Dorian Gray Chapter 2 – Discussion

Summary

This video script delves into the second chapter of 'The Picture of Dorian Gray,' focusing on the influence of Lord Henry on Dorian's perception of beauty, youth, and morality. It highlights Lord Henry's persuasive yet potentially harmful philosophies, which captivate the naive Dorian, leading him to value his physical appearance above all else. The chapter culminates in Dorian's wish for his portrait to age instead of him, reflecting the dangerous allure of Lord Henry's ideas and setting the stage for Dorian's tragic transformation.

Takeaways

• 😌 The script discusses Chapter 2 of 'The Picture of Dorian Gray', focusing on the influence of Lord Henry on Dorian Gray's perception of beauty and morality.
• 🤔 Lord Henry's belief in the connection between beauty and good values is a central theme, linking to the aestheticism movement and contrasting with Basil's more traditional views.
• 💭 Dorian Gray is depicted as easily swayed by Lord Henry's charm and persuasive, albeit immoral, epigrams, highlighting Dorian's naivety and susceptibility to influence.
• 🌟 Dorian's fascination with Lord Henry's words and the desire to continue listening to him, despite Basil's warning about Lord Henry's negative influence, is a key development in the narrative.
• 🚫 Lord Henry's assertion that all influence is immoral because it removes individuality challenges the reader's understanding of the value of advice and guidance.
• 😳 Dorian's realization of the fresh and potentially dangerous influences working within him marks a turning point in his character development.
• 🌹 Lord Henry's emphasis on the importance of youth and beauty, and the fleeting nature of these attributes, deeply impacts Dorian's self-perception and desires.
• 🎭 The conversation between Dorian and Lord Henry about the nature of temptation and the idea of yielding to it to avoid internal conflict introduces a morally complex perspective.
• 🖼️ Dorian's initial joy at seeing his portrait, followed by sorrow and a wish for the painting to age instead of him, foreshadows the tragic pact that the painting will bear the marks of his aging.
• 🔪 The presence of the palette knife, which Basil threatens to use to destroy the painting, introduces an element of foreshadowing that ties into the magical elements of the story.
• 🎭 The final scenes of the chapter, with Dorian choosing to spend his evening with Lord Henry over Basil, signify the shift in his loyalties and the deepening of his relationship with Lord Henry.

Q & A

What is the significance of the color pink in the transcript?

The color pink in the transcript is used to highlight quotes and extracts that are considered very important in the discussion of 'The Picture of Dorian Gray'.

How does Lord Henry's first impression of Dorian Gray influence his trust in Dorian?

Lord Henry's trust in Dorian is influenced by Dorian's appearance. He finds something in Dorian's face that makes him trust him at once, which is linked to the theme of aestheticism and the idea that beauty is associated with good values.

What is the concept of philanthropy as presented by Lord Henry, and why does he advise Dorian against it?

Philanthropy, as presented by Lord Henry, is the act of helping others, particularly those less fortunate. He advises Dorian against it because he believes that only ugly people should engage in such acts, while beautiful people like Dorian should focus on self-centeredness and hedonism.

Why does Dorian insist on Lord Henry staying when he has to leave?

Dorian insists on Lord Henry staying because he is fascinated by Lord Henry's epigrams and sayings, which are different from what he has ever heard before. He wants to continue listening to what Lord Henry has to say.

What advice does Basil give Dorian about Lord Henry's influence?

Basil advises Dorian not to pay attention to what Lord Henry says, as he believes Lord Henry has a bad influence over all his friends, with the exception of himself.

How does Dorian's reaction to Lord Henry's words on page 26 indicate his struggle with new ideas?

Dorian's struggle with new ideas is shown when he tells Lord Henry to stop, as he cannot find an answer to Lord Henry's theories. He finds them delightful but also wrong and dangerous, indicating his internal conflict with accepting these new perspectives.

What does Lord Henry mean when he says that all influence is immoral?

Lord Henry believes that all influence is immoral because it involves giving one's own soul to another person, thereby removing their individuality and the natural course of their actions.

What is the significance of Dorian's wish for the painting to age instead of him?

