Title | Speaker | স্পিকার্স কর্ণার | হাইড পার্ক লন্ডন

Summary

The discussion delves into the concept of submission to one true God, highlighting the belief that figures like Abraham, Moses, and Jesus exemplified this notion, positioning them as 'Muslims' in a conceptual sense rather than a religious one. The participants explore the definition of Islam as a state of surrender, contrasting it with Christianity, which is centered on faith in Jesus. Throughout the dialogue, they grapple with the complexities of understanding the Trinity and the nature of God, emphasizing the distinction between creation and the Creator while defending their beliefs in a God that is both rational and beyond human comprehension.

Takeaways

• 😀 The discussion revolves around the definition of a 'Muslim' as someone who submits their will to the one true God.
• 🤔 The speaker argues that historical figures like Abraham and Moses were Muslims because they submitted to God's will.
• 📖 There is a distinction made between the concept of Islam and the specific religion established by Muhammad.
• ✝️ The conversation explores the Christian belief in Jesus Christ and the importance of submission to God within Christianity.
• 🔍 The participants debate the nature of God and the interpretation of Jesus as both divine and human.
• ⚖️ A significant point of contention is whether Jesus is fully God or part of God, illustrating different theological perspectives.
• 🌍 The analogy of atoms (protons, neutrons, and electrons) is used to explain the concept of the Trinity in Christianity.
• 🌞 Another analogy involving the sun is presented to illustrate the relationship between God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
• ❓ The idea that God can be a mystery is discussed, with an emphasis on the importance of reason and intellect in understanding divinity.
• 🍌 The conversation concludes with a rhetorical question about believing in a 'banana God,' highlighting the absurdity of idol worship compared to worshiping the one true God.

Q & A

What does it mean to be a 'Muslim' according to the conversation?

In this conversation, the term 'Muslim' is explained as someone who surrenders their will to the will of the one true God. It's a concept of submission, not necessarily tied to a formal religion, and transcends religious labels.

Does the concept of 'Muslim' apply only to Muhammad, as per the conversation?

No, the conversation clarifies that the concept of 'Muslim' applies to anyone who submits their will to the will of one true God. It is not exclusive to Muhammad, and even figures like Abraham, Moses, and Jesus are considered to have followed Islam in this sense.

What is the relationship between Abraham, Moses, and Islam in this conversation?

The speaker in the conversation argues that Abraham and Moses can be considered 'Muslims' because they submitted their will to the one true God. This submission is seen as the essence of Islam, not bound by time or the appearance of Muhammad.

How does the Christian interlocutor define their religion?

The Christian interlocutor defines their religion as Christianity, specifically as being a follower of Jesus Christ. They emphasize trust in Jesus Christ as the key to salvation, contrasting their belief from submission to the will of God as described in Islam.

What does the Christian interlocutor believe about Jesus Christ?

The Christian interlocutor believes that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. They also believe that Jesus is fully divine and a revelation of who God is, emphasizing the personal relationship with Jesus as the central aspect of their faith.

Why does the Muslim interlocutor argue that Jesus cannot be fully God?

The Muslim interlocutor argues that Jesus cannot be fully God because, in their view, God cannot be divided into parts. They question the Christian belief in the Trinity and argue that if Jesus were fully God, then God would not have another God to worship.

What analogy does the Christian interlocutor use to explain the Trinity?

The Christian interlocutor uses the analogy of atoms, which consist of three parts (proton, neutron, and electron), to explain the Trinity. They argue that just as these three parts are one atom, the three persons of God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) are one God.

What is the Muslim interlocutor's response to the analogy of the Trinity?

The Muslim interlocutor challenges the analogy, stating that it doesn't make sense to equate the concept of three persons in one God with something like atoms or the sun, as these analogies are not applicable to the divine nature of God.

How does the conversation address the idea of God being 'omnipresent'?

The conversation touches on the belief that God is omnipresent, with the Christian interlocutor arguing that God can fill the universe if He chooses to. The Muslim interlocutor, however, seems to reject the idea of God filling every part of creation in the same way, emphasizing the distinction between Creator and creation.

What is the ultimate point of disagreement between the interlocutors in the conversation?

The ultimate disagreement centers around the nature of God. The Christian interlocutor believes in the Trinity, with Jesus being fully God and the revelation of God on Earth. In contrast, the Muslim interlocutor rejects the idea of Jesus being God and emphasizes the concept of a singular, indivisible God who cannot have parts or divisions.

