Solo on the Starline Express

Summary

In this episode of the Pixelated podcast, Damian shares his experiences from attending Google I/O for the first time. He discusses the standout Project Starline, a 3D conferencing technology that impressed him with its realistic presence and eye contact capabilities, despite some minor drawbacks. Damian also talks about Android 15 Beta 2, noting the lack of major UI changes but appreciating the refinements and new features like private space. He expresses disappointment with the underwhelming focus on Android at the event, given its importance, but remains optimistic about the potential for AI integration. Additionally, he highlights Google's AI sandbox area, where he experimented with an image generation tool and a penalty shootout game using Pixel 8 Pro cameras and AI, which was enjoyable but had some issues in scoring accuracy. Damian concludes by reflecting on the value of meeting the podcast and channel audience in person and hints at a possible meet and greet at next year's I/O.

Takeaways

• 🎙️ Damian is hosting the 10th episode of the Pixelated podcast solo this week.
• 🏢 The podcast was recorded after Damian's experience at the I/O conference in San Francisco.
• 🤖 There was a significant focus on AI at the conference, which Damian finds interesting despite not being an AI specialist.
• 📊 Damian was initially skeptical about Project Starline, Google's 3D conferencing technology, but was impressed by its realistic feel.
• 👀 Project Starline allows for eye contact and a sense of presence, making remote interactions feel more personal.
• 🔍 Damian noticed some technical drawbacks, such as aliasing effects on the edges of features in the 3D display.
• 🚀 Android 15 beta 2 was released with new features like private space and a redesigned sound menu, but without much fanfare at the conference.
• 📱 Damian is testing Android 15 beta 2 on multiple devices and finds it stable and user-friendly.
• 🎨 Google showcased AI tools like an image generation tool from text prompts and a music effects library, which Damian found impressive.
• ⚽️ Google's penalty shootout tech, which uses the Pixel 8 Pro camera and AI, scored Damian's penalty taking poorly, leading to some frustration.
• 🤝 Damian enjoyed meeting listeners and viewers of the podcast and channel at the conference, and is keen to do more of that in the future.

Q & A

What is the name of the podcast where Damian is a host?

Pixelated

How many episodes of the podcast have been released by the time of this episode?

10 episodes

Why is Damian traveling back home after the event?

He has been attending the Google I/O event at San Francisco Airport.

What is Project Starline?

Project Starline is a 3D conferencing technology that places someone in the room with you using special camera tech and display technology.

What was Damian's initial skepticism about Project Starline?

Damian was skeptical because he thought it would be like regular video conferencing, which he found plain and boring.

How does Project Starline differ from traditional video calling?

Project Starline uses 3D technology to make it feel like you're in the same room as the person you're communicating with, allowing for more realistic eye contact and interaction.

What are some drawbacks Damian noticed with Project Starline?

At close inspection, there can be visible aliasing on the fringes of a person's shirt, hairline, or facial features. Also, the technology is currently limited to one-to-one interactions and requires a significant setup.

What is Android 15 beta 2?

Android 15 beta 2 is a significant release from Google with a large feature set and new additions, including a private space feature similar to Samsung's locked folder.

Why was there no in-depth discussion about Android during the Google I/O keynote?

The keynote focused heavily on AI, and Android was somewhat of a side note, which Damian found a bit disappointing given Android's importance.

What new feature in Android 15 beta 2 did Damian find particularly interesting?

Damian found the redesigned sound menu to be his out-and-out favorite addition in Android 15 beta 2.

What was Damian's reaction to the AI sandbox area at Google I/O?

Damian was genuinely impressed with the AI tools, especially the image generation tool from text prompts and the music effects library.

What activity at the Google I/O event did Damian enjoy the most?

Damian enjoyed the penalty shootout game that used the Pixel 8 Pro camera systems and an AI tool to assess how participants took penalties.

Outlines

00:00

🎙️ Podcast Introduction and IO Experience

Damian, the host, begins the 10th episode of the Pixelated podcast solo, reflecting on his recent experience at the I/O conference in San Francisco. He discusses the highlights and shares his thoughts on the event, particularly focusing on the Project Starline demo, which is a 3D conferencing technology. Despite being initially skeptical, Damian is impressed by the realistic experience of the technology, which allows for eye contact and a sense of presence. He also mentions the absence of his co-host, Abner, and the various announcements made at the conference, hinting at a focus on AI.

