Dr. Kishore explains how to make Indian Knowledge Systems relevant in today’s world
Summary
TLDRThe speaker discusses the challenges of integrating India's diverse traditional health systems into a cohesive public health approach. They highlight the need for consensus on practices like yoga, which has various schools with differing methods, and the difficulty in standardizing and regulating them. The speaker emphasizes the richness of Indian knowledge systems but stresses the importance of making them relevant and inclusive in contemporary civilization, suggesting a focus on integration and personalized treatment rather than a one-size-fits-all approach.
Takeaways
- 😀 The speaker emphasizes the need for a public health approach that integrates Indian knowledge systems into modern health practices.
- 🤔 There is a challenge in reaching a consensus on the diverse and rich knowledge within Indian health systems, which is crucial for effective integration.
- 🧘♂️ The speaker mentions the integration of various Indian yoga schools at NIMHANS, highlighting the importance of yoga for mental and neurological health.
- 🏥 As an administrator, the speaker discusses the need to recommend a standardized approach to yoga that is backed by studies and can be widely adopted.
- 🌐 The issue of commercialization and unregulated practices in yoga schools is raised, posing a challenge in regulating and standardizing these practices.
- 🌿 The speaker talks about the diversity in herbal health practices across different regions in India and the need to understand the commonalities among them.
- 🔍 Efforts are being made to create a common protocol for yoga, but the process is facing significant difficulties, indicating the complexity of integrating diverse practices.
- 🌱 The speaker highlights the beauty of Indian knowledge systems in their ability to adapt and develop localized health practices, but also points out the need for a more unified approach.
- 🤝 The importance of collaboration and consensus among different health professionals is stressed, as this is essential for the integration of Indian knowledge systems into mainstream health practices.
- 🌟 The speaker calls for a focus on making Indian knowledge systems relevant to contemporary civilization by finding a way to present and integrate them in a manner that is understandable and inclusive.
Q & A
What is the main challenge discussed in the transcript regarding the integration of Indian knowledge systems into modern healthcare practices?
-The main challenge is arriving at a consensus on which practices to integrate and how to regulate and standardize them in a way that is acceptable and effective across different regions and healthcare systems.
What is NIMHANS and what role does it play in the integration of Indian knowledge systems?
-NIMHANS stands for National Institute of Mental Health and Neuro Sciences. It plays a role in trying to integrate various Indian knowledge systems or Indian systems of health into modern healthcare practices, such as bringing together different schools of yoga.
How many schools of yoga were mentioned in the transcript as being brought together by NIMHANS?
-Six schools of yoga were mentioned: Ayengar, Bihar Munger, Lonavala or Kaivalya Dhama, Chennai, and four to five other systems of yoga.
What is the issue with the commercialization of yoga and other Indian knowledge systems as discussed in the transcript?
-The issue is that some entities have created their own commercial forms of yoga with ulterior motives, leading to a lack of regulation and a dilution of the original practices, making it difficult to discern which practices are authentic and beneficial.
Why is it difficult to convince directors and healthcare professionals about the effectiveness of Indian knowledge systems like yoga for mental health?
-It is difficult because these professionals often require evidence-based principles of management that are standardized and universally applicable, which may not align with the personalized and varied approaches of Indian knowledge systems.
What is the importance of understanding the principles behind different practices in Indian knowledge systems?
-Understanding the principles is crucial for effective integration into modern healthcare. It helps to clarify why certain practices are recommended for specific conditions and how they can be personalized to suit individual needs.
How does the speaker suggest approaching the integration of Indian knowledge systems into a common consensus?
-The speaker suggests that there needs to be a focus on making the practices inclusive, understandable, and presented in a form that is scientifically valid and can be accepted by the modern healthcare community.
What is the significance of the study mentioned in the transcript about herbal community health practices in Bangalore?
-The study highlights the diversity of medicinal plant uses across different regions and the need to identify commonalities among these practices to create a standardized approach that is still personalized to local conditions.
What is the speaker's view on the need for a personalized approach in Indian knowledge systems as opposed to a one-size-fits-all approach?
-The speaker emphasizes that a personalized approach is essential because it takes into account individual variations and is based on a holistic understanding of the person's condition, which is a fundamental aspect of Indian knowledge systems.
How does the speaker propose to address the issue of different healthcare professionals providing conflicting advice on Indian knowledge systems?
-The speaker suggests that there needs to be a concerted effort to educate and convince healthcare professionals about the value of Indian knowledge systems, emphasizing the need for a common consensus and a standardized yet personalized approach.
What is the speaker's final call to action regarding the integration and promotion of Indian knowledge systems?
-The speaker calls for the need to gather people together, make the practices relevant to the current living system, and ensure that the integration of Indian knowledge systems is inclusive, well-regulated, and scientifically validated.
