GROUNDBREAKING Discovery on the REAL Dates of the Gospels
Summary
TLDRThe video script discusses the contentious nature of dating the New Testament gospels, highlighting the wide range of scholarly opinions and the late first-century consensus. It critiques the reliance on church tradition and the influence of ideology on scholarship, emphasizing the need for critical analysis. The speaker promotes Dr. David Litwa's course on gospel dating, which offers a deep dive into scholarly methods without apologetics, aiming to clarify the complexities behind dating ancient texts.
Takeaways
- 📚 Bart Ehrman's 'The New Testament: A Historical Introduction' presents a consensus on late first-century dating for the four canonical gospels, despite wide-ranging scholarly opinions.
- 🕎 Mainstream academic dating places Mark's Gospel after 70 AD, with Matthew and Luke around 80-100 AD, and John around 100 AD, but some scholars propose dates as early as 45 AD or as late as 145 AD.
- 🎓 The lack of academic courses focusing on the dating of the gospels suggests a barrier to understanding the scholarly methods and debates around these dates.
- 🏛 Conservative Bible colleges tend to uphold traditional views without critically engaging with the dating question, perpetuating the myth of apostolic authorship.
- 🔍 Dr. David Litwa offers a course, 'Redating the Gospels Without Apologetics,' aiming to provide a deep dive into the scholarly methods used to date ancient gospel texts.
- 🏫 The decline of biblical literacy and the shift towards business models in higher education have led to the closure of many religion and biblical studies departments, impacting the study of the Bible.
- 💼 The study of the Bible is increasingly dominated by seminaries and religious schools with conservative ideologies, which may not align with historical critical scholarship.
- 📜 Conservative scholars often use handwriting analysis of papyri to date gospel texts, but this method is subjective and can lead to unreliable conclusions.
- 📖 The titles 'According to Matthew,' 'According to Mark,' etc., are later additions and do not indicate the actual authors of the gospels, reflecting the uncertainty around their origins.
- 🗝️ Early church tradition and the writings of the Church Fathers are not reliable historical sources for dating the gospels, as they are influenced by the desire to link the texts closely to Jesus and the apostles.
- 📝 The process of dating ancient texts like the gospels is complex and involves internal datable references rather than a single scientific method, leading to ongoing scholarly debate.
Q & A
Why do Christian apologists and Mainline Scholars of the New Testament often disagree on the dating of the gospels?
-Christian apologists and Mainline Scholars often disagree on the dating of the gospels due to varying methodologies, biases, and the wide range of possible dates based on internal and external evidence, which can span from the 40s to the 60s AD.
What is the significance of the late first-century dating of the four gospels in modern academic consensus?
-The late first-century dating of the four gospels has become modern academic orthodoxy, indicating a broad agreement among scholars. However, this consensus masks the wide range of possible dates and the ongoing debates about the exact timing of their composition.
What does Bart Ehrman's edition of the New Testament: A Historical Introduction contribute to the dating debate?
-Bart Ehrman's edition provides updated perspectives on the dating of the New Testament documents, suggesting that Mark is dated after 70 AD, Matthew and Luke around 80 to 100 AD, and John around 100 AD, which aligns with the late first-century dating consensus.
Why is there such a wide range of dates proposed by scholars for the Gospel According to Mark?
-The wide range of dates for the Gospel According to Mark, from 45 AD to 145 AD, reflects the lack of concrete evidence and the reliance on subjective scholarly judgments, as well as the influence of ideological and religious beliefs on scholarly interpretations.
What factors contribute to the difficulty in dating the texts of the gospels and the New Testament more broadly?
-Factors contributing to the difficulty in dating the texts include the lack of internal datable references, the subjective nature of handwriting analysis, the influence of political and religious ideologies, and the scarcity of early manuscripts.
Why is there a scarcity of academic courses focusing on the dating of the gospels?
-There is a scarcity of academic courses on the dating of the gospels because the subject is often considered too specialized, and there may be resistance from institutions that prefer to maintain traditional views or are influenced by religious ideologies.
What is the 'wave model of gospel scholarship' mentioned by David Litwa, and how does it relate to dating ancient documents?
