Renato Cariani QUEBRA O SILÊNCIO sobre ROMANTIZAÇÃO DA OBESIDADE

Iron Mindset Brasil
17 May 202408:56

Summary

TLDRThe speaker vehemently opposes the romanticization of obesity, emphasizing its classification as a disease with an international code. They argue against accepting obesity and advocate for treatment, drawing parallels to other serious illnesses like cancer. The discussion highlights the complexity of obesity, including psychological and metabolic aspects, and the importance of addressing self-esteem and lifestyle changes. The speaker also addresses misconceptions about calorie intake, using examples to illustrate how seemingly small indulgences can contribute to weight gain and the need for a balanced, healthy diet.

Takeaways

  • 🚫 The speaker strongly opposes the romanticization of obesity, emphasizing that it is a disease with an international disease code.
  • 💉 The speaker compares obesity to cancer, stating that it should be treated, not accepted, and that it's not a mental issue to encourage treatment.
  • 📈 The speaker highlights that during the pandemic, obese and sedentary individuals were among those with the highest mortality rates, indicating the severity of obesity.
  • 🤔 The speaker suggests that one cannot simply blame an obese person without understanding their history and the factors that led to their condition.
  • 👗 The speaker discusses how some people may use larger clothes or other means to improve their self-esteem, but eventually, this can lead to neglecting self-esteem altogether.
  • 🍽️ The speaker emphasizes the importance of helping obese individuals regain control over their health and physical condition, rather than just focusing on their weight.
  • 🥗 The speaker talks about the need for a correct diet, but not an extreme one, suggesting that starting with high-calorie dense foods and then transitioning to healthier options is a better approach.
  • 🍰 The speaker uses an anecdote about XJ consuming a large amount of calories from snacks like Nutella and bread, illustrating the misconception that obese individuals don't eat a lot.
  • 🏋️‍♂️ The speaker mentions that physical activity is also a crucial part of the process, as it was the case with Igor, who initially thought his lack of activity was the problem.
  • 🍔 The speaker points out the difference between consuming calories from drinks versus solid food, using the example of drinks versus a meal with rice, beans, chicken, and salad.
  • 🍕 The speaker discusses the variability in calorie content among different types of food, such as homemade hamburgers versus fast-food hamburgers, and the importance of understanding this when considering a diet.

Q & A

  • What is the speaker's stance on the romanticization of obesity?

    -The speaker is against the romanticization of obesity, emphasizing that it is a disease with an international disease code and should be treated, not accepted.

  • Why does the speaker compare obesity to cancer in terms of acceptance?

    -The speaker compares obesity to cancer to highlight that just as cancer should not be accepted but treated, the same approach should be taken with obesity.

  • What was the speaker's approach to discussing obesity with XJ in a podcast?

    -The speaker was very categorical about the fact that obesity is a disease and should not be romanticized, using the international disease code as a point of argument.

  • According to the speaker, what was the priority during the pandemic for health risks?

    -The speaker mentions that during the pandemic, sedentary obese individuals were given priority because they were among those who suffered the most.

  • Why does the speaker argue that it's not fair to blame an obese person for their condition?

    -The speaker argues that it's not fair to blame an obese person because their condition may be the result of various factors including their environment, personal history, and emotional connections with food.

  • What does the speaker suggest as the first step in helping an obese person regain control over their physical health?

    -The speaker suggests that the first step is to help the person regain their self-esteem and make them understand that they still have the total possibility of regaining control over their physical health.

  • What is the speaker's view on the importance of psychological and metabolic changes in treating obesity?

    -The speaker believes that both psychological and metabolic changes are crucial in treating obesity, as it involves not just diet but also a change in the person's mindset and metabolism.

  • What is the speaker's opinion on the effectiveness of a high-calorie, low-density diet for an obese person?

    -The speaker believes that a high-calorie, low-density diet is not effective for an obese person and suggests a diet of real food such as fruits, vegetables, rice, beans, chicken, and fish to reduce caloric intake.

  • What example does the speaker provide to illustrate the difference between consuming calories and eating food?

    -The speaker uses the example of a person consuming 812 calories in three drinks versus eating two plates of food with the same caloric value, to show that consuming calories in liquid form can be misleading and less satisfying than eating solid food.

  • Why does the speaker emphasize the importance of understanding the caloric content of different foods?

    -The speaker emphasizes this to illustrate that the same amount of calories can be consumed in very different forms, and understanding this can help in making healthier food choices to reduce overall caloric intake.

  • What is the speaker's view on the role of self-esteem in the process of weight loss for obese individuals?

    -The speaker believes that self-esteem plays a significant role in weight loss, as it is important to make the individual feel good about themselves and regain control over their physical health.

