Yayasan Sime Darby: 40 years of enhancing lives, delivering sustainable impact
Summary
TLDRIn this interview, Dr. Yakila Zainal Abedin, CEO of Yayasan Sime Darby (Sime Darby Foundation), discusses the foundation’s long-standing commitment to Environmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) practices. She highlights the foundation's efforts in areas such as education, environment conservation, and community health. The foundation's work includes reforestation, biodiversity preservation, and partnerships with local communities to tackle climate change and wildlife protection. Dr. Abedin stresses the importance of integrating ESG into corporate governance for long-term sustainability, even for smaller businesses and across Malaysia’s corporate landscape.
Takeaways
- 🌱 Sime Darby Foundation is the philanthropic arm of three major companies in Malaysia: Sime Darby Plantation, Sime Darby Property, and Sime Darby Berhad.
- 🏛️ The foundation's mission is to deliver sustainable value through five pillars: education, environment, community & health, sports, and arts & culture.
- 💡 The foundation has been actively engaging in ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) practices long before the term became widely recognized.
- 🌳 Key environmental initiatives include reforestation, biodiversity conservation, and species protection, such as efforts to rehabilitate orangutan habitats.
- 🐘 The foundation supports research and projects to manage human-elephant conflict, aiding co-existence and conservation efforts in plantation areas.
- 📚 The foundation provides scholarships to support environmental research and conservation, funding postgraduate studies in biodiversity and wildlife protection.
- 🌍 Sime Darby Foundation works with various organizations, such as Sabah Forestry Department, to restore degraded forest land and support wildlife conservation.
- 👥 ESG principles help companies become more sustainable, attract better talent, and gain investments by focusing on long-term social and environmental impact.
- 🏆 The foundation collaborates with NGOs, local communities, and government bodies to spread climate change awareness and promote sustainability efforts.
- 📽️ The foundation uses media and educational tools like documentaries to raise awareness about conservation and biodiversity issues, aiming to inspire protective actions.
Q & A
Who is Dr. Yakila Zainal Abedin, and what is her role in the context of this conversation?
-Dr. Yakila Zainal Abedin is the Chief Executive Officer of Yayasan Sime Darby (Sime Darby Foundation). In this conversation, she discusses the foundation's role in carrying out Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) initiatives and its ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) efforts on behalf of the three Sime Darby companies.
What is the mission of the Sime Darby Foundation, and what are its five main pillars?
-The mission of the Sime Darby Foundation is to lead and make a sustainable impact in the lives of others. The five pillars of the foundation are education, environment, community and health, sports, and arts and culture.
What role does ESG play within Sime Darby companies and the foundation?
-ESG plays a crucial role within Sime Darby companies and the foundation. While the companies have their own ESG initiatives for sustainability and ethical responsibility, the foundation uses part of the profits donated by these companies to further its own ESG work across various sectors. ESG is embedded in their DNA, and the foundation has been practicing ESG principles long before the term became popular.
Why is integrating ESG policies into organizational governance important?
-Integrating ESG policies into organizational governance is important because it ensures sustainability for the company, its stakeholders, and society at large. It addresses environmental conservation, social impact (e.g., diversity and inclusivity), and governance through transparency, accountability, and ethical practices. Companies that prioritize ESG can attract investors, gain employees, and create long-term financial and ethical resilience.
What specific environmental initiatives does the Sime Darby Foundation undertake?
-The Sime Darby Foundation focuses on tree planting, ensuring the survivability of trees, biodiversity conservation (e.g., orangutan rehabilitation), and supporting research related to conservation. They work with local governments and NGOs, such as Sabah Forestry Department and Nottingham University Malaysia, on projects like forest reforestation and human-elephant conflict management.
Can you explain the foundation's involvement with indigenous communities in its environmental efforts?
-The foundation works closely with indigenous communities by employing them as rangers to help protect biodiversity. These communities, who have a deep knowledge of the forests, play a crucial role in conservation work, such as patrolling and protecting endangered species. The foundation also provides these communities with sustainable livelihoods and educates them about the importance of environmental conservation.
How does the foundation approach reforestation and what successes have they seen?