-The 'wave model of gospel scholarship' is a concept introduced by David Litwa that encourages thinking about the dating of ancient documents, such as the gospels, in new ways. It likely involves considering various waves of scholarly thought and evidence to arrive at a more nuanced understanding of dating.
How does the study of the Bible in public universities and colleges in America reflect the broader trends in religious education?
-The study of the Bible in public universities and colleges in America has been influenced by broader trends in religious education, including the decline in biblical literacy and the shift towards business models in higher education, which has led to a focus on subjects that are seen as more profitable or relevant to contemporary society.
Why are traditional historical critical scholars of the Bible often unable to find jobs in academia?
-Traditional historical critical scholars of the Bible often struggle to find jobs in academia due to the dominance of seminaries and religious schools that support conservative faith-based ideologies, which may be in opposition to their critical scholarship.
What is the role of internal datable references in dating ancient texts like the gospels?
-Internal datable references are crucial in dating ancient texts like the gospels because they provide specific historical or contextual clues that can help scholars estimate when the text was written, in the absence of definitive external evidence.
How do conservative apologists use the concept of 'eyewitness memory' to support their dating of the gospels?
-Conservative apologists use the concept of 'eyewitness memory' to argue that the gospels are based on the memories of those who were present during the life of Jesus, thus supporting their claim that the gospels were written close to the time of Jesus, reinforcing their view of the gospels' reliability and truthfulness.
What is the significance of the titles 'According to Matthew,' 'According to Mark,' etc., in the context of the gospels' authorship?
-The titles 'According to Matthew,' 'According to Mark,' etc., are significant because they are later additions to the texts and do not necessarily indicate authorship by the named individuals. Instead, they reflect the Church's tradition and the mythologizing of the gospels' origins.
Why is the dating of early gospel papyri based on handwriting analysis controversial?
-The dating of early gospel papyri based on handwriting analysis is controversial because it is inherently subjective and can lead to significant discrepancies in dating. Additionally, the earliest papyri often resemble handwriting from the 3rd and 4th centuries rather than the late 1st century, complicating efforts to date them accurately.
What is the 'telephone game' analogy used to illustrate the issues with the transmission of ancient texts?
-The 'telephone game' analogy is used to illustrate how small changes made early in the transmission of a text can have significant effects on its meaning over time, much like how a message can change as it is passed from person to person in the game.
How does the Church tradition's use of mythology affect the historical understanding of the gospels?
-Church tradition's use of mythology affects the historical understanding of the gospels by creating narratives that are more ideologically driven than historically grounded. This can lead to the perpetuation of myths about the gospels' authorship and dating, which may not align with critical scholarly analysis.
Outlines
📚 Disagreements Among Scholars on Gospel Dating
This paragraph discusses the wide range of scholarly opinions on the dating of the New Testament gospels, particularly focusing on the late first-century consensus despite significant variations in estimated dates. It highlights the publication of Bart Ehrman's 'The New Testament: A Historical Introduction' in 2024 and the ongoing debate between critical scholars and conservative scholars. The paragraph emphasizes the difficulty in finding academic courses on gospel dating and criticizes the reliance on traditional scholarship and the church fathers' narratives. It introduces a course called 'Redating the Gospels' taught by David Litwa, which aims to explore the dating of ancient gospel texts without the influence of apologetics.
🏛 The Impact of Ideology on Biblical Scholarship
The second paragraph delves into the influence of political and religious ideologies on New Testament scholarship. It describes how the study of the Bible has been affected by the decline in biblical literacy and the economic pressures faced by educational institutions. The paragraph points out the shift towards business models in academia and the dominance of seminaries and religious schools in biblical studies. It also addresses the challenges faced by critical scholars in finding positions in confessional schools with restrictive social norms and the thriving of church-funded scholars who uphold religious myths.
🔍 The Challenge of Dating Ancient Texts
This paragraph examines the complexities involved in dating ancient texts, such as the gospels. It criticizes the methods used by conservative scholars to date the gospels, including the use of handwriting analysis and carbon-14 dating, which are subjective and imprecise. The paragraph also discusses the lack of early manuscripts and the reliance on later additions to the texts, such as the titles 'According to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.' It emphasizes the need for critical analysis and the importance of understanding the historical context in which these texts were written.
