Motherboard Default settings could be COOKING your CPU!
Summary
TLDRIn this video, the host addresses a persistent issue with motherboards and CPUs, particularly Intel processors, where default settings can lead to excessive temperatures and potential damage. The discussion focuses on 'optimized defaults' that often result in higher voltage and power limits, causing CPUs to run hotter than necessary. The host demonstrates how these settings can be adjusted to adhere to Intel's recommended limits, thereby reducing temperatures and maintaining performance. The video serves as a guide for users experiencing high CPU temperatures and aims to educate on the importance of checking BIOS settings to ensure optimal and safe operation of computer hardware.
Takeaways
- 😀 The video discusses an ongoing issue with CPU and motherboard combinations that can lead to high temperatures and potential damage.
- 🛠️ NZXT's BL is promoted as a solution for building a gaming PC on a budget, offering pre-configured systems with Intel's 14th gen CPUs for improved gaming performance.
- ⚙️ The video highlights a problem with 'optimized defaults' on motherboards, which can lead to increased voltage and temperature limits, causing CPUs to run hotter than necessary.
- 📈 The issue is not exclusive to Intel CPUs but is more prevalent due to the widespread availability of unlocked and overclockable Intel processors.
- 🔧 The video emphasizes that ASUS is a significant offender, but other motherboard manufacturers also implement similar optimized defaults.
- 📊 The 'let BIOS optimize' feature often overrides Intel's default settings, leading to higher power limits and voltages that can cause excessive heat.
- 💻 The video provides a practical demonstration of how these settings can affect CPU performance and temperature, using Cinebench R23 and hardware monitor tools.
- ⚠️ The video urges viewers to check their motherboard settings, especially the Intel limits, to prevent unnecessary overheating and ensure they are getting the full performance of their CPU.
- 🔩 The script suggests that motherboard manufacturers should load Intel's limits by default to avoid misleading users about their CPU's performance and thermal capabilities.
- 📝 The video concludes with a call to action for viewers to share the information and educate others about the importance of checking motherboard settings to avoid thermal issues.
Q & A
What is the main issue discussed in the video script?
-The main issue discussed is the problem of motherboards applying optimized defaults that can lead to excessive CPU temperatures and power consumption, potentially causing damage or reducing the lifespan of the CPU.
Why does the script mention NZXT's BL and its configurator?
-The script mentions NZXT's BL and its configurator as an example of a tool that allows users to build a gaming PC on a budget, including the option to use Intel's 14th gen CPUs, which is relevant to the discussion of CPU performance and settings.
What is the significance of 'optimized defaults' in motherboards as discussed in the script?
-The 'optimized defaults' in motherboards refer to settings that automatically apply potential overclocks and changes to voltage and power limits based on the manufacturer's testing. This can lead to higher temperatures and power consumption, which is a concern raised in the script.
Why does the script focus on Intel CPUs for this issue?
-The script focuses on Intel CPUs because they are commonly overclocked and have unlocked multipliers, making them more susceptible to the effects of the 'optimized defaults' that can lead to higher temperatures and power usage.
What is the role of XMP in the context of the script?
-XMP (Extreme Memory Profile) is mentioned as a feature that some users might enable, but the script emphasizes that the issue of high temperatures and power consumption is often due to the motherboard's default settings, not necessarily because of XMP.
What does the script suggest users do if they experience high CPU temperatures?
-The script suggests that users experiencing high CPU temperatures should check their motherboard settings, specifically looking for and enabling 'Intel limits' to ensure the CPU operates within safe parameters.
Why does the script criticize motherboard manufacturers for their default settings?
-The script criticizes motherboard manufacturers for their default settings because they often enable higher power and voltage limits than necessary, which can lead to higher temperatures and potentially reduce the lifespan of the CPU.
What is the significance of the 'let BIOS optimize' setting as discussed in the script?
-The 'let BIOS optimize' setting is significant because it allows the motherboard to automatically adjust settings, often leading to higher power consumption and temperatures. The script argues that this should not be the default setting.
What is the role of Cinebench R23 in the script?
-Cinebench R23 is used in the script as a benchmarking tool to test the CPU's performance and temperature under different settings, helping to illustrate the impact of the motherboard's optimized defaults.
