BP REACTS: Biden's CAMPAIGN State Of The Union
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses the 2024 State of the Union address by Joe Biden, highlighting notable moments and public reactions. It delves into Biden's performance, his interaction with hecklers, and the political implications of his speech. The conversation touches on Biden's immigration policy, his handling of Ukraine, and the strategic placement of topics within his speech. The participants also reflect on the media's response and the potential impact on Biden's re-election campaign.
Takeaways
- 📣 Joe Biden's 2024 State of the Union address highlighted his administration's efforts on Ukraine, the economy, and immigration.
- 🤔 Biden's appearance and energy level were noted, with some commentators suggesting he looked less aged than usual.
- 🗣️ Biden's speech structure was criticized for frontloading popular topics and saving contentious issues like immigration for later.
- 💡 Biden's immigration policy was called out for inconsistency, with moments of aggressive rhetoric contrasting with pro-immigration statements.
- 🎥 Biden's off-script moments, particularly interactions with Marjorie Taylor Greene, were seen as undermining his planned message.
- 🌐 The speech's reception was mixed, with some praising Biden's performance and others highlighting the disconnect with public sentiment.
- 🔄 Biden's strategy of engaging with hecklers was seen as a double-edged sword, potentially overshadowing scripted points.
- 🏛️ The speech's focus on economic policies, such as housing affordability and antitrust measures, was generally well-received.
- 🌊 Biden's handling of foreign policy, particularly regarding Ukraine and Gaza, was a significant part of the address.
- 📉 The speech's impact may be limited by the viral nature of media, with off-script moments likely to be more memorable than policy discussions.
Q & A
What was the general perception of Joe Biden's appearance during the 2024 State of the Union address?
-The perception was that Joe Biden looked less old than he normally does, but the press was expected to focus on this aspect for a few days.
What was the public's opinion on Biden's age before the speech?
-90% of the people thought he was too old before the speech, and this opinion was expected to remain unchanged after the speech.
How did the panelists view Biden's performance in delivering the speech?
-The panelists acknowledged that Biden did better than expected, but they also pointed out several issues, such as going off-script and engaging with hecklers, which they found problematic.
What was the significance of Biden's interaction with Marjorie Taylor Greene during the speech?
-Biden's interaction with Marjorie Taylor Greene, where he tried to engage with her and made a gaffe by saying "illegal" instead of "legal," was seen as a symbol of his struggles when going off-script.
What was the panel's take on Biden's immigration policy as discussed in the speech?
-The panel criticized Biden's immigration policy, stating that it was contradictory and that his attempts to appear tough on immigration were not convincing.
How did the panelists react to Biden's mention of Ukraine at the beginning of the speech?
-The panelists were surprised and critical of Biden starting the speech with Ukraine, considering it a foreign issue that should not have been prioritized over domestic concerns.
What was the panel's opinion on Biden's handling of the January 6th and Roe v. Wade issues?
-The panel acknowledged that Biden scored points with his base by addressing these issues, but they also noted that these points were somewhat overshadowed by other aspects of his performance.
What was the panel's view on the structure of Biden's speech?
-The panelists believed that the speech was structured to frontload issues where Biden has better approval ratings, such as Ukraine and the economy, while saving more controversial topics like immigration for later.
How did the panelists perceive the political strategy behind the speech?
-The panelists saw the speech as a political strategy to contrast Biden with Trump and to try to reset the narrative, but they also noted that the strategy had its flaws, especially when Biden went off-script.
What was the panel's reaction to Biden's economic policy proposals in the speech?
-The panelists found some of the economic policy proposals, such as making housing more affordable and using antitrust to crack down on price fixing, to be well-crafted and potentially beneficial.
Outlines
🗣️ Biden's State of the Union: Aged Appearance and Public Perception
The paragraph discusses the public's perception of Joe Biden's age and his performance during the 2024 State of the Union address. It highlights the contrast between the media's portrayal of Biden's speech as a success and the public's skepticism, particularly regarding his age and cognitive abilities. The conversation also touches on Biden's appearance, noting that while he looked less aged during the speech, the public's opinion on his age remains largely negative.
📺 Media Strategy and Public Engagement
This section delves into the media's response to Biden's State of the Union speech, suggesting that while the media praised his delivery, the American public is not easily swayed. The discussion includes the timing of Biden's speech, particularly his mention of immigration and other contentious issues, and how this may have affected viewership and public opinion. The conversation also criticizes Biden's approach to foreign policy, particularly regarding Ukraine and Gaza, and the perceived disconnect between his administration's actions and the rhetoric used in the speech.
💬 Biden's Interactions and Heckling
The paragraph focuses on Biden's interactions with hecklers during the speech, including his exchanges with Marjorie Taylor Greene. It discusses the political implications of these interactions, the potential impact on Biden's image, and the public's reaction to his off-script moments. The conversation also touches on Biden's handling of sensitive topics, such as immigration and the economy, and how these moments may overshadow the scripted parts of his speech.
📉 Biden's Approval Ratings and Political Strategy
This section analyzes Biden's approval ratings, particularly in relation to immigration and foreign policy, and how these issues are affecting his political strategy. The discussion includes the challenges Biden faces in trying to appease different political factions, the potential impact on his re-election campaign, and the criticism he receives from both the left and the right. The conversation also explores the influence of the Democratic and Republican bases on policy decisions and the potential for the left to exert more political power.
