Why Genshin Failed Where Wuthering Succeeded.

Summary

The video script discusses the concept of endgame content in games, particularly in gacha games like Genshin Impact and Honkai Star Rail. It criticizes Genshin Impact's new endgame mode, the Imaginarium Theater, for being too easy and not challenging enough for players who have heavily invested in character upgrades. The script contrasts this with Honkai Star Rail's diverse and engaging endgame modes, which offer unique challenges and rewards, and suggests that Genshin Impact could learn from its sister game to improve player experience.

Takeaways

• 🔄 Endgame content in games generally involves exploiting core mechanics after completing the main story, offering replayability and further progression.
• 💰 In gacha games, players can often 'buy' their way into power or progress through extended play, which can lead to a point of diminishing returns on investment.
• 🚀 Genshin Impact has a cycle of powerful characters (C2 and C6 constellations) that can trivialize endgame content, reducing the challenge and potentially the fun for some players.
• 🤔 The introduction of new endgame modes in games should ideally offer a fresh challenge and utilize the characters' power in new ways, not just increase the ease of existing content.
• 🎭 The Imaginarium Theater in Genshin Impact was an attempt at a new endgame mode but was criticized for its restrictive rules and lack of innovation.
• 🌐 Genshin Impact's sister game, Honkai Star Rail, offers diverse endgame modes that are challenging and rewarding, suggesting a different approach to game design.
• 🚫 The new endgame mode in Genshin Impact was seen as frustrating for both new and veteran players due to its limitations and lack of strategic depth.
• 🎲 The success of endgame modes like the Roglight in Withering Waves shows the potential for unique, randomized experiences that can cater to a wide range of players.
• 🔥 World Elite mobs and Holograms in Withering Waves provide a challenging and rewarding experience, with achievements and loot as incentives.
• 🛑 The contrast between Genshin Impact's and Honkai Star Rail's endgame content highlights the importance of variety and player engagement in game design.
• 💡 The script questions the decision-making behind Genshin Impact's new endgame mode, suggesting a lack of understanding or disregard for what players find enjoyable and challenging.

Q & A

What is the general cycle of core mechanics in endgame content for games?

In general, endgame content in games involves a cycle where core mechanics are exploited. Players progress through a main story or concept, and once completed, the focus shifts to replayability and additional content that extends the gameplay experience.

How does the investment in gacha games typically affect the player's progression?

In most gacha games, players can either buy their way into power or play long enough to progress and get stronger. The longer a player invests time in a gacha game, the further they can advance and the more powerful their characters become.

What is the role of endgame content in gacha games with respect to character investment?

Endgame content in gacha games serves as a mode that allows players to utilize the characters they have invested time and resources into, providing a purpose for the power and abilities these characters have gained.

Why do some players feel that certain characters in Genshin Impact make the game too easy?

Some characters in Genshin Impact, particularly those at C2 or higher constellation levels, have been designed to be so powerful that they can easily clear endgame content, which can make the game feel too easy and reduce the challenge for players.

What is the issue with the Abyss timer in Genshin Impact and how does it relate to player investment?

The Abyss in Genshin Impact has a timer of 3 minutes, and there are no extra rewards for clearing it faster. This means that players who invest heavily in powerful characters can finish the content quickly, reducing the time they need to spend playing the game.

What is the Imaginarium Theater and how does it relate to the endgame content in Genshin Impact?

The Imaginarium Theater is a new endgame mode introduced in Genshin Impact that is supposed to offer a challenge for players and utilize their powerful characters. However, it has been criticized for not living up to expectations.

How does the new endgame mode in Genshin Impact compare to the existing Spiral Abyss?

The new endgame mode, the Imaginarium Theater, was expected to offer a fresh challenge for players, unlike the Spiral Abyss which has become trivial for many due to the power levels of characters and the length of time players have been playing the game.

What are some of the limitations and rules that Genshin Impact has implemented in the Imaginarium Theater that have been criticized?

The Imaginarium Theater has specific limitations such as only allowing certain elements, level 70 plus characters, and each character can only be used twice. These rules have been criticized for being too restrictive and not offering the flexibility or fun that players expect from endgame content.

What is the concept of a 'rogue-lite' mode and how does it differ from the new endgame mode in Genshin Impact?