05:01

🤔 Impressions of Project Starline and Android 15 Beta 2

In this paragraph, Damian delves into his experience with Google's Project Starline, a 3D teleconferencing technology that creates a lifelike interaction with remote participants. He contrasts his initial skepticism with the impressive realism of the technology, highlighting the high-resolution display and 3D depth that contribute to a convincing virtual presence. He also touches on some drawbacks, such as the visibility of aliasing and the limited range of motion. Additionally, Damian briefly mentions Android 15 Beta 2, which was released with new features like private space and a redesigned sound menu, and expresses his overall positive impression of the beta release.

10:03

📱 Android 15 Beta 2 Features and Expectations

Damian discusses the Android 15 Beta 2 release, noting the lack of a major overhaul but appreciating the refinements and UI tweaks. He mentions the new private space feature, which offers an extra layer of privacy, and the redesigned sound menu, which he considers his favorite addition. Despite the absence of a significant visual redesign, Damian suggests that the beta lays a solid foundation for future updates. He also expresses his desire to see more integration of AI into the Android system and hopes for more information on how Google plans to incorporate it into various aspects of the platform.

15:05

🤖 AI Sandbox and Interactive Tech Demos

In this segment, Damian talks about the AI sandbox area at I/O, where he explored Google's new tools, including an image generation tool from text prompts and a music effects library. He is particularly impressed by the technology's ability to create images from text and the real-time shadow effects. However, he also shares his frustration with a penalty shootout tech demo that uses the Pixel 8 Pro camera and AI to assess penalty kicks. Despite enjoying the interactive experience, he criticizes the scoring system for not accurately reflecting the quality of the kicks, especially when they result in a goal.

🎉 Conclusion and Reflections on I/O

Damian concludes the podcast by reflecting on his overall experience at I/O. He expresses his enjoyment of meeting fans of the channel and podcast, which he considers the highlight of the event. He also hints at the possibility of organizing a meet and greet for the next I/O event. Despite the heat and the need for more sun protection, Damian is satisfied with the event and looks forward to future episodes with Abner.

Keywords

💡Pixelated Episode 10

This refers to the tenth episode of a podcast series called 'Pixelated'. The significance of this keyword is that it marks a milestone for the podcast, indicating that it has reached ten episodes. In the script, Damian mentions this as he begins the episode, reflecting on the journey so far and the content they will cover in this particular installment.

💡I/O

I/O stands for input/output and in the context of this video, it refers to Google I/O, Google's annual developer festival. It's a significant event where Google announces new products and technologies. In the script, Damian discusses his experiences and takeaways from attending the I/O event in San Francisco, highlighting the importance of the event in the tech community.

💡Project Starline

Project Starline is a technology demo that Damian mentions in the script. It's a 3D teleconferencing technology that aims to create a more immersive and realistic communication experience. Damian was initially skeptical but was impressed by the realistic interaction it provided, making it a central topic in his discussion about the innovations he encountered at I/O.

💡AI

AI stands for Artificial Intelligence. The script mentions that there was a significant focus on AI at the I/O event, which is a key area of development for Google. Damian expresses his interest in seeing how Google will incorporate AI into their product strategy moving forward, indicating the importance of AI in shaping the future of technology.

💡Swag

In the context of events like Google I/O, 'swag' refers to free promotional merchandise that is often given out. Damian mentions that his bag is full of swag, suggesting that he has collected a variety of branded items, which is a common practice at such conferences as a way to promote the company and its products.

💡Android 15 Beta 2

This refers to the second beta release of the Android 15 operating system. In the script, Damian discusses the new features and updates that came with this release, which includes private space and a redesigned sound menu. It's a significant topic as it represents the ongoing development and evolution of the Android platform.

💡Private Space

Private Space is a feature introduced in Android 15 Beta 2 that allows users to create a separate space on their device with its own set of apps and data. It's mentioned in the script as one of the new features that Damian finds interesting, highlighting the growing emphasis on privacy in technology.

💡AI Sandbox

The AI Sandbox is an area at the I/O event where Google showcases its new AI tools and technologies. Damian describes his experience with the AI Sandbox, particularly with an image generation tool that creates images from text prompts, emphasizing the creative and innovative applications of AI.

💡Pixel Feature Drops

Pixel Feature Drops refer to the periodic updates that Google releases for its Pixel devices, separate from the Android platform upgrades. In the script, Damian discusses how these feature drops are received by users and how they might affect the expectations for Android updates, indicating a shift in how Google delivers new features to its devices.