Outlines

00:00

🕌 Concept of Submission in Faith

The dialogue explores the idea of submission to the will of one true God, discussing whether figures like Jesus, Abraham, and Moses could be considered Muslims based on their willingness to submit. It emphasizes that being a Muslim is not strictly tied to the Prophet Muhammad but rather represents a broader concept of surrendering one's will to God. The participants debate the essence of religious identity, with one asserting that belief in one God equates to Islam, while the other identifies as a Christian, focusing on faith in Jesus Christ as a central tenet of Christianity. The conversation raises questions about the nature of God and Jesus' divinity, with implications on how different faiths perceive the relationship between God and Jesus.

05:01

🌌 Understanding the Nature of God

The discussion shifts to the nature of God, particularly focusing on the concept of the Trinity within Christianity. One participant attempts to illustrate the idea of three persons in one God through examples from nature, such as atoms and the sun. This metaphor serves to explain how God can be perceived as three distinct entities while remaining one essence. The conversation also touches on the misunderstanding surrounding the idea of God filling the universe, with implications on how creation is viewed in relation to God. The dialogue highlights the differences in belief systems and the challenges of articulating complex theological concepts, emphasizing that belief in God should be based on reason rather than blind faith.

Keywords

💡Submission

Submission refers to the act of yielding one's will to a higher authority. In the context of the video, submission is emphasized as a key concept in Islam, where individuals are encouraged to submit their wills to the one true God. The speaker suggests that figures like Abraham and Moses exemplified this concept of submission, linking it to the broader theme of faith and belief.

💡Muslim

A Muslim is defined as someone who submits their will to God. The discussion in the video revolves around the idea that being a Muslim is less about a specific religious identity and more about the act of submission to the divine will. This concept is illustrated through the speaker’s assertion that historical figures like Abraham and Moses were Muslims because they submitted to God.

💡Islam

Islam, in the video, is portrayed as a broader concept that predates the Prophet Muhammad. It is described as the state of submission to God. The speaker argues that Islam is not merely a religion established by Muhammad but a continuation of the faith practiced by earlier prophets, emphasizing a shared belief in one God worthy of worship.

💡Christianity

Christianity is presented as the belief system centered on Jesus Christ. The speaker claims that true Christianity involves a submission to God, paralleling it with the concept of Islam. This juxtaposition raises questions about the differences and similarities between the two faiths, particularly regarding the nature of worship and belief in God.

💡God

The term 'God' refers to the ultimate deity worthy of worship. Throughout the transcript, there is a discussion about the nature of God, including the belief that God does not worship another God, which is a point of contention in understanding the relationship between Jesus and God. The speaker insists on a monotheistic view that aligns with Islamic teachings.

💡Three in One

The phrase 'three in one' pertains to the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, which describes God as consisting of three persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. This concept is a central theme in the dialogue, as the speaker attempts to explain how this notion relates to the understanding of God in Christianity, contrasting it with Islamic teachings that emphasize a singular divine essence.

💡Revelation

Revelation in this context refers to the disclosure of divine truth or knowledge. The speaker describes Jesus as a revelation of who God is, suggesting that understanding Jesus is crucial to understanding God in Christianity. This perspective highlights the importance of Jesus in Christian belief as the embodiment of God's nature.

💡Faith

Faith refers to a deep trust and belief in God and spiritual truths. The conversation touches on how faith shapes one’s understanding of God, whether through the lens of Christianity or Islam. The speaker underscores the importance of faith in their arguments, illustrating how both belief systems encourage trust in God’s ultimate authority.

💡Nature of God

The nature of God is discussed in relation to God's omnipresence and essence. The dialogue challenges the notion of God being confined to physical locations, arguing that God is beyond creation. This concept is essential in contrasting the Christian understanding of God with Islamic theology, particularly regarding the attributes of God.

💡Intellect and Reason

Intellect and reason are highlighted as tools given by God to humans to understand the divine. The speaker argues against blind faith, suggesting that worship should be grounded in reason and understanding. This notion is reflected in the discussion about avoiding idolatry, such as the reference to a 'banana God,' emphasizing the need for logical reasoning in faith.

Highlights

The definition of a Muslim is presented as someone who submits their will to the one true God.