Outlines
🧘♂️ Integration of Indian Health Systems
The speaker discusses the challenges of integrating various Indian knowledge systems, particularly yoga, into a cohesive public health approach. They highlight the efforts at NIMHANS to bring together different schools of yoga, such as the Ayengar, Bihar Munger, and Kaivalya Dhama schools, to create a standardized approach to mental and neurological health. The speaker also addresses the issue of commercialization and the need for regulation in the yoga industry. They emphasize the importance of consensus and standardization in managing health practices, drawing parallels with the administration of psychiatric health.
🌿 Challenges in Standardizing Indian Knowledge Systems
This paragraph delves into the complexities of standardizing Indian knowledge systems, particularly in the context of herbal medicine and traditional health practices. The speaker mentions a study conducted in Bangalore, where different regions use different medicinal plants for the same ailment, such as jaundice. The challenge lies in identifying common properties among these plants and prescribing them based on their habitat. The speaker calls for a more robust integration of these practices into a unified system that can be understood and accepted by the scientific community. They also discuss the need for personalization in treatment, as opposed to a one-size-fits-all approach, and the importance of educating the public and medical professionals about the rich diversity of Indian health practices.
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Keywords
💡Public Health Approach
💡Transit Scholars
💡Consensus
💡NIMHANS
💡Yoga Schools
💡Pranayama
💡Administrator
💡Regulation
💡Ayurveda
💡Herbal Community Health Practice
💡Personalized Treatment
Highlights
Efforts to integrate various Indian knowledge systems for health are ongoing at NIMHANS.
Six schools of yoga have been brought together, including the Ayengar and Bihar Munger schools.
Yoga is recognized for its benefits to mental and neurological health.
The challenge of consensus on which yoga practices to recommend as an administrator.
Discussion on the commercialization and unregulated aspects of some yoga schools.
The need for regulation and standardization in the practice of yoga.
The question of why Ayurveda or Siddha were not considered during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Attempts to create a common protocol for yoga over the past five years and the difficulties faced.
The identification of a live herbal community health practice market in Bangalore.
Different regions using the same medicinal plants for different conditions, highlighting the habitat-based nature of these practices.
The need for efforts to understand commonalities among various medicinal plants used for the same condition.
The richness of Indian knowledge systems and the challenges of rejuvenation and integration.
The importance of presenting Indian knowledge systems in a form that is understandable and inclusive.
The necessity to find a common consensus on principles present in Indian knowledge systems.
The contrast between the personalized approach of traditional Indian medicine and the reductionistic approach of modern medicine.
The call for integration and personalization in treatment, based on variations and individual needs.
The need to convince the scientific community and modern medicine practitioners of the value of Indian knowledge systems.
The importance of finding people who are ready to listen and take forward the integration of Indian knowledge systems.
Transcripts
presenting
a public health approach
and then two of our learned Transit
Scholars who brought about things that
are relevant from the Indian texts to uh
the principles that are relevant for
today's
you know lifestyle or today's content
the Contemporary civilizational uh
nuances so what I would like to there
are some efforts that are going on we
had these questions coming up during Dr
girija's presentation also is how do we
come to some kind of consensus you know
that is the problem we have Rich
knowledge but the problem is we have to
arrive at some kind of consensus and to
begin with let me give you some examples
at nimhans we are trying to integrate
various Indian knowledge systems or
Indian systems of Health
um we were somehow we were able to bring
together six schools of yoga you have
ayengar school of yoga
we have Bihar Munger School of yoga
ah we have lonavala or kaivalya dhama
which has its own yoga Chennai also has
Madam we have four to five systems of
yoga
and now we are saying that yoga is good
for mental health yoga is good for
neurological Health yes being a
professional the way we are speaking is
fine but being an administrator let us
bring in the perspective of an
administrator with wherein I have to
look at the whole country or maybe
trying to do some Administration here
so if I have to tell people that what is
the kind of yoga that I recommend as an
administrator so that all of you can at
least begin with you can start with you
start some kind of pranayama say this is
what is good for sympathetic and
parasympathetic system is my
recommendation and my recommendation is
based on certain studies and when I say
studies I select four or five schools of
yoga there are at least for five actual
schools of yoga there are at least maybe
around 10 to 15 of them who have very
very ulterior motives they have made
their own commercial forms they have
it's a lot of unregulatory things that
come in so if you have cons if you are
considering six schools of yoga why not
you consider me because I also have some
contributions here and then what I am
doing behind is not my job to go and
check finally I realized that he might
be doing something ulterior now how do
we regulate this
I say that jaji is a very very good uh
you know Sanskrit scholar some other
person will say that Jaa is not good or
he is he saying all you know something
which is nonsense how are we going to
bring some kind of standardized not not
standardization some kind of way in
which you regulate so this is the
problem that we face now you know why
was ayurveda or siddha not considered as
you know during the covet period this
was a question that came and now see for