Dorian's wish for the painting to age instead of him signifies his desire to hold onto his youth and beauty forever. This wish is influenced by Lord Henry's emphasis on the importance of youth and the fleeting nature of beauty.

How does Lord Henry's advice to always search for new sensations affect Dorian's outlook on life?

Lord Henry's advice to always search for new sensations encourages Dorian to seek out any experience, regardless of its moral implications, due to the limited time he has to live fully and perfectly.

What does Dorian mean when he says he would give his soul for eternal youth?

When Dorian says he would give his soul for eternal youth, he is expressing his extreme desire to remain young and beautiful forever. However, it is important to note that he does not actually give his soul away in a literal sense.

Why does Basil decide not to destroy the painting of Dorian?

Basil decides not to destroy the painting of Dorian because Dorian pleads with him not to, equating the act to murder. This foreshadows the fact that the painting has somehow become a living embodiment of Dorian's soul.

What change does Lord Henry observe in Dorian after their conversation?

Lord Henry observes that Dorian has become more confident and assertive, as shown when Dorian objects to being called a 'silly boy.' This change is attributed to the influence of Lord Henry's conversation and ideas on Dorian.

Outlines

00:00

🎨 The Influence of Lord Henry on Dorian Gray's Perception of Beauty

In the second chapter of 'The Picture of Dorian Gray', the video script discusses Lord Henry's first encounter with Dorian and his immediate influence on the young man's views about beauty and its importance. The script highlights Lord Henry's aestheticism, suggesting that beauty is linked to good values and positive traits. It also touches on Dorian's fascination with Lord Henry's epigrams and his growing interest in the idea of self-centeredness and hedonism, which are contrary to Basil's advice of philanthropy and selflessness.

05:00

🗣️ The Power of Lord Henry's Persuasive Discourse

This section of the script delves into the persuasive and often immoral sayings of Lord Henry, which captivate Dorian. It explores the theme of influence and its potential to corrupt individuality, as suggested by Lord Henry's belief that all influence is immoral because it removes one's natural inclinations. The script also emphasizes Dorian's struggle to reconcile the allure of Lord Henry's words with his own emerging sense of morality and the danger of blindly following such influence.

10:01

🌺 Aestheticism and the Pursuit of Youth and Sensuality

The third paragraph examines Lord Henry's impact on Dorian's appreciation of aesthetics, particularly the emphasis on youth and the pursuit of sensual experiences. It discusses Lord Henry's belief that the senses are the only cure for the soul, and by extension, the soul can also cure the senses. The script also highlights Dorian's growing awareness of the fleeting nature of youth and the desire to preserve it, influenced by Lord Henry's teachings on the importance of living life to the fullest and seeking new sensations.

15:04

🔮 Dorian's Realization of the Transience of Youth and the Impact of Lord Henry's Philosophy

In this part of the script, Dorian becomes acutely aware of the transience of his youth and the desire to maintain his beauty forever. The influence of Lord Henry leads Dorian to wish that his portrait would age instead of him, reflecting on the superficiality of valuing youth above all else. The script also points out the irony that Dorian's newfound confidence and attitude are a direct result of Lord Henry's toxic influence, which Dorian himself recognizes as both fascinating and potentially detrimental.

20:06

🎭 The Consequences of Lord Henry's Influence and Dorian's Wish

The final paragraph of the script discusses the immediate aftermath of Dorian's wish for eternal youth, as he first sees his portrait and the realization that it will remain young while he ages. It also covers the dramatic moment when Basil, the painter, contemplates destroying the portrait, which Dorian vehemently opposes, foreshadowing the magical bond between Dorian and his portrait. The script concludes with Dorian's decision to embrace a life of new experiences and sensations, guided by Lord Henry's philosophy, and the beginning of a rift between Dorian and his old friend Basil.

Keywords

💡Aestheticism

Aestheticism is an artistic and philosophical movement that values beauty as the highest principle. In the video, it is linked to Lord Henry's belief that good values and positive traits are attached to physical beauty, which influences Dorian Gray's perception of himself and his actions throughout the story.

💡Philanthropy

Philanthropy refers to the desire or effort to promote the welfare of others, often through charitable activities or donations. In the script, Lord Henry dismisses the idea of philanthropy for Dorian, suggesting that his charm and beauty should exempt him from such pursuits, which reflects a critique of superficial values over moral actions.