🏠 Economic Policies and Housing Affordability
The paragraph discusses the economic policies outlined in Biden's State of the Union speech, focusing on proposals to make housing more affordable and the use of antitrust laws to address issues in the rental market. The conversation includes the potential impact of these policies on homeowners, renters, and the overall economy, as well as the political strategy behind emphasizing economic issues in the speech. The discussion also touches on the public's trust in Biden's ability to deliver on long-term economic promises.
🎥 Viral Moments and Public Perception
This section reflects on the impact of viral moments from the State of the Union speech, such as Biden's interactions with hecklers and his off-script comments. The conversation discusses how these moments may overshadow the planned rhetoric and policy proposals, and the potential consequences for Biden's political image and public perception. The discussion also includes predictions about the upcoming election strategy, particularly in relation to debates and public appearances.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡State of the Union
💡Joe Biden
💡Immigration
💡Ukraine
💡January 6th
💡Economic Policy
💡Populism
💡Optics
💡Political Strategy
💡Public Perception
Highlights
Joe Biden's 2024 State of the Union address was dissected for its notable moments and public reception.
Biden appeared less aged than usual, but the public's perception of his age remained largely unchanged.
The speech was criticized for beginning with a focus on Ukraine, which some found inappropriate given the domestic issues at hand.
Biden's interaction with Marjorie Taylor Greene and the mention of Lake and Riley's case was highlighted as a significant moment.
Biden's immigration policy was criticized for being inconsistent and failing to please either side of the political spectrum.
The speech's structure was analyzed, with Biden leading with topics of high approval ratings and saving controversial issues for later.
Biden's performance was compared to past presidents, with some suggesting his speech was more akin to a campaign event than a State of the Union.
The speech's economic focus, including housing affordability and antitrust measures, was praised for its populist approach.
Biden's handling of the Gaza situation was seen as overshadowing his economic achievements and potentially damaging his legacy.
The conversation touched on the power dynamics within the Democratic and Republican parties and their bases' influence on policy.
Biden's ability to engage with hecklers during the speech was discussed, with some seeing it as a positive and others as a distraction.
The speech's impact on Biden's re-election campaign and the strategy for debates with potential opponents was speculated upon.
The transcript highlighted the importance of viral moments and off-script interactions in shaping public perception of the speech.
The conversation concluded with predictions about the future of Biden's political strategy and the potential for fewer debates in the upcoming election.
Transcripts
all right so we of course have been
listening to Joe Biden deliver the 2024
State of the Union we've pulled a few of
the uh notable most notable notable
quotable moments I guess uh we would say
Ryan has joined us at the table now and
uh since you we haven't heard from
you chilling I'm
jealous
again um in any case uh what were your
sort of Topline takeaways do you think
he met the moment I mean I'm so sick of
these things yeah the whole country
feels I
mean okay so he looked like less old
than he normally looks true for a while
a bit for a bit sort of flag there at
the end but it's like okay good and and
the the the Press is going to talk about
that for a couple days but it's like so
what so so he looked Less Old than he
normally looks like on one night the
American people are not stupid like they
know 90% of them thought he was too old
before the speech 90% of them still
think he's too old and think that he
like gave a decent speech M and was like
hopped up on the right stuff yeah and
wait another day and there's going to be
another video clip of him looking just
insanely too old so just for a just if
we're going to do the Optics Horse Race
part of it yeah uh I think everybody on
CNN MSNBC was going to be talking about
how great a job that he did at
delivering like sentences off of the
teleprompter are missing the fact that
the American people are not idiots Larry
Sab already said it was a quote Home Run
it's going to get good reviews but
you're down by 30 runs it's a nth inning
and he tweeted so Larry sabido said that
about halfway through the speech and I
actually think that's an important kind
of dividing line it did seem Donald
Trump tweeted that the meds were wearing
off that's an actual Trump truth social
post it did though seem like Joe Biden
as he got more comfortable behind the
podium was trying to mix it up as you
had sort of margar Taylor green and
other Freedom caucus people yelling back
at him he had some exchanges that if he
weren't as old as he is might have gone
better for him but it was horrible I
mean it was like he he had built up this
momentum and then he lost it because he
spent his Capital like trying to go back
and forth with marger Taylor gream and
like actually the perfect symbol of that
is margorie Taylor gream gave him the
lake and Riley button that's the name of
the girl who was killed in Georgia uh
recently and Biden had it on the podium
with him and then he said her name wrong
and he had his name right in her name
right front of him there were crazy
coughs and other things then he said
illegal I was I mean that was that was
it was probably politically AIT okay so
I I did see uh Jonathan Martin made a
good point on Twitter he was like
imagine watching the Democratic debates
in 2019 and the way that the entire
party including Joe Biden was talking
about immigration and then hearing him
in the State of the Union say not even
illegal immigrant an illegal illegal
right that's
otherwise but otherwise that part was
actually pretty Pro immigration and and
general it was just that one rhetorical
slip I mean I just think that there
first of all I think the policy on
immigration and the like hey Donald
Trump we want to argue to the American
people that you're literally a fascist
On the Border but also why don't you
work with me on implementing your
fascism at the bordedom border is
a foolish insane strategy and I think
