‘Biden is going to beat Trump like a drum’ | Anthony Scaramucci
Summary
TLDRThe transcript covers an interview with Anthony Scaramucci, former White House Communications Director for Donald Trump, regarding the 2024 U.S. presidential election. Scaramucci believes Trump will likely win the Republican nomination barring legal intervention, but predicts Joe Biden will defeat him again as president. He asserts Trump's support has shrunk despite his ardent base, Biden has overseen decent economic numbers, and most voters will choose preserving democracy over Trump's antics. The contest will be brutal given the candidates' ages, and debates are uncertain. Scaramucci would work to ensure Trump isn't reelected, though a second Trump term could damage U.S. institutions and global standing.
Takeaways
- 😀 Donald Trump is predicted to win the New Hampshire Republican primary over Nikki Haley.
- 😮 Nikki Haley says Trump didn't inform her before Ron DeSantis dropped out and endorsed Trump.
- 🤔 Despite legal troubles, polls suggest Trump remains popular with Republican voters.
- 😯 Anthony Scaramucci believes Trump will be the Republican nominee unless convicted of a crime before the election.
- 🧐 Scaramucci says Trump appeals to disenfranchised blue collar voters who feel the system is unfair.
- 😕 Scaramucci predicts Biden will beat Trump like he did in 2020 if they face off again.
- 😬 Scaramucci believes Trump wants to be a dictator and threatens American democracy.
- 😨 Scaramucci expects a brutal contest between Biden and Trump due to their old age.
- 😰 In a second term, Trump could withdraw from NATO and further damage America's global standing.
- 😓 Scaramucci says debates between Trump and Biden are uncertain but important for voters.
Q & A
What is Ronda Santz's current position regarding the Republican presidential nomination race?
-Ronda Santz has dropped out of the Republican nomination race and is now backing Donald Trump.
What was Nikki Haley's reaction to Ronda Santz dropping out and backing Trump?
-Nikki Haley said Trump did not inform her directly about Ronda Santz's decision. She said this is typical behavior from male politicians and reflects the divided nature of politics currently.
How does Anthony Scarramucci assess Trump's chances of getting the Republican nomination?
-Scaramucci believes Trump is likely to get the Republican nomination barring any guilty verdicts this year in the federal cases pending against him regarding the insurrection and documents case.
What are the potential legal obstacles that could stop Trump from running again?
-The 14th Amendment case going to the Supreme Court could result in blue states removing Trump from their ballots. Criminal convictions in 2023 in either the insurrection case or documents case could also derail his campaign.
Why does Scarramucci believe Trump has such ardent support among blue collar voters?
-Scaramucci says these voters feel disenfranchised and think the system is unfair to them. Trump represents their anger and is willing to attack the establishments they dislike.
Does Scarramucci believe Trump can win the 2024 election against Biden?
-No, Scarramucci predicts Biden will "beat [Trump] like a drum" again, as Trump has not expanded his base and the economy is doing well currently under Biden.
What impact could Trump's threats regarding NATO have if he's reelected?
-Scaramucci says it would likely put more pressure on America's European allies and further degrade America's global standing.
Will there be presidential debates between Trump and Biden in 2024?
-Scaramucci says it's uncertain if debates will occur given both candidates' reluctance previously. Lack of debates would break tradition and be a disservice to voters.
What advantage did Haley and DeSantis miss in challenging Trump?
-Scaramucci criticizes them for not creating a new voter market by appealing to non-voters the way Obama did, instead just positioning themselves against Trump.
What is Mark Meadows' current role regarding Trump?
-Meadows is positioned as the chief witness for the prosecution against Trump in the insurrection case.
Outlines
😃 Trump likely to be nominee but Biden expected to beat him.
Paragraph 1 discusses how Trump is on course to win the Republican nomination for president in 2024, despite ongoing legal troubles. However, Anthony Scaramucci believes Biden will defeat Trump in the general election as Trump has not expanded his base of support.
😟 Trump's support comes from disenfranchised working class.
Paragraph 2 explains Trump's enduring popularity among blue collar voters who feel disenfranchised and desperate economically. Trump represents their anger against the establishment.
😅 Biden expected to win despite concerns over his age.
