Logseq vs Obisidian | Which personal knowledge management app should I choose?
Summary
TLDRこのビデオスクリプトでは、ロガーシークとObsidianという2つのノートアプリの比較を行っています。両者ともグラフデータベースに基づいていて、相互リンクを通じて情報を関連付けることができますが、ロガーシークはブロックベースのアウトリンナーであり、より多くの機能を標準で備えています。一方、Obsidianはページベースのエディターで、プラグインによりカスタマイズが可能で高速です。スクリプトでは、それぞれのアプリの利点や欠点を分析し、どちらを選ぶべきかをユーザーが判断できるように情報を提供しています。
Takeaways
- 😀 Logseek と Obsidian は両方ともグラフデータベース上に構築され、双方向リンクを用いて情報を関連付けています。
- 🔍 Logseek はローカルファイルベースで始まり、同期オプションもあります。Obsidian も同様で、ローカルファイルのみで同期サービスは有料です。
- 🆓 両ツールは個人利用で無料で利用でき、プラグインやその他の有料機能を使わない限り無料です。
- 🖥️ Windows、Linux、Mac OS で動作し、iOS と Android に対応したモバイルアプリがあります。
- 🔌 両ツールはプラグイン環境を通じて機能を拡張できますが、Logseek はアウトラインベースで、Obsidian はページベースのエディターです。
- 📚 Logseek はアウトラインベースのインターフェースで、ブロック単位で情報を整理し、ドラッグ&ドロップで移動できます。
- 🔗 Logseek はリンクされた参照を簡単に確認でき、ページに関連するすべてのブロックを表示できます。
- 🌐 Logseek はオープンソースプロジェクトであり、コミュニティからのコードの貢献が可能で、より持続的な開発があります。
- 🚀 Logseek はより多くの機能を標準で提供しており、Obsidian ではプラグインを通じて同じ機能を実現できます。
- 🎨 Obsidian はカスタマイズ性が高い反面、設定の多さとプラグインの多様性で初心者には少し戸惑うかもしれません。
- 📈 Obsidian のグラフビューは高速で使いやすく、Logseek と比べてパフォーマンスが優れています。
- 📝 Logseek は Markdown ファイルを使っていますが、他のエディターと完全に互換性があるわけではありません。
Q & A
ビデオの主題は何ですか?
-ビデオの主題は、LogseqとObsidianの比較です。
LogseqとObsidianはどのように似ていますか?
-LogseqとObsidianはどちらもグラフデータベース上に構築されており、双方向リンクを用いて情報を関連付けることができます。また、ローカルファーストでファイルが保存され、同期オプションを持ち、プラグイン環境が豊富です。
LogseqとObsidianの大きな違いは何ですか?
-Logseqはブロックベースのアウトリンナーであり、各ブロックはアウトラインの形で扱えます。一方、Obsidianはページベースのエディターであり、長いテキストを扱うことが可能です。
Logseqのネイティブ機能には何がありますか?
-Logseqにはクエリ機能、タスク管理機能、リンク参照への容易なアクセスなど、多くのネイティブ機能があります。
Logseqはオープンソースプロジェクトですか?
-はい、Logseqはオープンソースプロジェクトであり、誰でもコードベースに貢献することができます。
ObsidianのパフォーマンスはLogseqと比べてどうですか?
-ObsidianはLogseqよりもパフォーマンスが良く、グラフのインデックス作成やページのナビゲーションが高速です。
Obsidianのプラグイン環境はどのように特徴的ですか?
-Obsidianには豊富なプラグイン環境があり、公式サポートプラグインとコミュニティプラグインがあります。これにより、ユーザーはワークフローをカスタマイズすることができます。
LogseqとObsidianはどちらがマークダウンファイルとの互換性が高いですか?
-Obsidianの方がマークダウンファイルとの互換性が高く、Logseqではブロック内に複数の見出しやリストを含めることができません。
ビデオの作成者はなぜLogseqを選んだのですか?
-ビデオの作成者は、ロームからLogseqに移行し、ローカルファイルシステムで動作するアウトリンナーインターフェースが魅力的だったため、Logseqを選んだと述べています。
LogseqとObsidianはどのように一緒に使うことができますか?