the foolishness of that strategy was
reflected in that moment where he's
trying to on the one hand act like he's
as much of a hard ass as the Republicans
like I will be just as cruel at the
border as you are and on the other hand
still trying to do the liberal like but
we want to welcome every agre it doesn't
make any freaking sense and then when
you he goes off the prompter and does
this trying to mix it up first of all
it's a hot mess on every level right
you're you're holding your breath the
whole time like oh where is this going
it is hard to watch because you know
he's going off the r rails it doesn't
really totally make sense he's using the
wrong name he's using this sort of like
you know Antiquated pejorative that is
completely verboten you know left of
center yeah and so it's it's a mess but
I mean listen if this was Obama
delivering this speech at this level
tonight everyone would be going that was
an utter cat like that's a good point
there's something wrong with Barack
Obama what has happened to him because
it's Joe Biden like yes the CNN people
are going to make him sound like he was
amazing and it was perfect and it was
like FDR and rean and whoever rolled up
into one but he did do better than the
expectations that were set for him and I
think for him tonight that was all he
really needed to do when we're just
talking about the horse race and the
optic let me zoom out a little bit just
from the structure of the speech because
we kind of skipped ahead to immigration
and I actually think it's a key point is
I actually have a Time code here in
front of me so Biden began speaking
somewhere between like 9:15 9:25 uh he
did not mention immigration until 10:08
p.m. and that was you know well within
some 45 50 minutes into the speech the
vast majority of the people who watch
the State of the Union only watch the
first 15 to 30 minutes so the
construction of the speech was basically
to frontload the issues where he has the
best approval rating on from Ukraine to
the uh to the economy a lot of the drug
pricing scrub yeah that's right so I
have I actually have the list in front
of me it was Ukraine January 6 IVF Row
versus Wade making fun of Republicans
for cheering on infrastructure money
then drug price stent then tax cuts for
the rich then immigration right so now
we're 10 p.m. we're well past the time
where a lot of folks have turned the
television off and then Israel comes
after that so he saved and we've we've
consistent polling we've reflected here
on our Tuesday show the number one issue
that Biden is underwater immigration
number two is Gaza Ukraine somehow don't
ask me why people haven't been watching
enough Breaking points is his top issue
so that's what he decided to lead with
and uh we actually have a clip of that I
believe that we can show you uh I I will
just say I am personally offended and
stunned genuinely that the State of the
Union about the United States of America
began with a TI raade about Ukraine and
why we should fund a foreign war which
is I personally think is insane and he
tried to capture some reaganesque tear
down that wall energy and contrast
himself with Trump that's right we have
a clip of that so guys if we can go
ahead and play it let's take a listen
but
now the since Ukraine is being blocked
by those who want to walk away from our
world
leadership wasn't long ago when a
Republican president named Ronald Reagan
thundered Mr gorbachov tear down this
wall
[Applause]
now now my
predecessor a former Republican
president tells Putin quote do whatever
the hell you
want that's a
quote a former president actually said
that bowing down to a Russian leader I
think it's outrageous it's dangerous and
it's
unacceptable take a note of Joe mansion
and Mitch Mitt Romney standing up for
that one but again I mean I I'm really
wonder what you guys think I I
understand that yes he has a 46% so
approval rating on Ukraine but I mean
starting off the State of the Union on
why we must fund more Aid to Ukraine
just seems completely crazy to me the
actual political hit that he had IVF
which we will get to in a little bit and
on Row versus Wade did not come some 17
minutes Crystal into the speech so we
had Ukraine and then we had January 6
January 6 look I think it's annoying to
litigate whatever January 6 3 and a half
some years later but politically it has
played for him in his contrast with
Trump but he was really trying to
stretch that into the top and I I
thought I mean look I'll just put it
this way it was a choice it was a choice
to start on
Ukraine normally I feel like I'm pretty
decent at taking my own personal view of
situations out of my political horse
race analysis
but I cannot abide this man at this
point given the facilitation of genocide
that is going on as we speak trying to
speak in moral language about Ukraine
like I just can't it's always been
hypocritical we've always known that
that was you know a farce and covering
for a lot of other things that are going
on but given the you know full Full Pass
and the unconditional support and the
hey Netanyahu do whatever you want that
he's given I cannot take that context
away from that moment and him now trying
to use this flowery pro-democracy
[ __ ] language about Ukraine no
that's a good point actually it's very
discontin with the policy and the
through line of the bid Administration
has been not understanding what's going
on with with their base and and with
people who are just livid and shocked
and appalled at at what he's doing and
so for them I don't think they
understand how when you start talking
about like how dare you give a foreign
leader unconditional support in its
invasion of a of a helpless people like
that's so outrageous that so many people
would hear that like yes exactly how
dare you like why would but he doesn't
mention it again for another hour he
know he knows that he knows that God's
Israel is terrible for him that's why he
has it at the very back end of the
speech right but he doesn't understand
how it connects to that well and here's
here's what's been interesting too is
actually you know they have stopped
using a lot of the language like a lot
of his you know State Department Ghouls
and whoever have stopped using a lot of
that International re rules-based order
language because they know how blatantly
hypocritical it is right I mean how many
Clips have we played for members of
Congress and whatever that's like oh you
knew it was a war crime then but now