Why does the script mention the importance of ambient temperature in relation to CPU temperatures?
-The script mentions the importance of ambient temperature because it can affect the cooling efficiency of the system. A cooler room can help keep CPU temperatures lower, but the script emphasizes that high temperatures due to motherboard settings are a concern regardless of the room temperature.
What is the script's stance on the relationship between CPU manufacturers, motherboard manufacturers, and reviewers?
-The script suggests there is a point of contention between CPU manufacturers, motherboard manufacturers, and reviewers regarding the appropriate voltage and power limits for CPUs. It argues that motherboard manufacturers often provide more voltage than necessary, which can lead to stability issues and reduced performance.
Outlines
💻 Overclocking Issues with CPU and Motherboard Combinations
The paragraph discusses the ongoing problem of motherboards applying optimized defaults that can lead to excessive overclocking and increased temperatures in CPUs, particularly with Intel's 14th gen CPUs. The narrator emphasizes the need for motherboard manufacturers to load Intel's default settings to prevent users from mistakenly believing there's an issue with their cooling solutions when in fact, the problem lies in the BIOS settings. The video is aimed at educating viewers on how to identify and correct these settings to ensure their CPUs are not being pushed to unsafe limits by default.
🔋 Understanding Voltage and Power Limits in CPUs
This section delves into the contentious issue of voltage provision by motherboards, which often exceeds what the CPU requests, leading to higher temperatures and potential instability. The narrator uses Cinebench R23 and Hardware Monitor to demonstrate how voltage and power limits are adjusted in the BIOS, affecting CPU performance and temperatures. The video shows how setting the BIOS to 'let BIOS optimize' can result in higher voltages and wattage limits, contrary to Intel's recommended settings, and how adjusting these settings can lead to more stable and cooler operation.
🌡️ Managing CPU Temperatures and Power Consumption
The paragraph focuses on the practical demonstration of how adjusting BIOS settings can affect CPU temperatures and power consumption. The narrator disables the 'let BIOS optimize' feature and resets the settings to Intel's defaults, expecting the CPU to run cooler and more efficiently. The results show a significant drop in voltage and temperature, validating the importance of adhering to CPU manufacturer's specifications. The video serves as a guide for users experiencing high temperatures and unstable performance, advising them to check and adjust their motherboard settings accordingly.
🛠️ The Importance of Correct BIOS Settings for CPU Performance
The final paragraph wraps up the discussion by emphasizing the critical role of correct BIOS settings in achieving optimal CPU performance and thermal management. The narrator reiterates the need for motherboard manufacturers to adhere to CPU manufacturer's limits by default and encourages viewers to check their BIOS settings if they encounter high temperatures or performance issues. The video concludes with a call to action for viewers to share their experiences and to spread awareness about the importance of proper BIOS configuration for CPU health and performance.
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Keywords
💡CPU
💡Motherboard
💡Overclocking
💡BIOS
💡Optimized Defaults
💡Voltage
💡Thermal Paste
💡Cooler
💡Cinebench
💡Power Limits
Highlights
The ongoing issue of motherboards applying optimized defaults that can lead to high CPU temperatures and potential instability.
NZXT's BL configurator now includes Intel's 14th gen CPUs, offering increased core counts and speeds up to 6 GHz for enhanced gaming performance.
Asus is identified as a major offender in applying aggressive optimized defaults, but the issue is prevalent across various motherboard manufacturers.
The 'let BIOS optimize' setting can automatically increase power limits, voltage, and temperature settings beyond Intel's recommended defaults.
Users with high-end coolers are still experiencing CPU temperatures reaching 100°C due to aggressive out-of-the-box settings.
The video demonstrates how loading 'optimized defaults' can lead to significant increases in power limits and voltages applied to the CPU.
The importance of enabling Intel's default settings in the BIOS to avoid unnecessary overclocking and thermal issues.
A demonstration of how disabling aggressive BIOS settings can result in more stable temperatures and performance.
The video explains the relationship between voltage, amperage, and wattage, and how BIOS settings can affect these parameters.
The impact of high voltage settings on CPU performance and the potential for reduced performance due to excessive thermal throttling.
A comparison of CPU behavior under load with and without aggressive BIOS settings, highlighting the importance of proper BIOS configuration.