-LogseqとObsidianはどちらも同じバックエンドのファイルを使用しているため、両方のツールを組み合わせて使用することができます。
Outlines
😀 LogseqとObsidianの比較
ビデオではLogseqとObsidianの比較をテーマに、両ツールの共通点と相違点を解説しています。LogseqとObsidianはどちらもグラフデータベースに基づいていて、双方向リンクを用いて情報を関連付けていますが、Logseqはアウトライナーベースでブロック単位で操作でき、Obsidianはページベースのエディターです。また、両ツールともにプラグイン環境があり、コミュニティも活発です。しかし、Logseqはオープンソースで、より多くの機能が標準で提供されています。
🔍 Logseqのアウトライナー機能と相続性
Logseqのアウトライナー機能について解説しています。Logseqではブロック単位で情報を整理でき、親ブロックと子のブロック間のリンク関係が相続されます。これは、情報の整理や参照を効率化する重要な機能と言えます。また、Obsidianでもプラグインを利用することで同様のアウトライナー機能を実現できますが、Logseqは標準で提供している点が特徴です。
🚀 LogseqとObsidianの主な違い
LogseqとObsidianの主な違いについて説明しています。Logseqはアウトライナーベースで、より多くの機能が標準で提供されています。一方、Obsidianはページベースで、カスタマイズ性やプラグイン環境が非常に豊かです。また、Obsidianはパフォーマンスが優れており、グラフビューや公開機能などLogseqにはない機能も備えています。
📚 LogseqとObsidianの使用理由と共存方法
Logseqを選択した理由や、LogseqとObsidianを共存させる方法について語っています。Logseqのアウトライナー機能や、より直感的な操作感が好まれた理由です。また、Obsidianのグラフビューやプラグイン環境を活用して、Logseqと組み合わせて使用することで、双方向リンクを活用した情報管理が可能であることが強調されています。
🛠 LogseqとObsidianの使い分けとリソース紹介
LogseqとObsidianの使い分け方や、どちらのツールを使うべきかの判断材料として、作者自身の経験や感想を共有しています。また、リソースとしてチュートリアルやワークフローのシステム、さらにはLogseq Masteryというコースを紹介しています。このコースではLogseqの基礎から応用まで学ぶことができ、ゼロからヒーローになるガイドラインが提供されています。
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Logseq
💡Obsidian
💡ブロックベース
💡プラグイン
💡同期
💡グラフデータベース
💡オープンソース
💡カスタム同期オプション
💡モバイルアプリ
💡ダイナミックジオメトリ
Highlights
视频将比较Logseq和Obsidian两款笔记软件,为观众提供决策支持。
两款软件都基于图数据库,使用双向链接来关联信息。
Logseq和Obsidian都支持本地存储和同步选项。
两款软件均对个人用户免费,提供丰富的插件环境。
Logseq是块状基础的大纲工具,而Obsidian是基于页面的编辑器。
Logseq拥有更多的原生功能,如查询功能和任务管理。
Logseq是开源项目,具有社区贡献和长期可维护性。
Logseq的块状模型提供了拖放功能和块状检索的优势。
Logseq的界面更直观,链接导航更易于使用。
Logseq默认采用每日日志方法,促进新的工作方式。
Obsidian的页面模型对于习惯于文件和文件夹的用户更熟悉。
Obsidian在性能上更快,尤其是在索引和导航方面。
Obsidian拥有广泛的插件环境,支持高度自定义。
Obsidian的图视图功能比Logseq更加强大和易用。
Obsidian具有内置的发布功能,可以将笔记一键发布到网络。
Logseq的Markdown文件与其他程序的兼容性有时不一致。
演讲者选择Logseq的原因包括其块状界面和本地存储的熟悉性。
演讲者展示了如何将Obsidian和Logseq结合使用,提高效率。
Logseq的文档模式允许用户像在Obsidian中一样连续输入文本。
推荐资源和课程,帮助用户更深入地了解和掌握Logseq。
Transcripts
so we're officially going to enter into
some Muddy Waters with the log seek
versus obsidian comparison video and a
lot of people have been asking for this
recently so I figured now is a good time
obviously it's also the sort of video
that lots of people like to see so I
might as well get into it it's going to
be a long video but I hope it's going to
have all the information that you need
to help you make the decision or just
make you aware of what logseek is and
how it differs from a obsidian so a
couple of disclaimers I'm obviously not
an obsidian expert I have used obsidian
side by side with log seek not
extensively I've used log seek
extensively I prefer log seek and it's
helpful to say that up front and I'm
obviously incentivized by my own log C
course which I will give details at the
end of this video so that might color my
perception a little bit I'll be using
log C to go through the outline of this
video and as I usually do I share my
screen and I'll show you the notes but
I'll also jump into obsidian every now
and again but it's mainly going to be
take taking place from the logseek
interface now it's important to clarify
that this is not a winner takes all sort
of debates
both tools are working on the same back
end of files and we'll get into that and
you can use them both as I will show
later in the video so don't worry you
don't have to ditch obsidian or log seat
you can use them both in this wonderful
happy Harmony of tools for thought the
first thing that I'm going to look at is
how the tools are similar they both have
the same DNA running through their veins
to some degrees so let's have a look at
that so both tools are built on top of
graph databases that use bi-directional
linking to relate information to other
pieces of information now I think I
should have added another disclaimer
that I'm going to assume that most
people who watch this video are familiar
with bi-directional linking being either
a log seek or obsidian user so I'm not
going to go right into the basics with
what all these things are there's other
resources for that now what this gives
you is a hypertext-like interface that
enables you to click between different
pieces of information this is common to
both applications that I can click
between things and use as hypertext
linking
then when I look at file storage both
are local first with a sync option so
what local first means is that the files
are stored on your PC and then both now
have a custom sync option so log seek
uses markdown or org mode test text
files and they have log seek sync which
is available for open Collective backers
people who are giving more than five
dollars per month on the on the donation
website and then obsidian has markdown
files only so it doesn't have org mode
files and obsidian sync costs eight
dollars per month okay so
having said that the pricing comes next
both are free forever for personal use
so if you're not using sync or if you're
not using some of the other features
which are priced then you have the