suddenly you need a lawyer you need 15
independent experts in 13 years to
figure out whether it's a freaking War
crime when it's right there in front of
your face every single day on Tik Tok so
there is some awareness in the
administration that they have lost the
ability to talk in those terms so that
was why I did find it sort of shocking
that they started with that and re tried
to re-embrace those terms I I mean
remember on his way here you had to go
the long Route Around to avoid hundreds
of protesters who are outside saying
your legacy is genocide so that is the
the this speech didn't just fall out of
a coconut tree there's a context before
so thank you for that this is an
interesting this is an interesting point
about even their media strategy because
going into this they were like not
leaking but they were doing a lot of
interviews Jeff science and other people
about how this was going to be Biden's
reset that people have quote Trump
Amnesia they don't remember how bad
things were under Trump because Biden is
still sort of purportedly digging out of
the covid hole and so people just don't
understand that Joe Biden has you know
made this recovery go up even though of
course what they're not telling you is
that up is relative to what it came down
from when Co happened and what's
interesting again is that this is not
how it works anymore that if you
frontload a speech and you're hoping to
you know minimize the damage M with
voters who are upset about your policy
in Israel or you're hoping to minimize
your damage with people who are upset
with your policy at the border CU he
also saved that way for last as you
mentioned two things that he's pulling
the worst on it doesn't matter anymore
because to your point Crystal these
clips we play these clips these clips go
viral on T I was just gonna say his the
first half of his speech for Joe Biden
he didn't seem like he was half asleep
so low bar but he cleared it good for
him on that and then as it started to
you know start speech keeps going it
obviously is slipping a little bit but
his I think some of his really sloppy
exchanges he made a personal decision we
were following the transcript of the
speech he made a personal decision to
engage constantly with his hecklers I I
don't know where you guys stand on this
I don't really have a problem with
hecklers I think it oh I I enjoy like
the I think and I think actually a lot
of I think the American well they both
seem to like it yeah that's clear
there's a feedback personally my number
one issue is deorum
that's what I on look my number one
issue is dressor but not was so upset
about but he loves the heckling anyway
uh you're a hypocrite
yeah um but anyway that that's not how
this works anymore all of those clips
you know if he was hoping to save the
border for last and Stave off some
problems with different voters those
clips are going to be viral as hell the
Gaza Clips are going to be viral as hell
it just it doesn't work like that yeah
that's right in the internet era nothing
everything is forever whether he puts on
me at the end or not I mean still think
it was obviously a political choice
because some 27 million people tuned in
last year to this it was the only
political event to top to break the top
100 broadcast very likely will get very
similar ratings this time around
especially since it is an election year
you know kind of going back to the
political hits quote unquote you know if
we have to least play the parts where I
think that he definitely scored himself
good points is he was cogent I would say
relatively because he was sticking
completely to the script he didn't seem
as off and he wasn't coughing as much
and losing his place and slurring his
speech in the first 45 minutes and he
actually stuck it a little bit on you on
uh Row versus Wade and on IVF so we do
have guys if we can play the next clip
here where he directly addresses the
Supreme Court on Row versus Wade which I
thought was a smart strategy given the
way that his Bas feels about it and how
it has animated so many voters so guys
why don't we go ahead and play that next
one and with all due respect justices
women are not without electoral
electoral
power excuse me electoral or political
power you're about to realize just how
much you
about and Ryan he also that wasn't
delivered super cleanly but you know was
a good line all right listen as you said
what did you say in the beginning we're
grading on a curb all right like we're
grading on the the silent generation
curb the long one line I still can't
believe from the speech is I was born
during World War II I'm like you should
probably just never remind people we are
literally I am watching documentaries on
Netflix of World War II in color which
is so
amazing by the way great yeah it's
awesome but when we have to colorize
footage from whenever the president of
the United States is born today little
bit nuts but Ryan we were talking we
were like wow that was his real hit was
on IVF and on R's Wade so again you know
saving it a little bit for the middle
part of the speech but calling directly
he's like let's legalize IVF right now
and pointing to one of the women in the
balcony you had a good idea of how Biden
should haveed speech right half joke but
not really because at this point what do
you have to lose if if I were his speech
writer I would have given him a onepage
speech and it's IVF and roie Wade you
get in there you talk about those two
things you're like bye that's
it us to just talk about how he did that
not even antitrust cuz once you start
doing antitrust you
open a shrunken can of
worms those worms just keep coming you
do IVF and row yeah and and then and
then you just lay it on the table that
it's like look I am running for
reelection you you think I'm way too old
for this job you think I'm doing a
genocide but the Republicans are crazy
and they do the they're going to crazy
[ __ ] and Trump and and be like look
that's it don't pretend like you're
offering anything he didn't say Trump's
Name by the way well I I wanted to make
the point though that especially the
early part of the speech and I this was
obviously a very intentional choice to
try to make Biden look feisty and
vigorous and all that it was very
aggressive it I it was it was very you
know coming after you he didn't say
Trump's name but he said you know my the
former president my predecessor etc etc
it was especially the first portion was
a campaign speech and um you know so he
hits him on Putin and he's going to let
