Why platonism/platonic concepts are fodder and don't scale anywhere

Summary

The video script critiques Platonism, a philosophy asserting that abstract forms or ideas are the true reality from which material objects derive. It argues that while Plato was right about the abstract nature of concepts like mathematics, he erred by considering all concepts as objective, including subjective ones like beauty and victory. The speaker contends that Platonism fails because it cannot account for the existence of subjective concepts and their lack of universal applicability. The argument concludes that Platonism's value is limited, especially without a proper understanding of the distinction between objective and subjective concepts.

Takeaways

• 📚 Platonism is a philosophical theory suggesting that material objects are derived from abstract, immaterial concepts or 'forms'.
• 📐 Plato used mathematics as an example of abstract concepts, positing that they exist in a realm called the 'hyperuranium' or 'world of ideas'.
• 🤔 The speaker argues that Platonism fails because it assumes all concepts are objective and universally applicable, ignoring the existence of subjective concepts.
• 🧐 Objective concepts are described as universally valid and applicable, such as mathematics and space-time, with underlying universal rules or axioms.
• 💭 Subjective concepts, on the other hand, are considered to lack universal applicability, such as the concepts of beauty, victory, or glory, which are human constructs.
• 🔍 The script highlights the issue with Platonism's view that subjective concepts like beauty are objective, suggesting that transcending such concepts is nonsensical.
• 🌐 It is argued that transcending dimensions or space-time implies being above the origin of physical structures, which is a flawed notion when applied to subjective concepts.
• 🚫 The speaker asserts that subjective concepts do not exist in a transcendent or objective sense, challenging the foundational assumptions of Platonism.
• 🔄 The script suggests that there is no correlation between Platonic concepts and higher scaling or outaversal concepts, indicating a disconnect in Platonic thought.
• 🔄 The final point made is that subjective concepts are non-existent in an objective sense, and that value cannot be created without a real and correct skill to follow.

Q & A

What is Platonism and why is it considered useless by the speaker?

Platonism is a philosophical theory that suggests every material object is derived from a perfect, abstract, and immaterial concept or form. The speaker considers it useless because it fails to account for concepts that do not have universal or existential applicability, treating them as if they were objective when they are actually subjective.

What does the speaker mean by 'hyperuranium' or 'world of ideas'?

The 'hyperuranium' or 'world of ideas' refers to Plato's concept of a realm where perfect forms or ideas exist, separate from the material world. It is the place where Plato believed the true essence of all things resided.

Why does the speaker argue that Plato was only partly right?

The speaker acknowledges that Plato was correct in considering abstract concepts like mathematics and time as existing independently of the physical world. However, the issue arises when Plato extended this idea to subjective concepts, treating them as if they were objective and part of the perfect forms.

What is the difference between objective and subjective concepts according to the script?

Objective concepts are those that are universally or essentially valid and applicable in all cases, such as mathematics and space-time. Subjective concepts, on the other hand, lack universal applicability and are more related to human ideation, such as the concepts of beauty, victory, or glory.

How does the speaker refute the idea of transcending subjective concepts like beauty?

The speaker argues that transcending subjective concepts is nonsensical because these concepts do not have a physical property, axiom, or universal principle. They are human constructs and do not exist in a way that can be transcended or scaled.

What does the speaker imply about the existence of subjective concepts?

The speaker implies that subjective concepts do not have an actual existence; they are human ideations and lack any objective value or universal principle, thus they cannot be said to exist in any real or objective sense.

What is the speaker's stance on the correlation between Platonic concepts and higher scaling?

The speaker believes that there is no correlation between Platonic concepts and higher scaling, especially when it comes to subjective concepts, as they do not have a basis in objective reality.

Why does the speaker say that Plato ignored the practical implications of his theory?

The speaker suggests that Plato ignored the practical implications by treating all concepts as if they were copies of perfect forms, without considering the subjective nature of some concepts and their lack of existential applicability.

What is the speaker's final point regarding the existence of concepts?