Paragraph 3 says Biden is still favored to beat Trump in 2024 despite Trump's lead in polls now. Biden's campaign hasn't started yet and the economy is doing well. Concerns over Biden's age are outweighed by his commitment to democratic principles.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Republican nomination
💡New Hampshire primary
💡potential legal cases
💡Trump's base of support
💡2024 presidential election
💡Biden's economic track record
💡threats to democracy
💡NATO alliance
💡2024 election debates
💡divided politics
Highlights
Trump faces multiple federal cases that could stop him if convicted, but likely will still end up as Republican nominee
Supreme Court decision on 14th Amendment could allow states to remove Trump from ballots, blocking his path
Trump's base feels disenfranchised and sees him as an avatar for their anger against establishments
Other Republican candidates failed to create a new market of non-voters like Obama did
Biden will likely beat Trump like last time as Trump hasn't expanded his base or popularity
Current polls are meaningless this far out from 2024 election
Economy is doing quite well under Biden which people need reminding of
Biden campaign hasn't fully gone after Trump yet
American people will likely choose preserving democracy over Trump's insanity
Trump has talked about wanting to withdraw from NATO in a second term
Second Trump term would further hurt America's global standing
We may not see Trump-Biden debates which would break tradition
Lack of debates would be unfair to voters who see them as deciding factor
Chief witness against Trump is his former chief of staff Mark Meadows
Second Trump term would put pressure on European allies
Transcripts
Joe Biden's going to beat him like a
drum and so the way he beat him last
time he'll beat him in
2024 and I'll just submit this to your
viewers and listeners whether they like
Mr Trump or don't like him ask yourself
is any new person going to be voting for
Mr Trump uh has he in any way expanded
his base or expanded his popularity I
get that his popularity is Ardent and
unyielding but the real question is are
there any new participants that want to
vote for Mr Trump and in those polls the
answer to that is no of anything his
support has shrunken now the next
Battleground in the US election campaign
is the New Hampshire primary tomorrow
where Donald Trump is on course for
another convincing victory over his last
remaining rival for the Republican
nomination Nikki Haley Ronda santz
dropped out of the race after a
lackluster campaign and is backing
Donald Trump this was Nikki Haley's
reaction to the news he didn't call or
inform me and look this is what the
fellas do the difference is I don't take
politics personally I never have and I
think that's the problem with where we
are now is you now have people who want
to decide who's a good Republican who's
a bad Republican who's a good person
who's a bad person that's why our
country is so divided I don't judge
people I focus on policy that's going to
make America stronger I don't take
politics personally I'm not thin skinned
like Donald Trump I think that people
don't want that they want a leader who's
going to bring out the best in people
and get our country going forward well
despite the polls suggesting Trump has a
big lead ahead of tomorrow's primary
Nikki Haley is still insisting she can
win Anthony scaramucci is Donald Trump's
former White House director of
communications and joins us now good
evening to you
Anthony hi Carol good evening do you
think that Donald Trump is on course for
another victory in New Hampshire
tomorrow and then the president the
nomination from the Republican Party
so I I do the short answer is yes but I
think the the longer answer is barring
some intervention from the Department of
Justice as you know he's got two Federal
cases going one for the Insurrection and
one for the theft of the top secret
documents if either of those cases are
tried this year and he's convicted in
one of those cases I think that would
probably stop him but boring that I
think think we're going to have a
rematch it's going to be President Biden
versus former president Trump let me
just pick up on those points you made
about the legal cases which are
surrounding Donald Trump a whole series
of different uh legal questions that
he's got to face so far none of those
Court appearances and none of that has
led to any denting in his popularity and
it's hard to see how any of those cases
could actually be concluded in time to
stop him running isn't
it yes I mean I and I agree I agree with
that but I mean you know the wheels of
Justice turn slowly uh but there are a
few things that could happen as you'll
recall there is a Supreme Court decision
that will come out February March
related to our 14th Amendment where two
states have taken Mr Trump off of the
ballot uh because of his threat of
insurrection and so that's right there
pretty specific in the 14th Amendment um
of course Mr Trump is uh appealing that
to the Supreme Court if the court were
to rule that the 14th Amendment as it
stands in its original content is valid
uh that would give the opportunity for
many of these blue states to remove Mr
Trump from the ballot and then he would
lose his ability to get the Electoral
College votes necessary to become
president so there are a few things in
his way uh but if you're asking me the
broader question will any of those
things stop him I'm going to say no I
think he ends up as the Republican
nominee uh despite the top secret
document case despite the
Insurrection um he's also got an
election interference case in Georgia
and he has this 14th Amendment case is
going to be heard at the Supreme Court
so he he you know he is the proverbial
Teflon Dawn and I think he can withstand
these things and he'll probably end up
as a nominee how do you think it is that
Donald Trump despite all those cases
which you've just outlined there um
despite his involvement in the January
the 6th uh violence despite all of that
and the fact that some Republicans have
been working really hard to try to stop
him how has he managed to capture so
much support across the Republican party
that he now appears
Unstoppable well I think anybody that
voted for the brexit in the United
Kingdom would likely understand his
support and so you know for myself I
grew up in a blueco collar neighborhood
and I can tell you that the blueco
collar people in the United States feel
disenfranchised they feel like a group
of Elites have sort of stolen their
aspiration in America and so maybe 35
years ago these were bluecollar
economically aspirational people and now
they feel like their bluecollar
economically desperation and so Mr Trump
represents them in their mind he's an
avatar for their anger uh he's someone
that will use the strength of his
personality as sort of a wrecking ball