Putin do whatever he wants and then he
hits him on January 6th hits him on
abortion and you're the one that put
these justices on the court and you know
was really taking trying to take it to
him and show that he still has the
ability to credibly do that so I think
it was you know very conscious to try to
demonstrate that he had this fight and
this level of aggressiveness that he's
able to bring to the table at least when
it's scripted in a telepromter and he's
had a whole cocktail of whatever drugs
they gave him before he stepped down we
already have Joe scarber wing and he
says it's Biden's best speech
underestimated again I mean that is the
direct audience though for what this was
that's interesting because I've seen
among the sort of
commentariat reactions that are like
this and reactions that are like Amy
Walter who said this feels more like
something one would hear at the DNC than
a state of the union he has already
mentioned his quote unquote predecessor
in negative terms two times in first in
the first few minutes Danny plea
American Enterprise Institute she's
voting on that was a problem for her a
very neoconservative person says like
literally has the Israeli and Ukraine
Flags in her bio she said what Biden
doesn't realize is how much he now
reflects Trump's Legacy angry hate
filled partisan without Hope just
Vengeance and some random untruths about
the economy so I've seen a a sort of
bifurcated reaction from the the
chattering class I think that's so
stupid this is the state of the union
before the election it is a campaign no
[ __ ] what are we all doing here do we
remember Trump speech I remember Obama's
as well Obama's 2012 that was a huge
campaign
kickoff the Supreme Court was unusual
yeah row is you know the the major
deciding read that's the main thing
that's getting you know even de to crawl
out and actually vote for the Amy
Walters at the world are this like
Centrist like DC class that used to kind
of squat comfortably between the two
parties and now it's more difficult for
them because the Maga Wing they don't
have a they don't have a spot there so
it's hard for them to pretend to both
sides it that they can't both sides it
as well so they have to like figure out
ways to like not look like they're
Democrats because they have just become
Democrats whether they want to admit it
or not so one way to say well I'm not a
Democrat a they this guy out theate of
the political it's he's the president
he's the top figure in the country he's
running for re-election he'd be an idiot
not to do I mean this is always gets
back to the strategy he was very look he
was yeah he was shy I mean look that's
what it takes for him to be able to
speak clearly so that's that I mean
again that's very inten listen with the
floor the the bar is as low as it could
possibly be okay but the whole thing I'm
sure they coached him up like be loud be
energetic and so that's why he comes out
there and he's screaming at us don't
Rift too much yeah well that part like
wandered off the rails at the end but I
mean in in a way too the fact that you
bury your toughest issues at the end
when the meds are wearing off and you're
starting to go is not not actually a
great strategy but since we're talking
about decorum it's as good of a time as
any to um show this little Marjorie
Taylor green Joe Biden interaction this
is as he's walking in you know he's
doing the the grip and grin with all the
gathered members of whatever margery's
there she's in her red Maga hat and she
has the uh what is Lake and
um pin that she's trying to put in his
face and we've got a reaction from uh
the president that caught a lot of
people's attention let's take a look at
[Applause]
that over
here so that that face is what everybody
well chis I I guess we don't have the
clip of this but what it was and there
was a noteworthy part where he held it
up and this is what we referenced in the
beginning and he cuz she was shouting
his name she was interrupting him
whenever he was calling for the passage
of the bipartison Border Bill and he was
like say her name and he actually took
out the pen he said yes it's Lake and
Riley as you said he referred to he said
yes she was killed by any illegal where
I did see some uh some gasps I mean even
me I was like wow I can't believe a
Democratic president just said that it
has yeah what did you say has it hasn't
been Canon I think in the Lexicon for
quite we do actually have a portion of
that but the internet was reacting to
that face so that's why we wanted to
show the face that was it was fun
there's a lot of Internet reaction to
that but we do have a portion of the IM
ation ad lib um that we can show you
guys this is D4 control room if you
could run
[Applause]
that Lincoln Lincoln Riley an innocent
young woman who was killed by an illegal
that's right but how many thousands of
people being killed by legal wow yeah I
mean again genuinely crazy yeah and it
went on from there um uncomfortably but
yeah I mean it was the reason why I was
uncomfortable as Emily noted is he
didn't know the name properly and then
he was like stumbling kind of through it
didn't know what he was doing I mean
electorally in front of on the pen and I
know the point he was trying to make
there which is that the native born
population has a higher crime rate than
the Immigrant population yeah so but
then when you're in the position of
being like yeah well how many people to
regular Americans murder it's like well
that wasn't made really the most Artful
way possible and that's when I started
you know getting nervous and then he's
like this killed by an illegal and Trump
you think you think we're so innocent oh
yeah wait but he was right Trump was
right come on yeah yeah like they're
both right that is going to be Mega
viral though and undermine any attempt
that his administration made and it's
because he went off script he didn't
have to go off script but Emily we know
that I mean those attempts were already
of course done the the other thing that
happened there is James Langford senator
who worked on that bipartisan bill which
was you know legitimately very hard line
in which Trump came out and was like no
I don't want this passed because I want
to use this as an issue in the election
Langford was the sort of lead Republican
negotiator on that and so when Biden is
there saying this is the toughest border
security bill that any president has
ever you know tried to push through
lenford actually mouss that's true as