🗝️ The Myth of Apostolic Authorship
The fourth paragraph challenges the traditional belief in the apostolic authorship of the gospels. It argues that the gospel writers did not identify themselves as apostles or eyewitnesses, contrary to what is often claimed by conservative apologists. The paragraph discusses the late addition of the titles to the gospels and the lack of evidence supporting the idea that the gospels were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. It also critiques the use of church tradition and mythology as a basis for dating the gospels, suggesting that these traditions are not reliable historical sources.
📖 The Evolution of the Gospels and Their Textual History
The final paragraph explores the development of the gospels and the challenges in understanding their textual history. It discusses the lack of stability in the gospel texts and the absence of early witnesses, creating a 'black hole' period in the textual transmission of the gospels. The paragraph also addresses the Telephone Game effect of scribal errors and the impossibility of matching ancient manuscripts perfectly to their authors' original writings. It concludes by promoting Dr. M David Litwa's course 'Redating the Gospels without Apologetics' as a means to educate oneself on the methods used by critical scholars to date the gospels.
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Keywords
💡Christian apologists
💡Mainline Scholars
💡New Testament
💡Gospels
💡Dating of texts
💡Conservative Bible College
💡Church Fathers
💡Papyri
💡Apostolic eyewitnesses
💡Historicizing rhetoric
💡Church tradition
Highlights
Christian apologists and Mainline Scholars of the New Testament often disagree on the dating of the gospels except for the consensus that they were written after 70 AD.
Bart Ehrman's 2024 edition of the New Testament: A Historical Introduction maintains late first-century dating for the four gospels, despite wide-ranging academic opinions.
The dating of the gospels is influenced by scholarly biases, with some suggesting Mark was written as early as 45 AD and others as late as 145 AD.
Academic courses focusing on the dating of the gospels are rare and can be ideologically driven, reflecting the biases of the institutions offering them.
David Litwa's course 'Redating the Gospels' offers an in-depth exploration of dating methods for ancient gospel texts without the influence of apologetics.
The study of the Bible in public universities has declined due to financial and ideological pressures, leading to an increased influence of seminaries and religious schools.
Conservative apologists often use historical arguments to support their faith, aiming to date the gospels as close to Jesus' time as possible.
The titles 'According to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John' are later additions to the gospels and not original, reflecting the uncertainty of their authorship.
Early gospel manuscripts are mostly fragments, making it difficult to establish a precise dating through handwriting analysis alone.
Church tradition and the early church fathers' writings are often used to support early dating of the gospels, but these are considered mythology rather than reliable historical evidence.
The process of dating ancient texts like the gospels relies heavily on internal datable references due to the lack of scientific methods providing definitive answers.
The myth of apostolic eyewitnesses to Jesus is upheld by church-funded scholars, despite the lack of evidence that the gospels were written by Apostles or their companions.
Ancient biographies, like those of Homer and Aesop, were often based on their works rather than independent historical evidence, similar to the gospels' authorship myths.
The instability of ancient texts due to scribal errors and variations makes it challenging to determine the original content of the gospels.
The 'telephone game' analogy illustrates how small changes in ancient texts can lead to significant differences in later manuscripts.
The lack of witnesses to the gospels' text in the earliest period creates a 'black hole' in understanding the development of the gospels' text.
Myth Vision promotes Dr. M. David Litwa's course as an opportunity for individuals to educate themselves on the tools and methods used by historical critical scholars to date the gospels.
