Accelerated Learning With Tom Gellie
Summary
TLDRIn this insightful presentation, Tom Gelly shares his experiences and research on accelerated learning, specifically in the context of skiing. He emphasizes the importance of embracing struggle as a part of the learning process and suggests spending 70% of practice time in the challenge zone, just outside one's comfort zone. Gelly also highlights the value of focusing on small, incremental improvements and the use of video feedback for self-assessment. His approach aims to help skiers and others not only improve their skills but also develop habits that lead to continuous progress and mastery.
Takeaways
- ๐ Embrace the struggle - Recognize that feeling challenged is a sign you're in the right place for improvement.
- ๐ Optimize practice time - Allocate 70% of your practice to skills just outside your current ability, the 'challenge zone'.
- ๐ Focus on small improvements - Aim for 1% gains that add up over time, leading to significant progress.
- ๐ฅ Use video feedback - Regularly record yourself to track progress and ensure you're honing in on the right areas.
- ๐คธโโ๏ธ Emphasize drills - Drills are essential for exaggerating aspects of a skill, making them more noticeable and improvable.
- ๐ง Understand the brain's role - Struggling primes the brain with chemicals that aid in problem-solving and learning.
- ๐ Set realistic expectations - Aiming for a 4% increase in difficulty can be an effective sweet spot for challenge without overwhelm.
- ๐ข Find flow state - Engage in activities that require focus and challenge to enter a state of flow, enhancing learning and performance.
- ๐ค Reflect on progress - Take time to reflect on the small victories and improvements made during practice.
- ๐ Focus on intrinsic feedback - Encourage self-assessment and internal motivation rather than relying solely on external validation.
Q & A
What is the main focus of Tom Gelly's presentation?
-The main focus of Tom Gelly's presentation is on accelerated learning and improving skiing skills based on his personal experiences and research.
What type of instructor is Tom Gelly?
-Tom Gelly is a level 4 instructor and owns a company called Big Picture Skiing, which teaches people how to ski and improve their skills online.
Why is it important to struggle when trying to improve at something?
-Struggling is important because it indicates that you are challenging yourself and pushing beyond your current abilities. This primes the brain with chemicals that help with problem-solving and leads to growth and improvement.
What is the ideal time split for practice according to the script?
-The ideal time split for practice is to spend 10% on warming up, 70% on challenging skills just outside of your current ability, and 20% in your comfort zone.
How can drills help with skill improvement?
-Drills are helpful because they exaggerate certain aspects of a skill, allowing for a more focused and intense practice that challenges normal physical ranges of movement and timing.
What is the significance of the 4% challenge zone in skill acquisition?
-The 4% challenge zone is significant because it represents a small enough increase in difficulty to stimulate curiosity and novelty without being too overwhelming, making it an effective target for accelerated learning.
Why is focusing on one specific skill for a season beneficial?
-Focusing on one specific skill for a season helps to develop a habit of improvement, making it easier to consistently work on that skill and track progress over time.
How can taking a break to do something within your comfort zone help with learning?
-Doing something within your comfort zone after struggling with a challenging task allows the brain to release chemicals that aid learning and block critical thinking, making it easier to return to the challenge and perform better.
What is the role of video recording in the learning process?
-Video recording is a valuable tool for self-assessment and tracking progress. It allows individuals to see what they are actually doing compared to what they think they are doing, and to focus on small improvements over time.
How can expectations influence the learning process?
-Expectations can greatly influence the learning process by setting the mindset for small, incremental improvements. By aiming for 1% gains, individuals can feel a sense of progress without being overwhelmed by the overall goal.
Outlines
๐ Introduction to Accelerated Learning in Skiing
Tom Gelly introduces the concept of accelerated learning in skiing, drawing from personal experiences and research. He emphasizes the importance of focusing on the learning process, minimizing distractions, and the rewarding nature of improvement. As a level 4 instructor and owner of Big Picture Skiing, Tom shares his insights on creating habits for progress not only in the current season but also for future development. He sets the stage for the presentation by discussing his background in skiing and teaching, and his collaboration with James Compton to share valuable learning strategies.