-The foundation has undertaken large-scale reforestation projects, such as reforesting 5,400 hectares of highly degraded forest in Sabah, Malaysia. One success story involves the rehabilitation of orangutan habitats in this area. After 10 years of reforestation efforts, the forest is now thriving with wildlife, including orangutans, who have built nests in the trees.
How does the foundation support research in conservation efforts?
-The foundation provides scholarships for postgraduate research in conservation, supporting studies that aim to mitigate human-wildlife conflicts and develop sustainable environmental policies. One example is their work with Nottingham University Malaysia, where researchers focus on human-elephant conflict management to help plantation companies coexist with elephants.
What are some of the long-term benefits of companies embracing ESG practices, particularly for small and medium enterprises (SMEs)?
-For SMEs, adopting ESG practices can lead to long-term savings and profitability by reducing waste, conserving resources, and attracting top talent. While it may seem costly initially, investing in ESG can help companies build a sustainable future, making them more competitive and appealing to both investors and employees.
How can the government and society support the ESG movement in Malaysia?
-The government can promote ESG through tax incentives and awareness campaigns. Collaborations between government, corporations, and philanthropic organizations can help spread the message of sustainability. The Sime Darby Foundation suggests that knowledge about climate change mitigation and adaptation, especially among the underprivileged communities, is crucial for the ESG movement to succeed.
Outlines
👩💼 Introduction to Dr. Yakila Zainal Abedin and Yayasan Sime Darby
The host introduces Dr. Yakila Zainal Abedin, the CEO of Yayasan Sime Darby (Sime Darby Foundation), the philanthropic arm of three Sime Darby companies in Malaysia. The foundation focuses on delivering sustainable value through five pillars: education, environment, community and health, sports, and arts and culture. Dr. Yakila shares how the foundation implements CSR initiatives for these companies and its deep-rooted commitment to ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) values, emphasizing their long-term dedication to sustainability, even before ESG became a prominent term.
🌍 Importance of ESG Integration in Governance
Dr. Yakila elaborates on the necessity of integrating ESG considerations into organizational governance for long-term sustainability. She stresses that companies must prioritize environmental sustainability, social impact, diversity, and strong governance for their own survival and ethical responsibility. ESG policies ensure transparency, accountability, and positive outcomes, which, in turn, help attract investments and talented employees. ESG, she argues, is essential not only for profitability but for the greater good.
🌱 Impact of the Foundation on Environmental Conservation
Dr. Yakila focuses on the foundation’s environmental efforts, explaining how they address climate change through tree planting, biodiversity conservation, and environmental education. She highlights their work with the Sabah Forestry Department to reforest areas inhabited by orangutans, ensuring both environmental and species protection. The foundation also supports research and education on environmental sustainability, such as their human-elephant conflict management project. These initiatives demonstrate how the foundation pushes ESG agendas through conservation and research.
🐘 Conservation Efforts and Coexistence with Wildlife
Dr. Yakila provides examples of the foundation’s efforts in wildlife conservation, such as supporting research on human-elephant conflict management and collaborating with plantation companies to create policies for wildlife conservation. These initiatives help mitigate conflicts while promoting biodiversity. Additionally, she emphasizes the importance of engaging local communities and indigenous people in conservation efforts, offering them sustainable livelihoods by employing them as rangers and knowledge keepers in the forests.
📊 Corporate Malaysia’s Progress Towards Sustainability
Dr. Yakila discusses the overall progress of Malaysian corporations in achieving sustainability goals, with a focus on large companies like Sime Darby, which have been ahead of the curve in the ESG movement. She highlights Malaysia’s goal of achieving net-zero emissions by 2050, driven by the detailed strategies of these companies. However, she acknowledges the challenge of getting SMEs (small and medium-sized enterprises) to prioritize ESG, noting that it is often viewed as unimportant unless customers demand it.
💡 Encouraging SMEs to Embrace ESG for Long-Term Gains
Addressing SMEs’ reluctance to adopt ESG principles due to perceived costs, Dr. Yakila encourages them to start small by reducing waste, water usage, and carbon emissions. She explains that adopting ESG can lead to long-term profits, attract better talent, and create business opportunities. While large corporations like Sime Darby may receive more attention for their ESG efforts, SMEs must recognize the potential financial and environmental benefits of sustainable practices.