Transcripts
how is it that Christian apologists and
Mainline Scholars of the New Testament
can disagree on everything about the
gospels except when they were
written Bart armman published his eth
edition of the New Testament a
historical introduction in
2024 a lot has changed in the book but
not the
dates mark is still after 70 AD Matthew
is 80 to 100 AD as is Luke John finally
is around 100 the other gospels such as
the gospels of Peter and Thomas we are
told are quote much later than the
events they narrate and are highly
legendary in
quote what's really going on here a is a
critical scholar but he's supporting
dates that conservatives can happily
live with this late first century dating
of the four gospels has become modern
academic
Orthodoxy this consensus hides the fact
that date ranges for the gospels are
incredibly wide reaching anywhere from
the 40s to
the60s how is it that one scholar can
date The Gospel According to Mark to 45
ad and another to
145 what goes into dating the texts of
the gospels and those of the New
Testament more broadly you can search
far and wide for an academic course
focusing on The Dating of the gospels
you might find a seminary Divinity
School or theology Department willing to
teach you gospel
scholarship you can saw off your leg
then your arm to get into the course if
it's a conservative Bible College you
can leave your brain at the door as well
because they're just going to give you
more rehash from the church fathers
about mythical Apostolic figures names
Matthew Mark Luke and John the books you
can get on redate the New Testament are
typically by traditional Scholars or
evangelicals using the same old myths
that irenaeus used in the late 2 Century
have you ever really wanted to take a
deep dive into the dating question to
really understand how Scholars come up
with the date of an ancient gospel text
have you ever truly wanted to understand
why a text that pastors and pundits
place next to Jesus is really closer to
Justin Martyr and irus in the 2 Century
well as of this moment you have
available to you a very rare opportunity
in the course redating the gospels
without
apologetics taught by the prolific
scholar of New Testament and Gnostic
Christianity David litwa Dr litwa will
go deep into how Scholars can reliably
date an ancient document he won't just
focus on canonical texts either but
he'll bring in figures like marcian to
help you think in new ways about what he
calls the wave model of gospel
scholarship you can take Dr lit's course
anytime anywhere there's an internet
connection without moving house or
taking out a second mortgage let's step
back for a moment some people want to
present New Testament scholarship as a
kind of science with assured results
the fact is the discipline is shot
through with political and religious
ideology even when people are aiming to
seem objective if you don't understand
the role of money and politics in this
field you will inevitably fail to
understand the fragility of its assured
results America is the great experiment
in religious
education after the second world war it
tried out something that had not been
widely implemented before it fostered
the study of the Bible in public
universities and colleges Across the
Nation between about 1960 and
2010 biblical studies flourished in
secular Departments of religion here the
forces of favoritism privileging
Christianity were though never
completely overcome at least tamed the
study of the Bible was seen as important
in America because the Bible was a
cultural icon and understanding it is
important for understanding Western Art
literature film law and so on in the
pre- and post covid world and across
America and the world public and private
schools unaffiliated with churches have
been shutting down their religion and
biblical studies departments because
frankly biblical literacy is declining
and these departments do not make money
for the school colleges and universities
have long been shifting to business
models instead of focusing on public
service what does all this mean it means
that the study of the Bible is
increasingly dominated by seminaries and
religious schools that openly support a
conservative faith-based ideology in
subtle or open opposition to historical
critical scholarship like it or not
bigname colleges and universities care
more about Progressive ethics than they
do about history and
language this means that traditional
historical critical Scholars of the
Bible cannot find jobs and are forced to
drop out of the
academy frankly critical Scholars do not
want jobs in confessional schools where
either public statements of Faith or
silent social norms determine what they
can and cannot say about the Bible at
the same time Church schools and church
presses are thriving because they are
propped up by Church budgets these
churches have statements of faith and
Mission that determine what can and
cannot be said about the Bible thus
someone interested in the Bible whether
churched formally churched or unchurched
is asked to spend thousands of dollars
getting an ideological education in a
brick and mortar Seminary or church
school it's no wonder that most
religious Seekers are turning to the
internet to meet their education needs
YouTube is great but most of the content
on YouTube is patchy and at best only
provides an introduction inviting people
to go deeper into the study study of the
Bible ancient Judaism and ancient
Christianity let's just face it
conservative apologists support an
ideology which supports their faith by
and large they're not interested in
history as history but they use history
as a tool to argue for the truth of
their faith Christianity is the only
historical religion they say therefore
it must be true they claim that the
gospels are based on us eyewitness