๐ฏ Optimal Time Allocation for Skill Acquisition
The paragraph discusses the ideal split of practice time for accelerated learning. Tom suggests spending only 10-30% of the time warming up and 70% in the challenge zone, pushing the boundaries of current abilities. He explains that this approach is counterintuitive to common practice, where most people tend to spend the majority of their time in their comfort zone. The importance of challenge through drills is highlighted, as they exaggerate skills and movements, leading to better focus and improvement. Tom references the idea of a '7% challenge' from a Cirque du Soleil performer and relates it to skiing, emphasizing the value of pushing just outside one's comfort zone for significant progress.
๐ The Power of Novelty and Focus in Learning
Tom explores the concept of making learning novel and interesting to maintain focus and maximize practice time. He advises against getting distracted and emphasizes the importance of being in a 'flow state' for effective learning. The idea of taking one good idea from a training clinic and focusing on it without interruption is suggested. Tom also discusses the importance of managing expectations and looking for small, incremental improvements. He uses the example of the British cycling team's success at the London Olympics, achieved by focusing on many small, 1% improvements.
๐ฅ The Role of Video Feedback in Skill Development
In this section, Tom advocates for the use of video feedback as a tool for tracking progress and identifying small improvements. He encourages individuals to video themselves to compare and contrast their performance over time, focusing on specific aspects of their skiing. The example of an online student is provided to illustrate how subtle changes can be noticeable and affirming. Tom emphasizes the importance of building habits through focused practice, challenging oneself, and making small but consistent improvements over time.
๐ Balancing Challenge and Comfort for Effective Practice
Tom advises on balancing challenge and comfort during practice sessions. He suggests spending the majority of practice time pushing oneself with challenging tasks and reserving a smaller portion for returning to familiar, comfortable activities. This approach is likened to a flow state, where struggling leads to a release of brain chemicals that aid problem-solving and learning. The idea of taking a break to do something within one's comfort zone before returning to a challenge is presented as a strategy to enhance learning and get into a flow state. Tom reiterates the importance of not staying within the comfort zone and encourages pushing oneself to achieve growth.
๐ค Reflecting on Learning Strategies and Personal Takeaways
The group discusses their reflections on Tom's presentation, sharing personal takeaways and how they plan to apply the strategies to their skiing and teaching. The importance of dedicating time to improvement, finding a balance between performance, development, and cruising, and the value of uninterrupted focus are highlighted. The conversation touches on the role of external and internal feedback, the benefits of focusing on one key area of improvement per season, and the idea of setting up intrinsic feedback loops to accelerate learning.
๐ Applying the Learning Formula for Skill Mastery
The discussion concludes with a focus on applying the learning strategies consistently. The concept of dedicating a season to mastering one specific skill is emphasized, and the idea of using the season as an opportunity to develop a habit of improvement is shared. The group members express their intentions to implement the strategies discussed, and there's an agreement on the value of the insights provided. The conversation ends with a reflection on the importance of struggling with a skill and then returning to something enjoyable as a method for achieving breakthroughs in learning and skill mastery.
Mindmap
Keywords
๐กAccelerated Learning
๐กStruggle
๐กFlow State
๐กChallenge Zone
๐กDrills
๐กNovelty
๐กFocus
๐กOne Percent Improvements
๐กVideo Feedback
๐กHabits
Highlights
Tom Gelly shares his experiences and research on accelerated learning in skiing.
The importance of focusing on improving skiing skills and eliminating distractions during practice.
The value of understanding that struggle is a part of the learning process.
The concept of spending 70% of practice time in the challenge zone for accelerated skill acquisition.
The effectiveness of drills in exaggerating skills and pushing the challenge zone.
The idea of making practice novel and interesting to maintain focus and enhance learning.
The importance of videoing oneself to track and see small improvements in skiing.
The concept of one percent improvements adding up over time.
The suggestion to focus on one key area of improvement per season.
The benefits of taking breaks and returning to challenging tasks with a refreshed mind.
The role of internal feedback loops in accelerating learning.
The impact of external feedback on motivation and the need for a balance.
The idea of setting up situations where learners can receive self-perpetuated feedback.
The concept of flow state and how to achieve it through a balance of challenge and comfort zone practice.
The importance of habit formation in skill development and the application to seasonal learning.
