Matt Goodwin Talks Stopping Invasions
Summary
TLDRIn this discussion, a former academic explores key issues in British politics, focusing on immigration and the shortcomings of the current system. He highlights the failure of British elites to provide adequate data on immigration and advocates for reforms, such as repealing the Human Rights Act and strengthening deterrents like deportations. The conversation also touches on the rise of a new generation of political thinkers, the role of new media, and the need to hold elites accountable. The speaker aims to raise awareness and push for radical change through political activism and media engagement.
Takeaways
- 📚 The speaker has left the University of Kent but still considers themselves partly in academia, focusing more on public discourse and shaping national conversations.
- 🎓 They have an upcoming book called 'Bad Education,' focused on universities and the state of education.
- 🎥 A new 17-minute short film, 'How to Stop an Invasion,' was released, highlighting systemic issues around illegal migration in the UK.
- 📊 The speaker criticizes the lack of public data on immigration in the UK, contrasting it with countries like Denmark and Finland, which release such data.
- 🏛️ They argue for a tougher stance on illegal immigration, advocating for leaving the ECR, reforming the Human Rights Act, and using deterrents like the Rwanda plan.
- 🚪 The speaker supports mass deportations, particularly of foreign criminals and individuals involved in scandals like grooming.
- 👥 A generational divide is emerging in British politics, with younger conservatives pushing for a more direct, nationalistic approach.
- 📈 The speaker emphasizes building an alternative to the 'failing status quo' by engaging with new political ecosystems, media, and alternative parties.
- 👥 They advocate for cooperation within the political right rather than rivalries, aiming to focus on shared goals for political change.
- 🕊️ A key theme of their upcoming speech is the murder of Thomas Roberts, a young man killed by an illegal migrant, which they believe should be more widely known.
Q & A
Who is the speaker in the transcript, and what is their background?
-The speaker is a former academic, who has left the University of Kent. They are transitioning into public conversation and politics, trying to shape national debates, particularly around immigration.
What is the purpose of the speaker's new film 'How to Stop an Invasion'?
-The purpose of the film is to raise awareness about how the British system is failing its citizens in dealing with immigration issues. The film covers every aspect from immigration routes to the Supreme Court and suggests solutions to stop illegal migration.
What are some key solutions proposed by the speaker to address illegal immigration in the UK?
-The speaker proposes three main solutions: leaving the ECR (European Court of Human Rights), repealing or reforming the Human Rights Act, and implementing a deterrent like the Rwanda plan to manage illegal immigration more effectively.
How does the speaker feel about the current Conservative government's handling of immigration?
-The speaker believes that the Conservative government, despite having an 80-seat majority, has failed to use its power to tackle immigration effectively. They argue that immigration will continue to intensify, and the Conservatives have missed an opportunity to address it.
What is the speaker's view on the lack of data related to immigration in Britain?
-The speaker is astounded by the lack of immigration-related data in Britain, especially compared to countries like Denmark, the Netherlands, and Finland, which have data on criminality, welfare, and tax codes. They feel this lack of information prevents the public from understanding the reality of immigration issues.
How does the speaker view the role of the younger generation in shaping future immigration policy?
-The speaker sees this as a generational moment, with younger people in their 20s and 30s pushing for change. They believe this new generation won't follow the 'Boomer Tory Playbook' and will instead demand stronger action on immigration and accountability from the elite class.
What is the speaker's response to Nigel Farage's skepticism about mass deportations?
-The speaker disagrees with Nigel Farage's view that mass deportations are not feasible. They argue that foreign national criminals and people entering the UK illegally should be deported, and that it is a practical solution to address the immigration crisis.
What example does the speaker give to illustrate the failures of current immigration policies?
-The speaker highlights the case of Thomas Roberts, a young man murdered by an illegal migrant, as an example of the failures of current immigration policies. They argue that Roberts' case should be as well-known as that of George Floyd to draw attention to the costs of poor immigration decisions.
What does the speaker mean by 'Fortress Britain'?
-The speaker uses the term 'Fortress Britain' to describe a future where the UK strengthens its borders and implements strict immigration controls. They believe that as immigration becomes a central issue, the country will need to adopt much tougher policies to maintain national cohesion.
What is the speaker’s long-term goal with their involvement in politics and media?
-The speaker aims to help build a viable alternative to the current political establishment. They see their role in media, such as Substack and new political parties, as a way to provide guidance, advice, and insight to push for meaningful change, particularly in areas like immigration.