💡Hedonism

Hedonism is a philosophy that emphasizes the pursuit of pleasure and self-indulgence as the primary components of a good life. Lord Henry's advice to Dorian to be self-centered and seek personal happiness aligns with hedonistic principles, which is a central theme in Dorian Gray's journey as he becomes influenced by Lord Henry's ideas.

💡Influence

Influence, in this context, denotes the capacity to affect the character, development, or behavior of someone or something. The video discusses how Lord Henry's influence over Dorian leads him to adopt new, potentially harmful perspectives on life, as seen when Dorian starts to value his youth and beauty over moral integrity.

💡Individuality

Individuality is the quality of being a distinct entity with unique characteristics. Lord Henry argues that influence is immoral because it removes individuality. This concept is challenged in the video, as Dorian's transformation under Lord Henry's influence raises questions about the value of maintaining one's unique identity versus the impact of external influences.

💡Temptation

Temptation refers to the allure or enticement to do something, often something considered morally wrong or unwise. Lord Henry's advice to Dorian to yield to temptation is a pivotal point in the video, illustrating a clash between conventional morality and the pursuit of personal desires without restraint.

💡Youth

Youth is a keyword that symbolizes the period of life when one is young and often associated with beauty, energy, and potential. In the script, Lord Henry emphasizes the importance of youth, which significantly impacts Dorian's wish to remain young and beautiful forever, leading to the pivotal wish regarding his portrait.

💡Sensations

Sensations, in the context of the video, refer to the physical and emotional experiences that one seeks. Lord Henry encourages Dorian to seek new sensations without fear, which is a call to embrace life's experiences, but also reflects a potential descent into moral ambiguity and excess.

💡Epiphany

An epiphany is a sudden, intuitive realization or understanding of something. Dorian experiences an epiphany regarding the importance of his youth and the desire to remain unchanged, which is a turning point in the narrative and a direct result of Lord Henry's influence.

💡Foreshadowing

Foreshadowing is a literary device used to hint at future events in a narrative. The script mentions several instances of foreshadowing, such as Dorian's comment about the painting mocking him in the future, which predicts the painting's role in reflecting his moral decay.

💡Moral Ambiguity

Moral ambiguity refers to the complexity of moral issues where there is no clear right or wrong. The video explores this concept through the characters' dialogues and actions, particularly with Lord Henry's persuasive but ethically dubious statements that challenge conventional morality.

Highlights

Lord Henry's first impression of Dorian Gray and the immediate trust inspired by his appearance.

The connection between beauty and positive traits, as discussed in the context of aestheticism.

Lord Henry's belief that only the unattractive engage in philanthropy, contrasting with the idea of altruism.

Dorian's fascination with Lord Henry's conversation and the desire to continue listening despite Basil's warning.

Basil's advice to Dorian to ignore Lord Henry's influence, highlighting the potential for negative impact.

Dorian's growing interest in Lord Henry's perspective, which differs from Basil's.

Lord Henry's assertion that all influence is immoral due to its impact on individuality.

Dorian's struggle to respond to Lord Henry's ideas, indicating a shift in his thinking.

The realization that Lord Henry's words have a transformative 'magic' on Dorian's viewpoint.

Lord Henry's observation of Dorian's fascination and the pleasure he derives from influencing him.

The concept of youth being the only thing worth having, as presented by Lord Henry.

Dorian's wish for the portrait to age instead of him, reflecting the influence of Lord Henry's philosophy.

The misunderstanding that Dorian has made a deal with the devil, which is clarified as not being the case.

Basil's regret over creating the portrait and his intention to destroy it, which Dorian prevents.

The significance of the palette knife as a symbol of potential destruction and foreshadowing.

Dorian's newfound confidence and assertiveness, influenced by Lord Henry's presence.

Basil's distinction between the 'real' Dorian he painted and the changed Dorian influenced by Lord Henry.