his Republican colleagues are booing and
you know no that's a lie margerie Taylor
green doing her thing and whatever I
think it's a big Hope from l yeah I
personally think it's co if people want
we did an hour and a half long debate
about this bill people can go watch it
for themselves also relative what's
what's what you know what is a bill that
has been tougher than what I would what
I would come back to is just is is
really this is on the politics of it I
I've always agreed with Crystal is if
you care about the Border I care about
the Border Emily you do too uh it's one
of those things just like yeah we don't
trust you Biden period end the story
like even with all these other
Shenanigans because of the people who
work for you and all the other things
that have happened in the last interm
three years years you actually I think
at this point if you're a border voter
like you're just a republican 100% like
you're going to vote for him and or
you're going to vote for Trump or you're
just not going to vote for Biden on this
issue period now can he move some like
independent Vote or anything on this I
genuinely don't think so I think his
best his best you wouldn't say that
there was another bill that was tougher
you're just saying I don't trust Biden
to implement a tough bill this is what
I'm saying about the bill like what
we've had legislation introduced in 2017
that was much tougher under Trump there
was one hr2 is what the Republicans have
passed no well no it did pass House of
Representatives right but it didn't
wasn't made in a
law pass either I'm deled that it was
blocked I'm just saying can't say the
toughest one a billion other bills out
there the point is theoretically hr2 can
pass think about think about this you
know there's no way in hell Democrats
would vote for this [ __ ] under Trump
sure not a [ __ ] chance not a chance
that they would have backed this bill
with no path nothing even for DACA for
the Dre none of that under the next
Trump I'm not maybe look
maybe would have under Bush the
Democratic Party The New York Times had
an amazing poll on this how Democrats
have moved way more than Republicans in
the last like just the average V the
last 20 30 years just on immigration is
what I'm talking about and I think
that's what's for Republicans that's
what to me was interesting about Biden
actually being willing to take the pin
from margorie Taylor green and then go
back and forth I just saw it as so em
are also acting like this is some like
open borders down him him the most
honest like positioning that you get
from him when he blurts out something
like an illegal kill I mean this is who
he's been throughout his career he's not
some lib on this issue but that's like
the Whiplash that people get with like
Democrats genuinely like disaffected
people will look at this or people who
care about the the border and they don't
feel like Democrats have could have have
dedicated enough time to it and haven't
been willing to take tough steps to it
that's why I thought the moment was so
emblematic like Biden took the pen from
Mary Taylor green he tried to interact
with her he thought he was interacting
with her in good faith which is in of
itself a weird thing I think he was
trying to flip it is what I think he was
he was trying to get the political one
but that's it's sort of all of it in a
nutshell that Biden wants to try to
please these two unpleasable block and
he thinks he's the only one who can do
it like I like I alone can fix it just
think about okay so the two areas where
Biden has the worst approval writing
right now immigration in Gaza
immigration in Gaza right and in order
to try to appease a group of people who
you're right are Republicans and are not
voting for him no it's not going to
happen people who for imig you know that
the borderer and the quote unquote
immigration crisis is their number one
issue they're not voting for him he is
willing to abandon everything he said on
the campaign Trail and literally reach
out his hand and say Donald Trump work
with me on this issue on Gaza he's
willing to pretend like he cares and do
literally nothing to change the policy
because it's the pressure from the left
I mean I mean it's it's so illustrative
of the contempt with which the
Democratic party holds anything that
they see as coming from the left they
just hold it in complete and utter
contempt yeah agree and they Delight in
screwing up it's the total opposite on
the Republican Party side I think they
go to Great Lengths to try to like
please and cater to their uh their base
but the Republican base would say the
lford negotiations was the biggest
middle finger they ever got from but
they didn't but then they backed away
from it when they got pressure from the
base they
said and here here's the thing is I just
don't think you can deny I am delighted
that they killed this bill now I don't
think anything's going to happen the the
things that are more likely to happen is
Trump gets in again whatever he does
through executive orders which is quite
significant what he could do that's
what's likely to happen but in terms of
you know actual legislation passing no
they're not going to get another B at
the South was purely political right CU
why would Democrats help him because at
that point it's Trump's problem exactly
the
that Republicans were like sorry Biden
this is your problem and at the same
time Democrats have completely abandoned
any sort of moral High Ground that they
had on this issue and they've just like
accepted the Republican argument which
why I think it's you know both a moral
and political disaster I will stick with
what you said um you know immigration
debates and all that aside I think that
a point that you're making is important
about political constituency's ability
to exercise power and the Border because
it's interesting because if you look in
the past the Republican base was
basically the Republican bases wanted
immigration restriction for like 70
years or whatever like for as long as as
the modern coalitions existed screwed
screwed screwed gang of eight over and
over again they were finally able to
extract actually some blood on Eric
caner and then with the freedom caucus
from there plus the rise of trump you
have Marco Rubio Ted Cruz Jeb Bush and
all these other people to disavow their
previous immigration policies and
basically meet Trump where he is and
then you get to the status quo of today
where the base is able to kill a border
Bill the problem and I mean there's a
