Data Scientist Exposes Men & Women’s Real Dating Preferences

Chris Williamson
13 May 202213:52

Summary

TLDRThis insightful script explores the surprising lessons from data on achieving success in dating. It highlights the advantage of being an extreme version of oneself to attract polarized interest, rather than aiming for average appeal. The speaker emphasizes the importance of psychological traits over superficial ones for long-term happiness, suggesting that focusing on shared similarities can increase dating success. The discussion challenges conventional dating strategies, advocating for a shift in priorities towards genuine compatibility and happiness.

Takeaways

  • 😎 The most successful daters are often conventionally attractive people like Brad Pitt and Natalie Portman, who effortlessly attract attention.
  • 🌟 For those not conventionally attractive, being polarizing can be beneficial in dating. Embrace an extreme version of yourself to attract those who are really into you.
  • 📊 The speaker emphasizes the importance of being authentic and 'nerdy' in his own dating life, which attracted his partner who appreciates that quality.
  • 🤔 The data suggests that trying to appeal to everyone by toning down unique traits might be counterproductive in the dating world.
  • 🔢 In online dating, even those with lower attractiveness ratings have a significant chance of success when they ask out people who are more attractive, especially for women.
  • 💌 The key to dating 'out of your league' may involve being an extreme version of oneself and asking a large number of people out to increase the chances of getting a positive response.
  • 🧐 A study of 11,000 couples revealed that psychological factors like secure attachment style, growth mindset, and conscientiousness are more predictive of relationship happiness than superficial traits.
  • 💔 There is a disconnect between what people find attractive in dating apps and what actually leads to long-term happiness in relationships.
  • 🏆 The competition for conventionally attractive partners is fierce, and even if one succeeds, there may be underlying psychological reasons for their availability.
  • 🤝 People are drawn to those who are similar to them in various aspects, including race, religion, education, and even shared initials, which can be leveraged in dating strategies.
  • 💡 The advice to focus less on superficial traits and more on finding someone with good psychological qualities can make dating easier and more fulfilling.

Q & A

  • What is the main point made by Christian Rudder in his book 'Dataclysm' regarding successful daters?

    -Christian Rudder argues that the most successful daters are typically conventionally attractive individuals like Brad Pitt and Natalie Portman. However, there are also people with extreme looks, such as those who shave their heads or have unconventional hair colors, who do surprisingly well in dating due to their polarizing appearance.

  • What strategy does the speaker suggest for individuals who are not conventionally attractive to improve their dating success?

    -The speaker suggests that individuals who are not conventionally attractive should embrace an extreme version of themselves to become polarizing. This way, while some people may be turned off, others will be genuinely attracted, increasing the chances of finding a compatible partner.

  • How did the speaker apply the concept of being an 'extreme version of oneself' in his own dating life?

    -The speaker applied this concept by fully embracing his nerdy personality. He ordered an iPhone case with a happiness chart to constantly remind himself to make data-driven decisions, which is a reflection of his geeky nature.

  • What is the significance of the study led by Samantha Joel in predicting romantic happiness?

    -Samantha Joel's study, involving 11,000 couples and multiple variables, found that psychological variables such as secure attachment style, growth mindset, conscientiousness, and life satisfaction have some predictive power on romantic happiness, while superficial traits like conventional attractiveness and partner's height have little to no predictive power.

  • What does the speaker suggest about the relationship between physical attractiveness and long-term relationship happiness?

    -The speaker suggests that there is a disconnect between physical attractiveness and long-term relationship happiness. While people are often drawn to beauty, it is the psychological traits that are more likely to contribute to a happy and successful relationship.

  • What is the advice given by the speaker regarding the pursuit of dating someone who is more attractive or desirable than oneself?

    -The speaker advises to be an extreme version of oneself and to ask out many people. By doing so, even with a small chance of success per individual, the overall probability of finding a match increases significantly.

  • How does the speaker describe the competition for individuals with highly desirable traits in the dating market?

    -The speaker describes the competition as ferocious, noting that the pursuit of these individuals can lead to a significant amount of time spent single and potentially complaining about the lack of success in dating.

  • What is the role of similarity in dating according to the speaker?

    -According to the speaker, similarity plays a significant role in dating. People are drawn to others who share similar traits, such as race, religion, education level, and even something as trivial as sharing initials, which can give a bonus in online dating.

  • What is the concept of 'Jewish privilege' mentioned by the speaker, and how does it relate to dating?