Transcripts

we're looking at the second chapter of

The Picture of Dorian Gray and we're

going Page by Page looking at some

extracts and some quotes that are really

really significant sometimes I'll put

them in like a pinky color which shows

that that is very important and there's

a lot that happens in this chapter so we

need to spend some time on it page 23 um

there was something in the face that

made one trust him at once this is Lord

Henry seing Dorian for the first time

into basil studio and Lord Henry says

that because there was something in his

face other what you know what else is in

somebody's face other than the fact that

they look like that so the appearance

the handsomeness the goodlooking nature

of dorian's face automatically makes

Lord Henry trust him and so we've

discussed this in the previous video

Lord Henry's idea that good values um

and positive traits are attached

to Beauty the importance of beauty and

we link that again to aestheticism Lord

Henry says you are too Charming Dorian

to go in for

philanthropy philanthropy helping others

you are too Charming to do that now we

can say well that doesn't make sense

it's good if somebody goes into

philanthropy to help other people that

are less fortunate but Lord Henry says

no only like ugly people do that you

shouldn't be doing that you should be

more self-centered and worry about

making your life the best that it can be

and making yourself happy all the time

you know

Hedonism um and then there's that whole

thing about Dorian saying well please

tell me Lord Henry why do you say that I

shouldn't go into philanthropy page 24

Dorian says basil if Lord Henry goes

because Lord Henry says he has to leave

then I shall go too ask him to stay I

insist upon it now Dorian has only just

met Lord Henry for the first time okay

they've hardly said anything but all

that's been happening is Lord Henry's

been talking there going on and on with

all these epigrams and his witty

fascinating yet

mostly immoral epigrams and sayings and

expressions um but it's been so

fascinating so fascinating to Dorian

because he's never heard somebody speak

like this before and so he immediately

standing there now has to pose for Basil

who's painting who never really says

much never really says anything like

this um Darian thinks yo I really want

Lord Henry to stay I want to keep

listening to what he has to say and

which is unfortunate because at the end

of chapter 1 basil told Lord Henry

please don't influence Dorian you know

your influence will be bad but Lord

Henry has gone ahead

anyway basil says you know fine uh if

you know Lord Henry please stay if it's

going to please basil and if basil stays

it'll please me page 24 basil says don't

move about too much Dorian or pay any

attention to what Lord Henry says that

is good advice basil gives good advice

he has a very bad influence over all his

friends with the single exception of

myself which we discussed in the

previous video uh basil doesn't fall for

Lord Henry's uh witty sayings and

arguments um and that that is factual

basil is talking truth there

unfortunately it's like Dorian is under

Lord Henry's spell and he Lord Henry is

just going to keep talking and dorian's

going to fall for all of it because it

is so different to what he's ever heard

before also on page 24 to Lord Henry to

whom Dorian had rather taken a fancy he

was so unlike basil so there we can see

the reader already knows that Dorian is

very interested in what Lord Henry has

to say um which is very unlike basil so

although basil gives good advice and

he's a true friend to Dorian um he

doesn't really say much and well it's

not very exciting um and so Dorian is

very interested in what Lord Henry has

to say page 25 Dorian says have you

really a bad influence Lord Henry is it

as bad as basil

says comes right out with it and we know

yes it actually is as bad as basil says

Lord Henry says there is no such thing

as a good influence Mr Gray

and we go as the reader we go that's not

true all influence is immoral says Lord

Henry well why because to influence a

person is to give him him one's own soul

and it removes individuality and all

that now we think to ourselves well

that's not true people need advice good

advice from others in order to make good

decisions in order to make themselves

the best that they can be to give them

correct direction but according to Lord

Henry Lord Henry says anytime that you

tell somebody to do something you're

you're removing what that person would

have done naturally and therefore that

is negative influence it's immoral

influence so we know from these witty EP

witty epigrams that we cannot trust or

believe everything that Lord Henry says

and because we as the reader cannot

believe everything that Lord Henry says

we know then that Dorian who is

naive is not able to differentiate

between what should be acceptable what

should be listened to what advice is

good the irony or what should be ignored

that Lord Henry is talking nonsense he's

not able to make that

differentiation and the relationship

