poder global y la ascensión de China

Se habla sobre la visión de China para convertirse en la principal potencia mundial para el bicentenario de la fundación del Estado Popular de China en 2049. Se discute cómo las tensiones con los Estados Unidos, la creciente presión sobre Taiwán y la formación de alianzas alrededor de China afectan la inseguridad de este país. Además, se explora la animosidad compartida hacia los Estados Unidos como el factor unificador entre China y Rusia.

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🤝 Relaciones personales entre líderes y su influencia

Se destaca la importancia de las relaciones personales entre los líderes de Rusia y China, comparando sus experiencias y trayectorias similares. Se sugiere que estos vínculos personales son cruciales para la cooperación entre los dos países y se menciona la importancia.

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Keywords

💡Energía de China

El término 'energía de China' se refiere a la dependencia de China en las importaciones para su consumo energético. En el video, se menciona que el 70% de la energía de China depende de las importaciones, lo que indica la importancia estratégica de la cooperación energética para el país.

💡Cooperación militar

Este concepto se relaciona con el beneficio que la fuerza armada de China ha obtenido a través de la importación de tecnología y hardware militar de Rusia. El script destaca cómo la cooperación militar ha fortalecido a las fuerzas armadas chinas.

💡Alianza entre China y Rusia

La alianza entre China y Rusia es un tema central en el video. Se discute cómo ambos países ven un valor estratégico en su asociación para contrarrestar la influencia de los Estados Unidos, y cómo esta relación se basa en intereses compartidos y en la percepción de una presión común de parte de Occidente.

💡Planificación militar conjunta

Este concepto se refiere a la posibilidad de que China y Rusia puedan estar coordinando sus estrategias militares para hacer frente a los Estados Unidos. El video sugiere que la planificación militar conjunta podría representar una amenaza significativa para los intereses estadounidenses.

💡Escalada en Ucrania

La 'escalada en Ucrania' es un evento mencionado en el video como un posible escenario que podría poner a los planificadores de defensa de los Estados Unidos en una situación difícil, especialmente si coincide con movimientos por parte de China en el Estrecho de Taiwán.

💡Control de Putin sobre Ucrania

El deseo de Putin de controlar Ucrania se destaca como una obsesión que influye en la política exterior de Rusia. El video sugiere que para Putin, el control sobre Ucrania es esencial para mantener el estatus de una gran potencia y un imperio.

💡Superpotencia global de China

El término 'superpotencia global de China' alude a los objetivos de China de convertirse en el número uno a nivel mundial, como se menciona en relación con el centenario de la fundación de la República Popular China en 2049. El video discute cómo China busca un redistribution de poder global.

💡Tarifas y presiones de Trump

Las 'tarifas y presiones de Trump' se refieren a las acciones comerciales y políticas implementadas por el entonces presidente de los Estados Unidos, Donald Trump, que pusieron presión sobre China en una variedad de cuestiones, incluida Taiwán, y que generaron ingresos significativos a través de tarifas.

💡Alianzas de los Estados Unidos

Este concepto describe cómo los Estados Unidos han formado alianzas en la región del Pacífico Asiático, en particular la Quadrilateral Security Dialogue (Díade Cuádruple) con India, Japón y Australia, para equilibrar la influencia de China.

💡Desafío de India con China

El 'desafío de India con China' hace referencia a la tensión y el conflicto en las relaciones entre India y China, especialmente en relación con los incisos en la frontera y la percepción de China como una amenaza existencial para India.

💡Armas nucleares y planificación

Este concepto abarca la discusión sobre el crecimiento de los arsenales nucleares de China y la posibilidad de una planificación nuclear compartida entre Rusia y China, lo que podría representar una amenaza a los intereses occidentales y cambiar la dinámica de la estabilidad nuclear global.

Highlights

70% of China's energy depends on imports, and Russia can significantly help in this area.

China's military has greatly benefited from Russian military imports since the 1990s.