💡Penalty Shootout

In the context of the script, a 'penalty shootout' refers to a demo at the AI Sandbox where participants take soccer penalties against an AI system. Damian describes his experience with this demo, expressing both enjoyment and frustration with the scoring system, and it serves as an example of how AI can be applied to sports and gaming.

Highlights

Introduction to the 10th episode of the Pixelated podcast by Damian, who shares his experiences from the I/O conference in San Francisco.

Damian's initial skepticism towards Project Starline, Google's 3D conferencing technology, which later turned into pleasant surprise.

Project Starline's ability to create a realistic 3D presence of a person in the room using special camera technology and display.

The importance of high-resolution and 3D depth in creating a sense of real connection during virtual interactions.

Observations on the limitations of Project Starline, such as aliasing on the fringes and the current one-to-one application.

Potential applications of Project Starline in business, interviews, and language learning, despite current limitations.

The unexpected release of Android 15 beta 2 with a focus on privacy features and the lack of mention in the keynote.

Comparison of Android 15's private space feature to Samsung's locked folder and its potential use for an extra layer of privacy.

The redesigned sound menu in Android 15, which Damian considers his favorite addition.

Damian's disappointment with the lack of major UI changes in Android 15, reflecting on platform maturity.

The decoupling of Android updates from Google's Gemini system and its implications for device updates.

Damian's desire for more information on how AI will be integrated into Android and Google's product strategy.

The AI sandbox area at I/O showcasing Google's new tools, including an image generation tool from text prompts.

Ethical considerations and artistic value in using AI to generate images from existing bodies of work.

The penalty shootout tech demo using Pixel 8 Pro cameras and AI, which Damian found both fun and frustrating.

Damian's suggestion for Google to include a goalkeeper in their penalty shootout tech for more accurate analysis.

Reflections on the overall experience of I/O, including meeting fans and the desire for a meet and greet in the future.

Damian's closing thoughts on the 10th episode of the Pixelated podcast and his anticipation for future episodes with Abner.