Transcripts
hi I'm Tom gelly and you're about to
watch a presentation on accelerated
learning and it's based on my own
experiences as well as research I've
done to help me improve my own skiing
and others all around the world
I'm a level 4 instructor I own big
picture skiing which is a company that
teaches people how to ski and improve
skiing online and so much of this stuff
is really important
so I want you to write down some notes
turn off your phone get rid of any
distractions because what you're about
to hear isn't very long but it's really
important
because if the thrill of getting better
with your skiing and whatever you do is
so rewarding and so if you want to
continue doing that over and over again
I suggest you listen to the key points
try it out this winter and if you uh do
well with it you're going to create a
habit that not only just gets you
through this winter with some progress
but then is repeatable for future
Seasons Beyond this one
so I hope you enjoy this and you get
something out of it and it helps
accelerate your learning and your
progression in your own scheme season
2023 coming up in Australia
and James Compton and I I said to him
hey James would you be interested in me
presenting some
information around learning and things
that I myself have kind of found have
helped over the years and of recent
with not only my own skiing but others
and so that's the that's kind of the
context of this and I really hope that
listening to this watching this you walk
away
with some ideas on
what to do this season to help your own
skiing improve and others
a quick brief history
and you might understand why this is in
I'm putting it in here but basically I
started Alpine skiing when I was 22
years old
and so I did a bit of cross-country
skiing growing up but skiing was you
know I didn't do racing or anything like
that so I came to it later in life but
really fell in love with it
and then you know not too long after uh
2009 I got my level four
Alpine certificate so sort of over this
course of sort of eight back to back
Winters
I ended up with my full cert and then
was headed to um into ski a couple of
years later for for Telemark skiing and
so I say that because
um that's definitely you know from what
I've unders understand like a fairly
fast journey in
taking a sport and really improving my
skills at it and not only my own skills
but the ability to teach
so with that aside I'm going to just
give you some things that I think uh
personally I've found helped help to
understand and help to actually action
as well as what some really smart people
in the world have figured out in terms
of learning and uh might even talk a
little bit about about Flow State
but the first thing to realize is like
getting better most of it feels like a
struggle like that's a really important
thing to get up front because I think
you talk to any great athlete great
business person whatever it wasn't all
Easy Street to get there in fact like
usually far from it so
first of all you just want to understand
this is a good thing
say you're you're in the middle of the
season and you're trying to work on
something or you're trying to work on
something with another person and it
feels like a struggle it means you're in
the right place okay
um and
like when we are struggling with
something it actually primes the brain
with chemicals to help us problem solve
so
getting in that space gets you the the
juice is Flowing so when you're sort of
agitated annoyed struggling
these are good things that
um will lead perhaps not right in that
moment but will lead to something
changing uh soon after
so with that
um if if struggling is kind of important
and and that's just part of the process
something I found out more recently in
terms of practice or training is that
most people don't spend
their time as wise as they should for
for Accelerated learning and faster
skill acquisition
so with this chart
uh this is this is showing what is more
an ideal split up of your time of
practice so say you have
um the morning three hours
you want to warm up so get things moving
but only spend 10 of those say three
hours or two and a half hours doing that
okay so get get things moving then you
want to actually get get into this 70
challenge Zone
um so yeah spend 70 of your time with
skills that are just outside of your
current sort of ability
okay and I'll get into what like how far
out of your current comfort zone you
need to get for it to be in this in this
challenge Zone and it's not much but you
want to spend most of the time
challenging yourself in the deep end for
one of a sort of a better phrase
and then in this in this time you want
to spend the last bit of it sort of more
back in your comfort zone so 20 of the
time in your comfort zone and what it
seems to be is people spend
they do it Opposite they'll warm up for
Temps at a time and then they'll spend
70 of their time in the comfort zone and
then at the end of that or somewhere in
there they'll go oh I'll just challenge
myself a little bit oh that was pretty
hard and then come back into the comfort
zone that's not where
the learning really happens and back to
like struggling you in this in this area
here you don't usually struggle but so
many people go oh I can do a short turn
down Ballroom pretty well I'll go there
and I'll just you know because that's
that's my comfort zone I can I can work
on it in in that space instead of
perhaps going well I actually really
don't like doing it down high noon that
that bottom bit
and and spending yeah most of your time
doing that so this is like a really
important thing to first uh like get
wrap your head around and it comes from