The video emphasizes the need for motherboard manufacturers to load Intel's limits by default to prevent user confusion and potential damage.
A call to action for users to check their motherboard settings if they are experiencing high temperatures and instability.
The video concludes with a recommendation for users to enable Intel's limits in the BIOS for a more stable and predictable system performance.
An appeal to motherboard manufacturers to stop applying overly aggressive settings by default to ensure user systems remain stable and performant.
Transcripts
I don't understand why this continues to
be a problem in 2024 but we're going to
talk to you today about your CPU and
motherboard combination might be trying
to kill itself on
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description below so what I'm referring
to right here uh specifically is
optimized defaults in motherboards the
reason why I'm even making this video
I've talked about it in the past but it
continues to be a problem that's been
ongoing since
like I want to say the 7th gen 8th gen
Intel era now this isn't an Intel
problem it's just because Intel CPUs are
like unlocked and overclocked pretty
much for all the SKS unless it doesn't
have a K in fact there's less non
overclocking SKS or unlocked SK than
there are locked SKS like the locked SKS
are the rare ones these days but anyway
moving on um Asus seems to be the
biggest offender but pretty much every
motherboard company has some sort of an
optimized like algorithm they've put
together through all of their testing
that says these CPUs on average can
overclock about this far and get away
with this much additional power limit
this much additional voltage limit this
much additional temperature Etc what the
reason why I'm making this video though
is not just because of the fact that
this continues to go on even though I'm
I we'll get to it I've got so much more
to cover in this video and I don't want
to have it be a 45-minute video but I'm
getting emails from people still saying
I don't understand I've got a 360 mm
cooler I've got a 280 mm cooler on a
13700 K and my CPU is running 100c what
the hell is going on and then they'll
send me a screenshot from like hardware
monitor or something and I can see like
one .48 volts on their CPU and every
single time it's the same story they
never touched anything in their
motherboard heck not even enabling XMP a
lot of people don't even know to enable
XMP so what you're getting here are out
of the box default settings that are
automatically applying not just a
potential overclock of 100 to 200 MHz
per CP you know per EC cor and P core on
its own because of optimized defaults
but an extreme lift of all of the
voltage and amp
and turbo timer settings when it comes
to Intel so this video is specifically
going to be for Intel this doesn't
really happen on AMD CPUs um not so much
because AMD CPUs are so finicky they
they actually can't push them as nearly
as far as you can with Intel stuff so
what I've got sitting right here is an
Intel 13900 K but what here's what I'm
going to show right
here I'm going to hit I I have settings
that have been applied for other videos
we're going to ignore that what I'm
going to show is F5 which is load
optimized defaults there's some very
important verbiage there it does not say
load Intel defaults it says load
optimize defaults which means the
defaults of the BIOS and that
motherboard for that particular CPU see
what happens is the CPU and the
motherboard talk to each other they
identify right and then so what happens
is um the mother motherboard is able to
say oh based on this CPU these are the
types of settings we tend to push so
I've reset the optimized default Asus
multicore enhancement that is above and
beyond
anything from Intel that is an Asus
applied settings change in the Bios it
says Auto let bios
optimize the problem with let bios
optimize is it's going to automatically
go in here and start changing some
settings so if we come down in here to
internal CPU power management 360
amps uh 154 watt long power package
limit 253 watt short duration power
package limit so that's that's actually
the Intel settings right there so I've
just rebooted with the let bios optimize
so you can tell now by the fact that our
DM frequency is back down to 4.8 etc etc
um I'm going to go down to our power
limits once again CP power
management yeah so do you see how they
went up you see that right so we went
from 253 Watts that's our long duration
power limit but it's going to try and
pull basically 495 watts is unlimited
511 amps initially it was 316 or
something like that 311 somewhere around
there so essentially the auto feature or
the default which is the way this
motherboard will boot cuz default is
auto let bios optimize removes the Intel
limits period my major gripe with this
is the motherboard manufacturers need to
load the Intel limits by default it
leads people to thinking something is
wrong with their thermal paste or
something is wrong with their cooler
when they go to load a test like cine
bench CU they see us do it and they want
