ENG Webinar Bandler 11 04 24

Summary

In this insightful interview, Dr. Richard Bandler, co-founder of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP), discusses the principles and applications of NLP. He explains how NLP originated from modeling successful behaviors and problem-solving, emphasizing the importance of understanding and replicating these patterns. Dr. Bandler shares his approach to working with clients, focusing on re-educating the brain and shifting perspectives to achieve desired outcomes. He also touches on the role of hypnosis in aligning conscious and unconscious programming, and offers practical advice on managing stress and anxiety by altering one's mental imagery. The conversation highlights the potential of NLP in personal development and the limitless possibilities it offers in various fields.

Takeaways

• 🌟 NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) was founded on the idea of modeling successful behavior rather than focusing on what goes wrong with people.
• 📚 The Meta Model developed by Grinder and Bandler in the 1970s is a linguistic model that maps how people speak intuitively, not grammatically.
• 🧠 NLP views the human brain as a tool that can be re-educated and re-programmed to achieve success in various fields, from sports to business.
• 🤝 Dr. Richard Bandler's approach to therapy involves understanding the client's 'map of the world' and how it may need to be adjusted or expanded.
• 📖 In his book 'Legacy of the Master', Bandler explains how to model successful problem-solving and apply it to various aspects of life.
• 🌐 Bandler emphasizes the importance of changing one's internal representations (images, sounds, feelings) to change external behavior and outcomes.
• 🚫 He counters the idea that people are 'broken' or have 'pathologies', instead focusing on their capabilities and potential for growth.
• 🧘 Hypnosis is described as a sophisticated form of concentration that can align conscious and unconscious programming for better outcomes.
• 🌈 Bandler encourages individuals to take control of their happiness by deliberately deciding to engage in activities happily and with a sense of purpose.
• 🔍 The future of NLP is seen as boundless, with new discoveries and applications yet to be uncovered as the understanding of the human brain evolves.

Q & A

What is the fundamental concept behind Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP)?

The fundamental concept of NLP is based on the idea of modeling successful behavior and then teaching others to replicate that success. It was founded with the belief that it's more effective to understand what successful people do and educate others to do the same, rather than focusing on what goes wrong with people.

Who co-hosted the event with Alexandra MOA and what is her relation to Richard Bandler?

Roberta Lior Chia, also known as Robbie, co-hosted the event with Alexandra MOA. She has a close professional relationship with Richard Bandler, as they both are involved in teaching and promoting NLP.

What is the Meta Model developed by Richard Bandler and John Grinder?

The Meta Model is a linguistic model developed by Richard Bandler and John Grinder in the 1970s. It serves as a map of the brain, illustrating how people speak and understand language intuitively rather than grammatically. It forms the basis for NLP, focusing on how people successfully communicate and solve problems.

How does Richard Bandler approach working with clients who have been given up on by others?

Richard Bandler approaches such clients by not viewing their conditions as pathologies but instead trying to understand how their minds work. He believes that if one mind can achieve something, another can learn to do the same. He applies this understanding to teach skills and strategies that lead to success.

What are Richard Bandler's rules of thumb when working with clients?

Bandler's rules of thumb involve not looking at clients' issues as pathologies but as systems that work in certain ways. He emphasizes understanding and learning from clients' strategies, whether they are successful or symptomatic, and adapting these strategies to produce better outcomes.

How does Richard Bandler describe the process of teaching people with learning disabilities to spell?

Bandler describes the process as teaching these individuals to make mental pictures of words and encode them in a way that allows them to recall the words. By doing so, they are no longer relying on phonetics, which is not effective for English, and can improve their spelling abilities.

What is the role of hypnosis in Richard Bandler's work with clients?

Hypnosis in Bandler's work is a sophisticated form of concentration that aligns conscious and unconscious programming. It helps stabilize brain wave patterns and enables clients to reach deeper states of relaxation, which can be beneficial for controlling physiological responses and changing mental states.

How does Richard Bandler address stress and anxiety?

Bandler addresses stress and anxiety by suggesting that one should change the way they think about potentially stressful situations. This involves reducing the size and intensity of negative mental images associated with these situations, thereby altering the emotional response and reducing stress.

What is Richard Bandler's perspective on happiness?

Bandler views happiness as an adverb related to actions rather than a place to arrive at. He emphasizes that being happy is a decision and a skill that can be practiced. He believes that having friends, a purpose, and doing things on purpose are key to happiness.

How does Richard Bandler propose to help people with conditions like fibromyalgia?

Bandler suggests that conditions like fibromyalgia, characterized by excessive neuronal firing, can be managed through techniques like hypnosis. This involves learning to control one's neurology, relaxation, and blood pressure, among other physiological responses, to alleviate symptoms.

What is the concept of 'terrorizing' in the context of NLP?

In the context of NLP, 'terrorizing' refers to the process of expanding an individual's mental map to include new territories or concepts that were previously unrepresented. This helps individuals to build new understandings and strategies, allowing them to adapt and improve in various aspects of their lives.

Outlines

00:00

🎤 Introduction and Welcome

The video begins with a warm welcome from the co-hosts, Alexandra MOA and Roberta (Robbie), who express their pleasure in hosting the event. They introduce the special guest, Dr. Richard Bendler, and engage him in conversation. Dr. Bendler is welcomed to unmute himself and begins discussing his work in NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming), providing a brief overview of its origins and the Meta model developed by John Grinder and himself. He emphasizes the focus on modeling successful problem-solving and therapeutic approaches, and how these methods can be applied across various fields, including sports and business.