    -The concept of 'Jewish privilege' refers to the speaker's observation that the quality of his dates was higher within the Jewish community due to a similarity bias, even though religion was not a significant factor for him personally.

  • What is the speaker's final advice for individuals struggling with dating?

    -The speaker's final advice is to care less about superficial traits and focus on finding someone with good psychological traits that can lead to long-term happiness. He also suggests using strategies and taking advantage of any 'privilege' to increase dating success.

Outlines

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💑 The Power of Being Polarizing in Dating

The first paragraph discusses the surprising findings from Christian Rudder's book 'Dataclysm', which suggests that the most successful daters are either extremely attractive like Brad Pitt and Natalie Portman or those with polarizing looks, such as shaved heads or unconventional hair colors. The speaker emphasizes the importance of being an extreme version of oneself to attract a niche audience. They share personal experiences of embracing their nerdiness, which eventually attracted a partner who appreciated that quality. The paragraph concludes with the idea that in dating, it's not about appealing to everyone but finding a few who are genuinely interested.

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🔍 The Disconnect Between Attraction and Relationship Happiness

The second paragraph delves into a study led by Samantha Joel, which analyzed data from 11,000 couples to determine predictors of romantic happiness. The study found that psychological factors such as secure attachment style, growth mindset, conscientiousness, and life satisfaction were more predictive of relationship happiness than superficial attributes like physical attractiveness or partner's occupation. The speaker highlights the irony that dating apps often prioritize the very traits that have little impact on long-term happiness, suggesting that people should focus less on physical characteristics and more on psychological compatibility.

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🤔 Leveraging Similarity and Extremes in Dating Strategies

The third paragraph explores the concept of similarity bias in dating, where people are more likely to match with others who share similar traits, including race, religion, education, and even initials. The speaker humorously points out the irrationality of such preferences, using the example of a preference for shared initials increasing the likelihood of a match. They also touch on the idea of 'privilege' within certain dating pools, such as the Jewish community, and how this can be advantageous. The paragraph concludes with advice to prioritize finding a partner who is genuinely nice and compatible over superficial traits, and to use data-driven strategies when aiming to date someone considered 'out of one's league'.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Data Clism

Data Clism refers to the book 'Dataclysm: Love, Sex, Race, and Identity—What Our Online Lives Tell Us About Our Offline Selves' by Christian Rudder. The book explores how data from online dating platforms can reveal insights into human behavior, particularly in the realm of dating. In the script, it is mentioned as a source of the insight that the most successful daters are often conventionally attractive people, but also those with extreme looks who are polarizing in the dating market.

💡Polarizing

In the context of the video, polarizing refers to the idea of standing out in a way that elicits strong reactions, either positive or negative. The script suggests that being polarizing in dating can be advantageous, as it attracts people who are particularly drawn to one's unique or extreme qualities, even if it repels others.

💡Nerdiness

Nerdiness, as discussed in the script, is a term used to describe someone who is highly knowledgeable or enthusiastic about a particular subject, often to the point of being considered unconventional or overly intellectual. The speaker uses their own 'nerdiness' as an example of embracing an extreme version of oneself to attract a partner who appreciates those qualities.

💡Happiness

Happiness, in this video, relates to the emotional state of satisfaction and contentment in a romantic relationship. The script mentions a study that analyzed factors contributing to romantic happiness, concluding that psychological variables like secure attachment style and conscientiousness have more predictive power than superficial traits like physical attractiveness.

💡Desirability Ratings

Desirability ratings refer to the perceived attractiveness or appeal of a person in the context of dating. The script discusses studies that show the outcomes of people with different desirability ratings messaging each other on dating sites, suggesting that even those with lower ratings can successfully attract higher-rated individuals by being an extreme version of themselves and asking out many people.

💡Online Dating

Online dating is the process of meeting potential romantic partners through the internet, often using specialized websites or apps. The script frequently references data from online dating platforms to draw conclusions about dating success and the factors that influence it.

💡Physical Attractiveness

Physical attractiveness is the degree to which a person's appearance is considered aesthetically pleasing. The video script points out that while physical attractiveness is often prioritized in dating, it has less predictive power for long-term relationship happiness compared to psychological traits.

💡Psychological Traits

Psychological traits refer to the characteristics of an individual's personality or mental tendencies. In the script, these traits, such as a secure attachment style and growth mindset, are highlighted as more important for predicting happiness in a relationship than physical appearance or other superficial qualities.

