Un Fatto alla Radio Con Umberto Chiariello 27/03

Radio Napoli Centrale
27 Mar 202407:49

Summary

TLDRThe transcript discusses the importance of living in a democratic society like Italy, where individual freedoms are sacred and the rule of law is paramount. It highlights the case of Acerbi and Quang Jesus, emphasizing the distinction between ethics and law, and the potential dangers of basing judgments solely on accusations without solid evidence. The speaker argues for the protection of innocent individuals over the pursuit of a single guilty party and stresses the need for a fair legal process that does not condone injustice, even when it appears to be the lesser of two evils.

Takeaways

  • 📢 The director Umberto Chiarello discusses the Acerbi-Quang Jesus case and its implications on Italian society and legal system.
  • 🌍 Italy is described as a fortunate country to live in, despite its imperfections, being a democratic republic with a capitalistic market economy.
  • 💡 The importance of living in a state of law is emphasized, where principles are non-negotiable and one is not guilty until proven so by a final sentence.
  • 🤔 The existence of judicial errors is acknowledged, highlighting the difference between ethics and law, and the acceptance of laws even when they seem unjust.
  • 🚨 The case brings up concerns about the potential for wrongful accusations based on the testimony of a single individual or an adversary.
  • 🎥 The mention of a lip reader and a camera that incriminated Acerbi, despite the lack of other consistent evidence.
  • ⚖️ The court's decision is deemed unjust but correct, as it followed the rules and procedures, even if they led to an unfavorable outcome.
  • 🛑 A warning is issued about the risks of being accused without solid evidence, which could lead to severe consequences for the accused.
  • 🚨 The ruling is seen as a deterrent rather than an invitation for insults, emphasizing the importance of being cautious with one's words and actions.
  • 🏆 Napoli's reaction to the case is mentioned, highlighting their defense of Quang Jesus and their stance against the Italian Football Federation (FIGC).
  • 🌟 The need to balance moral support for victims of racism with the upholding of the rule of law and the protection of innocent individuals from unjust punishment.

Q & A

  • What is the main topic of discussion in the script?

    -The main topic of discussion is the legal case involving Acerbi and Quang Jesus, with a focus on the implications of the court's decision and its impact on society.

  • What does the speaker emphasize about living in Italy?

    -The speaker emphasizes that Italy is a democratic republic with a capitalist society and a rule of law, where individual freedoms are sacred and one is considered innocent until proven guilty by a final court decision.

  • What is the speaker's view on the relationship between ethics and law?

    -The speaker believes that ethics and law are not always aligned, and that the law must be accepted even when it is perceived as unjust, drawing a parallel to the case of Socrates.

  • What is the significance of the phrase 'better that a guilty person goes free than 50 innocents be condemned'?

    -This phrase highlights the importance of not condemning innocent people based on mere accusations or insufficient evidence, emphasizing the value of upholding the principle of 'innocent until proven guilty.'

  • What does the speaker argue about the strategy used by Acerbi's defense?

    -The speaker argues that Acerbi's defense strategy, which was revealed to be successful, was false, but it had to be accepted because there were no consistent and unified indications to prove otherwise.

  • What is the speaker's concern about the potential consequences of the court's decision?

    -The speaker is concerned that the court's decision could set a precedent where accusations from opponents could lead to condemnations without substantial evidence, potentially putting many people at risk of unjust punishment.

  • How does the speaker view the role of evidence in legal proceedings?

    -The speaker stresses the importance of consistent and unified evidence in legal proceedings, stating that without it, the court's decision may not be just, but it must still be respected.

  • What is the speaker's stance on the issue of racism as it relates to the case?

    -The speaker acknowledges that Acerbi was found guilty of insults and offenses towards Quang Jesus, but the discriminatory matrix was not proven, which is a crucial point of the case that the speaker believes has not been understood.

  • How does the speaker suggest society should react to the court's decision?

    -The speaker suggests that society should be cautious and understand the potential risks of the court's decision, acting as a deterrent rather than an encouragement of insults, and should not sacrifice the rule of law for the sake of one guilty person.

  • What is the speaker's view on the reaction of Napoli and the FIGC?

    -The speaker supports Napoli's anger and their condemnation of the FIGC for their operations, as well as their defense of their player, Quang Jesus. However, the speaker emphasizes that moral support for Quang Jesus does not mean disregarding the legal process for Acerbi.

Outlines

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📢 Legal and Ethical Reflections on the Acerbi Case

The paragraph discusses the legal and ethical implications of a court ruling in the Acerbi case. It emphasizes the importance of living in a democratic republic with a capitalist society that upholds individual freedoms. The speaker acknowledges that while the law is not always just, it must be respected and followed, even when it seems unfair. The case of Acerbi is highlighted as an example of a judicial error, where the court ruling is deemed unjust but legally correct. The speaker argues that it's better for one guilty person to be acquitted than for 50 innocent people to be condemned. The paragraph concludes by stressing the need to protect the rights of potentially 50 innocent people who could be unjustly condemned.

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🚨 The Dangers of Misinterpretation in Legal Proceedings

This paragraph addresses the potential risks of basing legal judgments on single accusations or misinterpretations. It warns against the possibility of people being unfairly condemned without substantial evidence. The speaker uses a hypothetical scenario to illustrate how easily an accusation can lead to a conviction, emphasizing the importance of solid evidence and proper legal procedures. The paragraph also discusses the broader societal impact of such rulings, noting that they can create a deterrent effect and discourage people from making false accusations. The speaker concludes by reiterating the significance of safeguarding the legal system and the rights of individuals, even in cases where the outcome may seem unfavorable to the accused.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡sentenza

The term 'sentenza' in Italian translates to 'judgment' or 'verdict' in English. It refers to the decision made by a court of law in relation to a case. In the context of the video, the 'sentenza' is central to the discussion, as it highlights the legal outcome of a controversial case involving Acerbi and Quang Jesus. The speaker critiques the verdict, suggesting that it is unjust but legally correct, thus sparking a debate on the relationship between justice and the law.