05:02

🧠 Rules of Thumb in NLP

Dr. Bendler delves deeper into the rules of thumb he follows when working with clients. He explains the importance of understanding how the mind works and how to map it effectively. He discusses the need to differentiate between whether a person's issue is due to a lack of a mental map or if their existing map is unproductive. He shares his experiences in teaching and learning from individuals with specific skills, emphasizing the value of modeling success rather than focusing on pathology.

10:02

🌟 Attitude and Approach in NLP

The conversation shifts to the attitude central to NLP, with Dr. Bendler explaining that it's not about fixing things but rather about redirecting the brain's processes. He uses the example of PTSD to illustrate how the brain's mechanisms can be reoriented to focus on positive memories instead of traumatic ones. The discussion also touches on the importance of understanding and utilizing one's own abilities and aiming them in the right direction for personal growth and development.

15:04

🧘 Dealing with Stress and Anxiety

Addressing the common issues of stress and anxiety, Dr. Bendler shares his approach to managing these feelings. He talks about the impact of mental imagery on emotions and provides a technique to shrink and desaturate distressing images to reduce their emotional impact. He emphasizes the importance of stopping the loops of stress-inducing thoughts and offers a method to break these cycles, which he has applied effectively with individuals from various backgrounds, including Holocaust survivors.

20:06

💬 Hypnosis and its Role in NLP

Dr. Bendler discusses the role of hypnosis in NLP, clarifying that it is a sophisticated form of concentration that aligns conscious and unconscious programming. He explains how hypnosis can stabilize brainwave patterns and the various states of hypnosis and meditation. He also talks about the vast potential of the brain and how most people do not take full advantage of it, often running the same patterns without exploring new possibilities.

25:07

😄 The Concept of Happiness

The conversation turns to the concept of happiness, with Dr. Bendler sharing his perspective that happiness is not a destination but an adverb linked to actions. He emphasizes the need for deliberate planning and decision-making to incorporate happiness into daily activities. He also discusses the importance of having friends, a purpose, and doing things on purpose to achieve happiness. Dr. Bendler mentions his book 'The Secrets of Being Happy' and the idea that happiness is a skill that can be learned and practiced.

30:08

🤕 Healing and NLP

Dr. Bendler addresses the question of healing and the potential of NLP in this area. He discusses the condition of fibromyalgia and how the overfiring of neurons can be managed through techniques like hypnosis. He explains that the brain can be trained to control its signals and that hypnosis is an effective method for achieving deep relaxation and controlling physiological responses. Dr. Bendler also talks about the concept of re-education and how it applies to various aspects of personal development.

35:09

🎓 Learning from Milton and Advancing NLP

Dr. Bendler reflects on his experience learning from Milton Erickson and how he has advanced the practice of hypnosis and NLP. He discusses the initial reluctance of Erickson to teach hypnosis due to concerns over misuse. Dr. Bendler shares his own approach of relentless learning and teaching, leading to the development of multiple generations of hypnotists. He emphasizes the importance of teaching people to use hypnosis as a skill and the potential for progress when more people are equipped with these techniques.

40:10

🚀 The Future of NLP

Looking forward, Dr. Bendler discusses the future of NLP and the endless possibilities it holds. He emphasizes that there is still much to discover and learn, not just in NLP but in all fields. He talks about the evolution of technology and how it has changed over time, using the example of cell phones and space flight. Dr. Bendler expresses his excitement for the future and the potential for NLP to adapt and grow, helping people to better understand and utilize their brain's capabilities.

45:13

🌍 Upcoming Seminar and NLP's Potential

The conversation concludes with a mention of an upcoming seminar in Italy where Dr. Bendler will be teaching advanced NLP techniques. He talks about the concept of 'terrorizing' in NLP, which involves expanding one's mental map to include new territory and ideas. He encourages the audience to embrace the learning of NLP as a set of tools that can greatly enhance their quality of life and offers a hopeful outlook on the potential for personal growth and development through NLP.

🎶 Closing Remarks

The video script ends with final words of gratitude from the co-hosts and Dr. Bendler. They express their appreciation for the audience's participation and look forward to future engagements. The co-hosts and Dr. Bendler exchange warm goodbyes, and the event concludes with a musical note, signifying the end of the session.

Keywords

💡NLP

NLP, or Neuro-Linguistic Programming, is a psychological approach that involves analyzing strategies used by successful individuals and applying them to others. In the video, Dr. Richard Bandler explains that NLP was founded on the idea of modeling successful behavior rather than focusing on what went wrong with people. It involves understanding how people intuitively use language and developing problem-solving tools based on this understanding.

💡Modeling

Modeling in the context of the video refers to the process of understanding and replicating the behaviors and strategies of successful individuals. Dr. Bandler emphasizes the importance of modeling as a key aspect of NLP, where one can learn from the successful actions of others and apply these learnings to improve one's own skills or outcomes.

💡Problem Solving

Problem solving is a central theme in NLP, which involves developing methods to tackle challenges effectively. Dr. Bandler explains that the tools developed in NLP, such as the Meta model, were initially thought to be for modeling successful therapy but were actually found to be effective for successful problem solving.

💡Hypnosis

Hypnosis is described in the video as a sophisticated form of concentration that can align conscious and unconscious programming. Dr. Bandler uses hypnosis to help individuals achieve a state where they can control their brain wave patterns, blood pressure, and other physiological responses, which can be beneficial for managing conditions like fibromyalgia.