like one of the guys that basically
talks about this he is one of a handful
of people that can juggle about 13
things in the air at once so he was in
the Cirque du Soleil and the way he
approached getting better at stuff was
seven percent of his time challenging
his uh his skills
so in in skiing since we're all left
skiing
a great way to kind of challenge
yourself spend time in the challenge
zone is drills
and you know a lot of the time we give
drills to students if we're teaching
them but very often we don't do enough
drills ourselves and drills are great
because they exaggerate things
like say this in rigor drill here
exaggerating like edge angle flexion of
the inside leg to really big degree more
than you know perhaps a normal physical
range of movement you're going through
um perhaps going at a slower pace so
changing the timing of how you're
usually
receiving things cool yeah so drills are
great for exaggerating all these uh
different things
um sometimes it might be facing your
fear of like skiing on one one ski
but
outside of that this 70 of the time
spent in this challenging zone of what
you're doing
you don't have to do it in terms of like
like I said the exact the example of
Ballroom so an easier blue run versus
the harder blue run like High Noon you
don't have to do something that's really
like scary difficult or scary
challenging okay that's one one thing it
could just be actually slowing it like
right down so even
the challenging you rushing things so
you do it's really detailed slow snow
plows trying to work on turning your leg
or something like that but but the the
uh the main message here is get out of
your comfort zone
do more time
uh spent bit doing that stuff and I
think personally drills are uh some of
the best
so there's there's all you really need
to challenge yourself
um based on some research to
like get yourself uh stimulated and to
put yourself in the in that challenging
your skill uh sort of level and it's
really small
like not much
um which is kind of nice to know you
don't have to be
right like going that much faster or you
know changing things that much to really
get a benefit
and accelerate things
so I like this number and I even think
about it in terms of just my general
life
um because like like in terms of
business like if I've got to take on
something if it's like four percent out
of my kind of comfort zone of what I'm
currently doing if my business or
somewhere around there
I go that's that's uh that's that's good
that's going to challenge how I
currently do things and I'm okay with
that so it's kind of like this cool
number to um to think about so that's
all you need to do to uh to reap some
benefits there
because what it does that that four
percent often is it it sort of Peaks
your curiosity and makes the
experience kind of novel
so this is like a frame grab from me
doing some retraction extension turns
um in SilverStar in fact Luke I don't
know he might have even filmed this one
um now like retraction extension turns
I'm I'm way low in the transition than I
do for for normal turns especially for
the speed I was going not that fast
and so I was exaggerating things and
it's it's definitely like really
absorbing
when you do that when you are
exaggerating things and doing them in a
different way that challenges what you
normally habitually do you become
curious and and what's going on
um so that was a really bad spelling
mistake there but uh yeah make things
novel because this keeps you focused and
that's one thing that people talk about
like all the time in terms of learning
something you've got to be focused so
like right now
have you you know looking at your
computer screen not having your phone on
you know screen facing up like those
sorts of things this day and age it's so
easy to get distracted and lose focus
uh being a training group and your
friend starts talking to you all those
sorts of sorts of things get in the way
of like creating a flow state
and being able to really maximize your
practice time and get better at
something
so keywords I'll just say here is like
like like this make it novel
make it interesting so you're curious
with what you're doing
key part in uh in working on learning
something and and especially for guests
too right thinking because I'm also
talking about this in terms of teaching
like don't just repeat the same hold
same old like
because it'll come across to the person
as
um like they'll sense that so keep
things interesting for for them too and
it only has to be four percent you're
not trying to put people in scary
situations that sort of thing just just
a little bit how do they comfort zone
so I thought it's worth import uh it's
worth bringing up uh like training so
training clinics
trying is important to go and do but
it's also important to practice without
interruption and so
I guess I'm speaking to people here who
are chronic
um like training Clinic junkies and they
think more training clinics equals I'm
going to get better and listen to more
and more different people I'm going to
get better that's not necessarily but
true or in a condensed period such as
this upcoming ski season
uh if you you'd be better off kind of
finding someone that you gel with or one
person even if you don't if they give
you just one good idea
taking that idea going away and working
on it yourself
without interruption because you know
myself running clinics
there's you know there's all these
people coming along so I've got to sort
of change and think about it has this
guy's got something out of it has this
guy has this girl got something out of
it I need to constantly sort of maybe
change the message that that might have