🌳 Government and Community Roles in Promoting ESG
Dr. Yakila explains the role of the Malaysian government in promoting ESG through tax incentives and awareness campaigns. She emphasizes the need for collaboration between government bodies, businesses, and philanthropic organizations to spread knowledge about climate change and sustainability. Additionally, the foundation works with NGOs and local communities to implement climate change mitigation actions, such as planting mangroves to prevent erosion and protect against floods. By educating poorer communities, the foundation helps them develop sustainable livelihoods.
🌿 Educating Communities on Environmental Sustainability
Dr. Yakila highlights the foundation’s work in educating the B40 (bottom 40% income group) communities about climate change and sustainability. By planting mangroves and restoring ecosystems, these communities not only combat the effects of climate change but also benefit from the resources mangroves provide. This work fosters greater awareness of the importance of environmental conservation while creating alternative livelihoods for impoverished communities.
🏆 Final Thoughts on Sustainability and ESG
In closing, Dr. Yakila stresses that it is never too late to start adopting sustainable practices, whether on an individual or corporate level. She calls for people to instill the values of ESG in their daily lives, organizations, and communities to ensure a brighter future for themselves and future generations. Her final message is a reminder of the importance of sustainable living and the need for everyone to take responsibility for the environment.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance)
💡Yayasan Sime Darby
💡Sustainability
💡Conservation
💡Governance
💡Reforestation
💡Biodiversity
💡Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR)
💡Climate Change Mitigation
💡Indigenous Communities
Highlights
Dr. Yakila Zainal Abedin is the Chief Executive Officer of Yayasan Sime Darby, the philanthropic arm of three Sime Darby companies in Malaysia.
Yayasan Sime Darby's mission is to enhance lives and deliver sustainable value through five pillars: education, environment, community and health, sports, and arts and culture.
Sime Darby companies have integrated ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) into their operations, focusing on sustainability and ethical responsibility.
Yayasan Sime Darby has been practicing ESG initiatives for over 40 years, even before the term 'ESG' was widely recognized.
The foundation focuses on long-term sustainability by addressing environmental conservation, social responsibility, and strong governance.
One of the foundation's significant environmental projects is the reforestation of 5,400 hectares of highly degraded forests in Sabah, Malaysia, benefiting local wildlife like orangutans.
Yayasan Sime Darby collaborates with institutions like Nottingham University Malaysia to fund research on managing human-elephant conflicts and promoting biodiversity.
The foundation involves indigenous communities in conservation efforts, providing them with sustainable livelihoods as forest rangers and environmental stewards.
The foundation actively supports research in conservation and biodiversity, including species-specific conservation efforts for elephants, proboscis monkeys, clouded leopards, and hornbills.
Education plays a vital role in Yayasan Sime Darby's conservation efforts, promoting awareness and stewardship of the environment through community engagement.
The foundation collaborates with the Global Environment Centre to combat coastal erosion and restore mangrove ecosystems, benefiting local communities and biodiversity.
Yayasan Sime Darby emphasizes that ESG is not only ethically essential but can also be profitable for companies in the long term, encouraging SMEs to start small with sustainable practices.
The Malaysian government offers tax incentives to promote ESG practices, aiming to achieve the national goal of Net Zero carbon emissions by 2050.
The foundation stresses the importance of companies adopting ESG principles to attract top talent, secure investment, and ensure long-term sustainability.
The foundation's work highlights the need for collaboration between the government, businesses, and communities to address climate change, biodiversity loss, and social challenges.
Dr. Yakila concludes that it's never too late to adopt sustainable practices, emphasizing the importance of instilling ESG values in everyday life to secure a better future for coming generations.