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nuclear Powers but focusing elsewhere is

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10 and Men massacre in 89 and Russia was

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military technology and China obviously

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the Russian view is that the US wants to

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bring down Russia first and then add

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rest China that's something what the

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conspiratorial minded Russian leadership

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of their calculations also including war

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physical sense about expansion of US

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security alliances and where they seek

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and Russia have uh voted together now to

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not impose more sanctions uh on North

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Korea they don't uh want to continue to

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implement uh these sanctions so they see

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North Korea as continuing partner of uh

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Russia and

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China this would protect themselves

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because they could control the further

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control the amount of information coming

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gain advantages in the ways that cyber

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war in Ukraine it's a mixed bank for

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China on one hand it's really keeps the

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US distracted a lot of resources are

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being spent on European security the

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flip side is that the global economy

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gets more destabilized then also China

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China and then when people say we should

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focus more on potential nightmar

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scenario in the Taiwan Strait because of

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what happened in Ukraine and we need to

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start to dur risk diversify way frore

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offshore uh so all of that discussion is

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Amplified by Russia's war in

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Ukraine

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China would not give Russia an article 5

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type of guarantee because it would

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ultimately need to be involved in war in

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Ukraine which it doesn't want to if

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China uh provided military assistance to

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Russia then we probably were going to

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have a uh really the dawn of the third

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world war with China Russia standing on

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one side and uh NATO that by us on the

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other side this is the worst the

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nightmare so so

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China's nonp participants yeah in this

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kind of war is is out of its own

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interest of course but it is also has

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demonstrated huge huge responsibilities

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for the

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world

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I think that the way that c came to

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Moscow showing his unequivocal support

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basically not saying that he approves of

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the war against Ukraine but saying that

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the first state visit is to Russia he

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comes extra to see his friend in the Kum

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spend nearly 3 days with him that's a

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big show of

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support both countries are religious

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about strategic autonomy but they can

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integrate their militaries and

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military-industrial complexes without

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giv this formal commitments and that

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will make it far more

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dangerous

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there had been some rumors that we were

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under counting the number of nuclear

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launchers in China

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we had seen some construction of a

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limited number of silos at a um concepts

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of operation site um at a place called

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ganai a silo is effectively a large

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reinforced hole in the ground that you

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can um launch a missile out of and so we

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decided we're going to go basically look

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for to see if they had built up

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significant numbers of those

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um patterns of silos and we finally came

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um where they're building about 120

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solid fuel missile

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silos you had these inflatable covers

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all of them were spaced 3 km apart and

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we saw um trenches for communications

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wiring to cut and cover underground

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command

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buers well China's Arsenal uh has been

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for a very long time uh relatively small

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but it is growing and by 20 uh 30 I

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think the prediction is that they will

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have about 1,000 warheads and by the

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middle of the

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2030s uh as many

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as500 so uh China is is clearly on a

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trajectory of uh doubling and then

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tripling its nuclear

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Arsenal

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or most of China's existing ICBM that

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are currently deployed um are on mobile

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trucks they drive trucks around they

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have tunnels and the idea is that um it

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makes it harder for the US to Target

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them because they're always moving the

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problem with that is that it's a really

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really expensive and complicated Force

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to operate

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no

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it's just a much more responsive Force

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you have when you're it's already in The

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Silo if you are on alert most of the

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time you have a near instantaneous

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launch

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position we should not

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underestimate the degree to which Russia

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and China will work together for example

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um uh developing uh shared uh nuclear

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planning I think that's an area that

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would be extremely detrimental to

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Western interests their combined forces

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are going to outnumber us current forces

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um if the current trajectory

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holds and so the fear I would say is

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that you know the fear has been that

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China and Russia could combine their War

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plans and create an extremely effective

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Force for targeting the United

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States

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the question is whether we have to plan

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in the event that we had a war with

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China that China and Russia would be

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working together um and I think that in

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our nuclear planning in the past that

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has not been the Assumption and of

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course if you combine those two arsenals

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then we would be facing a massive

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threat in a situation which there is a

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crisis or limited war with China um

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making sure that there are still deterr

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Assets in place to make sure that Russia

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doesn't um do something in Europe or

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vice versa if there's a limited war with

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Russia making sure that China doesn't

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see the opportunity to DET take Taiwan

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that's the problem that we have right

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now when you have these new technologies

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like stealth cruise

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missiles you're getting into territory

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in which it's possible that you could

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destroy almost the entirety of the

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opponent's missile forces very

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quickly and when you're in that

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situation the solution is effectively

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that you need to be the first mover

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right so that's what I worry about

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situation which both for example Russia

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and the United States have stealth

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cruise missiles or both Russia and and