to compare and then they see 100 C
instantly and
throttling so let me go ahead and boot
into the BIOS real quick so that or not
the BIOS but the see said I I I don't
know if you saw it but I just said F10
exit and it's like no changes were made
because that's the way it rebooted with
those new ridiculous limits in place so
what I'm going to be looking for right
now is how much voltage
is our CPU going to be trying to now now
this is also a thing that has become a
point of contention between the CPU
manufacturers and the motherboard
manufacturers and the reviewers is the
motherboard manufacturers always say the
motherboard never provides More Voltage
than the CPU asks for and that's
complete horseshit it always seems to if
that wasn't the case how can we go in
and change voltage in the settings how
can we go in there and set a voltage the
BIOS is optimiz iing its own voltage
which is airing on the side of stability
which is shove as much voltage down its
throat as you can and let it slow down
so it doesn't die then you're not
getting the performance that you're
paying for so then you have a big ass
cooling system to try and keep very
poorly up to my settings acceptable and
then you just lose performance and you
paid money for stuff that you're not
getting which is the full performance of
your CPU so this is cinebench R23 it's a
free tool you can download if you want
to follow along with this video and see
what your CPU is doing this is also
hardware monitor by CPU ID which gives
us the visibility of all the stuff
happening all the sensors in our system
we can keep an eye on our frequency
right here as you can see we are we do
have a core running at 5.8 GHz on single
core which is exactly what we expect to
see with the Intel stuff 5.5 GHz all
core and then our e cores are down here
at 4.3 I think I said 3.7 earlier I
actually mixed up the specs of like the
13700 or the 13600 the 4.3 is the EC cor
um max turbo limit or ratio for the
13900 K so what we're looking for here
is obviously our temperatures on our
cores but more importantly this guy
right here VOR is sitting at 1305 now
that's not necessarily a problem Intel
does the same thing AMD does which is
for ultimate stability with fluctuating
workloads that are not 100% put More
Voltage that way as this Dynamic
frequency range is changing on the CPU
it doesn't run into stability problems
that's normal I see people all the time
that go my CPU is running 1.4 gz
something's wrong just sitting at the
desktop it's like that's perfect well I
see people all the time messaging me
saying oh my God my CPU is running at
1.4 volt sitting on the desktop doing
nothing idle it's it's trying to kill
itself it's like no actually it's it's
not hurting it whatsoever look at our
temps we're in the 20s right so
everything's fine right there and it
dropped all the way down to 1.19 for a
second but anyway um let's just run a
loop shall
we let's see what our VOR goes to
underload
1323 we're at 88c on the package
instantly and I have a 360 aiio which in
my opinion is far far too warm now sure
we might be sitting here on mid 80s on
the peores and upper 60s and mid 70s on
the eor this room is like 62° f right
now this is not this is not a warm room
whatsoever so already it's getting a
little bit of a help by the fact that
the ambient temperature in this room is
pretty it's like chilled it's chilly in
here right it's it's still cold right
now but our voltage is running 1.2 88
and we're still at 5.5 GHz all core now
I just heard it slowed down we should
end up dropping on frequency here
shortly we're at 320
Watts so after a few seconds here we
should see this drop down to that much
lower 10 whatever watt setting or
actually it should drop down to 253
Watts cuz that's what it showed but
check this out 91c so far is what we've
hit on the package 91c that is pretty
ridiculous look we now have 90 our Max
core is at 91c that's core 7 right here
we got a hot core there our colder core
is 81 we have a huge swing between hot
and cold on certain certain cores all
right so now we just slowed down to
23.5 Watts because we've hit our turbo
timer look at our tempts now 7
7 mid 70s on the
Pees low mid and upper 60s on the E
cores and our clocks dropped from 5.5
down to 5.2 there it is right there 5.1
5.2 it's an interesting test cuz at the
end of the test there's 5.1 again it
stops load for us just like a second and
then goes back so that load drop kind of
freaks out that turbo timer for a second
but our eor dropped all the way down to
4.1 what if I told you
if I went into the Intel
limits we would uh and then if I just
manually change that second number from
One whatever 100 some odd Watts on after
56 seconds to 253 Watts which is stock
by having proper cooling we could keep
our clock speeds and these temperatures
okay so I went into my bio so I
disabled the disabling of the limits or
the removing of the limits so I have
disabled to enable the
limits yeah yeah so anyway this now is
all Intel settings so I'm also going to
leave internal ad adaptive boost
technology share was leave that on auto
that's fine AI overclock this would be