Transcripts
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ESG conversation show our guest for
today is Dr yakila's zainal abedin she's
the Chief Executive Officer of yayasan
sandabi Yaya Sunshine Dabi or sign Dabi
Foundation is the philanthropic arm of
three sign Derby companies which are a
large list of companies in Malaysia the
foundation's mission is to lead and
makes a sustainable impact and
difference in the lives of others now it
is dedicated to enhancing the lives and
delivering sustainable value through
three through five pillars which is
education environment community and
health and sports as well as arts and
culture now tell us more about signdabi
foundation and its ESG initiatives
welcome to the show Dr ayard
thank you Brian I'm honored to be here
today
um we are as you said the philanthropic
um we carry out the CSR initiatives for
three sign Derby companies and they are
signed Abby plantation burhad signed ABI
property berhad and Sim they all have
different different Industries
um and we help them carry out all the
work under ESG actually they themselves
have their own ESG initiatives in order
to
um to carry to be more sustainable for
financial
um what do you call it resilience as
well as you know to be more ethically
responsible and on top of all that what
they do in their
operations they don't need big sums of
their profits to us in order for us to
carry out all the good work under our
five pillars now you see the icons this
side of me they represent the Five
Pillars education we do so much uh for
uh scholarships as well as education
development work with schools we focus
on the underprivileged and the
environment uh there's just so much that
we do for the environment I can go into
it later community and health Sports as
well as arts and culture and now
everything that we do
is yes G actually the term of ESG
I like to say we've been doing it for so
long it's a term that's coined just
recently some years ago but we've been
doing all the work of ESG for so long
now environment as well as education we
focus so much on being the steward for
environment conservation for our three
donors and then social responsibility We
Carry Out in community and health
Sports arts and culture and governance
if you look at our mission as you just
mentioned just now we practice High
ethical values and good corporate
governance and in the philanthropic
um industry Malaysia I think we stand
out we are the lead in governance and so
ESG is within our DNA it is what we are
about all these years of operation or
operating we are 41 years old this year
and so here's the interesting thing Dr
Adela to Echo what you've just said our
research has just shown that essentially
yes you've been essentially ahead of the
curve in looking at ESG before the term
ESG was coined for the last 40 years
especially in the areas of of
philanthropy and also preserving the
environment could we then zoom in in
this ESG conversation around why is it
important for an organization or
companies to integrate ESG policies and
considerations into their organizational
governance structure oh my gosh
now in order for them to be sustainable
not only for themselves but as well as
their stakeholders and the World At
Large they have to think yes G
um and they have to think about how they
will need to sustain the environment in
order for them to operate as long as
they can and focus on social impact
social on diversity inclusivity
communities well-being as well as for
governance you know
um transparency openness accountability
Effectiveness outcomes under governance
so all this is so important for
companies to go ahead and last for a
long long time and with ESG
um
uh in what they do others will invest in
them it's easy for them to get you know
employees people joining them as good
employees
um and
um having all this in mind is just for
the greater good for everyone
that's why it's important so Dr yatila
perhaps we can out of your five pillars
let's because of this ESG conversation
zoom in on one particular one the
environment how do you make an impact as
a foundation
um on the environment in a positive
manner that basically that basically
ticks the boxes and pushes the envelope
of the ESG uh uh uh
the ESG movement across your three
different parent companies okay all
right now can I just talk a little bit
about
Malaysia as a country
all the philanthropic
corporations corporations
foundations as well as organizations
that have CSR in them we come together
under this the umbrella something called
gdrn okay
where we come together and we work to
complement each other and Not Duplicate
what we do towards the greater good of
ESG yeah
and uh there is there are three focused
areas
okay tell us about those three
initiatives how does that make an impact
all right so um Elmo is education
is
um
what is this humanity and sujatra is
well-being
now what yes
part of this big group of the whole
country looking at this overall for ESG
is
um for suggestion only also
under our environment pillar we look
into
conservation work on the ground itself
as well as education importance of
Education in environment I tell you
there's just so much that we can do with
education and awareness for environment
now to start with uh yes we've been
planting trees that's just cliche
everybody plants trees but when we plant
trees we ensure the survivability of
these trees making sure that these trees
live and uh to be the carbon sinks to be
um combating your greenhouse gas
emissions that's that's one thing that
we do another thing that we do is
biodiversity
reservation and how we do this is
we
use specific animal species and we carry
out conservation work for this species
and when you do these kinds of
conservation work indirectly other
species can gain for example now we work
with Sabah Forestry Department Saba is a
is a state in Malaysia