worked well for him but not for her
but but if you're a clinic junkie you
tend to like get distracted and keep
thinking the next thing that's going to
be said
is the most important thing so you kind
of keep discarding ideas instead of
taking one going away and working on it
so
putting that in there just to remember
yeah it just uh can throw you off your
um your practice and improvements in the
season
this one is uh is super cool and I think
really important to
um keep in mind it's got to do with
expectations
like one percent improvements in
whatever you're doing add up pretty fast
and so how might that look so you go out
you're working on your short turns and
out of that whole so maybe you know hour
or even half an hour you go out before
before work
you feel like
you know
half of half of uh one run out of six
runs was half you know good you felt the
thing that you needed to feel that is
all you need to know you're improving
so many people come back and focus on
the the negatives
and the things that didn't go well and
then they still keep focusing on on
those areas and that they're not getting
better faster because you're comparing
yourself to other people and if you look
at video for example and you know the
video is hard because hard to make
things look really different habits are
hard to break but if you can see a one
percent Improvement
in a video or you know out of a whole
entire time you've got some uh some
changes that's all you need because it
adds up
and I think there's a good story the
British cycling team for example before
the London Olympics they had a new team
manager coach and they basically worked
on all these one percent things
like the materials that they were making
their uniforms out of getting everyone
really properly set up on their bikes
like everyone on the same
eating plant sleeping plan when they'd
go away on camps they'd bring their own
pillows like all these like small things
that seemingly unrelated to these one
percenters added to them totally kicking
our ass in uh in the Olympics
so one percent improvements add up
that's all you're really looking for
which to take some kind of uh pressure
off yourself
so on that I don't think enough people
video themselves
make sure you take time find a video
partner someone that you can trade uh
you know phone videos with because no
one's got an excuse anymore everyone's
got a got a phone so you can video
yourself so make sure you get out there
and do this because
you know what you think you're doing
versus what's happening in reality often
are really different that's one and then
two
you want to be able to kind of track and
see the one percenters perhaps you you
go out there and you're working on your
arm position your pole plants whatever
it is your stance
and that's the one thing you're trying
to do when you watch video and you focus
just on that compared to the last time
you did it
with the video you're more likely to be
able to capture say that one percent
that time when you did get it right
and so you can focus on it so make sure
you video yourself
so this is just one of my on online
students from this this season and it's
probably three or four days apart
and this is before a drill gave him so
he's working on this up and over drill
uh in between the two shots and you know
pretty much the same point past the
camera yes that's a bit blurry but you
can see this this subtle change which he
felt as ginormous change
um is visible and um so you know he was
he he felt it we can see it it's kind of
measurable these things all help lead to
you like like a confirmation of yes
I'm going to keep doing this process
what got me from here to here I spent
you know an hour each day doing this
drill really focusing on the key
elements that make it a success and then
I did a free ski run it looked like that
because you're trying to build
like if you follow this kind of formula
you'll start building habits because if
this season you start to be able to
change things you do it differently you
don't go to every single clinic but you
do go to some and then you go away and
practice and you focus you get video and
you just think about small improvements
and you don't challenge yourself too
much but you challenge yourself a little
bit
and it all starts working out you're
going to remember season 2023 and go I'm
going to repeat that and then so you're
going to do it again and then you're
going to get it another change in a
different part of your skiing again and
again and again and then you look back
five years
ten years time and maybe now you are on
the demo team and or you know you're uh
you're in the threadbo media you know
they want you to ski in front of the
camera because you're the best uh best
most smoothest looking skier out there
whatever your goal is but
that all these things will lead to
building habits uh in your
like the way you perceive your skiing
um sorry the way you perceive like
getting things done so um yeah pay
attention to that
so pretty short uh presentation here but
it's not
rocket science it's just some stuff that
I've learned and uh has worked for me
over time so first of all the
expectations part I put that in more to
do with this like looking for one
percent gains
um and and really being like okay with
that don't expect to be improving
massively all the time
um also that you don't have to be really
macking it down the hill or really
challenging yourself seriously to get to
get some change it's as little as four
percent in fact this is kind of a sweet
spot around four percent
which yeah makes makes it uh it's not as
daunting
remember that struggling is part of the
process
so yeah you got to feel like uh yeah