The speaker's final point is that there is only one thing that truly exists, which is that which is, and there is no such thing as that which exists but cannot be, implying that subjective concepts do not truly exist.

How does the speaker view the practicality of Platonism in everyday life?

The speaker views Platonism as impractical in everyday life, especially when it comes to subjective concepts, because it does not provide a real or correct skill to follow in the first place.

What does the speaker suggest about the value of beauty?

The speaker suggests that the value of beauty is subjective and does not exist in an objective way. It is a human construct and cannot be used as a basis for creating value at will.

Outlines

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📚 Critique of Platonism

This paragraph critically examines Platonism, a philosophical theory suggesting that material objects are derived from abstract, immaterial concepts. It argues that while Plato was correct in considering abstract concepts like mathematics as existing in a 'hyperuranion' or realm of ideas, he erred by assuming all concepts, including subjective ones like beauty and victory, to be objective. The summary points out that Platonism fails to account for the existence of subjective concepts, which lack universal applicability and do not exist in a transcendent realm. The critique emphasizes the distinction between objective concepts, which have universal rules or axioms, and subjective concepts, which are human ideations without physical properties or existential principles.

Keywords

💡Platonism

Platonism is a philosophical theory that posits the existence of abstract, non-material forms or ideas that are more real than the material world. In the video, it is criticized for being 'completely useless' and 'scaling absolutely nowhere' because it suggests that material objects are imperfect copies of these perfect forms, an idea the speaker finds flawed.

💡Abstract

Abstract refers to concepts or entities that do not have a physical existence and are not tied to any specific instance. The video discusses abstract objects like mathematics and numbers, which Plato considered to be part of the realm of ideas, separate from the material world.

💡Immaterial

Immaterial denotes something that is not composed of matter and lacks physical properties. The script uses this term to describe the nature of the perfect forms or ideas in Platonism, which are said to be the source of all material objects but do not have physical existence themselves.

💡Hyperuranium (World of Ideas)

The Hyperuranium, or the World of Ideas, is a realm in Platonic philosophy where the perfect forms or ideas reside. The video mentions this as the place where Plato 'shoved' all perfect origins and forms, separate from the material world.

💡Objective Concepts

Objective Concepts are those that are universally valid and applicable in all cases, such as mathematics and space-time. The video argues that Plato incorrectly considered some subjective ideas to be objective, leading to a misunderstanding of the nature of reality.

💡Subjective Concepts

Subjective Concepts are ideas that are not universally applicable and are often tied to individual perspectives or cultural contexts. The script uses examples like 'duality' and 'beauty' to illustrate how these concepts do not have an objective existence and are not part of the realm of ideas in Platonism.

💡Transcendence

Transcendence refers to the idea of being beyond or above the normal range of existence, often in a spiritual or philosophical sense. The video discusses how Platonic ideas are considered transcendent, existing beyond the physical world, but criticizes this notion as unfounded.

💡Existential Applicability

Existential Applicability pertains to the real-world relevance or impact of a concept. The script argues that subjective concepts like 'beauty' lack existential applicability because they do not have a concrete existence or universally accepted principles.

💡Axioms

Axioms are fundamental principles or assumptions that serve as the basis for a system of thought or theory. The video mentions that objective concepts like mathematics rest on universal axioms, in contrast to subjective concepts that lack such foundational principles.

💡Dimensional Structure

Dimensional Structure refers to the properties of objects or phenomena that exist within a certain number of spatial dimensions. The script uses this term to discuss how transcending the concept of dimensions or space-time does not imply the existence of abstract forms beyond physical reality.

💡Intellectual Critique

Intellectual Critique is the process of analyzing and evaluating ideas or theories at an intellectual level. The video provides an example of an intellectual critique of Platonism, arguing that it does not hold up under scrutiny and lacks practical relevance.

Highlights

Platonism is a philosophical theory suggesting that material objects are derived from abstract, immaterial concepts.