for XMP but I I had it off before so
I'll leave it off now and if we come
down here to our internal power
management you can see now 360 amps 253
Watt and 253 watt which is funny because
we think it might be an I9 setting or
feature where the before and after uh if
the cooler gets at least decent
prediction it might turn that off
but uh it's it means it's just going to
run 253 Watts the entire time so what
that means now is if my if my
calculations are correct we should see
that
77 Celsius on our CPU the entire time so
the first thing I'd like to point out on
VOR is it's it's currently idling at
1314 is where it was but it drops all
the way down to
1.012 that's just because it doesn't
have some stupid crazy amp limit in
there cuz amps and volts are directly
Watts amps and volts they're all
directly related they're they're
calculation right so you can determine
what one of those three numbers is by
knowing the other two numbers so by
having the amps be set super high it
goes oh we got a lot of voltage
available to us even though we don't
have a lot of wattage we have a lot
available voltage to us so it could
start pumping the volts really high but
now that it's back to the default 360
amps which is the the max amount of
amperage allowed on the Intel specs the
volts are going to come down but watch
what happens when we start our test
[Music]
71
72 look our volts 1.1 199 now the
frequency came down slightly at 5.2 and
then five or 4.1 on the ecores and that
right there we can just go in and
actually just play with the multiplier
so our score though right there was a
37,6 like that's because of the fact
that we had the reduced clock speed so
if we get back to the 5.5 we'll be up at
like 38 39,000 so let's do that real
quick so looking in the AV AVX
instruction uh page on here you can see
it actually has a zero offset and it's
showing 5.5 so realistically the the
overall clock speed came down because
that was how it had to control the
wattage to keep the Watts at 253 where
it limits itself is actually in the cork
clock because of the fact that the volts
were already I guess as low as it felt
like it could go and this is where Vol
voltage tweaking would really come in
and be handy now this behavior is
actually actually acting exactly as
Intel is intended what happens is the
motherboard manufacturers say no we want
to make it you know stronger so they go
in there and they adjust these these you
know particular defaults if you will and
every motherboard manufacturer is
different you could take I could take
the same CPU off this Asus board and put
on a gigabyte board and get different
behavior on an MSI board get different
behavior and on an azrock board and get
different Behavior they would be the
it's just whatever the motherboard
manufacturers program to their defaults
I'm not going to go in here and do
fullon like
core clock control because I tend to
actually run the um xmp1 on here and
because I have decent enough cooling I
tend to come in here and do the where'
It Go the AI overclocker I forgot where
it is it's in here somewhere and then
the AI overclocking tends to actually
get us like 6 GHz single core and about
five 5.56 all core on there and that's
going to be based on everyone's
different motherboard uh configurations
their CPU their cooler their environment
how how hot the room the computer in
matters so I wanted to make this video
and put it out there if you're seeing
extremely hot temperatures and you can't
explain why you're like I've got good
thermal paste I've got a really good
cooler I've got lots of air flow in my
case and every single time I run cine
bench or some other stress test I'm
getting 95 100 C on my Intel CPU what
the hell is going on I guarantee you the
problem is not your CPU or your cooler
it's probably your motherboard settings
so do yourself a favor go in at least
find where the Intel limits are enable
those limits and then see if your
problems go away but this is something
that needs to stop this needs to stop
happening on motherboards it has been
happening for like the last six or seven
generations of Intel right now where
motherboard manufacturers are by default
enabling way too high of a limit which
also increases the voltage which
increases the temperature for no reason
whatsoever it it is my personal belief
that the settings on a motherboard out
of the box without touching anything
should
always always follow the limits of the
CPU that is
installed period end of story no
motherboard manufacturer will ever be
able to convince me otherwise they
shouldn't be able to convince you either
so if you've been dealing with tons of
weird temperature fluctuations in your
system start here by looking at your
bios all right guys thanks for watching
sound off down below if you've dealt
with this I'm sure you probably have or
maybe you are dealing with it right now
and you have no idea until this video
also share this video with someone that
you think might benefit from learning
about these settings all right guys
thanks for watching and as always we'll
see you in the next one
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