Outlines

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🍽️ Addressing Obesity and its Stigma

The speaker strongly argues against the romanticization of obesity, emphasizing that it is a disease with an international code, similar to cancer. They stress the importance of not blaming the obese for their condition but understanding that it is often the result of a complex interplay of environmental factors, personal history, and emotional connections to food. The speaker advocates for a holistic approach to treating obesity, involving psychological support to restore self-esteem and a metabolic shift through proper diet. They critique the idea of a 'one-size-fits-all' diet and instead suggest starting with a transition from high-calorie to healthier, nutrient-dense foods. The speaker also shares an anecdote about a person consuming a large amount of calories unknowingly through drinks, highlighting the need for awareness and education about food consumption.

05:00

📊 The Calorie Conundrum: Comparing Food and Drink Intake

This paragraph delves into the misconceptions people have about their calorie intake, particularly through beverages versus solid food. The speaker uses the example of a person consuming 812 calories through drinks, which is equivalent to two plates of food, to illustrate that the act of consuming calories is often underestimated. They point out the difference between the perception of eating 'little' food and the actual caloric intake from drinks and snacks. The speaker also discusses the variability in calorie content within similar food categories, such as homemade versus fast-food hamburgers, and the importance of understanding these differences when considering a diet plan. They conclude by emphasizing the need for a balanced approach to diet that considers both the type and quantity of food consumed.

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Keywords

💡Romantization of Obesity

The term 'romantization of obesity' refers to the phenomenon where obesity is portrayed in a positive or acceptable light, rather than being recognized as a health issue. In the video, the speaker strongly opposes this notion, emphasizing that obesity is a disease with an international disease code and should be treated as such, not accepted or romanticized.

💡SID (International Disease Code)

SID stands for 'Sistema Internacional de Classificação de Doenças', which is the International Classification of Diseases. The script mentions that obesity has a SID code, indicating that it is officially recognized as a disease. This is used to argue against the acceptance of obesity and to highlight the need for treatment.

💡Pandemic

The pandemic is referenced in the context of how sedentary obese individuals were among those most affected during the health crisis. This serves to underscore the severity of obesity as a health risk and the importance of addressing it.

💡Self-esteem

Self-esteem is discussed in relation to body image and the psychological aspects of obesity. The script talks about how individuals may use clothing, hairstyles, or other external factors to boost their self-esteem when they feel insecure about their weight. It's a key concept in understanding the psychological journey towards healthier habits and body acceptance.

💡Diet

Diet is a central theme in the video, with the speaker discussing the importance of a proper diet for weight management. The script mentions that there is a 'right diet' and that drastic changes like switching from high-calorie foods to only salads are not sustainable. The concept of diet is tied to the broader message of lifestyle changes for health improvement.

💡High-calorie Foods

High-calorie foods are described as those that are extremely dense in calories, which can contribute to obesity if consumed in large quantities. The speaker uses the example of 'pão de queijo' (cheese bread) and Nutella to illustrate how quickly calories can add up, emphasizing the need to be mindful of calorie intake.

💡Metabolism

Metabolism is mentioned in the context of the body's processes related to the transformation of food into energy. The script talks about the 'psychological and metabolic process' of changing one's diet, indicating that weight management is not just about diet but also about how the body processes food.

💡Portion Control

Portion control is implied when discussing the difference between consuming drinks versus solid food. The script uses the example of drinks that are high in calories but may not feel as filling as a solid meal, suggesting that being aware of portion sizes is crucial for managing calorie intake.

💡Physical Control

Physical control refers to the idea of regaining control over one's body, which is a psychological aspect discussed in the video. The speaker argues that individuals with obesity need to believe in their ability to take control of their physical health, which is part of the process of overcoming obesity.

💡Sedentary Lifestyle

A sedentary lifestyle is described as a contributing factor to obesity. The script mentions that during the pandemic, sedentary obese individuals were among those who suffered the most, highlighting the importance of physical activity in maintaining health.

💡Nutritionist

The role of a nutritionist is alluded to in the context of providing guidance on healthy eating. The script suggests that a nutritionist would advise against consuming extremely high-calorie foods, like a 3000-calorie pizza, and instead promote a balanced diet.

Highlights

The speaker strongly opposes the romanticization of obesity, emphasizing it is a disease with an international disease code.

Obesidade is compared to cancer, suggesting it should be treated rather than accepted.

The importance of understanding the history and circumstances that lead to obesity is highlighted.

The speaker discusses the psychological and metabolic process of obesity, including the impact of environment and upbringing.

A personal connection with food leading to weight gain is mentioned as a common factor among obese individuals.

The need to restore self-esteem and focus on health for obese individuals is emphasized.

The speaker refutes the idea of a 'one-size-fits-all' diet, advocating for personalized dietary approaches.