this if the struggle is not there then
you're not challenged you're not doing
probably enough enough of this but also
remember if it's a real struggle perhaps
you're pushing that four percent point
maybe a little too far
really try and remember to spend 70 of
your practice time challenging your
skills uh like instead of 70 of your
time being in your comfort zone so you
know your time is precious you're
working you're working working and then
you get a chance to actually have a
break and uh you know or take a day off
a morning off
don't just go do the same old same old
if you want to get better
push yourself spend seven minutes time
70 of your time pushing yourself and
then come back and finish in that uh
that that easier sort of comfort zone
spot
uh there's that four percent and then
Focus just remember like
yeah just just like I can't I needed to
get away from uh what I was doing down
at my house today to write this like go
over and make sure my presentation was
right
if I kept getting interrupted it's going
to be all over the shops the same with
your skiing like you know it's great to
go skiing with your friends but if you
when you're going and doing your runs
don't get distracted focus on on what's
going on and find stuff that is novel so
that comes back to that's the same as
this challenge thing so working on a
drill within what you're doing that is
slightly challenging uh pushing the
terrain or the speed
um either up or down really really
important there and yeah video yourself
make sure you video yourself people do
not I think do that enough to keep
themselves
honest
um
great so that's really all I wanted to
talk about before this season and
hopefully give you some ideas on yeah
how to approach the winter and if you're
not you know if something you're working
on is your teaching you can utilize this
stuff to help your guests
um yeah especially if they're motivated
you've got into school kids
like novel things really interesting
things are going to make it
you know the kids are going to learn
faster they're going to have a more
interesting time
um and that's what I was going to say
the last thing about about Flow State
people have maybe you know you've heard
of this like getting in in the flow and
that sort of thing and in Flow State
people report you know things slowing
down like the Matrix you can see things
coming make reactions sort of like like
you've got time
um anyway some some research on that
shows there's these sort of stages that
people go through to to hit that flow
state
and one of them is this struggling bit
and so this struggling bit occurs but
then usually uh what happens just after
that is almost this release of of like
getting out of so say you've been so
I'll just give a skateboarding sample
you can't do a kickflip you're there
you're trying to kickflip kick kickflip
kickflip for like half an hour you do
like 150 of them some of them you get
right some of them not and you're there
like oh exhausted you have a break
what really helps trigger the next part
where you actually often will get into
flow is you go and do something
completely different and in within your
comfort zone so say you could do Ollies
you then go skate for 10 minutes just
doing Ollies totally enjoying it
something that's well within your
comfort zone
come back
go through the challenge one again you
will find what has happened is there's
been chemical reactions in your brain
that have changed and released uh
certain chemicals that help you learn it
helps block out like that that critical
thinking part of your brain like oh
you're not doing it right oh you're
doing this that's the stuff so you come
back to the challenging task and it
often goes better
now if you think about that that relates
really well to the 70
challenge chunk
20 comfort zone so you spend a shot load
of time
challenging doing short turns at a much
faster Rhythm than you used to then you
go and you spend 20 you know 10 minutes
doing short turns of the rhythm you're
used to
then come back again suddenly it gets
easier so there's a good little kind of
formula uh that goes in there to help
you know sort of almost hack the Flow
State a little bit but you can't get in
there if you just
stick within your comfort zone
thanks for uh for tuning in and I'll uh
if anyone's got questions be uh great uh
hear from you so you can come off mute
if you like and or just let me know what
what you're perhaps thinking from that
you're going to add into your
training this year or your way of
approaching the ski season anyone kind
of
does this triggered any thoughts on that
front like ah I'm gonna do that yeah hey
look thanks so much Tom uh heap of great
great information there to help me out
as uh thinking about how we approach the
season and uh quite a lot of information
I think if each of us has one one take
away from that then it's been worthwhile
and certainly for me it's been thinking
about sorry I've got the kids in the
background
the the one for me is definitely
thinking about that 70 of the time that
I'm out out skiing in my own time 70
should be trying to get better because I
always I always think there's three
states of mind that I can have when I'm
skiing
um one is to perform two is to develop
or three is to cruise so cruising just
not really thinking about anything just
going with it developing thinking about
thinking about an aspect of your scheme
that yeah you're trying to work on a
development perform is not thinking
about one specific thing but trying to
absolutely ski to the best of your
ability and I think maybe I need to
think about the percentages that I'm I'm
making to those zones across season
because yeah particularly for myself in