💡Belief

Belief in the video is discussed as something that individuals engage in, rather than a static concept. Dr. Bandler emphasizes that everyone has beliefs, which can be useful or not, and that NLP can help individuals align their beliefs with their conscious desires and actions.

💡Happiness

Happiness, as discussed in the video, is viewed as an adverb describing how one does something, rather than a place to arrive at. Dr. Bandler suggests that being happy is a decision and a skill that can be practiced, and that having friends, a purpose, and doing things on purpose are key to happiness.

💡Stress

Stress in the video is portrayed as a result of certain thinking patterns that produce negative pictures in one's mind. Dr. Bandler offers techniques to manage stress by changing the way individuals think about potentially stressful situations, such as by reducing the size of negative images in their minds.

💡Learning Strategies

Learning strategies refer to the methods and approaches individuals use to acquire new skills or knowledge. Dr. Bandler highlights the importance of having effective learning strategies, as lacking them can hinder one's ability to succeed in various areas, such as playing an instrument or creating art.

💡Communication

Communication is a vital aspect discussed in the video, especially in the context of space flight and precision in language use. Effective communication can prevent misunderstandings and ensure that messages are clearly and accurately conveyed, which is crucial when lives are at stake.

💡Territorizing

Territorizing is a term coined by Dr. Bandler to describe the process of expanding one's mental map to include new understandings or representations of the world. It involves creating new 'territory' within one's mental model to better adapt and respond to experiences and challenges.

Highlights

Introduction of Dr. Richard Bandler, co-creator of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP), as a special guest.

Definition of NLP as a model developed in the 1970s based on understanding how people speak intuitively and the structure of the brain.

Explanation of the Meta model as a linguistic model that maps how people understand language and the concept of natural language.

Discussion on how NLP was used as a problem-solving tool and its application in various fields such as sports, business, and therapy.

Emphasis on the importance of modeling success rather than pathology and learning from people's skills and strategies.

Description of Dr. Bandler's approach to working with clients by understanding their internal maps and how they represent their world.

Explanation of how to re-educate the brain to change unproductive patterns of thinking and behavior.

Discussion on the role of hypnosis in aligning conscious and unconscious programming for better outcomes.

Insight on how to deal with anxiety and stress by controlling the size and intensity of the images in one's mind.

Dr. Bandler's perspective on happiness as an adverb and the importance of deliberate choices and actions in cultivating happiness.

The concept of 'terrorizing' as a process of expanding one's mental map to include new territory and experiences.

The impact of NLP on various fields and its potential for future development and application.

Dr. Bandler's method of teaching clients how to re-orient their thinking and build new strategies for success.

The importance of changing one's internal representations and the impact on external capabilities and achievements.

The role of NLP in helping individuals overcome challenges such as post-traumatic stress disorder and learning disabilities.

Dr. Bandler's upcoming seminar in Italy focusing on advanced master practitioner skills in NLP.

Encouragement for new NLP practitioners to embark on their journey and utilize NLP tools for a better quality of life.

Transcripts

[Music]