ability to use these applications for
free which is quite great and that is
one of the big draw cards I think of
both log seek and obsidian okay looking
at operating systems and mobile apps
they both work across Windows Linux and
Mac
OS and then they both have mobile apps
so IOS and Android however for the
Android app on
log seek you need to download it by
GitHub you won't find it on the Play
store okay extensibility both of these
tools have extensive plug-in
environments that enable you to add
features on top of a core feature set
that you get
and then Community both of these have
strong communities on Discord and then
the final point there which is a little
bit more complicated which is why it's
at the end is transclusion of
information and translucent just means
that I can use a source of or some
information from some source and
reference that in another place and I
can also change it in the other place if
I want to so that's a that's an embed
the reference is just I'm showing the
original text so if I make an edit to
the text in the original place it will
reflect everywhere else okay so
don't want to get into the nitty-gritty
and and go into examples for all these
things but that's how the tools are
similar I want to then illustrate the
major difference between the tools so
log seek is fundamentally a block based
outliner so you can see here that I've
got these bullet points basically that
show different blocks
and you can think of a block almost as a
paragraph that's one mental model to
think of it to illustrate this outliner
approach I'm going back to the full
video description and showing the
breakdown so these are all the main
sections in the video but then what I
can do is expand and collapse each of
the different sections to
show just the information that I want at
any given time and I can also zoom into
this block over here so this is going
into a specific block and that outline
enables me to just see the piece of
information that I want to see and work
on this piece of information at the same
at any time so I can go here and I can
edit this over here
and if I go back another way to
illustrate this is just with this mock
map plugin and if I go to level two over
here it just shows this breakdown of
this video
in this tree like structure so now
that's the main thing about vlogseek it
is a block based interface so each of
these is a block another important part
about outliners is this inheritance of
links so this would be a parent's block
which has got some children block
underneath it and if I specify some sort
of relationship here or link
what it means is that this child block
also inherits that relationship over
there okay so that's important now
obsidian can do all of these things with
plugins it's important to put that
caveat out there I'm sure someone's
going to give you some comments about
like what oxygen can do with plugins yes
obsidian is very powerful with all these
plugins and you can have an outline
obsidian but it's fundamentally a
page-based editor so what that means is
that it's a long form text editor so if
I go to obsidian and I say
create new file I'm going to say
an example file over here and then I can
start entering in this example file okay
so this is some text
there are no
blocks yeah
yeah now if I wanted to make those
blocks I could make them blocks by just
saying Dash there and then Dash there
and now I have the blocks and I've got
the outliner plugin and I can say Tab
and I can say shift Tab and I can do all
the things that I'm doing in
log seek but fundamentally it is a
page-based editor so you won't see these
blocks from the start
there we go it's just plain text
like a Word document
theoretically okay so that is the major
difference it sounds almost trivial when
you look at it but in terms of the way
they work and the workflows that you can
build in log SQL subsidian this is an
important difference
Okay so
it's almost underwhelming so we're back
in log seek and I now want to look at
where the tools stand out this is
obviously my opinion so some may differ
or someone might argue with this but
this is my view of the tools okay
log seek has more native functionality
out of the box so when you install
logseek onto your computer I feel that
there's more power in the the core
program and obviously you can do these
things with plugins in obsidian but
logseek has them natively what am I
talking about here it's got query
functionality so you don't need to add
any plugins you can just add queries in
logseek it's got built-in task
management functionality and then easy
access of linked references so if I had
to go back up to the page uh or let me
just say yeah let me go back up the page
I can go to the bottom of the page and I
can see here all the link references so
all the times that I worked on this page
it's available there at the bottom of
the page
can do this with obsidian with plugins
but we're not talking about that now so