A 'rogue-lite' mode is a game mode that is unique every time it is played, with characters evolving based on real-time choices. This differs from the new endgame mode in Genshin Impact, which has been criticized for its repetitive and restrictive nature.

How does the endgame content in Honkai Star Rail compare to Genshin Impact's Imaginarium Theater?

Honkai Star Rail offers multiple endgame modes, each with unique challenges and strategies, providing a diverse and rewarding experience for players. In contrast, Genshin Impact's Imaginarium Theater has been criticized for its lack of innovation and challenge.

Outlines

00:00

🕹️ Gacha Game Endgame Dynamics and Player Investment

This paragraph discusses the concept of endgame content in gacha games, where players progress beyond the main story and seek replayability and continued engagement. It highlights the dilemma of power scaling, where players can either pay or invest significant time to become powerful. The speaker, V Enigma, introduces the topic of how endgame should be approached, using Genshin Impact and Withering Wave as case studies. The paragraph emphasizes the impact of certain characters and constellations that trivialize endgame content, leading to debates on game balance and fun. It also touches on the diminishing returns of investment in gacha games and the need for challenging endgame modes that utilize player's powerful characters.

05:01

🎮 Comparing Endgame Modes in Genshin Impact and Honkai Star Rail

The second paragraph compares the endgame modes of Genshin Impact with those in Honkai Star Rail, a sister game. It criticizes Genshin Impact's new endgame mode, the Imaginarium Theater, for its lack of challenge and innovation, contrasting it with the more engaging and diverse modes in Honkai Star Rail. The speaker points out that Genshin Impact's mode feels more like a high score chase with restrictive rules, rather than a fresh and challenging experience. The paragraph also discusses the difficulty in balancing player experience between 'whales' (players who spend heavily) and new or casual players, and how Honkai Star Rail manages this better with its modes that rely on strategy and team composition over character power alone.

10:02

🌐 The Elusive Realm and the Quest for Engaging Endgame Content

In the final paragraph, the speaker expresses disappointment with Genshin Impact's approach to endgame content, suggesting that it lacks the creativity and variety seen in Honkai Star Rail. They propose that the elusive realm in Genshin Impact, which offers unique combat experiences and character upgrades, could have been a model for more engaging endgame content. The speaker also criticizes the game's decision to stick to arena-based modes instead of utilizing the open-world setting for more dynamic gameplay. They conclude by questioning the game developers' understanding of gaming concepts and their decision-making process, and they call for a more thoughtful approach to endgame content that provides a sense of accomplishment and continued enjoyment.

Keywords

💡Endgame Content

Endgame content refers to the final stages or challenges in a game that players reach after completing the main storyline or objectives. In the context of the video, it discusses how certain games, particularly gacha games, offer endgame content to extend the gameplay experience beyond the initial story completion. The script mentions that endgame content in gacha games often requires players to have invested significant time or money to progress further and become stronger.

💡Gacha Games

Gacha games are a type of video game that uses a mechanic similar to gambling, where players spend in-game currency or real money to obtain random virtual items or characters. The video script criticizes how gacha games often allow players to 'buy their way into power,' which can affect the balance and replayability of the game. It also discusses the impact of this mechanic on the endgame content of such games.

💡Replayability

Replayability is the quality of a game that makes it enjoyable to play multiple times. The script explores the concept of replayability in relation to endgame content, questioning what keeps players engaged after they have completed the main story. It suggests that developers often create endgame content to maintain player interest and extend the game's lifespan.

💡C2 Characters

In the context of the video, C2 characters refer to characters that have reached a certain level of power or upgrade, specifically the second constellation level. The script uses C2 characters as an example to illustrate how certain characters can trivialize endgame content, making the game too easy and potentially reducing its replayability and fun factor.

💡Genin Impact

Genin Impact appears to be the name of a specific gacha game discussed in the video. The script criticizes the game for making endgame content too easy with powerful characters, reducing the challenge and fun of the game. It also mentions how certain characters in Genin Impact can make the game's endgame content less engaging due to their overpowered nature.

💡Illuminarum Theater

The Illuminarum Theater is a new endgame mode introduced in a game, as mentioned in the script. It is criticized for not providing the challenge that players expected from an endgame mode, and for having restrictive rules that limit player choice and strategy.