Outlines
📚 Transitioning from Academia to Public Discourse
The speaker, a former academic, discusses his shift from the University of Kent to broader public conversations. He mentions continuing to contribute to academia while moving into political discourse. His new book, 'Bad Education,' focuses on the state of universities, while his Substack and political projects aim to shape national conversations. The speaker emphasizes his new focus on politics, particularly in relation to immigration, and gives an overview of his recent short film, which highlights systemic failures in managing British immigration.
🚨 Urgent Need for Immigration Reform
The speaker emphasizes the critical need to reform Britain's immigration system, specifically advocating for leaving the European Court of Human Rights and reforming the Human Rights Act. He stresses the importance of a deterrent, suggesting a policy similar to the Rwanda model for processing asylum claims outside the UK. He critiques the lack of data transparency on immigration and highlights how British citizens are accused of misinformation when no clear information is provided. He also touches on the generational divide and the rise of new, bold political voices willing to tackle immigration more directly.
🗣️ Conservative Debate on Deportations and Criminality
The speaker responds to a recent debate involving Nigel Farage, focusing on the issue of mass deportations of foreign criminals. He advocates for the deportation of individuals, particularly those involved in criminal activities like the grooming scandals, and argues for strict measures against illegal entrants. He underscores the difference between older, liberal conservative approaches and a new, assertive national conservatism that is prepared to take strong action on immigration, aligning with values of law and societal cohesion.
🎤 A New Political Ecosystem: Reform and Collaboration
The speaker discusses his involvement with reform movements and the development of a new political ecosystem, emphasizing collaboration among like-minded individuals and organizations. He stresses the importance of avoiding internal conflicts within this movement and focusing on building a credible alternative to the current political status quo. He highlights the need for a ‘battering ram’ approach to break through the liberal establishment and supports the notion that this reform movement offers the only real platform for change in British politics.
🎙️ Upcoming Speech on Immigration and Public Safety
The speaker previews his upcoming speech, which will focus on the case of Thomas Roberts, a young man murdered by an illegal migrant. He argues that cases like Roberts’ should receive as much attention as incidents like George Floyd’s and plans to highlight the sense of betrayal felt by many British citizens due to government decisions. His goal is to draw attention to the human costs of the immigration crisis and to challenge the decisions being made by politicians in Westminster.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Immigration
💡Human Rights Act
💡Fortress Britain
💡National Conservatism
💡Legal Migration
💡1952 Refugee Act
💡Rwanda Plan
💡Elite Class
💡Thomas Roberts
💡Reform Party
Highlights
The speaker describes leaving the University of Kent and branching into public discourse to shape the national conversation.
The speaker mentions a new book called 'Bad Education' that critiques the state of universities and academic standards.
Discussion on a short film titled 'How to Stop an Invasion,' which aims to raise awareness about how the UK’s system is failing to control illegal migration.
The film tracks the journey of migrants from Calais to the UK and highlights the legal loopholes in the British system, proposing reforms like leaving the ECHR and reforming the Human Rights Act.
The speaker calls for a 'Fortress Britain' approach, emphasizing the need for tougher immigration policies, including deterrents similar to Rwanda.
Critique of the UK’s lack of transparency in immigration data compared to other countries like Denmark, Sweden, and Finland, where there is detailed data on criminality and welfare by nationality.
The speaker identifies a generational shift in British politics, arguing that younger generations are no longer content with the status quo and are willing to challenge the old political playbook.
Emphasis on the importance of a new ecosystem in British politics, involving YouTube shows, podcasts, and new political parties to create credible alternatives to the current establishment.
The speaker discusses the role of the Reform Party and other new movements, calling for unity among different conservative factions to create an effective political force.
Criticism of establishment conservatism for failing to use its majority to implement immigration reforms, calling for more radical measures.
The speaker addresses the issue of deporting foreign nationals involved in criminal activities and grooming scandals, advocating for stricter immigration controls.
Reference to a generational divide seen in a recent interview with Nigel Farage, highlighting differing views on mass deportations and the feasibility of implementing them.
The speaker calls for a new generation of politicians to step up and take a direct approach to address immigration and other national concerns.
Preview of an upcoming speech focused on the case of Thomas Roberts, a young man murdered by an illegal migrant, arguing that his case should be as widely known as that of George Floyd.
The speaker ends with a call to shed light on the people who are paying the real costs of political decisions, emphasizing the importance of raising awareness about the impact on British citizens.