The interlocutor argues that Jesus submitted to God, thus fitting the definition of a Muslim.

Discussion of the concept that Islam predates Muhammad and is rooted in the submission of earlier prophets.

The speaker emphasizes that being a Muslim is more about a concept of submission rather than strictly a religion.

The debate explores whether Abraham and Moses can be considered Muslims based on their belief in one God.

The conversation questions the nature of God, particularly in the context of the Trinity and the identity of Jesus.

Analogies like atoms and the sun are used to explain the concept of three persons in one God.

There is a strong assertion that God does not have a God and does not worship another God.

The discussion includes the idea that if Jesus is God in the flesh, he must know the hearts of believers.

The speaker identifies a distinction between belief in Jesus and a mere state of submission to God.

The interlocutor insists that true belief involves submitting to God rather than just accepting Jesus as God.

The conversation highlights the importance of understanding personal beliefs in relation to religious identity.

There is a challenge regarding the logical coherence of the Trinity as three persons being fully God.

The speaker asserts that everything created is part of God's creation but not God himself.

The discussion ends without consensus, highlighting the complexities of theological debates.

Transcripts

will to the will of one true God okay

did Jesus do that he come to serve and

submitted yes he did so he submitted and

surrendered his will to the will of one

true God yes so he was a Muslim so he

must be a good Muslim as well right the

word Muslim is is it's about Muhammad

isn't it so so I can be a Christian to

be a Muslim we should not have this um

bad feelings about the word Muslim it's

the concept it's the concept a Muslim is

someone who surrenders and submits their

will to the will of one true God just to

verify so you reckon Abraham was a

Muslim yes so it's just a word that that

that says he has surrendered to the will

of God not word a concept a concept now

so now AR there nothing to do with

Muhammad was it Islam was before

Muhammad peace be upon Him Islam was

before Muhammad yes Islam Muslim was

before him he was the last Abraham and

Moses were Muslims what do you think

were they not Muslims did they not

surrender their will

if he used that good but it's it's a

concept concept it's not a religion it's

a concept Rel concept of a religion what

was the name of the religion of

Abraham

je what was the name of it's

religion what do mean what's the name of

your religion I'm a follow of Jesus

Christ Christianity what is the name of

the religion of prophet

Abraham isra Israelites that's not a

religion it's an ethnicity it's a racial

identity right right okay so to identify

a religion we to know what he believed

about God did he believe in one God yes

did he believe that that is the only one

God worthy of worship and no one else

Abraham

yes anyone who

believes in such a belief that belief to

believe in a god that is worthy of

worship and no one else this is Islam so

now you realize it's Muslim Islam one

who submits and surrenders is mhammad no

and let clarify again yeah it must be

the person mam is not part in in the

religion he's not part then I'm

clarifying to you this is new to you

perhaps the one who submits is a Muslim

and the state of submission is called

Islam so Abraham followed Islam Moses

followed Islam Jesus followed Islam why

don't you follow Islam like them and why

aren't you a Muslim like them nobody

follows a concept of

religion I'm talking about concept is

des sub their worship no state of

submission it's a concept like you said

it's a concept not a religion concept is

not you don't have a religion right you

don't have a religion my my my my trust

and belief you don't have a religion

correct I have a belief in Jesus Christ

my trust is in the belief and

trust that you should submit to God only

only that is called Islam I don't

believe Jesus is so you're a Christian

now Christianity Jesus Christ let me

clarify and answer your question

Christianity is not about a state of

submission to

Christ if that is Christianity you're

not even Christian you know why because

you are supposed to submit to who who

one true God one true God that's who

Jesus is Jesus is a revelation of who

God is Jesus submitted to God do you

think God knows my heart um can I ask

you a question I can ask you a question

can do you think God knows my heart God

does but not Jesus God do you think

Jesus knows my heart no well he was God

In the Flesh and if he is God In the

Flesh he does did Jesus say God knows

when I worship and when I worship Jesus

Christ who said I am the way the truth

the life the resurrection he said if you

believe in me not if you believe in God

very interesting even though you die you

shall live again no very interesting you

say that I put my trust in the one who

have seen right in history and that's

who I'm put my trust in nobody will ever

change my mind about who he is so that

so you proved to our self here in your

own way that Jesus is God so so if this

is the case if that is an argument for

Jesus is being God then you would agree

equally with me that God does not have a

God and does God doesn't worship another

God right do you agree do you agree God

does not have a God and God does not

worship ship another God do you