A story about XJ consuming a large amount of calories from snacks rather than recognizing it as overeating is shared.

The concept of high-calorie density foods is introduced, and their impact on weight gain is discussed.

The speaker explains the importance of transitioning from high-calorie dense foods to healthier options.

A personal anecdote about XJ's consumption of Nutella and bread is used to illustrate the hidden calories in seemingly small amounts of food.

The difference between consuming calories and actually eating food is explored, with an emphasis on the latter being more beneficial for weight loss.

The speaker challenges the common misconception that obese individuals eat a lot, using the example of drinks versus meals.

The impact of portion size and the caloric content of different foods, such as pizza and hamburgers, is discussed.

A comparison between homemade hamburgers and fast-food options like McDonald's is made to highlight nutritional differences.

The importance of recognizing the caloric content in everyday snacks and how it compares to full meals is emphasized.

The transcript concludes with a discussion on the variability in caloric content within the same type of food, such as different pizzas or hamburgers.

Transcripts

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e o lance da romantização da obesidade

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Não não é bem assim não faz mal eu vi

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que você foi Claro nesse sentido né eu

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fui muito categórico nisso eh num

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podcast inclusive com o próprio XJ eu

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falei o seguinte eu falei olha obesidade

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tem Sid tem Sid código internacional de

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doença Ah é ou seja se obesidade tem um

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código internacional de doença ela é uma

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doença é porque esse medo fal uma doença

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é você tá com câncer não você tem que

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aceitar seu câncer aceite seu câncer não

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tem que tratar eu seria um [ __ ]

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mental em falar isso e por que eu vou

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falar isso pra obesidade se ela também

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tem um

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Sid tanto que na época da pandemia

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pessas PR entend uma coisa tiveram

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prioridade na exatamente as pessoas que

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mais morreram na pandemia eram as

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pessoas obesas sedentárias é

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a gente precisa entender uma coisa você

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não pode apontar o dedo pro obeso e

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dizer F assim como é que um cara chegou

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numa situação dessa não fala assim não

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sabe história você não sabe a história

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você não sabe o que conspirou ninguém

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acorda um dia e fala assim dane-se eu

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vou pesar 200 kg é um

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processo você por algum momento do seu

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ambiente ou por alguma situação ou até

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pela sua criação

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você gerou uma conexão muito grande com

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a comida e aí você vai engordando e o

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que que você faz você vai usando roupas

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mais

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largas você vai curtindo outras coisas

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para melhorar sua autoestima de repente

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cabelo

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tatuagem tênis relógio alguma coisa que

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te apegue para você chega uma hora que

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você esquece da

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autoestima aí Você só usa roupas largas

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usadas a sua prioridade é outra sua

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prioridade é a TV prioridade é o

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videogame a sua prioridade é o sofá sua

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prioridade é o trabalho junto sua

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prioridade é a comida aí meu amigo como

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é que você tem que fazer resgatar a

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autoestima dessa pessoa resgatar a

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questão dela olhar pra saúde dela

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explicar para ela que ela ainda tem

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Total possibilidade de retomar o

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controle sobre o físico dela porque ela

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acha que ela já não retoma mais e é um

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process

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é um processo

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psicológico e metabólico metabólico é

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você com a tua equipe aplica a dieta

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certa porque tem uma dieta certa eu não

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posso pegar o XJ pessoal fala ass ren

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Qual a dieta do XJ você acha realmente

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que eu vou pegar um cara que pesa 310 kg

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e vai lá para ele a partir de hoje você

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vai comer salada arroz integral não

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amigo calma não vai dar certo ele vai

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entrar na pira o que você precisa ó vai

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comer

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comida mas eu tenho fome come comida

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Então você chega primeiro num passo e

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faz troca comida de alta densidade

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calórica que é todas as comidas que são

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extremamente pesadas e coloca o cara

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para comer comida de verdade fruta

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vegetal arroz feijão frango carne ovo

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peixe só aí ele já reduz em 50% nível

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calórico

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50% só aí

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um amigo incomum falou para mim que uma

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vez o XJ sentou com amigos pegou dois

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pacotes de pão puma um pote de Nutella

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de 500 e comeu conversando com os amigos

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meu eu não consigo fazer isso você não

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consegue fazer isso ele consegue tirar

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ele dessa situação e colocar ele com

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alimentação saudável é uma mudança

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surreal no metabolismo dele

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surreal porque ele é um rapaz capaz de

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comer 4000 calorias numa refeição

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dependendo do nível de densidade

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calórica de uma

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refeição mas para toda pessoa obesa se

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for você perguntar para ela se ela come

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muito ela vai dizer o quê não não não

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como muito é não sei o que acontece é