myriad reasons why it's maybe what this
is I actually want to know what you guys
think it's for some reason we haven't
seen the ability for the left to
exercise that same level of political
power until look maybe today's the
breaking point right because we have
uncommitted that actually is a genuine
political force and I mean I think that
the calculus and this is where I
probably defend the two of you and have
stock up for you also for my when my
centrus Biden bends get very upset and
the things that you say is they're like
saysh Trump
would it's not just Marshall is they're
like yeah but but but Trump would be so
much worse I'm like yeah but they're
trying to extract a pound of Flesh to
show that they can and it's like that
just hasn't really happened a lot with
the political left in this country and
that's the issue is kneejerk
assumption that really started with Bill
Clinton yeah right that the way to win
is to kick the left and posture like
you're you know to adopt a lot of the
Republican position like on welfare and
the symb he the poster cidate that is
his
ideological yes and I mean you know I
keep uh Mark Lemont Hill said this with
regards to Israel and how they were have
been so clueless about what a problem
this is for them electorally which has
been obvious from the very beginning but
if you've been in Washington 50 years in
that 50 years it has never been a
political problem to be too pro- Israel
MH and so him and the you know his
little bubble of people who have similar
like 50-year careers in Washington DC
and all of these things baked in they're
just not able to adjust to any other
assumption they're not able to realize
that there are certain areas where
actually the leftwing position is
incredibly popular and you would benefit
from adopting that position now I do
want to give uh some credit to the
economic portion of this speech which I
thought thought was well crafted I
thought it emphasized I thought it was
good I mean it was very like made in
America it was very sort of like
economic nationalist in a way that I
think lands in a real populist way um he
spent a lot of time talking about
specific proposals to help make housing
more affordable both for homeowners
aspiring homeowners and renters he
talked about using antitrust to go after
um these big landlord companies that are
basically rigging the markets and using
he didn't get into the whole algorithm
situation but we actually covered on the
show this week but um using the
antitrust division to try to crack down
on price fixing in the rental market
which is increasingly a huge issue you
know I thought there were some genuinely
good things there it's hard for me
though you know it's just hard for me to
really give him credit on any of this
when Gaza and what's happening there
just Loom so large over all of it what
do you think Ryan about look about this
pound of Flesh like the ability for the
left exercise power I think
fundamentally one problem is that the
the hard right is so much bigger in the
United States than the hard left like
the or whatever you want to call them
like just the the structural and the
material conditions that exist here in
the United States are do not like do not
set up a situation where you're going to
have a big left like you had one in the
new deal because you just came out of a
a great depression and the US was not
yet like the global Empire like riding a
stride across the whole planet like and
the the the success of the left out of
the 30s and and 40s was was their own
undoing mhm and so they they just don't
have the numbers like it's you know you
can do some tactical things here or
there but you're you're going to be
you're going to be stuck but yet despite
that you did the the great tragedy of
this genocide well not the great tragedy
like it's many layers down but one of
the tragedies of the genocide that Biden
is overseeing is that is is that it has
just stained his entire Legacy of
economic populism which as Kyle was
saying like before you know before the
speech MH he he would be defending I
would be defending you know there
there's so much that you can say about
it the the the fact that prices jumped
and are still high and rent is still a
huge problem is itself kind of a cloud
over everything else that he's done but
everything else he's done is not nothing
like low un low unemployment rate you
know lab labor mil
uh you know cash in people's pockets
like the the
economy overall in the last like three
years a result of the you know the the
kinds of things that the left has been
pushing for for years is it is headed in
the right direction but you're not going
to find anybody who's willing to like
celebrated yeah I mean how much would I
have in another timeline without Gaza
been talking about sha Fain being there
and the union wins and getting call out
and you know all all of that but it's
just like you know I it is it is an
incredible tragedy because you know
before Gaza I was out there saying
listen it's not just a lesser two evils
vote if you look just at antitrust and
you look just at Labor just at wages
like wages now are growing faster than
prices and they have been for sever
years and especially at the lower end if
you care about checking corporate power
the people he put in place in key you
know positions have done a great job and
they've been aggressive and it's been
groundbreaking it's been a real break
from the Clinton Obama Democratic party
and obviously wildly better then you
know Trump had a bunch of Union Busters
in at the nlrb and the antitrust was not
doing anything different than what was
being done before so those pieces are
undoubtedly better under Biden you know
I don't think that they've done a great
job sing it or whatever it's longterm
while you have a lot of of um pain for
people that is very present and very
real right now and on the economic front
you know I've long said that dropping
the the economic pieces to build back
better and allowing all the co social
safety net stuff to expire I mean that
was a
huge moral disaster it was a huge
political disaster and it's a big and I
think undersold part of why his economic
approval ratings are so incredible
incredibly low I just want to mention
Jeff Stein flagged some of the economic
policy that was in the State of the
Union highlighting manufacturing autoc
construction boom which is real reducing
drug cost by taking on big farm I mean
that was kind of like they did a little
bit there kind of fake but whatever 2