between Dorian and Lord Henry is going

to grow so that basil is left out and so

basil is not there to try and protect

Dorian from what Lord Henry has to say

and we see that already in this chapter

um Lord Henry continues by saying that

the terror of society which is the basis

of morals and the terror of God these

are the two things that govern us well

that he's got a point but is that a bad

thing you know um is it bad that you

want to have good morals and do the

right thing um is it bad that you want

to live a a holy life uh cuz I mean a

life of you know is not sinning as far

as possible although we are all Sinners

and all that but you know the desire not

to sin and the desire to be a good

person is what governs Our Lives is that

not a good thing page 25 a look had come

into the lad's face that basil had never

seen there before basil looks at Dorian

because he's trying to paint him right

he's standing there and he sees an

expression in dorian's face and he

things I've never seen that expression

before and that expression is Dorian

completely engrossed by what Lord Henry

has to say

page 26 Lord Henry says every impulse

that we strive to strangle Broods in the

mind and poison

us every desire that we have sits there

in our brain and it poisons us right if

we try and ignore it but it only does us

an injustice the only way to get rid of

a temptation is to yield to

it that's what's Lord Henry says in the

room there now you and I will say well

that's not necessarily good advice at

all I don't think every Temptation that

we have uh we should just give

into but he says if we resist it our

soul grows sick with longing for the

things it has forbidden to itself our

soul grows sick and now you can apply

that to anything you know oh you

suddenly have a temptation to try a drug

well you know if you try and resist it

you're just going to feel bad about

yourself and long for for it so you

should just do it that's terrible advice

page 26 Darian says stop after hearing

all of Lord Henry talking and talking he

says stop I don't know what to say there

is some answer to you but I cannot find

it because this is so foreign these

words and this way of thinking he's so

foreign to Dorian that he's like I feel

like I should be able to reply to you

and say something but I don't know

actually what to say because your your

theories

are sort of delightful but also wrong

and just

dangerous page 26 Dorian was dimly

conscious that entirely fresh influences

were at work within him Dorian is aware

that Lord Henry is having an influence

on him and yes he is words mere words

just simple words coming out of Lord

Henry's mouth how terrible they were

yeah they are terrible how clear and

Vivid and cruel and yet what a subtle

magic there was in them in that the

words coming out of Lord Henry's mouth

are magical in the sense that they are

able to change dorian's whole viewpoint

on society and on life and we'll see how

mere words can be very very dangerous

and cruel later on when Dorian treats

syil the way he does and the things that

he says to syil look at the impact that

those words have those words lead her to

commit suicide so yes words are very

terrible they can be and there is a

magic in them well we'll see a little

bit later in this chapter when Dorian

talks about the painting and how he

wishes that uh the painting would age

and he wouldn't and then somehow this uh

I don't know magic takes place and it

actually comes into effect so yes their

words are magical as well page 27 Lord

Henry is there just watching Dorian you

know having spoken to him and he says

how fascinating the lad was how

fascinating the lad was he loves it he's

enjoying the fact that Dorian is

reacting to what he's saying so well

he's taking he absorbing every word

basil you says you mustn't believe a

word that he says again and Lord Henry

says uh Dorian you know you believe all

of it so Lord Henry is well aware of the

influence that he has on Dorian sorry

Lord Henry yes well aware of the

influence that he has in Dorian page 28

Lord Henry finds Dorian in the garden

because Dorian goes out into the garden

his whole description of the flowers and

all that again aestheticism and Lord

Henry says you know nothing can cure the

soul but the senses just as nothing can

cure the senses but the soul that is a

typical epigram and sometimes these

witty sayings that Lord Henry says

cannot be taken seriously or part of it

is true and part of it isn't or they

kind of ram where the one part makes

sense but the other part doesn't really

make sense it's just said there to like

create a nice balance so if we just look

at the first part of what he says here

nothing can cure the soul but the senses

in other words our soul the only way to

cure it to make it feel good um is to

satisfy our senses our touch our sight

our smell and all

that now there may be some truth to that

but you know later on Lord Henry is

going to tell Dorian to always seek you

know New Sensations and that doesn't

mean whether those Sensations are moral

or immoral so this advice here that he's

continually bombarding on torian is not