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meu exato porque ela já não presta mais

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atenção Eu me recordo de um podcast que

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eu fiz com o Igor o Igor começando o

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podcast ele chegou para mim e falou

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assim Renato ele já tava treinando ou

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não não foi quando eu fiz o dia que ele

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aceitou O Desafio naquele dia eu bati

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nele até ele aceitar o desafio foi é foi

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foi no dia primeiro de julho do ano

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passado ele falou assim para mim Renato

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eu não como

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muito o meu problema é que eu não sou

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ativo eu sou sedentário eu falei assim

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você não come muito eu falei não eu

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falei assim eu cheguei aqui eu falei ele

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falou assim eu falei assim que que tem

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nesse drink aí aí ele falou ah tem leite

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condensado álcool suco de laranja pá pá

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pá eu falei tá mas é o segundo drink que

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você pediu ele falou é pedi dois desse

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eu falei mas quando eu cheguei aqui a

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gente ainda não tinha começado o

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programa você tava tomando um outro

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drink Ah eu tava tomando isso e isso e

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isso peguei as calculadora celular

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calculei eu falei assim ó você consumiu

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812 calorias nesses drinks nesses três

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drinks 812 calorias eu falei assim se

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você colocar num prato dá dois pratos

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com uma escumadeira de arroz uma concha

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de feijão um filé de frango e um prato

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de salada cara

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uma escumadeira de arroz uma concha de

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feijão um filé de frango um prato de

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salada tem aproximadamente 400 calorias

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meu eu falei assim você acabou de comer

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dois pratos de comida que você não come

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e fala que você come pouco eu acredito

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que você coma pouco comida é mas

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consumir calorias e comer comida são

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coisas diferentes comida é a melhor

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forma de você reduzir o consumo de

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calorias do dois pratos 800 calorias

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três drinks 800 calorias o que que é

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mais fácil de comer dois pratos ou três

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drinks três drinkes faz assim velho nem

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Verê assim cara que que é mais fácil

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você comer um

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prato de arroz feijão frango salada e

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ainda uma fruta ou uma barrinha de 100 g

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de chocolate é a barrinha de 100 g de

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chocolate tem as calorias de um prato de

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arroz feijão frango salada e uma fruta e

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o hamburgão daqueles

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aí vai o hambúrguer é muito o hambúrguer

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é muito relativo por Se você pegar um

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hambúrguer pequeno hambúrguer caseiro é

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igual pizza uma fatia de pizza ela pode

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variar de 160 calorias A 350 calorias o

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que que pega o que que pesa tamanho da

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massa uma massa fina uma massa Pan já

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faz diferença Pô cara massa fina uma

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massa Pan tem um pizza cara esses dias

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eu eu eu eu ia copiar a tela uma

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pizzaria lançou uma pizza de 3 k cara

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Como assim tinha 3 k de cobertura altura

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da massa cobertura recheio a borda desse

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tamanho você apertava a borda velho ela

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gozava queijo para todo lado os cara

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entreg de guind o negócio agora imagina

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o nutricionista chega pro cara e fala

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assim hoje você tá liberado pode comer

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três fatias de pizza tá bom três de

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pizza o cara comprou uma pizza de 3 k

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velho Pega três pedaços de pizza que

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equivale a 800 g de pizza e mete bronca

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em 900 calorias por fatia velho então

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então é isso né dentro do próprio tipo

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de alimento tem uma variação é

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hambúrguer que você falou o hambúrguer

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caseiro é o melhor você vai pegar um ó

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pegar o McDonald's por exemplo que

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aquele você pega o McDonald's por

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exemplo o McDonald's ele é o é o o

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McDonald's ele tem aproximadamente 500

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calorias o Big Mac só o lanche só o

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lanche né agregou a batata tudo dá 850

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calorias cara dois pratão dois pratos de

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comid dois pratos de comida o problema

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do hambúrguer do McDonald's é que ele

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tem muita gordura você pode ver ele tem

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muito molho né molho molho molho o o

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hambúrguer tem muita gordura Ele tem

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muita gordura Se você pegar por exemplo

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um hambúrguer do Madeiro por exemplo ele

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já vai ter mais proteína ele tem

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bastante gordura tem mas ele já vai ter

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uma taxa de proteína mais alta porque o

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hambúrguer é maior entendi e esse mas

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ele é mais calórico do que o hambúrguer

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do mac é mesmo pô o tamanho né É E esse

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de casa que a gente pega e então aí

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agora Imagina aí você vai chega em casa

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olha que hambúrguer top você manda moer

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patinho Pô manda moer

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fraldinha e manda moer costela costela é

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gordo é tá você coloca 100 g a cada 100

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g vamos por 100 g 100 g de patinho 100 g

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