a reforesting
5400 hectares of Highly degraded forests
for 10 years
in a space that is full of orangutans
right so we're looking at orangutan's
Rehabilitation of their habitats
and because this area the wrong turns
cannot move because they're kind of
caught in that area because of this
River and orangutans cannot swim
so they have to live in this area and
when I went there more than 10 years ago
2010 it was just shrubs
and after 10 years of slogging it was
not easy to plant trees today when you
go there when I go there you see trees
with orangutan nests in them and you can
see light coming back to the forest so
all the animal species within there
also come back
while we are saving the orangutans while
with planting trees you see
and that is what we do in a con uh
conservation another thing is that we
also focus on uh giving out scholarships
for researchism
uh conservation now for example give you
an example
um we have been doing this project with
a Nottingham University Malaysia right
human elephant Conflict Management
co-existing with elephants right so
we've been supporting all these years
about 13
researchers postgraduate studies Masters
and phds in order for that for us to
come up with things that we can do
actions on the ground for example
policies for Plantation companies on how
to deal with human elephant conflict so
that we can conserve the elephants
so we start off with research
carry out the work with the communities
and now we even have a coalition of uh
oil pump Growers coming together to
conserve the elephants with policies in
built into their organizations and
that's such a good example of esgs
within organizations that's for work on
the ground putting boots on the ground
as well patrolling so important to
combat
um poaching of our animal species our
precious tigers as well as garu very
expensive you know tree species in in
the country so we worked with all kinds
of organizations in the states Sabah as
well as Pera to put boots on the grounds
and also while we are doing it
work with the indigenous people giving
them knowledge and employ them as
Rangers because they are the experts in
the in the forest they know they can see
they are our eyes and ears working with
the communities as well the engineers
committees because they are the most
near the forest you see so while we are
doing that we are also giving
a sustainable livelihood to the
indigenous communities as well as the
poor b40 local communities around these
areas now all environment education
oh there's just so much aside from the
research that we've been supporting all
these years uh that came up with for
example three state action plans for
animal conservation for the proboscis
monkey in Sabah for
Cloud leopard as well as bunting in
Sabah now we're working on hornbill
conservation in Sabah an action plan for
the government to implement
we also do things like coming up with
documentaries working with
um really
um
talented companies to come up with
documentaries for example if you go to
YouTube and you uh key inlaya
we have 52 short documentaries focusing
on our Enigma species Our Heroes in
conservation and even areas where we
have lots of biodiversity and
conservation work is going on
um and what the tagline is for layalia
is
um
which means when we are aware about it
we will love it and when we love it we
will naturally protect it
so that's what we do so many things on
the end the environment pillar but
that's just a little bit of what we do
so here's the thing Dr yatila this is
fantastic because just to summarize all
the things that you've done and just to
put it in two or three key points one
you're obviously uh have a huge uh
impact in terms of reforestation or
Rehabilitation of a 5400 track so that's
fine that's just one yes and you're
talking about Rehabilitation again of
animal species animal species living
together and coexisting with them yes
and this is a very important thing
because again one of your three parent
companies is a plantation company a
plantation company that is
um is primarily in in oil palm
cultivation yes and this is a message
that probably needs to get out into the
the the the world outside Malaysia
because people always think negatively
in terms of oil
plantations and they don't think of the
conservation aspects so it's really good
to hear that same Derby Foundation is
really uh pushing the agenda in this
space yes without people realizing as
much which brings me to my next question
and and obviously sustainability is a
key part of your DNA as a company and as
as the three companies now in the
Malaysian agenda the 12th Malaysia plan
the government has been starting to
really push that agenda now how do you
think the rest of Malaysian companies
are faring in the sustainability scale
I think we are doing very well
especially the big large companies like
the three-time Derby companies the
government linked companies as well as
um the
um an mncs yeah now our country has this
Net Zero by 2050 Target that everybody
is going towards you know three-time
Derby companies have their very
detailed strategies of how they are
going to assist the country to achieve
that objective of Net Zero but Dr yatila
so here's the thing right companies like
sign Derby are probably have very good
practices you were early in the curve
yes you're way ahead of the curve
probably close to being Regional leaders
in the ESG space but the rest of
Malaysia is not yes yes that means
especially the small medium-sized ones
exactly so what are your thoughts in
terms of how how the rest of the
government wants to promote this so what
what does the the community at large and
the the corporate Community need to do
in order to push the ESG agenda up the
level of importance most for most smes
as you pointed out that's not important
it's only important to them if their
customer tells them to do this do