💡Similarity Bias

Similarity bias is the preference for things or people that are similar to oneself. The script discusses how people are drawn to others who share similar characteristics, such as race, religion, education, or even initials, which can give an advantage in dating.

💡Competition

Competition, in the context of the video, refers to the rivalry among individuals to attract the same potential romantic partners, particularly those who are highly desirable due to their physical attractiveness or other sought-after traits. The script suggests that focusing on less competitive qualities can lead to more satisfying relationships.

💡Long-term Relationship Happiness

Long-term relationship happiness is the enduring sense of fulfillment and joy experienced within a committed romantic partnership. The video emphasizes that this form of happiness is more likely to be influenced by psychological compatibility and shared values rather than initial physical attraction.

Highlights

The most successful daters are typically conventionally attractive people like Brad Pitt and Natalie Portman.

Polarizing looks can be surprisingly successful in dating, such as extreme hairstyles or unique fashion choices.

Embracing one's unique traits can attract people who are genuinely interested, even if it repels others.

Being an extreme version of oneself in dating can lead to finding a partner who is truly into you.

The speaker emphasizes being authentically nerdy in his own dating life, which attracted his partner.

Data suggests that trying to tone down one's nerdiness may be counterproductive in dating.

Online dating studies show that people are more successful when they ask out others who are more attractive than themselves.

The odds of receiving a positive response increase significantly when one asks out multiple people.

Physical attractiveness and other superficial traits have little predictive power on long-term relationship happiness.

Psychological variables such as secure attachment style and conscientiousness are more indicative of relationship happiness.

There is a disconnect between what people prioritize in dating and what actually leads to happiness.

Competition for conventionally attractive traits is fierce, which may lead to prolonged singlehood.

People may be single because they are trying to date a small pool of individuals that everyone desires.

There may be psychological reasons why highly attractive individuals are still single.

The speaker suggests that physical characteristics may not correlate with positive psychological traits.

People are drawn to others who share similarities, including race, religion, and even initials.

Taking advantage of similarity bias can increase the chances of dating success.

The speaker recommends focusing on finding someone nice and psychologically compatible for long-term happiness.

Using strategies like asking out many people and leveraging similarity can help in dating more attractive individuals.

Transcripts

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what were the big lessons that you

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learned from data about being successful

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in dating then

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there are like a lot of different

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lessons uh

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there are okay so one of them is from

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i i love this people may have heard of

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it but i if you haven't you need to know

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it uh christian rudder wrote this

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excellent book data clism and he made

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the point that the most successful

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daters

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are like

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the the very most successful daters are

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exactly who you'd expect they're like

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brad pitt and natalie portman just

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beautiful people and they just get like

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it's depressing how much better they do

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than the average person uh like uh

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but then like they're these

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there are these daters that do

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shockingly well and they're people with

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extreme looks

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like people who shave their head

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like what heterosexual women who shave

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their head or have crazy glasses or blue

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hair or all these things and the point

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is in dating you want to be polarizing

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so if you're brad pitt or natalie

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portman you just want to be yourself and

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not scare anybody just like play very

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safe

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let the goodies flood to you but if you

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are not natalie poorman or brad pitt or

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you're not like conventionally the most

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attractive person you got to kind of

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lean into some extreme version yourself

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and then

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some people will be totally turned off

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but some people will be really into you

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and that's kind of what's that's all

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that matters you just need some people

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who are really into you and i kind of

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did that in my own life because

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i think it's not going to surprise

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anybody that

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like i'm pretty nerdy i mean anybody

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read don't trust your gut would be like

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this guy's pretty nerdy like uh

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there's this one study where they list

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the happiest they have a chart with the

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happy how much happiness every activity

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gives people and i literally ordered an

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iphone

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case with that chart on it so i could

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look at the data when i'm deciding what

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to do things so i'm like the nerdiest

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like i'm maybe one of the nerdiest

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people

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you know anybody's encountered and i

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think when i was single

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like a lot of nerds i'm like well what

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do i do to you know i'm heterosexual to

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you know attract women

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and

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i'm like okay well i gotta you know tone

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it down be less nerdy

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uh be you know like you know get rid of

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the glasses get

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get like you know stop talking about the

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charts and the tables and the math and

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like you know learn talk more about

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what you're

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you're taught that uh the average woman

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is into and i think the data suggests

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the exact opposite like nerd it up go

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all in on who you are and then you'll

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just be polarizing but you don't in

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dating you don't want to be like average

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to people you want to be like the

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extreme something that's uh the most

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the most appealing well because you're