memory to support this ideology they are
always motivated to move the gospels as
close as they can to Jesus they will use
every strategy in the book every method
and every rationale to convince you that
the gospels appeared no more than a
generation after Jesus what is at stake
for them is their truth a truth that
uses historicizing rhetoric even win
good history and good Historical Method
is against them Church funded Scholars
uphold a religious myth which the church
has been trying to uphold for centuries
the myth of apostolic eyewitnesses to
Jesus but if the gospels were written by
Apostles or their companions that would
be the very first thing that gospel
writers would say about themselves just
compare Josephus almost the very first
thing he does in his history of the
Jewish war is establish his authority as
an eyewitness Josephus has a right to
write about the Jewish War and why
because he was there and he tells you he
was there and he tells you what he saw
and heard sometimes in the first person
none of the gospel writers act this way
none of the gospel writers say who they
are tell you their names or identify
themselves as
Apostles the preface to Luke uses
historicizing rhetoric but it is not an
exception it identifies its Patron
Theophilus but refuses to say who
actually is authoring the text and why
is that the simplest answer is because
the authors or editors were not Apostles
for if they were they would have said so
this is not about humility this is
simply about common sense an Apostolic
eyewitness to Jesus who refused to
identify himself is more stupid than
humble but what about the names
virtually all the translation s of the
gospels print the titles according to
Mark according to Matthew according to
Luke never bothering to tell you who
these people actually are are they
historical humans or fictional
characters made up in church
tradition the first thing to know is
that every single one of these titles is
a later addition to the text an addition
not attested until the very late 2
Century 150 years after Jesus lived this
is about as much time between presidents
Lincoln and
Obama as between Obamacare and the
American Civil War that's a long time
and what does according to even mean it
apparently doesn't mean written by
technically not even the church claims
that The Gospel According to to Matthew
was written by a guy named Matthew
whoever he was and yet somehow the
religious imagination still imagines
that a guy named Matthew sat at his desk
and wrote a gospel with stylus and Inc
this myth is perpetuated by the bad but
Universal habit of referring to gospel
texts by proper names Matthew Mark Luke
and and John conservative apologist and
secular Scholars use these shorthand
names without ever telling you that this
is not how the gospels refer to
themselves one might think that gospel
manuscripts would solve the problem but
no complete Bibles have been found that
date earlier than about the mid fourth
Century more than 300 years after Jesus
apologists boast that the New Testament
is the best attested text in Antiquity
but they don't tell you that in the
earliest period the manuscripts are
mostly scraps of
Papyrus sometimes no bigger than a
credit card with a paper that looks like
it passed halfway through a shredder
with holes the size of quarters and not
a single one of these gospel papy have
dates they are all dated by handwriting
and inherently subjective Judgment of
inherently subjective Scholars so here
is the game that conservative Scholars
play with the papy they know that the
so-called original copies of the gospels
have all perished so they need to get
the Papi as close to Jesus as they can
thus they scour the other books of
published Papi for early and datable
examples which they can then compare
with gospel papy then they say that the
handwriting of the early papy looks like
the handwriting of the gospel
papy and voila they move the gospel papy
as close to the late first century as
they can what they don't tell you is
that gospel papii better resemble
handwriting samples from the 3D fourth
and later centuries making it impossible
to place a papyrus in the early period
with any certainty
Carbon 14 dating does not come to the
rescue because it does not give a
precise date but a date range that is
often as long or even longer than 100
years and sometimes the date of the
Papyrus is much older than the ink but
in the dating game it's actually the
date of the ink that's important because
that alone tells us when a document was
written so conservative apologist can
look smart with their smiles and suit
coats they can overwhelm you with the
smoke screen of footnotes and their
amazing philological knowledge while at
the same time publishing unmixed and
apologetic ideology not history the
truth is no Papyrus of a gospel which
was later canonized not a single one is
reliably dated earlier than the very
late 2nd Century
not a single one and this explains why
Scholars can't agree on the dates of the
gospels no scientific method provides
the Smoking Gun in the dating game the
only reliable way to date these ancient
texts is by looking at internal datable
references what about church tradition
doesn't the early church tell us when
the gospels were written and by whom let
me ask you a question
if you were trying to study Church
ideology and mythology why would you use
Church myth to tell you when a document
was written Church tradition isn't
history it's mythology written by the
first Christian apologist who are doing
the same thing that modern apologists do
trying to get the gospels as close to
Jesus as they can let's use an analogy
if you were studying the religion of an
obscure African tribe
would you automatically believe
representatives of the tribe when they
told you that their holy books were