Transcripts
academic and friend of the show former
academic now because you've left the
University of Kent am I right not good
one I me well first it's great to be
here you can hear the energy actually
here this is a remarkable moment in
British politics I I would still
consider myself I've got I've got a toe
in Academia but I'm obviously branching
out into public um the conversation
trying to shape the national
conversation let's put it that way yeah
yeah I think it's warranted you've got a
new book coming out on that eventually
about the state of universities yeah
we've got a book called bad education
that's coming out um obviously we got
the substack we got a lot of people
reading that engaging in that content I
think it's um mainly now trying to move
more into the realm of I guess politics
well I was going to say about your
substack how to stop an invasion came
out today for those who haven't seen it
yet do you mind giving us a little
summary of the the purpose of the piece
yeah sure so this is a 17-minute short
film which basically uh is designed to
show every moment that the system is
letting down British people so it takes
you from Cal onto the beaches into the
channel landing at the UK going to the
Supreme Court being in the hotels
Westminster House of Commons and it goes
from there and then basically what I'm
trying to do is raise awareness because
you know we're in politics we talk about
this every day 95% of people out there
don't do that so it's about raising
awareness trying to go you know trying
to get this thing to get out there but
also suggesting how we fix this problem
problem and maybe we can get into it but
at the end of the video I'm saying well
look we need to leave the ECR we need to
repeal or reform the Human Rights Act
and we need an active deterrent that is
like Rwanda maybe not Rwanda maybe a
tighter Rwanda but we need a deterrent
and if we do all of those things we
might have a chance at stopping this
invasion of our country so what do you
think about for example reforming the
1952 Refugee act as well cuz I think
that's going to be another legal
trapping that we into so I think we have
to revisit all of the legal architecture
totally understand that uh we need to
look at all of the legislation that has
provided what I guess what I would call
a kind of Blair right foundation of our
system and had the conservatives used
the power they had with an 80 seat
majority they could have done all this
they failed but I think looking forward
my working assumption is illegal
migration will continue to in intensify
legal migration will continue to
intensif ify as we're speaking now in
September
2024 immigration is the number one issue
in the country this ain't going anywhere
this is just going to become more and
more Central to British politics and
eventually I think we're going to end up
trying to build something that I would
call Fortress Britain and we're going to
have to push forward politicians and
speakers and thinkers who like yourself
are not afraid to take on this issue and
talk about it in a very direct direct
way I me let me give you one micro
example one of the things I'm completely
astounded by in Britain is the lack of
data on the issue of immigration now
you've written about this as well you
look at Denmark you look at Netherlands
Sweden Finland I was in Finland last
week they've got data on criminality by
nationality welfare tax codes that data
either we have it and it's not released
or we don't even have it and then Elites
accuse voters of misinformation but
actually how can we be suffering from
misinformation if we're not being given
the information on what's happening to
our own country you I think this is
where this new gen new generation and I
do view this as a generational moment
because there are people in their yeah I
would say early 40s is still quite young
but 30s 20s who are coming up who are
saying actually we're not going to play
by the Boomer Tor Playbook anymore we're
going to try and push forward and Lotus
heers obviously is part of this a new
ecosystem that is saying actually we're
not going to play the old game we want
to really you know hold the elite class
and I do as a new Elite Class
accountable fully accountable to the
British people I do think something that
happened this week that maybe showed
that generational divide a little bit
was Steven edington's interview with
Nigel farage and I wonder how people
generally at this conference felt about
Nigel's answers because a few weeks ago
Isel oot for example published a piece
in the telegraph partner of Richard Ty
saying we need Mass deportations we've
got successful parties in Europe the afd
in Germany national rally in France G
builders in the Netherlands even Donald
Trump in the US pledging to do unmas
mass deportations of foreign criminals
illegal entrance the kinds that you were
highlighting your film and Nigel seemed
to say it can't be done it's too large a
task do you think that was a mistake or
do you think that was a a tactical play
by Nigel so I can't speak for anybody
else I can say that from my perspective
if we have 10,000 foreign National
criminals in our prisons and we're
letting out actual UK criminals because
we don't have space to me that's a
no-brainer we should be deporting
foreign criminals outside of the country
anyway we should be deporting for
example people with your nationality who
have uh been engaged with the grooming
Scandal that's an example that you we've
seen highlighted on GB news and we've
seen people like sella braan point to
that and say well we should be deporting
these people I agree with that uh I
think if you enter the UK illegally you
should not have any chance of being
given Asylum and you should have your
claim processed outside of the country
away from uh uh the British people and
our children I have no issue with all of
those things um and I think
fundamentally this is going to be the
dividing line between establishment Tor
ISM establishment conservatism and you
know what's going on here I mean I we're
speaking on day one of this conference
and we just heard a great speech by SAS
uh former SAS uh
member an Middleton who gave a really
good speech about what is it that makes