welcome

everybody C Chia

Beno so it's a great pleasure to see you

all here tonight for this really special

night with a really special guest so

before we start first of all my name is

Alexandra MOA I'm gonna be the co-host

of this evening together with Roberta

liori chiao Robbie hello Rober am here

hi everyone it's a great pleasure to see

all of you so welcome everybody okay uh

make sure your audio is muted so on the

left corner on down just make sure it's

muted and your camera on because

actually we can see you and we can see

your face here in front of us so it's

going to be excited and it's going to be

exciting actually and uh so we are ready

to start uh that's all from me so let's

rock and roll and ladies and gentlemen

welcome Dr Richard

bendler hello Richard you can unmute

yourself am I unmuted now yes we can

hear

you hello Richard first of all thank you

so much for for being here with us it's

a great pleasure great honor and I think

it's going to be a great session great

evening so we have a lot of interesting

question for you especially based on

your last book but before going there

and since there are a good amount of new

bees H I'd like to start by asking you

um to give us a brief description of NLP

brief definition of NLP nuring

linguistic programming itself was

founded out of the idea that it was

something that made more sense to figure

out what people did successfully and

re-educate others to do it rather than

to figure out what went wrong with

people and try to understand it uh in a

nutshell uh we developed John grinder

and myself back in the uh

1970s a model called The Meta model

which is a linguistic model that was a

map of the brain and what how people

spoke language intuitively not

grammatically uh grammarians don't talk

about natural language linguists do no

matter where you're born on the face of

the Earth you intuitively learn a

language and you intuitively understand

whether or not it's a well-formed

sentence or not so it's kind of like a

map of the unconscious n chsky developed

this and we took the same model and

applied it and built a tool that was

basically a problem solving tool and uh

in my book problem solving I actually go

through and explain that we did

something more than we thought we time

we thought we were modeling successful

therapy but we were actually modeling

successful problem solving and we've

used that tool to develop all kinds of

ways of being able to represent what

people do consciously and unconsciously

in their thinking that uh makes them

more skilled at

I work with professional athletes I I

work with business people I work with

every kind of patient that was given up

on by

everybody yeah so in a nutshell

basically we found ways of modeling

success so that if somebody got over a

phobia we could model how they did it

and teach other people how to do it as

well yes yes the great so I have here in

my hands actually your uh most recent uh

most recent book okay Legacy of the

master and personally I think it's uh

really a great book because basically

you explain how you think when you work

with clients and uh in the first chapter

you talk about the rules of T and uh I

would like to you know for you to give

us the idea and what what is which are

your rules of thumb when you work with

clients well actually I have quite a few

but uh to start with rule of thumb is an

idiom in English it may not translate

that well but it's basically the basic

ideas I use to guide my behavior I have

54 years of seeing clients and and most

of which had been given up on by

everybody and the reason I was so

successful with them is I never looked

at it as a pathology I always tried to

understand how it worked because if one

mind can do something another mind could

do the same thing so even when people

had quote symptomatic Behavior Uh as a

rule of thumb I tried to learn how to do

it from them as if it was a skill and uh

that's see you can either go into the

past and make sense out of why somebody

has a problem or you can think of the

problem as a successful learning that's

not particularly productive and try to

learn how it works so that you know

where to change it because the second

rule of thumb is to make a decision

about whether or not people have a map

in their mind uh uh which does some

things and doesn't do others and if that

map has something in it that's where

it's represented in the map but it's not

productive you go about it differently

than if it's just something for which

they have no map whatsoever you know so

if people don't know how to spell and

you know I worked a lot with learning

disabled children and they had no map

about how to spell they had been taught

to spell phonetically which can't even

be spelled phonetically in English it

might be in other languages I noticed in

Ireland that a phone book started with

an f and uh a phone booth said f n and

in America it's a pH I I have no idea

where the hell that came from but it's

not phonetic English isn't a phonetic

Lang language you have to be able to

make pictures of words and encode them

so that you can pull them back up and

when we taught kids to do that that were

supposed to be pathologically learning

disabled they were able to and it wasn't

that they they were mapping the

territory wrong they just weren't

mapping it at all uh you go to school

and most people are never taught

anything about memorizing but yet

they're expected to do it for years um

just one of those things uh with me with

clients one of my rules of them is to be

able to do what they're doing and the

other one is to be able to figure out

whether or not I have to build something

new or go in and reorient something

that's already there um some people

motivate themselves with one thing but

they can't motivate themselves with

something else they got a good

motivation strategy but it doesn't work

for everything so they may need a new

strategy my rule of thumb is to try to

understand what's being mapped what's

not being mapped and what's being mapped

incorrectly and uh if I can understand

that then knowing what to do next is a

lot

easier absolutely and uh you worked a

lot in the Learning System so in the

school I remember you talking about you

know finding people that actually know

how to do something and then understand

how they do it and um teach it to the

different persons different people yeah

a lot of times we have people teaching

things that can't even do them which is

odd enough in America in the textbooks

you know even for the first second third

and fourth grade they put the answers in

the teachers book but not in the

students book so they have all these

problems but they make sure the teacher

isn't going to get the wrong answer

because they have no faith that the

teacher knows how to do it in the first

place and some do and some don't and it

you know if you don't know how to do

something teaching other people how to

think about it is very difficult so when

we wanted to teach spelling we went out

and found people who won spelling bees

and found out how they were thinking uh

when I was hired by a baseball team to

improve the batting average of people I

took the guy who had the highest batting

average and found out how he thought

about hitting the ball how he prepared

for it at what he practiced and

rehearsed in his mind and taught people

to do the same kind of thing that he did

and it increased their batting average

overall across the team because if if

you change the way people think it

changes how they feel and therefore it

changes what they're capable of doing

and that's the real Foundation of all

NLP is to know how to change how

somebody's think and the best way to go

about that is to find people who are

successful at something and repeat it we

have seem to have lost the

signal no no we're we're good we're good

oh okay because I'm frozen on the screen

there's nothing worse than seeing

yourself

Frozen no you we we can hear you and we