against things like the media the
political establishment the medical
establishment and so they like that they
they don't like the way the system is
configured right now they think the
system is unfair to them and a result of
which he has very Ardent uh Unstoppable
unyielding support from those people and
if I could just be CID for one second
you know know Governor Haley or Governor
D santis they had an opportunity to go
after a market of other disenfranchised
voters which are the non voters they
could have created a new market the way
an entrepreneur does but they didn't do
that they just stayed in the Republican
Lane me versus Trump as opposed to going
after more griev people Barack Obama did
that in 2008 and he was able to beat the
establishment Democrats and rise to the
presidency so unfortunately the
candidates running against Mr Trump have
not proven to be
entrepreneurial
politicians and if as seems likely
Donald Trump wins uh in New Hampshire
tomorrow uh he goes on to get the
Republican nomination how do you think
that campaign against Joe Biden is going
to play
out well you listen Joe Biden's gonna
beat him like a drum and so the way he
beat him last time he'll beat him in
2024 and I'll just submit this to your
viewers and listeners whether they like
Mr Trump or don't like him ask yourself
is any new person going to be voting for
Mr Trump uh has he in any way expanded
his base or expanded his popularity I
get that his popularity is Ardent and
unyielding but the real question is are
there any new participants that want to
vote for Mr Trump and in those polls the
answer to that is no if anything his
support has shrunken and I think people
are going to play the Highlight Reel of
his Insanity over the next 10 or so
months and uh he'll lose the election
remember the econom is doing quite well
in the US I think people need a reminder
of that as well so despite all those
polls showing for example that Donald
Trump has quite a significant lead in
those important swing States and we know
that when it comes to the presidential
contest it is those small number of
Swing states that hold the key to the
result you actually think that despite
what everyone else is saying Donald
Trump's gonna
lose I I I do believe that yes and
remember we're we're talking now in mid
to late January uh that's a lifetime
away the final polling data and of
course the Biden campaign hasn't really
even geared up their targeted response
against Mr Trump so uh all of those
preliminary polls are absolutely
meaningless uh I think the differ itial
is are there any new supporters for Mr
Trump and I think the answer to that is
no and how is the economy doing under
President Biden and uh we have pretty
good economic numbers and I think we'll
have better numbers over the next 10
months so uh listen it's going to be a
brutal contest they have a combined age
of
158 or 159 years old uh both of these
guys should be into their retirement and
not running um but this is what we're
faced with these are the two choices and
I think I think President Biden will
beat them and despite the fact that we
know that a lot of Voters and a lot of
analysts uh and indeed quite a few
Democrats are very concerned that uh
President Biden's age and the fact that
he seems to be showing his age is going
to be a major
factor despite all that yes I think
ultimately um they'll they'll see him as
somebody that's an
institutionalist and that will protect
the foundational principles of the
American democracy and I think we have
to take Mr Trump at his word that he
wants to be a dictator for a day which
means more than one day and that he
wants to persecute his adversaries using
what's supposed to be an impartial
system the Department of Justice and so
I think when it when when it gets down
and dirty the American people are going
to choose the preservation of their
democracy over that time type of sorted
insanity if Donald Trump does win the
White House for a second term what do
you think a second Trump presidency
would mean um there's a lot of concern
here in the UK for example about his
concern about his approach to
International institutions his threat to
pull out of
NATO well Carol I'm I'm expecting you to
write a recommendation for me for UK
citizenship is that something you're
willing to do for
me well I'm sure that I would be
prepared to to sign any legal document
that I was legally entitled to do so
long as they were views that I held on
a no listen I'm teasing you I'm just I'm
sure that I'm gonna have to hide under a
rock for four years but but the the the
the truth be told yes he would present a
threat to the institutions of the
Democracy he had he talked about wanting
to withdraw from nato in his second term
uh and so that would be his second term
I guess the good news would be he can
only be president for four years and I
think that would be generally good for
everybody because the same way we
outlasted them last year or last time I
should say the stresses on these
institutions uh I think would be
bearable the the real question is would
he try to do something to
subvert the Democracy we we've already
seen that he's willing to foment an
Insurrection um you know remember his uh
the chief witness for the prosecution is
Mark Meadows it's not a democratically
elected prosecutor it is a former Chief
of Staff of his and it's a former
Freedom caucus member which is the
hardest right-wing of the House of
Representatives that's the chief witness
against them so we'll have somebody that
has already threatened the system uh
helped the ferment an Insurrection has
talked about the expansion of the
executive powers and the and the the
pulling out of America from NATO uh I
think it would put a lot of pressure on
our European allies and I think it would
further hurt America's standing in the
world and so for all of those reasons
I'll be working very hard to make sure
he doesn't get
reelected you talked about how this was
going to be a brutal contest between
Trump and Biden if indeed that is what
we see are we going to see debates
between these two
and and how important will they
be so it's it's a very good question um
and we may not end up seeing debates
which would be a travesty for the
American people usually these debates
are the final calling card or the final
decision-making process for the American
voter but I think there's been a general
reluctancy for both of these candidates
to want to debate and uh depending on
how close the election is we may or may
not see the debates I think that would
be a real shame it would break it would
break a longstanding tradition
uh and it it it it wouldn't be fair to
the American voter great to speak to you
uh Anthony scaramucci who was Donald
Trump's uh White House director of
communications thanks so much for
joining us
tonight
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