million new affordable homes $5,000 per
year for firsttime home buyers Universal
pre preschool pal grants cutting student
debt expanding ACA subsidies so I mean
some of those things are very neolive
but it is this kind of like populist
economic Focus Chip he talked about yeah
that would have given people something
to focus on hold on to highlight if not
overshadowed by the started in Ukraine I
mean to your point he started in Ukraine
when we were listening to him talk about
housing I was thinking to myself like
this if you had written this for the
beginning if you had like really written
this as an introductionary part of your
speech I mean I get I kind of doubt
myself on this now though Emily because
I would have said the same thing but
that message of just like January 6th
and mag is a bunch of crazy weirdos it
works work
for exactly the people don't trust the
economy they're not going to take credit
for it they haven't done enough of the
short-term stuff they don't trust them
on that they're not willing to give you
long-term you know check boxes when
you're getting screwed age is huge I
think age hangs over the economy hangs
over because it's like all right yeah
okay I do like that wages are going
faster than inflation Etc but but like I
don't trust this guy in over the next
four or five years to like deliver more
and I've talked about this before
Kennedy I mean had in terms of like the
inexurable like he had the Vigor like
that was the whole thing like that was
why
a cocktail of drugs yeah that's right
but nobody knew it okay like people
didn't know he basically had late stage
Parkinson's and would have died if he
been reelected presid look sober again
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that's right presumptive nominee as of
this week and he has been slamming Biden
for coughing the entire I mean it was
weird like yeah so like Trump the sort
of Master of the aesthetic in the TV
what
Joe coffin Joe
coffin c f f i n cofin Joe cofin Joe I
like not bad Ryan not bad I might tweet
that out I might I might try and
social I may I may try and socialize
that so well I saw he was trying to take
Hillary's old the Crooked Hillary thing
and give that to Joe I was like you
really recycling nicknames now come on
that only works for Hunter it doesn't
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last thoughts from everybody Ryan what
do you got no that's all I got all right
that's well it wasn't it wasn't a joke
it was a serious advice
insulting my uh last thought here is you
know we had that moment with the report
that came out that was talking about
elderly gentleman poor memory when there
was this moment of panic and Ezra Klein
is writing a piece in the New York Times
and Nate silver is echoing it and you're
you know getting kind of a little bit of
a DC freakout going getting conspiracy
theories about all maybe they're getting
ready to slide comml in his place or
something like that all of those
murmurings I think he did enough in this
speech that I I agree with you
unfortunately you know I mean listen
again we've talked a million times the
bar is really low but I'm sure on CNN
they are over there selling him as the
greatest oror of our time right now
jimina said all questions are answered
like he's he's if I had got a question
in it would have been answered yes Joe
uh I completely agree with you Crystal
this is it the Biden all age discourse
they have enough prediction that I'll
try and hear is that they're going to
try and do as few debates with Trump as
possible we will be lucky if we get one
and I think this is exactly why he can
have one shot can have one thing where
he can read off he can have the no cards
prepared but three is just not going to
cut it Trump smart and trying to
pressure him and highlight that but the
proof from this speech is the Super Bowl
strategy was correct don't put him on
the Super Bowl you play him once you get
you get get him pretty good 30 minutes
or so and that's it and you cut his ass
off don't let him out go out doesn't
work people aren't stupid it doesn't
work because people aren't stupid but
they're going to look it they work
before you play the mag hit you play you
play the R versus weight hits and you
you just hope and pray in November
that's your only possible strategy on
dragging you through election so that's
my that's my prediction and my kind of
closing thought on this my closing
thought is I just I think there were
some moments that were genuinely U
really I don't want to say unprecedent
because nothing is ever unprecedented in
the United States Congress but there
were moments that were unusual to anyone
who's watched State of the Union on
television which I think started with
Harry Truman that the sort of break into
Quorum which again I don't have a
problem with uh but that was Biden going
back and forth I think all of that is
going to overshadow uh the the planned
scripted rhetoric that came out of the
White House that had actually some real
just from the perspective of political
strategy some real highlights they did a
good job with some of these lines they
did a good job talking about some things
but I think because those places he went
off script he tried to interact with
Margery Taylor green he tried to you
know go back and forth chop it up with
people who were shouting the audience
and in the course of that he made some
he had some gaffs he was coughing a lot
he said something about Moscow at one
point getting drugs from Moscow I think
honestly all of that is because we live
in the viral Clips economy going to
overshadow uh their best efforts uh not
to not to have that happen and because
he decided to go off script well for my
final thought I'll tell my old man's
story to to your point back in 2010 I
was in the gallery when Joe Wilson yes
yells you lie I had just written a
profile of Joe Wilson for Politico like
a couple months earlier genius traffic
on that must and not just that when when
he yelled he's a total back bench nobody
and the whole press Corp is like who
just yelled who just yell you like I'm
like I like because then you couldn't
bring your devices in I'm like that was
Joe Wilson
that and everyone in the gallery is like
who's Joe Wilson who Joe Wilson I'm like
read my profile why your
why did I profile him uh I me he had a
whole bunch of kids serving in Iraq okay
um I don't know go go Google Joe
Wilson homework Politico I I used to do
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