something but ESG is not only about
doing the right thing it can also be
very profitable do you have some
examples of perhaps how you know of
maybe your parent companies have uh
basically in the pursuit of ESG
principles and and being able to
actually make money or save money
I see
now
it's all about long-term savings
is all about long-term making money and
that's what they are doing putting in
the Investments today
for a sustainable tomorrow now for smes
they would need to not be afraid as
smaller companies and companies that are
thinking maybe I I don't want to do this
because it's too expensive for me they
should start small
they should start small
um
um just for example having a mindset of
trying to do as much as they can to save
the environment to reduce to waste for
example to reduce the usage of water to
reduce carbon emission and with that
kind of mindset the best talent would be
you know drawn to them and best talent
would come to them and they would
actually have even better opportunities
to get more profits in in the long term
that's just a very small example of what
it can be but they should start small
they should not think about it's all
being about money yes yes
Foundation is about these three big
companies donating to us
and to do good for the environment for
the society with a high level of
governance
practicing ESG but others they should
not be thinking that it's just only
about money
and what do you think then you know
should the government do to promote the
basic principles of ESG across the
landscape really not only among the
corporate corporate Malaysia but also
among the society as a whole
number one they're already doing tax
incentives right it's the carrot
dangling carrot but also the awareness
having a important campaigns to open
everyone's eyes about how they can gain
for Implement by implementing esgs in
what they do on a day-to-day basis that
is what the government can be working
with us as well in philanthropy
to support the country in implementing
ESG for the greater good
now all this while it's been sdgs
the 17 sdgs and now it's ESG it's all
towards
the well-being of the world
at the end of the day so the government
will need to work together with all
organizations that are all their
stakeholders not only uh philanthropy
companies like us but also the
organizations they are actually carrying
our businesses
to to spread the word
to get for everyone to have knowledge
that for example climate change is upon
us
what we need to do is to minimize our
impact so that we can minimize climate
effect on us also on how we adapt what's
happening with all the drought as well
as the plots have mitigations all this
needs to be in place with the knowledge
that has to be instilled not many people
know especially the b40 communities
um
40 the pool the pool
how we work to spread the knowledge
about for example climate change we work
in pair up with an NGO called global
environment Center they're award-winning
They just won the medical award and we
work with this two communities in Pera
to plant Mangrove right because those
areas that we have identified very high
erosion rate risky already a class or
risk class one or something like that
for erosion and because of that you know
floods happen into the community
um all
um uh what do you call it the forests
all are depleted because of and also the
beaches are taken away because of the
water that comes because of the erosion
yeah so what we do is that we
train and give the knowledge to the b40
this community the poor communities that
if you plan this trees you will be saved
from the floods you can take off you can
get shrimp you can get crabs you can get
other stuff that you can produce from
the mangroves for your sustainability so
they have some sort of an alternative
livelihood because they're poor anyways
so now when we go there because of the
knowledge that we give to them they can
they understand the importance of
um climate change mitigation actions as
well as action by planting these
mangrove trees yeah and of course
there's a direct benefit for them
because there's a dollars and cents
benefit for them by restoring the
environment uh uh yes these mangroves
yes exactly and the Corpus that around
can see as well when the community is
saying hello here we have to have you
helping us to save our mangrove
you see so that the message while we are
giving through the government through
the organizations we can give this
awareness to the communities so that
they can make those noises to the
organizations that are operating around
them as well so that we can take care of
our environment together and that is
what is happening in Malaysia right now
we are addressing it from all angles
from the government giving tax
incentives from the awareness to the
organizations through philanthropy as
well as to the communities on the ground
it's been a fascinating conversation in
fact I've learned a lot and I just
realized how much time there'll be is
doing and making an impact but before we
leave any final words or thoughts you'd
like to share with the audience
okay so
um it's never too late to start we have
to live sustainably doing those small
small changes in our lives right oh now
daily lives as well as where we are
attached to our resident Association
our student alumni our
um uh what our company that we work with
we need to instill the idea that ESG is
so important for us to have that future
that bright future for us
for our children and for our
grandchildren after that yeah Dr yatila
thank you very much for coming on the
show
thank you pleasure now we've been
speaking to Dr yatila zainabiden the
Chief Executive Officer of Yaya Sunshine
Dabi or the sign Derby foundation on
bistax inaugural ESG conversation show
I'm Brian Fernandez this interview will
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