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China and the United States have stealth

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cruise

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missiles

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the room for decision making is very

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very short the window for decision here

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is extremely small and that's what I

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worry about and that's the stabilizing

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right because you have a situation in

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which now any amount of hesitation on

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one side would result in um possibly

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unaccept

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the United States first called for

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trilateral uh Arms Control discussions

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in the Trump administration of course

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the Chinese were not interested and I

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think it is unlikely that the Chinese

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are going to agree to that today today

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uh but going forward as China becomes

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more confident in its power and

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particularly in its nuclear capabilities

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I think we should hold open the

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possibility that we can have arms

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control talks with China it may be

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bilaterally it may be trilaterally but

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this is not something that we should

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rule

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out

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I don't think that we're currently in

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that big of an arms race I think it's

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possibly we might enter one sometime

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soon but again that depends I think

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largely in part on a how bad the Russ

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situation gets and two

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how China views its forces and how they

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want to talk about it cuz if China

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doesn't want to talk about it then that

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limits a lot of what we can do I'm

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hopeful that China will'll talk about it

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um but we'll

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see

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EST

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e 60 years of Border architecture went

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up in Flames overnight uh since then

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there has been significant uh troop

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build up by both sides um and this is a

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live

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problem when uh prime minister modi's

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government first came into power they

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really tried hard to reach out to

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China we often heard of the China model

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of development being touted in India um

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really a hope of uh forging good ties

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and relationships with with China um

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however that was spurned from the

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Chinese side when we almost

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simultaneously with these meetings

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started seeing more incursions on the

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India China

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border

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in Sri

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Lanka in

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Bangladesh all they see is now patterns

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of um intimidation and an aggression

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followed by China with most of its close

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neighbors where Japan of course with the

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case of Taiwan in South China Sea and

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now on the Himalayan

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border what kind of international actor

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would China be as it rises um and the

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answer unfortunately is quite um is is

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is a difficult one it's a scary one you

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have seen now the conversation in India

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change completely within the political

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Spectrum there is no single political

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party that sees China as a friend China

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is seen as the most consequential

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foreign policy issue an existential

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threat to

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India the Indi Russia relationship I

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like to say is one deeply rooted in

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Nostalgia um Russia previously the

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Soviet played a very important role in

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the history of Independent India India

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as it was building its institutions

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including the Indian military so for

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example my parents generation have a

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very uh romanticized view of the

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country

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it is definitely moving into the

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direction of Moscow being Junior partner

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to Beijing and that really is a

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difficult scenario for India given that

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China is the most important threat India

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faces right now La

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India

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Shai I've even spoken to certain folks

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in New Delhi who mentioned that they

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were surprised by Russia's Behavior

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they've been surprised at how openly

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Russia has been batting for Chinese

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positions in these multilateral formats

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where in the past Russia would often

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hedge with India they would use India

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they brought India into SEO to balance

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China the reality

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of conventional War I mean it's not

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something of the past it can still

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happen it happened in Europe it can

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happen in in parts of the Indo Pacific

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and I think that is something Taiwan

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contingencies what happens next on the

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amalian border that is something we need

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to be preparing for now rather than

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waiting for it to happen or hoping that

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it wouldn't that Russia could

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potentially play a spoiler role in the

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case of um when the India China conflict

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On the Border heats up even if it

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doesn't play spoiler it plays neutral it

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can still have you know tilt the scales

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in China's favor um and those are really

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dire

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consequences possibility of a Pakistan

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Russia China access for India is really

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the nightmare scenario given its

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geographical location given its history

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with at least two of these actors given

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its dependence on Russian uh weapons and

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arms and Military

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technology as Russia China alignment

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grows closer and stronger there will

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certainly be tensions and fraying in

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India Russia

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ties the real push in Delhi right now is

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to make sure somehow slow down this

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growing alignment between Russia and

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China and to see where India can still

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play a role in keeping Moscow separate

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and keeping them engaged and slowing

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down this what through the rest of us

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seems inevitable

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process

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prime minister modi's visit to

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Washington DC resulted in some takeaways

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for India which are often only given to

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us allies India is not one but it is

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still has still developed a very very

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close partnership with the United States

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with Japan with Australia in the

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quad I think the Indian vision is still

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very much

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multipolarity um the idea would be to

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have several poles in the world uh which