open source development logseek is an
open source project now there's a core
log seek team that are doing the
majority of the building but anyone in
the community can theoretically
contribute to the code base and if log
SQL to all the developers work to
theoretically follow for the face of the
Earth tomorrow you could go get the code
base and create a version of logseek for
yourself or download a version of
logseek for yourself from a longevity
perspective that means that logseek will
be around forever because the code is
going to be around forever and that's a
major benefits to a lot of people
okay so the next thing is the block
based model benefits
it sounds almost trivial but the block
based drag and drop so the ability for
me to like drag and drop that block over
there and drag and drop that block over
there is a game changer for me I still
have not cracked how to do this in
obsidian so if you know how to do that
please comment below but what this means
is that if I open up the right sidebar
that was using the shortcuts Escape TR
and if I want to move a block for
instance I want to move it to a
different page I can literally click
that block over there and drag and drop
it yeah I didn't
drop it there there we go and the second
thing there is block based retrieval so
if I go to a page I can see all the
blocks that are linked to that page
which is great so it shows me if I just
go to some example here let me go to
obsidian for instance here and I can see
there
all the times that I have used the link
obsidian in my database now it shows me
where I used it so the page that I used
it on was April the 5th and it shows me
the full breadcrumbs here of where I use
that block and here we go a video that I
watched with Danny Hatcher some
insurance performance results block
reference mechanisms
those are all times that I've linked
obsidian in my database and I find that
block based retrievals to be very
powerful this one is very subjective
language Let Me Close That there the
more intuitive user interface obsidian
is a highly customizable program there
are multiple panels and menu bars and it
feels a little bit overwhelming at first
or at least it felt that way to me and
everyone's setup that I've seen looks
different so one side effect of this is
the inconsistency of tutorials and I'm
sure you've experienced this if you're
an obsidian user trying to like figure
out what people are doing now logsig has
a much simpler interface with the panels
the left sidebar and the right sidebar
so out of the box simply to use although
you can configure it with CSS as well
it's not as customizable as obsidian in
my opinion log seek linking is easier to
navigate showing those hyperlinks where
everything opens up I can open up in the
main panel I can open up side panel that
just feels easier to navigate I go to
the bottom to see my link references you
can customize all those things and
obsidian to do that but out of the box
log seek feels more intuitive
and then this one is going to be
contentious but logseek defaults to the
Daily Journal approach
okay I feel like I'm caviating all the
time yes you can do this with a plug-in
and obsidian but logseek by default
starts you in your Daily Journal now
at first this seems trivial and it
probably annoys a couple of people but
what it enforces is a new way of working
where you start from your Daily Journal
and you just use that as a scratch Pad
now this is some content from our course
and if I can actually just shift click
open that up in the right sidebar there
over here
and yeah
every time you enter log Seek You Are
confronted with this equivalence of an
A5 Journal calendar and this is sort of
your scratch pad on the side of your
page or the side of your disk and that
enables you to like jot down things as
they happen and then link them out to or
link them into the important places that
you need to find them later on so what
this allows is very efficient input so I
don't have to think where do I put this
information I don't think okay this is a
page or this is the folder whatever I
just go to my Daily Journal I start
typing it out and then I add a link or a
tag so that I'm able to find that
information later on okay so let's go to
obsidian to see the obsidian wins
obsidian the page based model will feel
more familiar to Sun so if you're coming
from Microsoft Word or Google Docs
obsidian's inclusion of the file and
folder approach is going to feel more
natural to you so yes you can have
folders in obsidian and lots of people
still like it and there's nothing wrong
with having folders but I like the whole
backlinked approach for everything
that's just organized by tags and links
and in my outline so I use outlines a
lot for my organization but for a lot of
people this page-based approach is going
to be more familiar okay
speed slash performance okay this is
undeniable obsidian is much quicker than
log seek log seeks important performance