agree if you're God if you are God if

you were a God would you have a god of

course not because you are God yes s so

what do you mean so if you were a God

you would not worship another God right

because you are God there's no point

worshiping another God because there

won't be another God you be God it

depends no no no it depends God it

depends excuse let me explain before you

explain let me explain you've had your

little say no what I'm saying is let me

expl what I what I believe would God

have a God one step at a time cuz I must

explain what I believe did you

understand my question though yes I'm

what was my question I'm not I'm not

going to go on and get my question off

first of all which question just to

verify right which one if I believe that

Jesus if I believe in three and one

which I do believe three and one what I

believe well the same as everything

everything on planet Earth is three and

one no three what in one everything one

Adam is three in one or three gods in

one family one Adam one not three Gods

Not three gods three persons in one God

three gods in one family three gods in

one person the very same as everything

three gods in one person what is that

everything in nature sorry what what is

that three Gs in one person

understand you're going to keep talking

I'm not going to have this discussion

you must listen to what I believe and

did you listen to what I'm questioning

of course I have answered every question

what is the question you answer

questioned everything since the start if

if we're three if everything in nature

is three in one three what three in one

I don't get it explain three wat in one

wat let me explain let me explain every

atom is three and one three what in one

what three proton proton neutron

electron three aspects of one wa wait

wait wait wait wait so you have an atom

let me explain more I'll give you more

examples no I want to understand the

atom the atom three and one three proton

neutron electron is an atom that's it

one three and one nothing more God is

the same so God is three what what three

and one three what it's not three Gods

it's three persons in one God is each

person God they're all a revelation of

who God is so you identified God is

three person in one God you know what I

can't explain it you can because that's

what you're trying to explain to me no

I'm trying to give you an example of how

I understand it how I understand it I'll

give you another one before you go into

another one let me show you the Sun in

the sky uhhuh right you get heat and

light from it but you got the power of

the sun there heat is not light light is

not heat but it's three are1 understand

excellent think that's a good exp

excellent ex that's how I see God so now

let's understand your God so each person

are a

God yeah they are so is the son fully

God or part of God Ence yeah is the son

fully God or part of God Ence I'm asking

you a simple question speak to me in

English is the son fully God or part the

way I understand it no is he fully God

or not the way I understand go ahead

Jesus is a revelation of who God is is

the image of the invisible God is he

that's what we're told in the scripture

that's why I believe it when you say God

is he fully God or partly God he's the

image of God in any concept of God that

you have cannot be fully cannot be the

whole God so Jesus is not fully God he

cannot be the He's a Part God no because

God fills the universe you believe that

no God doesn't fill the universe no why

was God before the universe God can fill

the universe if he chooses to can he

he's God in the bathroom do you believe

he Spirit he's God in the bathroom in

your

intestines you know what I mean no I

don't is God in your

intestines and whatever comes out of it

in the sense that in the sense that

everything he created is his no that's

creation yes everything that he has

created is your jacket is your jacket

you everything that he has created look

is your jacket you I'm not going to

explain this anymore your jacket is not

you can't

I believe what the Bible say no you're

explaining quite

well you're explaining quite well your

jacket before you do that your jacket is

not you it's your jacket so the creation

is not God it's God's creation it

belongs to him so now let's go to back

to God let me each person each person

can you explain to me what this means

each person how can each person not be

fully God how can you be a part god what

doesn't make any sense I think do you

want to explain to him you know what i'

got to go go I'm not going to do this

right I'm not going to do it because I

have my belief I believe that God your

belief should be able to explain to the

others right no because God you can

believe in a banana God and then you say

it's a mystery God is a mystery if I ask

you what's the

difference all God right so I see three

and one I see Jesus the difference I see

Jesus as God In the Flesh okay what's

the difference between a Hindu I

worshiped you and your interested I'm

telling you what what's the difference

it's understandable you can't figure God

logically you believe blindly

have God can be why don't you believe in

a banana God he wants to be why don't

you believe in a banana God right

because it's a

mystery God has given us a reason for a

reason intellect for a reason right so

that we should avoid worshiping a banana

or a human being and so

on thank you oh I was scared that's