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is another reason why it continues to

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work with Russia and hopes that it isn't

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isolated continues to deal with China in

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certain formats as well um but I think

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the the ideal vision of multipolarity

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when confronted with the realities of

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the world has meant that India has had

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to change track I think currently all of

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India's foreign policy choices its

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vision from the world is seen through

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the lens of the China problem um all the

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Partnerships that India has all

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relationships that India has is

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refracted through the China lens who can

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help balance China who can help compete

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with China who can help provide

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alternatives to

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China

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for

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China wants to be more as a guaran as a

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helper as a

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imediator uh as some kind of a you know

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uh convenor I mean anything that China

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is needed China will be willing do and

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China wants to see the War ending and

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China's president is talking to

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president zalanski has talked to

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President

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Putin Putin actually uh is not the first

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Russian president who won go against

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NATO expansion actually this k

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from a Soviet leader like mik gach down

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to borison and then to Putin so Putin's

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difference from uh his predecessor is

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that he not only give warning but he

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also carried it into

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action

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China well China certainly doesn't favor

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any NATO expansion if Ukraine stays out

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of the NATO probably things could be

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easier to reach a peace peaceful

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process

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China does at least three things it

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keeps the Russian economy going by

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purchasing Russian hydrocarbons and

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other Commodities by providing Russia uh

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access to

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R&B China keeps Russian industry going

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including military industry the red line

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for the Chinese communicated by the

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Americans is not violation for of

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sanctions in a very avert way and no

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supply of kinetic military goods that

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would dramatically help the Russian

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military effort I think that for the

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time being China Kips these two red

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lines and respects them but I think that

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everything outside of the scope is red

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lights is really helpful for Russia to

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continue this lengthy and tragic war of

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attrition

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I believe the best outcome

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is Ukraine will lose some new

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territories in addition to

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Crimea uh so where are these new

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territories it is somewhere within the

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provinces that are already declared by

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Russia to be Russian

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territories

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uh then the worst outcome is uh uh

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President Putin decided to use a

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tactical nuclear weapon and the whole

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mankind is at the Cross Road War peace

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we we may end up you know going back to

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the Stone Age and and you know the

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whever

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dangerous

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it feels pretty confident that time is

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on his side that things don't go well in

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the front lines but they don't go

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utterly miserably for him and then at

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some point the Western will to support

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Ukraine might be broken we might have

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Donald Trump back we might have a

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different president in France we might

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have a different Chancellor in Germany

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and that's where ukrainians start to

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fight internally and that's ultimately

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he doesn't get control over Ukraine but

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he keeps what's left of Ukraine broken

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dysfunctional miserable depopulated and

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that's a good enough outcome that's his

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b right now there is a war yeah uh uh in

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Europe which will last for many years

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nobody knows how many years but this is

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the only conclusion we know that it was

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simply lost so for for for many years uh

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NATO will simply be buen down in Europe

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imagine that uh Russia does a large

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exercise or escalates in Ukraine at the

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time where China wants to make a move on

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Taiwan I think that what puts a lot of

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us defense planners into a tough spot

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because you obviously need to allocate

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resources to address the challenge in

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the West in in in

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Europe

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for concerned about potential

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instability in in Russia is going to be

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there going forward and Beijing will be

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watching this

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closely cing really views Vladimir Putin

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as a as a crucial partner in weakening

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the United States it is my view that it

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is no longer possible to drive a wedge

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between Russia and China if it was ever

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possible the view in Beijing is that

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China is in the spirit of prolonged

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confrontation with the United States and

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nothing short of full surrender will

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deliver fundamental Improvement in us

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China ties so China thinks about its

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relationship with Russia in a way in

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counterfactuals so what if we throw

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Vladimir Putin under the bus criticize

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his unlawful invasion of Ukraine uh

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introduce sanction of our own demand

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that he Vates all of the Ukrainian

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territory including in Crimea then

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probably Putin's regime is doomed at

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some point and it collapses and then

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there is a new government that wants to

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be friends with the West so the West

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will just pocket this concession and say

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thank you China good Boe now what about

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Shan what about Taiwan what about yourp

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theft what about your technological

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programs that really challenge the US

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dominance in those fields what about

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your military buildup so China will lose

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a very valuable partner and instead get

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even more problems with the United

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States

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for

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