can we can see you actually perfectly

okay well that's good I'll just ignore

the screen it do I don't really like

looking at myself while I talk anyway

I'm usually not in the audience you're

right otherwise it would be a problem um

that's very interesting because actually

NLP you you defin you you you gave the

definition of NLP by it's like first of

all an attitude and that's one of the

most important

thing so by the way this is a very

interesting part because as Richard was

telling uh MLP first of all is an

attitude it's an attitude of you know we

don't want to fix things but actually

people have in their brain machines that

actually work but they work in a wrong

direction many times so people for

example that suffer of post-traumatic

stress disorder and they can Rel a

particular trauma or something like that

actually they have a great machine to

you know stay and go in and get back to

that memory so the machine is perfect to

get the memory back but instead of

relieving a traumatic or stress

situation you can aim it in another

Direction so that actually you can enjoy

for example beautiful moment of the past

instead of the worst one and this I

think is one of the best uh the best um

gift that working with Richard for a lot

of years I understood and I learned and

it's watching and seeing the people in

front of me as a um not broken but

actually they can do something they can

really do something but is just aimed in

a wrong direction and so my work is

taking maybe that's particular strategy

because it works many times and then

turn it and aim it in a different

direction so that well where actually

people can do something different let me

know if so uh Robbie let's get back my

turn it's my turn your it's my turn so I

got a question coming from the fact that

uh in the last few years um many more

people struggle every day with the

Stress and

Anxiety so how do you deal with anxiety

uh uncertainty and the fear of the

future well I mean it's it's the same

way you deal with everything if you

think a certain way it produces stress

uh most of the time people have pictures

that are too big whether they're

constructed horrible things that might

happen or memories of bad things that

did happen if you have big horrible

pictures in your head they're going to

make you feel bad and if they're too

close they're going to make you feel

worse so I have a tendency whatever it

is people think about to put a border

around it shrink it down to the size of

a postage stamp and blink it black and

white for a while because neurologically

what happens is is people go into Loops

it's spins around until it habituates

and then a few minutes later they make

the same pictures and do the same things

so that they have you know endless

ability to feel stress about a whole

wide variety of things but what they

don't practice doing is stopping it and

this will stop it like that uh I use it

I use it with all kinds of stuff and I'm

talking about people that have very

traumatic pasts you know Holocaust

victims horrible things and I imagine

all these new Wars are going to bring on

a whole new level of this uh you know in

this country there are so many veterans

that are homeless and suffering from

post-traumatic stress it's ridiculous

especially when the technology exists to

do something about it it's just not

widespread enough so that's why I'm

talking to all you people you got to get

out there and get people to relax a

little bit this world is just way too

tense and people are way too upset about

all kinds of silly things that they

don't need to

be yeah yeah sure and again when you

change the way you think you change the

way you feel therefore you can change

everything you can do I love this and

other question for you uh Richard uh

hypnosis let's talk about hypnosis

hypnosis has a big role in your work

with clients so hypnosis is a fancy word

for for really sophisticated

concentration if you concentrate in the

right way

it it it stabilizes your brain wave

patterns and uh there are as many states

of hypnosis and meditation as you could

possibly imagine the brain you know is

is an incredibly marvelous device where

you have billions and billions and

billions of neurons each talking to 10

to 100 others and numerically there are

as many neurons in your brain as there

are stars in the sky and there are

actually that at least that we know of

right now 11 levels of this going on

simultaneously so the number of things

that we could think you know the

possibility for the brain is Limitless

as Limitless as the universe itself and

uh most people don't take advantage of

that they learn a pattern in their brain

and they just keep running it and

running it and running it some of those

are good and some of those are not so

good sure son if you if I ask you what

what which is the most

effective H

technique you use with your client with

it hypnosis hypnosis what would you say

well I I use hypnosis to line up

conscious and unconscious programming

because there's always going to be

unconscious programming and it needs to

go in the same direction as your

conscious desires which means sometimes

I change the conscious desires and

sometimes I change the unconscious

programming and sometimes s both so that

at least they're all headed in the same

direction the conscious mind is like a

flashlight in a dark room and it only

Shines on what it's shining on and that

doesn't mean that the room isn't full of

other things and if you know if you

don't look where you're going you're

going to trip over something there's a

reason why in a car the rear view mirror

is smaller than the windshield and

that's because you should spend a lot

less time looking at where you've been

and a lot more time looking at where

you're going

yeah it's a smart smart decision Al yes

um I I read some questions in the chat

Richard and one first one I think one is

great because it's from two 10 years old

boy and they ask how can be how how can

we be more happy and I know you have a

particular idea of the happy thing about

happiness things well how can we be more

happy is that what you said yes okay

well to begin with most people most

people think of Happiness as a place you

go or arrive at rather than it it's

actually not even a verb it's an adverb

one happily does this or happily does

that and if you're going to spend more

of your day happily doing things then

you need to have some good planning you

need to be able to see yourself being

more cheerful because whether you're

cheerful and happy is a decision it's

not a result you don't end up Suddenly

being happy you know uh people keep

waiting for the outside world to make

them happy and you C you know you can

happily watch television you can happily

jog you can happily lift weights uh you

know you can happily look at a flower uh

you can happily smile at your children

you can happily do anything but you need

to decide to do it that way and practice

it because it's a skill people when I

wrote the book The Secrets of being

happy the big secret is that you need to

have friends a purpose and you need to

do it on purpose that you need to

deliberately decide I'm going to spend

this amount of time doing this and I'm

going to do it happily as opposed to

taking a deep breath sighing and going

oh I have to wash the dishes there's no

reason why you can't do it cheerfully uh

you know no reason under the vastness of

this universe you know if you want your

dishes clean you might as cheerfully do

it if you're going to walk to work then

you might as well cheerfully do it and

there's no reason not to and people keep

waiting for the outside to make them

happy rather than being happy and

enjoying and having gratitude good Lord

we have the whole universe to live in

since the beginning of time 13 billion

years it took to get to the point where

this planet was livable and we evolved

on it and now we're looking at the stars