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not optimizing for total area under the

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curve are you you only need a couple of

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winners

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and yeah and exactly and you know well i

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like how you think a couple of winners

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gotta have a variety right

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i'm monogamous so i was just looking for

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one winner but uh

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uh

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but i yeah and my uh girlfriend

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literally she was

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uh talking to her friends and they're

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like what's your type and everyone's

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going through their type like tall dark

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and handsome this that and she's like my

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type is nerdy

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like that was her type and she's not

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even that dirty herself her type was

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nerdy and then you know and here i am if

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i had not played off my dirtiness i

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wouldn't have

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had a chance i think the

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the thing that the other big dating

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thing

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is you to put yourself out there way

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more

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uh so they've done these studies

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on like what happens when people have

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different

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attractiveness or desirability ratings

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message someone else on on an online

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dating site

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it's like what happens when a one

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message is 10 on an online dating site

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and before i saw the data

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i'm like this is a bloodbath this is

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like a one asking out a 10 i mean or

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investing 10 we're talking about like uh

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one in a million a one billion like come

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on like that that's not going to happen

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and

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the data says

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for a heterosexual man one asking out a

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heterosexual 10 it's like

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14

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and for a heterosexual woman asking out

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one ass going after a heterosexual man

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it's like 30

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so like when you actually do the math

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the key to getting like if you if you

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want to date out of your league which i

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don't necessarily recommend because i

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always have a section how

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physical conventional attraction is the

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most overvalued

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thing in the in the day market but let's

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be honest everybody's trying to

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like everybody is curious how can i date

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someone who's way more beautiful or way

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more desirable than me

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and i think it's a combination of being

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an extreme version of yourself and then

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asking tons of people out

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uh because like if you have a 14 chance

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on one go then you actually do the math

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if you ask like 30 people out you have

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like a 98 chance so like all you got to

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do is just keep on going after it and a

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lot of people are gonna be like no no no

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no no and eventually

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uh you're gonna get your

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your yes

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and then they're yeah there there are

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other things i can keep going there but

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what was the insight around physical

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attractiveness and happiness

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yeah so they've done studies of like 11

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000 couples and they tried to predict

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what

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uh what predicts romantic happiness so

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samantha joel led this study uh and it's

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like the big it's like a revolutionary

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study of romantic happiness they've they

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used machine learning models there were

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86 scientists studying it uh like 11 000

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couples they had hundreds of variables

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like anything you could could consider

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test and the first thing is it's very

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hard in general to predict who's happy

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like the predictive models are just way

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worse than you might imagine it's not

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like

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uh

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predicting

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i don't know predicting like

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the weather tomorrow or something it's

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like predicting the weather in like

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three years

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like it's it's it's harder than you than

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you'd guess

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but that said

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the things that

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matt that do have at least some

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predictive power whether whether i'm

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happy with someone else whether a

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particular person had someone else the

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qualities the other person that seemed

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to have some predictive power

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are like these psychological variables

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so secure attachment style growth

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mindset conscientiousness satisfaction

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with life

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uh kind of like good

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psychological variables and the things

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that don't have that have like basically

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no predictive power are a lot of

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superficial things so conventional

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attractiveness

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or the height of your partner uh the

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particular occupation of your partner uh

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many things like that and so all of the

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things that online apps optimize for on

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the front end yeah yeah so like so yeah

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so

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it's it i think like the mate the major

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insight from the data on

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dating and romance is there's just a

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total disconnect between what people are

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trying to

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like what people are swiping for or

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trying to

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uh

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date and what actually makes people

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happy

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uh you know will people change based on

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knowing that i don't know

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i think it may be coded in our dna that

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we're drawn to like beauty and

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you know height and status and

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uh but

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like if

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if you can i really do recommend

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uh overruling some of those instincts

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because they're really not a path

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uh to long-term happiness and

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like the other thing is you have to

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think is that

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the competition for these traits is so

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enormous

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that like even if you win over someone

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like

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if you if you win over someone who is

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this you know great beauty or a woman

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everybody every woman's they're i think

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the data is

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85 percent of women or i don't remember

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the exact number have like

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six foot or above on bumble or whatever

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it is it's something i think is only 14

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of men in the u.s

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yeah yeah and it's like and like

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uh

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so the competition for these people are

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hero are is ferocious and you have to

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think that if you

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first of all

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if you try to take these people

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you may spend a huge percent of your

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life single and complaining that you're

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single like i think a lot of people who