Transcripts

hey there everyone it's Damian here

running solo this actually week for

pixelated episode 10 yes we've had 10

episodes of this podcast and I'm sat

here kind of licking my wounds from the

week at iio in San Francisco Airport

ready to head home and I've got some

thoughts yeah I wanted to share some

thoughts Abner sadly not with me right

now because he's actually heading home

himself but we've had a really busy week

some really announcements I wanted to go

over a few things I've experienced as a

first time IO attendee um my bag's full

of Swag I'm ready to head home and get

some rest and re

relaxation but there's a lot I say

there's a lot to talk about it's going

to be super quick one today just want to

give you some fun fun thoughts as well

but let me get into a couple of demos

that I saw while I was IO that might

have been talked about before you might

think you know a little bit about some

of these projects but one of those was

Project Starline I think it's Starline

it's

the tech that basically is like

conferencing Tech or 3D conference in

Tech and I went to go see this on day

one of iio straight after the keynote

keynote was really good fun it was a

little bit different I don't know what I

expected ahead of time obviously there's

a big huge focus with AI and that's kind

of cool I'm not really a huge AI person

and I'm really interested to see what

Google does with AI moving forward in

terms of their actual product straty y

but it was it was a funny one because

youve I've gone from that straight into

something that is more let's just say

mundane mundane is the way that I would

describe it Starline is one of those

things that ahead of time I'm going to

say I was a skeptic we've all done video

calls all on video conferencing software

it's just one of those disappointing

things where you look at it and you

think oh this is no fun we all do we all

do these and we use them and we think

that oh it's pretty plain it's pretty

boring there's nobody there that

nobody out there probably who cares that

much about using conference in Tech but

with that said I was pleasantly

surprised as a skeptic I was I was going

into this kind of blind in some respects

like like you IO sorry like me you

probably watched that MKBHD video of uh

him using it last year so the Tech's

been around for a little while but I

believe it has developed quite a bit in

the last 10 12 months effectively this

is conferencing software that places

somebody in the room with you in 3D

using display in uh special camera Tech

and it I believe someone has told me

that it it's a bit like the stereoscopic

3D that the 3DS used to use but at a

larger scale and at higher resolution

and when that was first revealed I just

speaking to one of the uh demo people uh

before going into a little private room

where I could see it

I got to say I think I didn't expect it

to feel as realistic as it did it

actually felt like I was sat across from

somebody and a lot of that is to do with

the high resolution a lot of that is to

do with the fact that the 3D depth

within a certain frame or Zone when the

person sat across from you it genuinely

feels like you're making contact with

someone it's not like when you do a

video call and you're looking into the

camera you look into probably another

tab another window looking at yourself

almost like see do you look like you're

paying attention or you might even open

another another tab or do something else

and just leave it on the background this

is

more I don't want to say interactive

interactive is not the way to describe

it it's more

like you're more like you're in them no

this is going to sound really really

weird but it is in the moment that's the

only way to describe it because you make

you genuinely make eye contact with that

person and when you made eye contact

with a person you you're having a proper

conversation you're having you're not

just talking to a screen it feels like

talking to a person and

while it is excellent I will say there

are some there are some little drawbacks

let me let me get into some of the

drawbacks when I looked closely as high

resolution as the screen is as good as a

3D is because it genuinely does at times

if you brain like you flick between is

this a person or is not a person it you

can actually see like aliasing on the

fringes of say someone's shirt someone's

hairline someone's their facial features

that said it's really sharp it's

ridiculously sharp in fact I don't know

what the actual resolution is I don't

know how you could even measure that in

a 3 3D image but it's like it's like

three so 3D TVs back in the day 3D TVs

you saw something on the the the Z or

the Zed axis and it felt like you were

looking into the TV so the 3D was behind

the screen and obviously this is in

front of the screen and the range of

motion that they have is with I think

it's within about a foot or a foot of

the screen itself so using the tech that

they have it basically they reach out to

you and one of the demos that they did

is they they picked up an apple and put

the Apple towards me and for a couple of

seconds I said I actually wanted to

throw it at the screen but that would

have been quite funny but they obviously

don't want to damage their own Tech but

if someone threw an apple you a duck I'm

genuinely think you were duck because it

does look CU it tracks it tracks any

object it's not like the it's just the

person like I'm sure you'll have seen

the demos of uh uh what's the I can't

remember Apple Vision Pro Apple Vision

Pro so Apple Vision Pro has those like

3D avatars that are really onc Val and

there just weird looking this is an

actual person just fully rendered fully

realized and the the real even the real

time Shadows were ridiculous and it just

helps sell it with the fact that there's

a slight curve in the display as well so

you get even more 3D

depth I I'm a skeptic so I was basically

look coming into it thinking this is

going to be terrible I'm not going to

enjoy this or I knew what to expect and

in the end I was ridiculously impressed

I was looking at it

thinking I was looking at ahead of time

like oh yeah it'll be fine it'll be

pretty cool but it won't be like this it

won't necessarily be I'm going stopping

short of saying groundbreaking but it

was one of yeah it was one of those

things that you have to see it to to

kind of understand it that said another

negative I don't necessarily know where

this is going to be applied is it going

to be applied in business and for now

it's only one to one cuz if you put two

people in the room in front of the

screen it messes with the the um the

image and obviously there's limitations

as well in terms of like it's quite a