switching jobs in recent years my times
are even time on scenario is even more
of a premium I need to get more more
value from that time so that will
certainly yeah yeah that's been been
fighting worthwhile there
yeah totally I I loved hearing that just
knowing like some kind of rough numbers
was was helpful it's like right I know
I've got an hour
I'm gonna spend 40 minutes of that doing
that is harder uh to you know stuff
that I know I don't really like doing
because the mistakes always happen
but you just got to go through that
um to yeah to improve uh Nick have you
got a takeaway you're gonna implement
I only just joined in the last couple of
minutes mate so I didn't hear the whole
thing but um just I think alongside with
James the
um like spending a certain amount of
time trying hard stuff
um certainly lines up with a lot of
research I've been doing uh as part of
the demo team for uh the next sort of
uh teaching section of the apsi manual
um there's a lot of sort of research in
Neuroscience that you yeah you need a
certain error rate to trigger
neuroplasticity
um and it's somewhere somewhere roughly
around what you've said there so um
yeah to hear you mention that
can you think of a personal example of
when you perhaps just did that
you know maybe it was someone you skied
with just forced you for that whole
entire morning you're like this is way
out of my depth but then maybe like that
afternoon or the next like a number of
like yeah heaps of times yeah um
actually uh we're skiing with Sam Robbo
and burbio a couple of weeks ago
um
yeah and he's just sort of
um
we're just talking about skiing he's
like hey you should try and clear your
inside leg a little bit more
um
and yeah after like sort of watching
Robo do it a bit and then I sort of took
it away for a couple of days and was
like okay I'm gonna go and just go and
practice this and practice this and
practice this and yeah there was
definitely a lot of times for us like I
wasn't clearing it at the right rate or
something or you know I ended up on my
inside ski or whatever but it up
it up it up and then
eventually kinda
stops you start to get it right got the
Breakthrough yeah
yeah that's what I like reflecting back
I'm thinking why did that seem to go
faster working on that thing and I think
back to it and
the situation the people whatever it was
kind of
force me into
that uh that challenge zone for longer
Brian how about you
um I'm
reminded of something from a a different
sector which is the
and I'm old enough to have the
perspective the which was the do it on
be alone and be uninterrupted and that
was I know that was two separate points
but they're related and there's there's
a bit of uh theory about
um particularly creative
situations or or research and
development of new ideas
um in the way the brain works and a
suggestion that with the Advent of email
and text messages and a whole range of
things that across so many different
industrial sectors or commercial sectors
um now influence the way people spend
their lives that we've lost the
creativity that comes from a 45 minute
period uninterrupted focusing on a
single thing
and and over the last and that's you
know this isn't new news 10 or 15 years
ago this was understood in large
corporations started reacting to that
because they could see it affecting
productivity in the areas of their
business which were you know trying to
create new things like Project work
software development things where you
need to
to make a breakthrough of some sort and
A New Concept and learning to ski better
is another example of getting that
breakthrough so those two resonated with
something that I've heard as a you know
as a guy trying to run a bank you know
part of a bank for example and when you
posted the team are just spending their
life reacting to emails rather than
stopping and thinking about what they
really need to get right to get past
this struggle that they've dipped in and
out of
absolutely yeah that resonated for me
and it was useful to apply that to this
this weird thing that I don't actually
intend or have any aspiration to join
the demo team eventually Nick but
um I do actually have an aspiration to
improve my skiing a bit beyond where I
am so
um that's right not getting distracted
by the fact that I quite like skiing
around with us with a class maybe I've
got to spend 45 minutes skiing on my own
yeah absolutely and do you know what
when you're with the class we over teach
so much of the time because we we take
that role so seriously that we presented
oh God there's still an hour to go I
can't just stand here and let them
practice actually as long as they're
given some novelty in the task is sort
of set that's exactly what we all need
and you can work on your own thing that
guests can work on their own thing but
yeah people need that Focus
and weak as an instructor can be a
distraction if we're constantly in their
ear a lot of the time and
I'll just share one more thing on that
Archie my five-year-old uh really into
soccer really into sports
I've realized I've perhaps been a little
bit too heavy in terms of uh external
feedback to him on hey great dribbling
great kick
instead of leaving him be and trying to
let the outcome trigger his own internal
like that felt really good I'll do it
again because I don't want him to rely
on me going great
kick or someone else great kick and then
no one's saying great kick and then
suddenly like oh I'm not interested in
this anymore
so students your ski students whether
they're just snow playing whatever it is
I think you've got to be careful
try you're trying to set up a situation
where they
uh get the self perpetuated yeah