figuring out how to go there we're not

in the universe we're not separate for

the universe we're part of the whole

evolutionary process since the beginning

of time and that should make us feel

important that should make us feel like

there's something more important to do

than beat each other up Rob each other

and fight endless Wars about nonsense uh

we should make our life important

instead of trying to tell everybody else

how to live and the best way to do that

is to happily do the things you have to

do and the more cheerful you are the

more cheerful people around you will be

you'll it it seems to be

contagious that's great absolutely um

there are a lot of questions here in the

chat for you Richard and there are a lot

um with health about health and uh um

basically some some of some people ask

for example if we can heal uh from fab

fabrio fabrio

mealia or we can you know improve what

I'm sorry I didn't understand the word

falia I don't know what that means oh I

probably I don't pronounce it well um

that that could be or I don't know the

word that's the other

possibility did you say fibromyalgia or

did you say correct oh yeah well you

didn't pronounce it properly but that

doesn't matter I guessed I'm a good

guesser yeah the truth is we have no

idea the limits of our own healing and

fibromyalgia is where you got too many

neurons firing too often about too many

things and uh that's why people feel

pain all over the place and uh learning

to control your neurology hypnosis is

one of the best ways to go about that

that's why I've used it for so long

you can get people into deep states of

relaxation and you can control their

plane their BL blood pressure their

heart rate all kinds of things you know

it's not going to shoot plaque outside

of your arteries but it is going to make

your your blood pressure more

controllable and uh if you can learn to

relax muscles and turn signals off and

turn them on I try to hypnotize people

with fibromyalgia and get one arm to be

full of it and the other one not and

then reverse them so that their brain

can learn because everything needs an

onoff button and when when you have

chaotic brain signals firing off they

can look at these on MRIs and see it

going on in the brain and the fact that

they can see it there doesn't mean that

it can't be stopped it means it probably

can because we can control our brain

wave patterns people have been doing it

with meditation and hypnosis for

centuries and centuries and centuries

becoming a highly skilled hypnoti

is always going to make everything

easier for you whether you're working

medically or you're working on yourself

or you're working with patients

especially people you know with I get a

lot of people to come in that have quote

psychological difficulties or they're

striving for greater successed and

whether they're trying to optimize

themselves or repair something I still

look at it all as re-education it's all

about re-education you re-educate the

way somebody thinks how they have

control over their states of cons

Consciousness and uh you'll do better

absolutely um there are you talk about

hypnosis and many people still think

which I know still think that hypnosis

you know from the from the movies you

swing movie started this centuries ago

that's why Milton was so reticent to

teach anybody that wasn't a doctor or a

dentist or a

psychologist and uh he actually didn't

want to talk to us but we didn't really

give a

choice you went there Relentless

Relentless Relentless yes I'm I'm

incredibly Relentless and you know I

mean the very first thing he asked us to

do when we walked in the door was to

write down all of our

credentials uh you know in this little

book and I opened the book and it was Dr

so and so graduate and you know

Psychiatry that you know from the

University of this and I read all those

things down and I wrote California

driver

license

1962 you know and I wrote down every

credential I'd ever gotten for anything

I had a fishing license I had all kinds

of

stuff yeah actually think that was funny

by the way he got very grumpy after

that yeah you have actually the the

great privilege to work with Milton

Ericson and and and and learn from him

how he was doing hypnosis but then you

uh you you went you went ahead and you

did a different thing or you you

complete his work um

well understand that most of the people

doing any kind of hypnosis or

Psychotherapy or Psychiatry at the time

had certain rules they had rules that

they gotten from Sigman Freud that you

know you were supposed to look for what

caused problems and then understand what

caused problems and then miraculously

the problem was supposed to disappear

they they also had this thing that you

were supposed to do everything

unconsciously what they call intuitively

but intuitions have rules that rule

govern behavior and they can be learned

and we knew this because we were

scientists and uh you know grinder was a

linguist you know I was a mathematician

and we understand that these are

learnable skills that people aren't born

knowing algebra you know there's not an

algebra Gene anymore than there's a

music Gene and uh that you know that we

you learn things you practice them and

you acquire skill and if you have the

right strategies you'll do well if you

apply yourself relentlessly you'll do

even better and uh with hypnosis and

with all things that have been learned

since the beginning of time hopefully

the people that learn take them further

than the people that taught them that's

called progress and by modeling what he

was doing unconsciously and teaching

people to do it on purpose and to learn

those skills on purpose we've been able

to create a generation of hypnotists

actually several Generations in my case

I think the third I've had grandchildren

come and and get PRACK courses and tell

me their grandfather went to my PRACK

courses you know it's one things about

being around a long time you know you I

had somebody come up and show me a

picture of them when they were like five

sitting on my knee and go you know going

you know my grandfather came and then my

father brought me and now I'm back and

I'm going good

multi-generations but by teaching more

people to be able to use hypnosis as a

skill then more problems get solved and

and and more wonderful things happen

when I get a major league athlete or you

know you know a Class A athlete who

comes to me and he's gone into a slump I

don't just try to bring him out of the

slump I tried him to do better than he's

ever done before in his entire life life

I raised the bar it's you know they

always come to me and go can you get me

out of my slump and I'm going I'm going

you know I said why would you want to

get out of your slump wouldn't you want

to be go around it and instead of dragg

yourself by the bootstrap slowly out of

a slump wouldn't you rather start off in

a whole new place where you're better

than you ever were and I remember

telling a picture one time in the major

league pitcher I said now I want you to

see yourself throwing a better pitch

than you've ever thrown in your entire

life something new something different

something you know outstanding you know

and see yourself do it

repeatedly and you know and he looked at

me shocked and said nobody's ever asked

me to do that and I said well everything

comes from imagination you know people

didn't start out throwing

curveballs uh you know that somebody had

to learn to do it and then teach other

people to do it that's how progress

comes along I took the skills I got from

Milton and used them as the Foundation

to be able to teach myself greater skill

and also to teach others because when

you build a calculus the way we do of

somebody's unconscious Behavior you're

able to compute things that they would

have done had they stumbled across them

or lived to be

300 absolutely uh and I love the way you

use hypnosis because many people fear

hypnosis are afraid because they think