a nation how do you build a high trust
cohesive society and made the point that
you can't allow people in who refuse to
respect the rule of law and who break
laws and who break conventions and
that's exactly what we're doing in the
UK at the moment you know Thomas Soul
famously said um immigration laws are
the only laws that are ever discussed in
terms of how to help people break them
well we're doing that all the time I
mean even in response to these guys in
Parliament last week reform MPS we had a
labor MP saying the folks who are
entering Britain illegally are doing
nothing wrong I'm sorry their first act
on entering the country is to break the
law that should be a big no no we should
not tolerate that and I think this is
going to become the dividing line
between what we might call liberal
conservatism the kind of old outdated
you know um fading conservatism versus a
new National conservatism that
understands this is a defining issue of
our time yeah I do think that National
conservatism is defined by conserving
the things that you love and I think
that what you love is home and if you
invite house guests in and they start
trashing the furniture and you can't
remove those house guests anymore you
don't have home you just have a bunch of
squatters so I do think that's part of
the imperative my question is then Matt
you were at the unheard hustings you put
in a a good showing against Peter
Hitchin who absolutely insists he wasn't
saying vote conservative but just don't
vote for anyone anyone else what do you
envision yourself doing as involved with
reform for the next few years you just
hoping to give them advice strengthen
their policy what is it well I think
probably like lots of people who engage
with lotus eaters a new Eco what I would
consider part of a new ecosystem you
know we have a lot of YouTube shows we
have podcasts we have substacks we have
new political parties to me all all of
this is about building a viable
meaningful credible alternative to a
broken inevitably failing status quo I
have no interest in bickering within
that ecosystem if one group of people
are doing amazingly I'm cheering them on
if another group are doing great I'm
cheering them on like I'm not there's no
time for petty disputes and rivalries
and so on so you know I'm here to give
as much advice and guidance based on
what I've been doing for 10 15 years as
I can because I care about the country
and I'm morphing into a different kind
of figure but I also hope the younger
generation too we also understand that
you look at somebody you know say like
Nigel farage or somebody something like
the Reform Party you know the vessels
sometimes that we have in British
politics are not always the perfect
vessels that you know we would all you
know we would like them to be we can
pick apart we can say I'd like that
piece to be over there I'd like that
policy to be over there but I think
fundamentally you have to ask yourself
the question of what is the best vehicle
for leading a battering ram through this
Fortress of establishment you know
liberalism and to
me that is here like this is a vehicle
that you know just got five MPS in
Parliament 4 million votes like as far
as I can see there is no alternative
which kind of I would put the question
back to people who are not here who are
sitting at home or supporting other
small parties I say well what you're
doing with your time because if you're
serious about changing the country there
is only one springboard and and that is
here you think they're receptive enough
to New Media and the sort of youthful
energy we're seeing at the moment I mean
you've got Anonymous um as part of your
subs series it's it's great do you think
that some of those Anonymous suers are
saying things that are beyond the pay
for reform or should they be listening
to the concerns of these people I think
there's a generational Challenge and you
can you
know we have a lot of under 35 under 40s
not engaging in politics to the extent
they should I think there's an issue
around let's call it the very online
right around where they want to go in
terms of feasible realistic politics um
how they can be brought into some
existing um Avenues um but also I think
there's a question about how could this
movement not only deliver change in 29
but deliver it in a way where it also
partly passes the Baton down to a new
generation and I think that is what I'm
going to be looking out for remember you
know that is ultimately what Nigel farad
said when he announced his return that
he wanted to do two things he wanted to
build a new viable party but he also
wanted to pass a Batton down to a
generation that's coming up behind and I
I I look I would urge people just to ask
themselves a question of you know which
politician in Britain is is most ideally
Place best place to bring about serious
radical change to the status quo I
personally think there is only one
answer to that question one final thing
care to give us a preview of what the
speech is about tomorrow yeah I'm going
to give you a preview I'm going to talk
I'm going to at least give a few minutes
of a small amount of time that I have to
talk about the case of Thomas Roberts
who is a young man 21 years of age who
was murdered by an illegal migrant
and I think Thomas Robert should be as
well known as George Floyd and uh I want
more people to be aware of that case and
to talk about it uh because I think
fundamentally it Taps into what
everybody out there can sense which is a
palpable sense of betrayal and double
standards in our country so I want to
talk a bit about that I've written a bit
about it on the subset I know you're
familiar with it I know a few others uh
you know in your world are but to me it
really comes down to throwing light on
the people who are paying the costs of
the decisions that are being made in
Westminster and that is a a powerful and
Incredibly depressing example of
somebody that paid the ultimate cost
because of these ridiculous decisions
that are being taken in sw1 that's
honestly I think the best way you can
use your time that so thank you very
much thanks for your time good luck to
you guys at loader seeders appreciate it
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