good advice page 28 Dorian had known

basil for months but the friendship

between them had never altered him

that's true it never had because Basel

had never tried to influence Dorian and

hadn't said all these um negative

cynical

things now we get to some really

important stuff page 29 Lord Henry says

youth is the one thing worth having now

this is when Lord Henry is going to make

Dorian realize just how important his

youth is and and because of that

influence when Dorian sees the painting

for the first time although at first he

thinks wow do I already look that

good-looking and all that he immediately

hates it because he knows that he's

going to lose his youth he would never

have thought that way if Lord Henry had

not spoken to

him and you know here Dorian says well I

don't feel that and Lord Henry says yeah

well you don't feel it now but someday

when you are old and wrinkled and ugly

when thought has seared your forehead

with its lines and passion branded your

lift with its idiot fires you will feel

it you will feel it terribly and I've

said there yes he does he does feel it

terribly um but you have to read on

further to know that one day uh he is

going to be old and wrinkled and ugly

but it's not him Dorian it's not Dorian

as such it's going to be old wrinkled

and ugly it's going to be the painting

that's old wrinkled and ugly and uh yes

Dorian will feel it then it he will feel

it terribly when he looks at it um but

now wherever you go you charm the world

again so reinforcing that you need to

hold on to your Youth and your beauty

for as long as possible Lord Henry says

yes Mr Gray the gods have been good to

you but what the gods give they quickly

take away in fact you only have a few

years in which to live really perfectly

and fully so you must make the most of

those years so no wonder Dorian wants to

stay young forever page 30 Lord Henry

says Be always searching for New

Sensations be afraid of nothing that is

not necessarily good advice yes we get

it live life to the fullest and all that

but you must be searching ing for New

Sensations be afraid of nothing the

total nothing that's a new headism the

world belongs to you for a season so

taking that advice Dorian who doesn't

know any better is going to think to

himself I'm must seek out any sensation

and any new experience no matter whether

it's moral or immoral because I've got a

limited time to do it and because Lord

Henry says I must that's what real

living

means and again Lord Henry on page 30

reiterates there is absolutely nothing

in the world but youth which is not

correct page 31 Lord Henry says you are

glad you have met me Mr Gray there's

that insight into knowing Lord Henry

knowing what he's doing to Dorian Dorian

says yes I am glad now but I wonder

shall I always be

glad so already Dorian as naive as he is

and in this early stage of the novel

thinks to himself you know am I always

going to be glad that I that I've met

you because I can tell that your

influence is somewhat toxic it is

wrong but it's unfortunately just so

fascinating and delightful that that's

going to overrule the wrongness of

it but Dorian will not always be glad

because we'll see later in the novel

he'll wish that he had never met Lord

Henry um page 3 to when Dorian saw the

painting he drew back so this is when he

first sees it and his cheeks flush for a

moment with pleasure a look of Joy came

into his eyes because now he realizes

that people have told me how

good-looking I am basil has painted this

painting basically solely because I'm so

good-looking right so basil has

reinforced that I'm good-look Lord Henry

has reinforced that I'm good-look I'm

sure um when he was at that party where

basil met him

all those ladies in that forced it too

um so he's gotten this idea that he is

in fact very good very handsome very

good-looking and so now when he sees the

painting he thinks you know even though

he's looked in a mirror before seeing it

from a painting perspective he thinks

wow do I really look that good but then

Lord Henry's influence of the past

couple of our you know minutes that

they've been talking there um kicks

in and he says how how sad it is cries

Dorian I shall grow old and terrible and

Dreadful but this picture will remain

always young if it were only the other

way now we don't know exactly at what

point the magic kicks in but there

Dorian is saying if only the painting

Grew Older and I didn't for that for

that I would give everything yes there

is nothing in the whole world I would

not give I would give my soul for that

now it's very important to realize that

Dorian does not give his soul away you

know it's not like the Dr

foress by Christopher Marlo written in

1616 where um a person gains 100 Years

of knowledge of the whole world but then

after the 100 years the devil takes his

soul and Dorian is not making a deal

with the devil let me just reiterate

that I have read that before on sources

on the internet that are supposedly

credible it is not true there's no devil

involved here all that happens is that