internal feedback we we all want to be
the one
sort of taking credit for it at times
and yeah James you got someone to
mention there
yeah so setting up setting up um you
know intrinsic feedback loops are so so
important to accelerate learning and you
know I think we we all know how it's
quite easy to talk about planet junkies
and we've all come across feedback
junkies who who you know will have on a
course and they'll come down and run and
they're just waiting for the trainer to
say something to them and we've allowed
students in a lesson who come down and
they want the trainer to to uh to give
them that feedback they want that
reassurance from from their voice from
the professional that they're they're
employing or that they're going through
for training and um
but the the real skill in getting them
to take ownership from their own
learning is uh anything setting up those
those leaps of feedback that don't come
from the trainer that they can tap into
after the lesson in in their own
personal training time which should
account for way more than their their
time with a trainer or a teacher and but
if we don't set those up it's quite
difficult for them to know whether
they're they're achieving what they're
sending out to achieve or not and it
might be
like the sound the skis are making it
might be the tracks that are left in the
snow it might be a particular
um feeling that they're experiencing
against the boot or from a um from
muscular effort then they can
um we wouldn't have been tapping to
ceremony of theirs and really the last
one we resort to should be from the
trainer mods with once we've kind of
once we got them through that cognitive
phase of learning they're in that
associative phase where they're
practicing lost
um trying to trying to encourage them to
to tap into things that aren't new is so
important
exactly yeah
um and you know I think recognizing if
you're that person because I think we
all you know I know I've turned to
people and go did what did you think was
that kind of good like we've all been
there I'm like yeah yeah we've all been
there but yeah hopefully this there's
just this little sort of slideshow of
things just you can come back to it
check it check it check it are you doing
some of the things in there
that perhaps they're going to lead to to
faster you know learning growth and what
you're doing
um yeah anyone else want to do a final
sort of takeaway from
this discussion
um yeah just what you said about like
trying something hard for a period of
time and struggling with it and then
going back to something else that you
know you can do and you know is fun like
I've had a lot of experience with that
skateboarding especially so like if I
was learning to kickflip or heel flip
or like all of the tricks I've learned
I've had like maybe a morning period
where I've tried to do it 100 200 300
times and then go on all right let's
just go and do fun stuff that I already
know how to do for a little bit
then I'll come back in an hour's time
and then maybe three or four different
tricks I've done it that first time
after the break and it's click magically
happened
yeah yeah
so now you know that I went there's a
formula yeah yeah yeah it's kind of like
like yeah you knew it in the time you
were kind of
sort of stumbling on it but but yeah
there's some pretty smart people that
have basically figured this out by
studying some of the extreme athletes in
the world
uh this guy's name Stephen kotler by the
way that's done a lot of this flow
research and that's what he's
found there's these certain patterns and
so there's a little hacks you can sort
of do to help repeat the process and
we're all creatures of habit that that
habit part there I reckon that's a
really important one because if you've
learned all this now and you've got this
season
this season is a chance to start
developing a seasonal habit of getting
better in one area and I think I would
also suggest choose probably one thing
for That season so I know some some
Seasons I came in I was like I'm just
going to get better at a really good
Dynamic short turn
like that's 70 of where when I go skiing
I'm going to be doing that type of turn
and then challenging it so uh in that
season try and develop yeah this recipe
a habit so then you just naturally just
come back in next year you don't have to
think about as much you just not you
gravitate towards got 30 minutes off I
go do this
you don't even like think about anything
else you just know what to do and uh and
it starts happening so yeah I saw you
nodding your head with the kickflips
there as well Luca's like oh I didn't
realize you skated about it a lot but
yeah that's why so like just so you know
more records have been broken in extreme
sports than any anything else in such a
short period of time
and part of what it is is because
extreme sports naturally
always that they're usually challenging
us that little bit as soon as you start
doing it
you're already kind of hitting that four
percent Zone
uh of of challenging your skill but you
get to sort of levels with perhaps some
of the people on the call here at
don't fall into complacency
do things faster
you know Rhythm faster speed trickier
terrain harder snow
constrain yourselves do it now with no
polls do it now on one ski
and that that'll lead to uh to growth
great
all right everyone thanks very much for
joining Thanks James for uh the
opportunity to to do this and uh yeah
I'd love to hear it be cool to do like a
season and wrap-up one and see who's
who's done well and uh yeah what they've
what they've achieved and what's worked
worked there
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