has improved dramatically over the last
year and I'll get to that now but
indexing your graph navigating to pages
and using your graph view it's lightning
quick and obsidian now to highlight this
it's important to carry out this is at
the beginning of last year what this
shows is the importing speed for a
number of different files and this is a
little bit more probably but like at the
top here for two thousand five thousand
and ten thousand files obsidian crashes
it all in under 17.8 seconds
log seek failed to import 10 000 files
when this test was done as I said this
was done in January 2022 so there's been
a lot of developments since then but it
just goes to show that obsidian really
is Speedy out the box okay the extensive
plugin environment now as I I've
probably alluded to there's a lot of
plugins that can do everything but
there's a really cool differentiation
with these core plugins that are
supported by the development team of
obsidian and that's a real one and then
there's a community Plugin or a list of
community plugins which can do
absolutely anything you want you can get
a plugin for basically anything and you
can also stitch together these plugins
to customize your workflows so for some
people who love tinkering with their
workflows this is great for me not my
cup of tea
and continuing those points everything
is customizable in obsidian okay as I
mentioned this could be a cotton and
I'll get to that right now but if you
know what you're doing you can configure
your preferences and your themes and
everything to just be perfect exactly
what you want log seek not quite there
you're still limited by the interface
with that left sidebar the right sidebar
Etc
okay the downside of this though is a
proliferation of settings if I go to my
settings now there's all these menus to
try and get it to what I like in logseek
or to at least be familiar to what I
have in log seek and then certain things
only work in certain themes which
doesn't feel very resilient but I'm sure
log seek is actually the same where some
things don't work for certain teams so
it's probably not just a obsidian
drawback
okay
next one here is the obsidian graph view
obsidian's graph view is phenomenal it's
much quicker than log Seeker it's much
more easy to navigate and search there
are plugins in log seek now I'm talking
about logseek plugins which enable you
to get to the same well actually a
similar functionality to obsidian graph
but hands down obsidian graph wins okay
and this is a very cool feature obsidian
has an in-house publish feature this
enables you to one click publish your
notes to the web this costs 16 a month
but for a lot of people that's worth it
and I cannot wait until blog seek has a
similar feature again the plugins on a
log seek side but I don't like using
plugins so maybe this is why I started
using obsidian first
sorry log seek first okay and then the
markdown compatibility
okay let me go here so whilst log seek
uses markdown files they're not always
100 compatible with other files so let
me open this up in the right and then
open logseek up in the left
so
just to say a little bit more it strips
out blank lines and sometimes they're
inconsistencies and I just play with
that it's okay but it doesn't allow for
multiple headings in a single block so
this is a block here then there's some
text then there's another heading and
there's a block this is not how I want
it to be I want it to be
um let me delete this here and then
shift enter there and then insert it and
then putting this all in one block and
log seek is unable to render it it says
yeah log C doesn't support multiple
unordered lists or headings in a block
and obsidian does it no problem so
that's just something to be aware of the
markdown is not always 100 compatible
across different programs whereas
obsidian is
okay I'm gonna close this up I'm going
to maximize log seek and jump into the
next section why did I choose log seek
over obsidian now a lot of people have
asked me this question so I just figured
I'd add this over here I was looking for
the familiar block based interface of
Rome so I started using Rome like a lot
of log C users I think did and at the
end of 2020 I started sort of just like
figuring out how to use it but I wasn't
using it enough to justify the 15 a
month and so I went looking for other
applications now to be honest I wasn't
even very cognizant of this whole block
based idea I wasn't using block
references I wasn't doing any of that
fancy stuff I was just I liked this
outline interface where I could see that
block there this block here I can
collapse it expand it zoom into that
block
that's what I was looking for and that's
what I found in logseek and I didn't
grasp the way obsidian worked first okay
so Rome was a cloud-based web app and
obsidian was using local storage now
logseek uses local storage so how does
this make sense well luxyc bridged those