somehow the painting adopts dorian's

soul and ages where Dorian doesn't

Dorian says on page 34 how long will you

like me Basel till I have my first

wrinkle I suppose I know now that when

one loses one good looks one loses

everything you would not he would not

have said that Doran would not have said

that the day before it's only Lord

Henry's influence that's done that and

made him think that way your picture

your picture has taught me that it's

almost like the blame's now going to

basle Lord Henry is perfectly right oh

dear you really think Lord Henry is

perfectly right in everything that he's

saying youth is the only thing worth

having when I find that I'm growing old

I shall kill myself oh dear that is I

put that in pink when I find that I'm

growing old I shall kill myself um

foreshadowing

page 34 Dorian says if the picture could

change and I could always be what I am

now why did you paint it basil it will

mock me someday it will mock me horribly

yes it will it will mock him horribly

but not because it's hasn't changed and

Dorian is old no the painting changes

and mocks Dorian in another way if you

know you've read further um you will

know what I mean page 3 4 basil says

this is your doing

Harry which it is Lord Henry says it is

the real Dorian Gray that is all so it's

like I've just woken up the real

character and Persona of Dorian Gray

this is how he actually thinks but he

was just too naive and protected and

hadn't been prompted before so he didn't

really think it but the way that Dorian

is thinking now is the real Dorian also

Lord Henry is taking no responsibility

for the fact that he's influence Lord

Dorian at all Lord Henry is no

responsibility and you know it's like I

haven't done anything page 35 basil says

between you both you have made me hate

the finest piece of work I've ever done

and I will destroy it and I put there

it's a Pity he doesn't it's a Pity basil

should have destroyed the painting right

there and then and then the whole plot

wouldn't have happened however

um if the effect the magic has already

occurred then destroying the painting

may have

been a bad idea for poor old Dorian you

may have dropped dead right there and

then page 35 Basil's looking for the

long pallet knife the the knife that he

uses to you know mix the paints on the

pallet uh when he's been painting Dorian

with his thin blade of Life steel he was

going to rip up the canvas it's

important that you take note of that

pallet knife that's existing there all

right that's um also a bit of

foreshadowing you know it's like it's

important the the reader has been shown

that for a reason Dorian says cries out

don't basil don't it would be

murder no one here at this point no one

in this room has any idea that this

magic has taken place but the fact that

Dorian says don't basle it would be

murder it's foreshadowing because it

actually would be murder because the

painting has now adopted Dorian soul and

so therefore stabbing the painting would

actually kill Dorian in real

life page 36 the last slide Dorian says

and I don't allow people to call me a

silly boy now Lord Henry says oh you

better give me this painting this silly

boy doesn't know what he's doing kind of

thing and Dorian reacts and says I don't

allow people to call me a silly boy but

now basil earlier on in the chapter had

told him had called him boy you know

like move your head slight into the left

boy or something like that um boy can be

seen as condescending and belittling you

know and and when basil said it wasn't a

problem but now that Lord Henry has said

it and we've gone slightly further into

the day Dorian has this new attitude and

this new confidence of I don't allow

people to call me a silly boy and Lord

Henry says well you don't really object

to being reminded that you are young and

Dorian says I should have objected very

strongly this morning and Lord Henry

says Ah this morning you have lived

since then implying that before Lord

Henry met Dorian Dorian wasn't really

living

and wasn't experiencing New Sensations

or thoughts or ways of thinking that he

now knows Dorian is doing because of

Lord Henry's influence because of the

way that he's spoken has changed

dorian's outlook on life on on himself

and the way he views the

world end of the chapter Dorian says um

that he's not going to dine with Basel

that in fact he wants to go to the

theater with Lord Henry and uh

basil is invited to go with but he says

no he's got too much work to do and all

that and right at the bottom of page 37

or or on that page basil says while

walking over to the Portrait of Dorian

says I shall stay with the real Dorian

and that's interesting which is the real

Dorian now but what Basel means is that

the Dorian that I painted the Dorian

that stood there while I painted him to

me that's the real Dorian the innocent

Dorian the the more kind Dorian I'm I'm

not interested in the Dorian character

that you are creating Lord Henry that

you have um influenced negatively

because I don't like that Dorian the way

that Dorian thinks and speaks um it's

quite off-putting actually