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are perpetually single they're trying to

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date

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the small number of people that

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everybody's trying to date

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uh

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and number two

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if you do win them over

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you may find that

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they are

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like that there's a reason that they

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were single even though they have all

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these traits that everybody's desiring

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so maybe their psychological traits are

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a little bit

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uh subpar i would love to see i would

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love to see the um physical

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characteristics mapped with the

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psychological traits you know what are

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the correlates between are taller people

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on average more conscientious and more

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industrious or yeah more balanced

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because that would be fascinating to see

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because it it could be

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it actually could be that in order to be

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with someone who's hot you need to

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sacrifice being with someone who's

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psychologically it's probably not likely

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right they're probably pretty just

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randomly spread but that could be the

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case

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i think if you're not hot and you want

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to date someone hot then you probably do

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have to sacrifice yeah well if you're

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like

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if you're hot yourself then you're

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probably like okay you probably you know

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it's probably it's somewhat of a market

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uh you're probably in better and better

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you can always

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date across and down yeah well the the

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interesting thing there is what what

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you're kind of saying is similar to what

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john burgess says in uh make the first

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move

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where

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it's it's it's not lowering your

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standards

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it's changing what your standards

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consist of because what you're saying is

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that what you think your standards

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should be aren't what they should be

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you're optimizing for the wrong

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parameters what you're optimizing for is

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something like height and job title and

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a bunch of things which aren't going to

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impact the thing that you ultimately

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want which is long-term relationship

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happiness what you need to do is reset

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that and by doing that you actually open

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up an entire new market which is less

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competitive potentially untapped and

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significantly more linear between where

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you are and where you want to be in

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terms of happiness

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yeah but nobody wants to hear that

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advice

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[ __ ] dating advice how do i get the hot

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person so how

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the way to get the hot person is to be

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an extreme version of yourself and ask

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out lots of people and the oh the other

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thing i didn't say

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is take advantage of similarity

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so

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uh

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people are incredibly drawn this is also

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shown in date in uh dating apps to

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people who are similar to themselves

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like on every trait you can imagine so

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race people are drawn to people are

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similar themselves uh religion

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uh

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like high height to some degree uh even

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like college people don't just want to

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date someone of a similar education

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level they like show a bonus to someone

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who went to their exact same university

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uh even if it's like relative to someone

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in a so similar ranked university

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uh that you know there's and then oh my

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favorite example of this

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is

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we're 11.3 percent more likely on online

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dating

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apps to match with someone who shares

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our initials

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uh which is so ridiculous like come on

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initials like sharing your initials is

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not the path to long-term happiness

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but

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so so i think there's a lot of

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irrationality that but you can take

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advantage of that in that try like if

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you share your initials with someone

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definitely ask them out because you have

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this bonus

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all right you've got like the multiplier

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that's the 11.4 multiplier on that oh

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well she's a she's a 9 out of 10. but

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she does have my initials so if i take

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that she's actually only re she's like a

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a parameter adjusted eight and a half

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with when we account for the the name

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buyers

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but yeah and i think i learned this in

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my single life

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where i am jewish

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and

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but i'm not religious at all and i

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always pride myself on not caring about

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uh

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religion like i would be happy to date

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somebody of any religious background any

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cultural background whatever it's not

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something that i view is very very

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important to me

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but i did kind of notice

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that the quality of my dates were always

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higher with the jewish community than

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the non-jewish community because of this

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similarity bias so even if i don't care

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like even if it's not a preference for

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me and i can take advantage of the fact

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that it's a preference for other people

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and i should probably be more likely to

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go to like a singles event for jewish

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people than a singles event for

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non-jewish people because in the

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non-jewish singles event i'm going to be

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a five or whatever but yeah jewish

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jewish privilege man the jewish

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privilege and the jewish

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i know what you mean

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it's chinese privilege in the chinese

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event it's asian privilege in that yeah

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i understand

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and it's like it's true for asian

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males as well they're i talk about the

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there's a huge prejudice against asian

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males in online dating uh but there's

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much less pr prejudice from asian women

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in this

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in this group so yeah it's it's a

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privilege that like

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you know yeah

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again my major advice is care less about

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these superficial things and just try to

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find someone who's like really nice and

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could make you happy and if you can get

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to that mindset

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you're gonna find dating way way easier

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uh but

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if you want to date like a hot person

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then you have to use all these

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strategies and and everything that i

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think are justified the data use your

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privilege uh is is one of them what's

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happening people if you enjoyed that

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