written by one of their inspired sages
named mmu who buried himself alive 2,000
years ago wouldn't you use comparative
African history language and literature
to understand the sacred text on their
own terms to use an example perhaps
closer to home if you were studying The
Book of Mormon and wanted a fully
understand its Origins would you
automatically accept the Mormon
tradition that the text originated from
writing on Golden Plates buried in
Palmyra New York wouldn't you ask for
the plates themselves or try to find
them and if you couldn't find them you
would use comparative 19th century
literature and linguistic analysis to
determine when and how the texts were
written and by whom the same applies to
the text of the Gospels but let's play
the apologist game for a moment because
you'll quickly find that appealing to
church tradition is like gasping water
just imagine it you take a time machine
back to the year 185 to Leon France
ancient
lugdunum here you meet irus who is
writing an apologetic work against a
Christian sect he does not like the
valentinians in the course of his attack
irus wants to prove that the four
gospels are early and they all go back
to the apostles he has surprisingly
little more than oral tradition to prove
it but he does have this obscure author
named papius who supposedly wrote in the
early 2nd
Century now papus says that there was a
guy named Mark and Mark knew the Apostle
Peter and without Peter's knowledge or
permission he wrote up a story based on
Peter's sermons and that story became
the Gospel According to mark this sounds
like an amazing external witness to The
Gospel According to Mark right it's
probably just a myth based on internal
references to what became the New
Testament itself papius or his Source
probably read the letter now called
First Peter and believing it was
actually written by Peter found an
interesting reference to quote my son
Mark end quote in chapter 5 verse 13 he
then inferred that Mark was a disciple
of Peter and thus a carrier of the
petrine Gospel
Traditions there is no tradition that
Peter himself wrote a gospel but there
was a tradition also unconfirmed that
Peter died in Rome thus an ancient
author could infer that Peter had a
disciple Mark in Rome and this Mark
wrote up Peter's sermons in a gospel
notebook which would explain why it has
a rough character and why it has Latin
terminology is any of this myth
necessarily historical no is it even
probable no because there is nothing
whatsoever backing it up apart from the
fact that it is constantly repeated by
Church funded apologist and historians
whoever made Church myths about
Apostolic authorship did the same thing
that other writers in Antiquity did when
they wanted to write biography of a
famous person people who wanted to write
the biography of Homer for instance used
data from Homer's epics to write it
never mind that Homer is probably a
mythical person and people writing 800
years after his supposed life had no
other historical source to write their
biography than the epics themselves
likewise the biography of Ides didn't
know independent Traditions about
ureides so they used his plays to
reconstruct his life they did the same
with asop another mythical figure who
was given a biography based on the
content of his fables in actual fact
these fables were probably created by
many ancient storytellers and editors
who refined them and gathered them into
collections around the fth century BCE
something similar happened with the
gospels the gospels are books in search
of authors and once authors were
determined by Church myth Pious
Christians sought for the biography of
these authors and what did they use as
sources the documents of the New
Testament themselves that is to say they
used bits and pieces from Pauline
letters from the book of Acts from other
named figures in random letters and they
concocted four four stable authors of
gospels gospels which themselves were
never stable in the first place
unfortunately the myth of the stable
author has perpetuated itself based on
Modern presuppositions of how books are
written in the modern world people write
books and send the final draft to a
publisher the publisher then types sets
the final draft runs it through the
printing press and forms a complete book
that can be released on on a definite
date that's just not how books were
written in Antiquity over a thousand
years before the printing press and
almost 2,000 years before the copy
machine no copy of an ancient book
perfectly matched what its author
actually wrote scribal mistakes
intentional or unintentional are
inevitable and a single mistake made
early in the tradition can completely
change the meaning of a sentence later
down the line it's sort of like the
telephone game where one small change
made at the beginning has huge Rippling
effects at the end this is what
apologists never tell you we may have
over a 100 New Testament Papi from the
late 2nd to 5th Century but none of them
say the same things even when they
overlaping content not a single one the
text is never the same and there are no
witnesses to the text in the earliest
period which means that there is a
century long black hole separating the
initial text of the Gospel and the
earliest witnesses to them that black
hole period is the most important period
for understanding the gospels but
Scholars have next to no idea what
happened to the texts assuming they
existed between say 50 and 150 CE this
is the bane of gospel scholarship and
it's why you need to educate yourself
about the tools and methods that good
historical critical Scholars use to date
the Gospels this is your opportunity to
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course redating the gospels without
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