two worlds for me I understood how this
outliner block based app would work on a
local file system so I could see the
markdown files and understand that what
I was seeing on my computer or in the
logseek interface was working on my file
storage system which was a huge win for
me and when I bridged those two worlds
it was just fantastic it worked out the
box that I was able to do what I was
doing in Rome and easily migrate
everything over and
run from there
okay and obviously I wasn't interested
in the plugin environment in
obsidian you can see I'm a little bit
hesitant to using plugins I do use them
now I use
probably about 10 plugins for for
logseek but to get what I needed in the
beginning I didn't know how I would go
about doing that in obsidian so that's
why I just stuck with logseek my verdict
I feel like this goes without saying I I
prefer the block based outliner
functionality of logseek the fact that
it works out the box and that there's
like more of this functionality like
queries accessible to you right from the
get-go that seems to me like a real big
draw card and there are still some
initial hurdles to overcome when you are
learning an application and I'll speak
more to that later but the block based
outliner approach just works for me
however I like working with them
together now
all that I've said about the plugin
interface I have eventually adopted some
plugins and I want to show you how I use
obsidian to build my dialogue so if I
actually just go here to control K and I
say dive
um
let's see my dive logbook
it's wider
all the Dives that I've done so
I've done 46 Dives I'm sure I have more
anyways I haven't added them in and what
this is is just a query that is looking
at all the blocks that have a property
dive number okay so let me just turn
this off so that it looks a bit better
there we go okay so here I've got all my
Dives and I could go and and look at the
dive dates and I could look at the
location but now if I go to obsidian
and let me go over here I've got this
interactive map view which comes from a
plugin and I'm going to zoom in here and
these are all the places that I've been
to in a country in South Africa and over
here
I can see my diving trip so if I open up
seduana Bay I can see the location and I
can see that I've got 36 references this
is using the strange new walls plugin
which gives me some nice functionality
and I can see they
all my Dives in Sedona Bay I've just
scrolled up to another place that I
thought would be interesting a few years
ago I did the community of Santiago and
I took all my notes digitally and I now
have all those notes in here
this is actually linked to another page
this would be linked to a date page so
if I just go to logseek and let me just
say
Laredo because I saw that there
you can see there that I've added photos
and notes from all those days and that's
all in log seek but it also interfaces
nicely with obsidian so just an
indication of the things that you can do
okay so this last Point here getting
document mode and log seek when you
enter it always enters the new block but
what you can do is you can say Escape TD
and that enters document mode so now I'd
start typing now I type
and there are no blocks
so I think that will be useful for
someone who is looking at obsidian
thinking ah but I can't do this in log
seek you can sort of there will be a
block over there and if I open the file
page so let me just go here and then say
well let me just go back to the full
video and if I open that with the
default app
you'll see there that
I'll zoom in here
there is the original block over there
but then it's not entering any more
dashes to enter new blocks
okay
so let me turn document mode off and
then go to some resources a good
resource if you're looking to get
familiar with those blocks and Pages
approach I made a full video which I
break down in an analog way how to think
about blocks and Pages this is a great
article by TFT hacker talking about
obsidian versus logseek
they are the performance results that I
was speaking about so I'll add all these
links below and then just to get that
outlining
sorted in obsidian you can have a look
at that resource which will be linked to
below of course this is also my course
if you're looking to learn log seek and
master these these Concepts I have gone
deep into logseek and this course took a
long time to build I was working on it
over the whole of last year and I'm
still adding and refining things so it
represents all my knowledge of how to
use log seek and it's all in there it
really is a Zero to Hero guide to using
log seek so go have a look at that if
you're interested
great so that's about all that I have to
say about log seek versus obsidian have
a look at the course let me know what
you think in the comments be nice and uh
yeah have a great day thanks so much for
watching the video to the end I really
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