💡Honai Star Rail

Honai Star Rail is another game mentioned in the script, which is praised for having multiple endgame modes that offer diverse and challenging experiences. It is used as a contrast to Genin Impact, showing how different games can approach endgame content in more engaging ways.

💡C6 Constellations

C6 Constellations likely refer to characters at the sixth constellation level, which is a high level of power or upgrade in a gacha game. The script discusses how C6 constellations can make the game too easy and reduce the sense of challenge, which may not be fun for all players.

💡Abyss Timer

The Abyss Timer refers to a mechanic in a game where there is a time limit to complete a challenge. The script mentions it in the context of how quickly powerful characters can clear content, reducing the amount of time players need to spend playing the game, which may affect the game's replayability.

💡Rog Lite Mode

Rog Lite Mode is mentioned as an ideal game mode that developers can introduce for endgame content. It suggests a random dungeon experience that is unique each time, offering a high level of replayability and strategic depth. The script uses this as an example of how endgame content can be engaging and fun.

💡Elusive Realm

The Elusive Realm is an endgame feature in a game that offers unique combat systems and characters. The script praises it for providing a fresh experience with each update, allowing players to try new strategies and enjoy the game in different ways.

Highlights

Endgame content in games usually involves a cycle of core mechanics exploited after the main story is completed.

Gacha games often allow players to buy their way into power or progress over time to get stronger.

In games like 'Withering Waves', leveling up characters and equipping them with the best gear can make gameplay significantly easier.

Investment in gacha games can lead to a point where the cost outweighs the enjoyment, necessitating endgame modes to utilize invested characters.

The introduction of 'Genin Impact' and its approach to endgame content is critiqued for making the game too easy with certain characters.

Certain characters in 'Genin Impact', when upgraded to C2, can trivialize endgame content, reducing the challenge and fun for some players.

High-cost characters with powerful constellations can make games feel less challenging and potentially less fun due to the ease of progression.

The 'Imaginarium Theater' was introduced as a new endgame mode in 'Genin Impact', but it was criticized for not offering a fresh challenge.

The new endgame mode in 'Genin Impact' has strict rules that limit character usage and rely heavily on buffs, which some players find frustrating.

The 'Simulated Universe' mode in 'Honai Star Rail' offers a more engaging endgame experience with strategic buffs and team building.

The 'Rog light' mode in 'Withering Waves' is praised for its unique, randomized challenges that evolve with player choices.

The 'Holograms' and 'World Elite mobs' in 'Withering Waves' provide challenging endgame content that requires learning boss patterns and strategic play.

The 'Elusive Realm' in 'Withering Waves' offers a dynamic combat system with unique scenarios and characters, enhancing endgame variety.

The speaker questions the decision-making behind the new endgame mode in 'Genin Impact', comparing it unfavorably to the variety in 'Honai Star Rail'.

The lack of innovation in 'Genin Impact's new endgame mode is criticized, with the speaker suggesting it was a lazy approach to appeasing players.

Hoyo's response to player concerns about the new endgame mode in 'Genin Impact' is mentioned as a positive step, but the speaker feels it's too late.

The video concludes with the speaker expressing disappointment in the new endgame mode and a desire for more engaging content similar to 'Honai Star Rail'.