actually you give control to somebody

else but actually it's the opposite you

gain control of yourself and I think

people when they're hypnotized can do

things that they can't do normally they

get access because so to speak they step

out of their own

way that to me you know hypnosis is a

reciprocal process by which I try to

build a feed forward Loop between myself

and the

person not a feedb loop I don't want to

tell them where they've been I want to

give them a target of where they want to

go and sometimes I do it by showing them

and uh sometimes I do it by explaining

to them what they can do in their mind

to change ideas and understandings and

build new targets so that they can line

up their unconscious desires and

programming with their conscious desires

and their conscious beliefs so that

everything's headed in the same

direction without disruption and people

can surprise themselves and and it

happens all the time in my work uh in in

every kind of field you could think of

neurolinguistic programming is unique in

that it's metadisciplinary it's about

other fields we can help a baseball

player to do well a race car driver to

do well and a physicist to do well and

an engineer to do better you know

anybody who because everybody has a

brain and everybody is using it and it

works for some things and not for others

and when you can tell the difference

between those things then you can help

people to exceed their own expectations

and there's nothing better than

surprising

yourself absolutely um there are uh some

some qu you just mentioned it but there

were many questions about belief and how

to change belief or if belief let's put

it this way it's about believing it's

not a belief a belief is a thing that's

a noun and believing is something

something you engage in and everybody

has their own way of believing things

and uh some of what they believe is very

useful and some of it isn't everybody

believes the sun's coming up tomorrow

whether they say it out loud or not or

they wouldn't be planning ahead you know

that would be ridiculous uh remember a

Buddhist telling me one time you know

that he had given up all of his beliefs

and his ego and then two minutes later

he told me that he had to leave because

he had to go to the monastery because

meditation was at 3:00 and I'm going

well if you didn't believe that was true

then you wouldn't be thinking about it

or going there or planning you know uh

that you know sometimes you know the

application of beliefs that somebody

comes up with a good idea and then

people begin distorting it into nonsense

you know and you know that's true about

everything you can't even believe some

of the things I've heard about NLP and

myself let alone that you know that are

just nonsense you know that you know if

you get people to repeatedly look in a c

same direction they'll get smarter you

know and you know that's not what AA Inc

tells you what people are doing it

doesn't mean that if you do it more

often you get smarter you get smarter by

changing the way you think about certain

things by making some things bigger some

things closer some things about the

future seeing yourself in some things

and not others and the way in which you

organize possibility of

thought control how well you're going to

function yeah definitely yes um some

people is asking how we can with NLP

skills how we can make it so that we can

create a long-term result instead of

getting back to the old habit so

somebody says you know sometimes you get

back to all habits how can you actually

make it that stays the change can stay

because when you work with people

actually they change they change and the

change stays how can you do that how do

you do that well I always do that yeah I

don't I don't I don't change anything so

it could go back and I make sure believe

me I try to put it back you know I even

I you know I'll even tell people how to

put it back if they want to yeah I saw

that that the idea is that you know the

reason people go back to bad behaviors

is that they haven't made what they've

changed more important than what they

were doing in the past in a nutshell and

this is done with the size of images and

especially seeing yourself in the future

succeeding and Desiring it more than

whatever your bad habit is smoking drugs

you know all kind of stupid ass thing

worrying you know when when I work with

people one of the first things I always

ask them about is how you spend the

currency of living the currency of

living is how you spend your time in

English you even people go how did you

spend your day yesterday you know have

you got a few minutes to spare like

their coins and you know there are lots

of idioms in English that that that have

this kind of talk about it but the

currency is how you spend your moments

and if you spend three minutes here and

two minutes there and five minutes there

worrying about something it adds up when

you start to calculating it out to where

it's 30 minutes or an hour a day good

God it's 365 hours in a year 3,000 10

years and four years it's 15,000 hours

you know and that's your plan for the

future if you're going to keep reliving

bad memories and you know and worrying

about things that you can't do anything

about you know I mean you know I hear

there are people out protesting in the

streets in America you know bugging

politicians about things that they have

absolutely no control over you know and

you know and and you can see how

distraught they are they're distraught

about things that they really don't even

understand you know my favorite one is

when somebody came up and said to

somebody they go that they were going

from The River To The Sea and they asked

what river and they couldn't answer the

question I mean you couldn't be more

stupid if you ask me if you're going to

you know scream and yell and be stressed

out about something something you should

at least know what it is and you know

and if you do know what it is then you

should probably think about something

else and you wouldn't be all stressed

and upset uh you know it's it's it's

like you know you can refine the ability

to be happy but you can resign refine

the ability to be unhappy as well and

worrying and reliving bad memories is

one of the best ways to go about that

and I like to get people to add up all

the time they spend on whatever their

problem is is and then I asked them you

know I go so in the next you know 40

years or 20 years you're going to spend

10,000 hours doing this and I always

look at them and go does that sound

smart and I have as yet and I've never

had anybody look at me and go yes not

one 54 years and not one person that

said yes yeah because it's a big no um I

I love I I remember when I first start U

Learning NLP that I loved the fact that

there were tools onto how to do

something instead of what to do so many

people always told me what to do but

then I didn't know how to do it and

that's why I didn't do it not because I

didn't want yeah lots of people will

tell you to stop worrying but they don't

tell you how to do it lots of people

tell you to get over your fear but they

don't tell you how to do it and uh you

know the magic is all in the how and

your your ability to change the way you

think is what controls how you feel

there is an overlap between the cortexes

in the brain between the one that

creates your feelings and the the ones

that create pictures in your mind and

the thing that create sound these

cortexes overlap about 40% 30 to 40%

depending on the person and they're all

connected to the connection between your

intestines your Hollow and solid organs

which is called your inmic nervous

system the inmic nervous system comes up

through the old brain and is represented

on the kinesthetic cortex and otherwise

you wouldn't know you were having

feelings and when those feelings are

influenced because there's an ambiguity

in your brain neurologically between

pictures and and feelings and sounds and