Plato posited that abstract entities like mathematics exist in a realm called the hyperuranium or world of ideas.

Plato's theory is criticized for considering everything as a copy of an original perfect form, ignoring non-existent concepts.

Concepts are differentiated into objective and subjective, with objective concepts being universally valid.

Subjective concepts lack universal applicability and are considered human ideations without physical properties.

Transcending a concept of dimensions or space-time implies being above the origin of physical structures.

The concept of beauty is used as an example of a subjective idea that lacks an objective, existential level.

Plato's error is highlighted in considering concepts like beauty as objective, leading to flawed transcendental conclusions.

The speaker argues that there is no correlation between Platonic concepts and higher scaling or outaversal.

Subjective concepts do not exist in reality; only that which exists without qualification is acknowledged.

The absence of a qualifiable objective value means that value itself cannot be created at will.

Platonism and related concepts are deemed useless unless applied to the Platonic concept of time and space.

The speaker emphasizes that Platonic concepts fail to scale without a proper understanding of time and space.

The critique of Platonism centers on its inability to account for the existence or non-existence of concepts.

The speaker concludes that Platonic ideas are fundamentally flawed without a basis in objective reality.

Transcripts

let's talk about why platonism is

completely useless and scales absolutely

nowhere platonism in simple terms is a

philosophical theory that says that from

every material object derives its own

concept its own perfect origin where the

material object cannot be the cause of

its own existence and depends on

something higher precisely a concept

that has a properties of being abstract

and immaterial Plato as an example used

mathematics and numbers as he considered

them to be abstract and considered every

single contingent in contingent entity

to be derived from something and that is

why Plato shoved all these perfect

Origins and forms into a single realm

called the hyper uranium or the world of

ideas only in part was Plato really

right that in cases where he took time

or even mathematics as references and

considered them abstract Concepts the

problem arises at a point where he

himself considered everything to be a

copy of what was the original and

perfect form without any Scruples in

practice he ignored the case where there

are Concepts that don't actually exist

to get into specifics a concept is an

idea a conception that represents a

phenomenon its origin there are Concepts

considered as objective since they are

universally or essentially valid and

applicable in all cases and occasions

but there are also subjective Concepts

since they have no Universal or

existential applicability objective

concepts for example are mathematics

space time or any High physical value

that has a universal rules or axioms on

which to rest subjective Concepts on the

other hand are ideas such as Duality

between fire and water or fire and ice

light Darkness good evil the concept of

Glory Victory Beauty fear and the likes

the difference is obvious transcending a

concept of Dimensions or space and time

implies that no matter what physical or

dimensional structure you may have

because you are above the very origin

from which the structure comes you will

automatically and logically find

yourself above the structure itself in

contrast to transcending the concept of

beauty that doesn't qualify for anything

since Beauty itself doesn't exist it's a

human ideation that lacks any physical

property Axiom or Universal principle on

the existential level the same reason it

applies for Glory and any other

subjective concept going back to Plato

the point is that he considered things

like Victory or beauty objective and

therefore following platonism

transcending something like evil or

Justice should qualify to be Beyond any

physical or dimensional extension or

applicability I think it's also

self-evident that this is a load of crap

but for the developed feel of Intel like

who don't get it it seems to me to be

proper to say that between a platonic

concept and an outaversal or higher

scaling there is no correlation the last

point to be made is a subjective

Concepts do not exist in fact there's

only one that which is and cannot be

there is that which exists there is not

that which exists which cannot

I don't know if that's just what I said

therefore if the concept of beauty is

subjective this is an example by the way

it does not mean that it exists in a

subjective way but it means directly

that beauty does not exist and therefore

since there is no qualifiable objective

value that it is possible to create the

value itself at will precisely because

there is no real and correct skill to

follow the first place so platonism and

things that relate to platonism skill

absolutely nowhere unless you're scaling

the platonic concept of time and space

if you're not scaling the platonic

concepts of time and space then it

skills absolutely nowhere