Transcripts

what is endgame content games in general

have a cycle of core mechanics exploited

during the gameplay experience they are

known for having a main concept or story

and once you've beaten that main story

then the question becomes what

replayability exist in this game many

games are just so fun that you want to

keep playing them so the developers will

create some sort of endgame but this is

a bit different for most gacha games for

most gacha games you can bu your way

into power or simply play long enough to

make it the longer you play a gacha game

the further along you can progress and

get stronger even in withering waves if

you level up your Chia to level 90 give

her the best Echo gear and a decent

weapon she can really put in work there

becomes a level in most gacha games

where the investment per dollar inserted

outweighs what you get out of the game

they requires a mode to actually use

these characters that you've invested so

much time into so let's address the

question what is endgame I'm V Enigma

and I'll be addressing exactly how

endgame should be approached and how

genin impact failed or withering wave

succeeded let's talk about genin impact

for example certain characters just make

the game easy that's just the sad truth

of the matter all character upgrades

were not created equally C2 aaka C2

Ryden C2 nahita C2 finina C2 nuet C2

arlino notice an on going Trend here if

you have even two of these characters

that I just mentioned you'll be able to

make a diverse team with each of them

and clear all endgame content that genin

impact has to offer if you even consider

these game modes endgame this means that

there's a price tag to the minimal

investment to have an easy time in genin

impact of course you don't need to do

any of this or buy into any

constellations and you can just beat the

game as a few purely free-to-play player

but this will require a sound strategy

good team building and a decent amount

of knowledge about the game's mechanics

and certain gimmicks some of these C2

characters need their signature weapon

some don't but the truth of the matter

is these specific constellations make

the character mile stronger than they

already were and it will allow them to

steamroll content left right and Center

that's just if you have one of these

characters imagine if you have a full

team of C2 characters and imag Imaginee

if you just have one busted C6 character

with a whale C6 shha you can even make

aloy clear the abyss with one burst per

boss the power behind certain

constellations can be astounding more

and more characters coming out with

stronger C6 constellations that make the

game trivial now fun is an aspect that

is different per player but many argue

that C6 constellations for characters

like Elon finina and nette just take the

fun out of the game they can unleash

such power in such a short amount of

time that it doesn't feel like there's a

challenge to the game anymore I don't

want to go directly into the schematics

about what is considered fun but if you

spend $1,000 on a character then you can

expect to be able to use that character

fully in at least certain aspects of the

game The Abyss timer is 3 minutes if you

clear it any faster you don't get any

extra rewards so now you can clear the

abyss in 30 seconds rather than than 3

minutes what that means is that you've

just reduced the amount of time that you

have to play the game sure it can be a

blast the first few times that you do

use the character even for the first

week even for the first month but will

it just get boring after some time if

you just go in Kill the Boss move on and

then just stop playing the game because

there's nothing else to do wouldn't it

be great if you'd be able to take on

tough bosses that let you fully utilize

your power that you spent your

hard-earned Primo gems on or money does

this mean you're literally paying to not

play the game at this point let's return

to the topic at hand what is endgame

hooe released a new endgame and dubbed

it the Imaginarium theater this is a new

game mode that will have the shared

rewards with the spiral abyss and offer

a new mode that is considered to be

endgame the spiral Abyss has the

strongest enemies in the game but

through the power of wailing or just

playing the the game for long enough to

actually trivialize all of the concepts

it becomes trivial you would think a new

end game would offer a challenge for the

players it has been 4 years of the

player base asking for it so finally we

will get something to really push our

beloved characters to the Limit well

that was a wish that was just never

meant to be the new endgame mode could

have been a concept that lets you use

your most powerful character to face an

actual challenge which can be

implemented in many way ways while I do

believe it can be difficult to balance a

player experience between a giga whale

and a new player but what's hilarious is

this is easily done in their sister game

honai Star ra the simulated Universe has

two additional game modes which offers

Buffs strategies to abuse and it's very

fun and I actually really enjoyed it

it's extremely difficult in the higher

levels and you are more reliant on

picking the right Buffs and crafting a

good team than the actual characters

power while it's clearable without

whaling if you are a whale and you spent

a lot of money on your characters to get

them to a high level you'll have a much

more diverse experience and you'll have

an edge when clearing this content you

won't have to specifically craft your

characters in a certain way using the

Buffs but you have a little more freedom

to kind of do what you want there they

aren't forced to abuse the buffing

system as they could just go with their

E6 character for a further advantage and

on top of that they'll be able to get

rewards for clearing higher levels there

are hardly any complaints with this game

mode as it is very challenging and

rewarding when you clear it and it just

offers a new Fresh experience but genin

didn't Implement that so surely they

added another game mode right like an

endless monster Killing Spree with a

high score the where it gets more and

more difficult the further you go or a

Boss Rush where the bosses are much

tougher and require some thought to