for us for from the past five years we
are trying to come out with one common
protocol for yoga and you should you
should see how much of difficulties that
we are facing if I have to convince my
director the director is the director of
nimhans
she is the authority on psychiatric
health so she tells me that for
depression this is what is our
principles of management please come up
with your principle of management this
is what we are facing in health now you
imagine all those domains that came up
here so we have many principles many I'm
not saying that they're all not good I
am saying that there are so many
approaches for one particular as she was
saying we did a study we did a study we
what we did was we we identified that
there is a live herbal Community Health
practice Market at Bangalore if you you
know if you want to believe this that
there is a market and this Market there
is one vendor there are two or three ah
you know vegetable markets which are
huge and this vendor comes up only with
medicinal plants and we went and
interviewed him he says that we have
customers who ask for these medicinal
plants then we we interviewed all those
people who come to him they said that I
use this plant for for cough and cold I
use this plant for jaundice so then a
person from Tamil Nadu says I use this
plant for jaundice a person from Kerala
says I use this plan for jaundice a
person from maybe uttar Pradesh is I use
this plant for joints okay all these
three plants are used for jaundice all
these three plants have the same are
different and they are habitat based at
different habitats they have the same
properties minded they can they are
antiviral they have very good effects
okay now have we done efforts to see
that what is the common you know what is
common among all these three plants
which are used for the same condition by
the people at their habitat you know
that is the beauty of Indian knowledge
systems but then there should be some
effort where I will say that for
jaundice these are the prescribed plants
and these plants are habitat based this
is what is my suggestion now efforts to
do this integration has not been very
very robust now this is the problem with
Indian knowledge systems because we it
is true that Indian knowledge systems
are very very rich and we have been
subjected lot of uh you know subjugation
exploitation which has been there and we
all agree I need not have to speak about
that but then if we have to rejuvenate
we have to stand shoulder to shoulder
with another psychiatrist I have to
speak like how he speaks I have to tell
him that this is how is my Approach is
in what he understands and maybe I have
an audience there and if I'm able to do
better I'll have to prove it the way it
is to be proven and maybe the scientific
Community you know understands because
psychiatrists are the domain experts
right I will say that I am an ayurveda
psychiatrist then I'll have to tell them
that how I am different or how I can
contribute and how I can integrate so
this is the area I feel
that we need to focus on we have
everything we need to we need to figure
out how do we join these strings and see
that we become relevant so this is the
most important question that we should
focus and maybe we should find answers
from knowledge is Rich but then how do
we integrate how do we have and this
study Madam you said that you know
different places different states have
their own approaches yes and that is a
beauty different cultures have developed
their own way of handling diseases but
then have we have we been able to
present it in a form that is you know
understandable because you know the
common complaint is that that physician
says something else this position says
something else another fellow says
something else this is what they know
they don't know what is the principle
behind this we need to make them
understand isn't it so this is something
which I feel is the need because I am
doing the same thing and I know the
difficulties that I am facing now
because I have to go to the people
people are not bothered people just want
to get better but then at the level of
systems we'll have to say that you know
how do we arrive at a consensus and how
do we see that everything becomes
inclusive so this is something which I
wanted to bring it up at this uh you
know stage because we are speaking of
Indian Indian knowledge systems we
should also try to speak or at least
contemplate on how do we plan to present
this how do we plan to make a common
consensus on each principles that are
present each one is Rich we need to
integrate everyone everyone together we
cannot discard other practices we have
to make it inclusive and what is the
methodology that we follow because this
kind of system doesn't exist in the
Modern Way reductionistic approach
because if there is antidepressant the
antidepressant is used
for all the people all the races
everywhere around the world and that is
the Paradigm with which they they go and
they will tell us give me one herb that
I can give to everyone and attacks uh to
everyone and this is not possible and we
have not been able to tell them that
purusham purusham weeks yeah you have to
look at every person the person has to
be you know the treatment has to be
personalized it is based on lot of
variations so this is what I have to
convey they don't understand sir we have
to tell them because they have not been
taught like that and we cannot leave
them and go we have to bring them
together and make them there are people
who are ready to listen there are people
who will take it forward so we'll have
to look for them try to convince them
and do the whole thing so Indian
knowledge system the relevance now it is
extremely gaining lot of steam we'll
have to take it forward we'll have to
get people together and then see that we
make relevant to the current living
system so this these are the comments I
wanted to make I'm sorry okay
you know making these comments uh in the
sense that uh you know the time in spite
of the time being not there thank you
for listening and thank you for the four
wonderful speakers who came up with the
enlightening presentations thank you one
and on
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