feelings so if you're talking to

yourself in a stressed voice it's going

to distort these things and you're going

to have more stress uh you have to learn

how to talk to and how to make pictures

so that you become more productive as a

human being so that you can manifest in

this world and have a a more important

purpose than worrying about the past and

Fring over the future absolutely uh I

have future Al sorry the future there

are some interesting questions about the

future of NLP so someone is asking is

everything already discovered what do

you thing the future the answer to that

is no yeah and that's not just true

about NLP that's true about everything

uh yes we don't know everything NLP has

only been around as long as I have and

even less than that you know I started

this about 54 years ago uh astrology has

a 20,000 year database so they have a

lot more information about astrology

than we do about the human nervous

system and neurology was in its infancy

when I started there were no MRIs then

you know I mean the best you had was an

EEG which is like a microphone over New

York City you know they're not very

specific now we have functional MRIs we

can watch the brain changing we have

people with electron microscopes you

know going through and looking at brain

matter and I read everything theologists

do most of it is not applicable for me

but I read it all because every once in

a while I find something wonderful

and uh these are dedicated hardworking

scientists trying to understand how the

brain works I'm not only want to know

how it works I want to know how to use

it and uh that's where NLP comes in it's

all about purpose and uh there are

purposes that haven't even arrived yet

just to start with uh you know there are

a lot of people have problem with cell

phones when I started there weren't any

we would never have expected that you

could have a computer and a phone in

your pocket

but like everything else it changes over

time when I started out telephones and

wait enough you could kill somebody and

now you can't even Dent them uh you know

it's a different time and there's going

to be new Innovations in the world and

the universe is going to change

eventually we'll figure out how to get

into outer space and do all kinds of

wonderful things there I imagine that

will be long after I'm gone but there

will be neural linguistic programmers

that will have to deal with things part

of the reason I worked with people at

Nasa I didn't work at Nasa but I did

work with a lot of people at Nasa was

because you know space flight created

problems in communication you have to be

very careful what you say when there are

people in an in outer space there was an

example where they the astronaut

something went wrong with the uh life

support system and you know the guy on

the radio said you know there's

something wrong with your life support

system and there's nothing you can do

about it what he really meant is is

we're going to fix it from down here but

he didn't say that and of course their

heart rates went wild and you know you

know they're thinking they're going to

die and he's thinking you know that he

said to them sit back and relax we're

going to take care of it but that's not

what he said you have to be very precise

about what you say when people's lives

are at stake you

know yes yeah absolutely Robbie do you

have any other question or I go with the

last one I think you can go with the

last one okay so so we can leave Richard

um Richard

um actually there is a word that I've

learned from you in the last few years

which is a particular word I don't know

if it exists in English but it makes

sense when we are talking in our word

and this word is

terrorizing and because in the seminar

you're going to do at the end of May

here in Italy uh we is going to be an

advanced Master practice ier and you

will start from there can you define

start with when when I come there this

is a a really nice seminar to do because

it gives me a chance to teach and talk

about things I don't normally get to but

the idea is uh of NLP is that you have a

map which represents your understanding

of the world and some things are inside

it and some things are not when I wrote

the structure of magic back in

1973 uh uh I I laid out three universals

of human modeling in order to build a

model in your head to begin with it has

to be smaller than the world and

therefore you have to distort it in some

way and once you've distorted it down

they're going to be some things you

represent and some you haven't and some

that you make similar and some you keep

separate and we call this generalizing

and when I laid these three things out

uh I got tons of letters from people

going you know there there was no

documentation of where they came from

and where they came from was logic uh I

just made them up because I wanted to be

able to describe the difference between

what was represented in your map of the

world and what was not and uh when when

you when your understanding of the world

doesn't include a lot of stuff then

sometimes it needs to and we refer to

this as building new territory because

you know the old adage you know from

corsky is that the map is not the

territory well yeah but sometimes you

need to build new territory and that's

why I made up the word

terrorizing and that some people you

know you go in and you adjust what's in

their map so that it works better and

some people you have to get them to

represent new territory so you have to

give them a machine that represents what

doesn't get represented by the machines

in their mind because all of these

little programs we talk about motivation

programs decision strategies learning

strategies you know if you don't have a

good learning strategy for an instrument

you'll never play music if you don't

have a good strategy for art or 50

different strategies for art you'll

never create good things and uh you know

this is true about everything so

sometimes you have to have a machine in

your head that will build new territory

in your map you know because a lot of

people generalize that because when they

were young and they were abused that

that they're always going to be abused

and that you know a lot of times they're

taught to believe that that abuse means

that they can never have intimate

relationships with people and that they

can never relax or they can never enjoy

life because this happened to them and

that's just a fallacy of of thinking you

know the fact that things happened in

the past means that they happened in the

past best thing about the past is that

it's over and you need to make it that

way and then build new territory

so that you can learn to appreciate and

be grateful for what the universe has to

offer which is literally

Limitless love it I love it and I love

that the fact that this is going to be

our starting point at the end of May

when you will come back to Italy to

teach this Advanced Master practitioner

of NLP uh I I love it so much I hope uh

everybody enjoyed tonight Richard thank

you thank you thank you so much for uh

thank you for having me and I'm sorry I

Disappeared for a

while do apologize but the computer beat

me

up back it wouldn't let me in so I had

to leave again and come back

again we we made it we made it I love

you so much I I look forward to see you

here in one month and a half and uh I

hope I'm really looking forward to it

Italy is beautiful it has great food and

the people are always lovely and so I

look forward to seeing you all there yep

and for the new bees uh let's start your

in your your your Voyage in NLP because

I think it's a great set of tools that

will allow you to have a great quality

of life what do you think

Richard okay thank you thank you so much

thank you thank you thank you so much

thank you thank you everybody for being

here for tonight see you soon bye-bye

thank you

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