actually beat or literally any of their

previous babot events that actually let

you bring in Co-op players to take on

hard bosses allowing you to take on

debuffs for a more diverse and rewarding

experience nope none of that happened

instead they implemented rules you can

only use these elements you can only use

level 70 plus characters and you can

only use each character twice man it

wouldn't be a hoyo game without their

stipulations and rules not only that but

the Buffs given to this game mode are

just horrendous nothing changes how fun

a character is and it simply Buffs like

in the abyss but somehow worse because

of these rules that were added it is

both frustrating for season day one

players and those who actually just

started the game because season day one

players can just steamroll through it

and it doesn't even matter what you give

them it's just that easy or you won't

even be able to play it if you don't

have at least 12 of these characters

built like they found a way to piss off

both sides sides which is an amazing

feat to be honest now as I said earlier

it is hard to appease both whales and

the casuals but that's why a Rog light

mode is the best game mode that a

developer can introduce it's a random

dungeon light concept that is unique

every time and it evolves the characters

to your real time choices you will never

truly have the same two runs twice and

you can play a character in such a

unique way you can add in unique Easter

eggs unique Concepts like the actual

limit to this is endless this is one of

the many endgame options that curo games

gives players in withering waves and the

crazy thing is you don't even have to be

in the end game as they give you the

trial characters and the buffets you

receive from playing this mode are

insane insane enough to the point where

you can clear it with those Tri

characters they updated 1.1 to offer

more unique scenarios and the characters

have upgrades for you to choose from and

there specific Echoes for differing play

styles overall it's just a good sign not

only that but it updates once every

update so each time that you actually

play it with a new update there's going

to be new characters new Concepts a new

theme overall and to make things worse

weaker and lesser used characters have a

chance to shine in this game mode what

if I told you that baiji is the

strongest character in this mode with a

certain setup and that tchi is actually

able to clear the highest mode with ease

well if you get the right bucks that is

the fun and flexibility of this mode is

insane as even if you're fresh in the

game they give you trial characters to

use from so you can have fun either way

as I mentioned earlier in addition to

that the other endgame mode are the

Holograms I don't know if this is going

to be a cakewalk when they actually

introduce Union level 60 and you'll be

able to get your characters to level 90

but either way these bosses do require

you to learn their boss patterns to beat

them or you could just nuke them down if

you're lucky to dodge all to their one

hit k

but another thing that was added are

World Elite mobs these mobs are level

100 in glowing red letting you know just

how powerful they are immediately you'll

randomly come across them when actually

playing the game or exploring new areas

and they are on the same level of

difficulty as the Holograms that you

face you will get an achievement for

killing them as well as a guaranteed

echo which means that you probably want

to do it and there is no greater feeling

than beating one of these monsters even

if you took you anywhere between 1 hour

and 10 days I have faith that Kuro game

will unleash more endgame modes once we

actually get to a higher Union level and

even if they don't we still have the

elusive realm to fall back on every

update we can experience a unique Road

likee combat system with new characters

that we don't even have to pull for this

makes you wonder why couldn't genin do

the same I am 100% sure that they would

have gotten a much better reception if

they added a new mode that lets the

players get unique upgrades and unlock a

unique Concepts even in the elusive

realm you can just instantly unlock

further sequences to actually buff the

characters they could have easily

literally just copy and pasted the abyss

but this time with each floor upgrade

you get unique upgrades for the

characters you unlock constellations it

will just let you at least try new

things with new characters honestly I am

also so tired of the circular Amina to

fight monsters even wther Ring's elusive

realm feels more alive there's even in a

game mode where you have to swap between

two battlefields to protect the monolith

thing after all it's an open world game

why restrict us to a mere arena for

every game mode it really makes me

wonder who is behind these decisions for

gench and impact and how ignorant they

can be to the concepts of gaming the new

endgame mode was so lazily done like who

even approved this meanwhile their

sister game honai Star rail has about

five endgame modes each being vastly

different now my star rail account isn't

as established as my genin account but

I'm pretty far up there as being an

endgame player the memory of chaos

floors I can clear normally but pure

fiction and the simulated Universe modes

yeah those are a pain for me to clear

but when I do clear it I feel a sense of

accomplishment when I play genin now and

clear yet another beating bag of a boss

I only feel emptiness at this

point anyway let me know what you all

think they say if it ain't broke don't

fix it but why did hoyo decide that this

pathetic excuse of endgame mode was

better than their already working

Concepts introducing honai star rail or

maybe they decided that nothing was

broken and they can just push out

whatever nonsense that they actually

want players to use was this just a lazy

tactic to App please players or do they

really just not know what they're doing

anymore they have actually made a post

regarding the concerns with this new

game mode and this is the first time

that hoyo has responded in like 2 to 3

years so

I mean that's a plus but at this point

the ship is sailed and hoyo just so to

answer the question what is endgame it's

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