big piece of Kit so it's not something

that you poent you could potentially

have it in the corner of your living

room but might be a little bit weird to

have something like this so it doesn't

seem to be like a consumer element right

now so where does it where does it end

up Does this does it go anywhere do we

have anything that is going to be really

developed

upon that's probably a question to POS

of the guys and I kind of did allude to

that I was like yeah it's cool but where

are you going with this I didn't really

get necessarily a complete answer but it

definitely seems like conference calling

is is the is the end goal but I would

liken it to going somewhere deliberately

and speaking to someone so my thought

process was say for instance you got

family that live abroad and you haven't

seen something someone in a long time

sure you can do a video call and a video

call is cool but it doesn't necessarily

give you that connection in the same way

and I felt like I was actually speaking

to a person across the room and I think

a lot of that was to do with the eye

contact I wasn't looking for a camera it

was like seamless I was looking directly

at them and the the tech did the

rest if we could get even like 20% of

that with Google meet I think it could

be a big step forward for video calling

and people would use it more because I'm

sure like me you hate I hate doing video

calls I hate conference calls

specifically because nobody's really

paying attention apart from one or two

people and you come away with it

thinking why why wasn't that an email I

think for businesses this might be a

good way to do it or even interviews I

could imagine it being quite useful for

interviews or practicing maybe learning

the language that kind of stuff so there

there's definitely some elements I'm

thinking it could be used for education

and business but away from shiny things

that are not necessarily

new we had Android 15 beta 2 which

dropped yesterday with absolutely zero

unfair no mention in the keynote which

was weird kind of strange there was a

little bit about Android but there

wasn't anything in depth this is a bit

of an odd release in some ways because

this is actually the biggest release

that we've had for two years in terms of

betas there's it had the most feature

set it had the most interesting new

addition for me in terms of private

space I don't know how I'll use it but

it felt a little bit like the it's very

similar to what Samsung has had for a

few years now it feels like the locked

folder but for your actual Android

device itself so all of the on device

apps and stuff so there's something

there for people who want an extra layer

of privacy what else did we get we had a

new the Reed redesigned uh sound menu

which was probably my out andout

favorite edition we needed something

there but in terms of the overall look

and feel it is businesses usual I know

we've talked about in this pod before

myself and ab that we probably hit

platform

maturity a long time ago pre even pre-

Android 10 I think visually there isn't

that much that's changed massively

there's a few little tweaks here and

there and it's more refinement again

there's no massive liquor paint there's

no house redesign as as it were and I

know a lot of people disappointed by

that and I as someone who cares about

Android UI and Android beta updates that

was disappointing I think if you temper

your expectations there's a lot here

that you can delve into we've done a

huge Deep dive I say huge Deep dive

we've done a fairly substantial dive

into over on the YouTube channel and if

you haven't already checked that out I

urge you to do so I'm suitably impressed

there's a few things that I think we're

going to see developers their beta

progresses hopefully we have a couple

more updates I know that usually per the

timeline we're looking maybe two more

releases it seems like this laid the

groundwork for the rest of the rest of

the preview phase before hopefully we

get Android 15 stable sometime around

August September ahead of pixel 9 Series

in in in the in the Autumn or in the

fall do I think this is worth it in

terms of for wait people who are waiting

for all these major changes maybe not

necessarily there is

um there's a lot of things that I would

consider minor and I know that some

people out there will be disappointed

because they're still waiting on Google

doing a major overhaul but I think since

material ERS has has they hit that point

and Google have just really really

tightening it up I'd like to see some or

I'd like to see how AI is going to be

integrated a bit more I know that Gemini

is is almost decoupled from Android as a

system and that means that we're going

to have and Android updates completely

separate from Gemini and Gemini can be

added to devices through Play Store

updates and stuff or play updates play

system updates that's great but it

doesn't necessarily mean a great deal to

most people if you're not using

Gemini I'd like to see I'd like to have

seen Google mentioned some things in the

keynote on how we're going to see it

integrated more into various system

sections there was some demos I know

Dave was on stage and I've got to say

what I've got to pose another question

what the heck happened to Dave's Irish

accent yeah I thought it was an American

stood up there uh from my seating I

don't know whether it was the audio

maybe I need to watch the live stream

back on I'm really intrigued to see what

happened to his Irish accent it seemed

to have disappeared strange yeah he he

gave some demos of some cool stuff but I

can't say that Android felt like a focus

point this year as much it felt like a

bit of a side note I know that the meme

is that and even Sundar alluded to it

that AI is is what where Google's headed

and I completely understand that but you

got to service your uh one of your core

audiences or your core business areas

Android's still huge it's a little bit

disappointing I know ahead of time we

had some conversations myself and ab and

you may have heard it on uh the previous

podcast that we what we hoped what we're

hoping for and I got to say some of

those uh some of my wishes were met some

of them have definitely have been left

hanging on those but all in all can't

seem too disappointed in the grand

scheme of things we finally had a big a

big beta we had some big beta energy and

we finally got to see some actual UI

tweaks because hey and 15 developer

preview felt like well I don't even know

what it felt like

but maybe there's some of that is due to

the fact that we're getting pixel

feature drops and Android feature drops

that are completely decoupled from from

platform upgrades so yeah we have a rod

for our own back a little bit I like

pixel feature drops I'm sure you like

pixel feature drops but at the end of

the day we can't expect both to be huge

when uh there's technically months

between releases so maybe some of these

things will get enveloped into a a bit

like we did saw last year QPR betas and

then when we're coming to talk about

and5 it's another little mini step I

won't be surprised if Google pulled that

once again but in terms of uh Android 15

beta 2 cool stuff you should definitely

try it on your phone it's really nice

and stable I'm running that on a couple

of devices pixel 8A pixel uh 8 as well I

haven't put it on my pro model yet CU I

want to see how it how it ages and how

it fares but pretty thumbs up pretty

thumbs up in terms of like usability and

stuff like that but maybe we'll see um

maybe we'll see Things Fall Apart over

the next few days I've only really had

had on my devices for about 24 hours

now what else did I see at iio that I

really want to talk about well we went

to the a there was an AI sandbox area

which is almost like just showcase some

of Google's new tools like their Imaging

image generation tool from text prompts

there uh all I think it's all music

effects library that that that has been

touted and used for a little while

genuinely impressive to see Tech where

you can take a line of Pros or a line of

text from Alice in Wonderland and turn

that into turn that into an image and

then turn that get get a playing get

like a printed playing card from that

put some of them on social media when I

speak to Kyle he he went through that

demo with me and we were messing around

with it and genuinely impressed with

that I thought that was really cool and

I mean I'm ethically I don't know where

I stand on that I think it's a little

bit weird to have things generated from

existing bodies of works and then is it

really art I'm not so sure the there was

another cool uh although I have a bones

pick actually with with Google's AI Tech

they had a penalty shootout thing they

had this penalty sh I don't I can't

remember what it was called it was like

pixel top bins or something so let me

set set the scene for you if you don't

know what penalty is in soccer football

basically there's a spot in this in in

one of the boxes in front of the goals

where if there's a foul committed in the

Box the opposition team gets a or the

attacking team gets a penalty and and

you take a shot with just you versus the

goalkeeper the person trying to stop the

goal and so Google have made this piece

of tech which uses pixel 8 Pro camera

systems in tandem with an AI tool that

generates and assesses how you take a

penalty right so I took six penalties at

this and I've got to say really

disappointed it scored you on three

Focus points so power

style and I think it was shot accuracy

and then it gave you a score out of uh

100 I think it was technically 99 I

think there was 100 if you could

complete it if that makes sense

so I'm not throwing shade at people here

but I definitely saw a lot of people who

I would say toe poked it and I'm not

criticizing I understand that soccer

football's not your national sport but a

lot of you Americans out there tow punt

the ball you kick it the kicking stances

are it's not a football stands yet I'm

seeing people getting high 80s for a big

toe pooke barely hitting the

target so I'm going in pretty pretty I

I'll say pissed off I'm I'm pretty

pissed off as someone who loves the art

form I went up struck a penalty bottom

left

corner no keep it keeping no chance

Manuel no is not saving that and that's

a reference from my friend Abner who is

a Bayern Munich fan by the

way I get

I'm thinking I've struck that nice looks

good on the still image pretty good STS

strike the ball knees knees level the

ball I know I'm getting inside baseball

here or Inside Soccer but I get a score

of 70 I'm absolutely livid how could I I

I remember I spoke to a couple of the

guys I was like how are you an analyzing

this but it was fun I got to say it was

fun um trying to beat your score hey

Google you can bring this to every

single event and I'll just go and smash

penalties all day I don't care about new

devices just let me take penalties all

day it was interesting to see that Tech

applied with existing Hardware as well

like seeing pixels in the top corners of

the of the uh of the goal I'm sadly I

didn't take any pictures though because

I too busy taking penalties but if um if

I have one of the guys who who did take

some images I'll get them to share them

on socials as well thought it was really

cool to see that applied in some sort of

real time way even though I'm I'm I'm

going to be honest I'm

completely uh what's the way to describe

it completely arguing with the data I

think the way they an analyze data is

completely wrong because realistically

if it goes in it's good penalty got rate

out of 99 if you score a goal who cares

at the end of the day there was no

goalkeeper though so maybe they should

put a goalkeeper on net and we'll start

analyzing penalties properly if anyone

out there is listening from Google get

back to me on that send me a DM send me

an email I'm going to thresh it out with

you and um maybe we'll sort out a

penalty shootout and I'll show you how

people really take a penalty yeah

overall um some really cool stuff really

enjoyed my time and if you have any

questions about iio if you've never

attended before you want to know some

stuff definitely drop me a message on

social media we got to see got to meet

some people who watch the channel listen

to the podcast genuinely that was

absolutely awesome that was humbling

it's cool to to meet and see people in

person it's not something we do all the

time so I absolutely loved every second

of that that was probably the best part

of the week meeting people who actually

pay attention to what we do and love

what we do I I want to do more of that

so maybe next year at iio we can have a

meet and

greet I'd love to do that that would be

absolutely awesome um yeah I don't

really have much more to say about iio I

might have some more thoughts next week

when we do a proper debrief myself and

Abner but overall it was I'm suitably

impressed really good really good event

it was really hot we should have put

more sun cream on but yeah that's enough

from me uh thanks for listening this is

episode 10 I can't believe we made it to

episode 10 so far and this is trust me

to end up with episode 10 as solo I'm

sat in the airport just waiting to go

home tired but really really happy uh

yeah thanks for listen to pick L episode

10 and I will uh yeah next time I speak

to you it will be the Abner back on the

pod