💡diritto

In Italian, 'diritto' means 'law' or 'right'. It is a fundamental concept in the video, as the speaker discusses the principles of law and how they are applied in a democratic society. The term is used to differentiate between ethical and legal standards, emphasizing that something can be legal without being ethical, and vice versa.

💡democrazia

The term 'democrazia' translates to 'democracy' in English. It is a key concept in the video, as the speaker reflects on the nature of the political system in Italy, which is characterized by democratic principles such as the rule of law and individual freedoms. The speaker uses the concept to highlight the importance of upholding democratic values, even when they are challenged by controversial legal decisions.

💡giustizia

The Italian word 'giustizia' means 'justice' in English. It is a central theme in the video, as the speaker explores the complex relationship between law (diritto) and justice. The speaker argues that while the law provides a framework for resolving disputes, justice is a broader concept that encompasses moral and ethical considerations. The discussion revolves around whether a legal verdict can be correct in law but still be perceived as unjust.

💡errore giudiziario

The phrase 'errore giudiziario' translates to 'judicial error' in English. It refers to mistakes made by the judiciary in the process of interpreting and applying the law. In the video, the speaker acknowledges the existence of such errors, suggesting that they are an inevitable part of any legal system. The concept is used to argue for the importance of having checks and balances to correct such errors and to protect the rights of individuals.

💡libertà individuali

The term 'libertà individuali' translates to 'individual freedoms' in English. It refers to the rights and liberties that are granted to individuals in a society, particularly within a democratic and capitalist system. In the video, the speaker discusses the importance of these freedoms, noting that they are considered sacred and are protected by the rule of law.

💡razzismo

The term 'razzismo' translates to 'racism' in English. It is a key issue in the video, as the speaker discusses a case involving alleged racist insults. The speaker emphasizes the importance of not tolerating racism and the need for society to stand against discriminatory behavior. The concept is used to highlight the moral dimensions of the case and the broader societal implications of the legal verdict.

💡processo mediatico

The phrase 'processo mediatico' translates to 'media trial' or 'trial by media' in English. It refers to the phenomenon where a person or a case is tried and judged in the court of public opinion through media coverage, often before any legal proceedings have taken place. In the video, the speaker warns against the dangers of a media trial, suggesting that it can lead to the violation of individual rights and the presumption of guilt without due process.

💡delazione

The term 'delazione' in Italian refers to 'denunciation' or 'informer system'. It is used in the context of the video to discuss the historical practice of individuals informing against others, which the speaker suggests is not a reliable basis for legal judgments. The concept is used to critique the legal case in question, arguing that it should not be based on the denunciation of an individual without substantial evidence.

💡Spartaco

In the context of the video, 'Spartaco' refers to the historical figure Spartacus, a leader of a major slave uprising against the Roman Republic. The speaker mentions a book written by the 'grande professore Guarino di diritto romano' about Spartacus, which ends with a questioning mark, symbolizing the ongoing debate about justice and the law. The reference to Spartacus is used to underscore the complexities of legal judgments and the pursuit of justice throughout history.

💡insicurezza

The term 'insicurezza' translates to 'insecurity' or 'uncertainty' in English. It is used in the video to express the speaker's concern about the potential consequences of the legal verdict for individuals and society. The speaker argues that the verdict could create a sense of insecurity by suggesting that anyone could be accused and potentially punished without substantial evidence.

Highlights

The importance of living in a democratic country like Italy is emphasized, highlighting the value of individual freedoms and the rule of law. (Start time: 00:00)

The discussion acknowledges the imperfections of Italy as a country, but appreciates it as a place suitable for older generations, despite not being ideal for the youth. (Start time: 00:30)

The radio director, Umberto Chiarello, introduces the topic of the day, which is the court ruling on the Acerbi-Quang Jesus case. (Start time: 01:00)

The speaker stresses the principle that one is not guilty until a final sentence is pronounced, reflecting on the importance of due process. (Start time: 02:00)

The concept that judicial errors exist and that ethics and law do not always go hand in hand is discussed, referencing the case of Socrates. (Start time: 03:00)

The speaker asserts that the law must be accepted even when it is unjust, as it is a fundamental part of the state's functioning. (Start time: 04:00)

The case of Acerbi is mentioned, with the speaker expressing skepticism about the defense strategy presented as victorious by Acerbi's lawyer. (Start time: 05:00)

The speaker argues that the court ruling is unjust but correct, highlighting the complexity of legal decisions. (Start time: 06:00)

The discussion points out the danger of condemning individuals based on accusations without solid evidence, like in the historical inquisition period. (Start time: 07:00)

The speaker warns against the potential for abuse in the legal system, where a single accusation could lead to severe consequences. (Start time: 08:00)

The case is used as an example to illustrate the importance of not allowing the legal system to be manipulated by personal grievances. (Start time: 09:00)

The speaker emphasizes that the court ruling should serve as a deterrent, not as an invitation for baseless accusations. (Start time: 10:00)

The discussion highlights the need for concrete evidence, such as video footage, to support accusations and ensure justice. (Start time: 11:00)

The speaker calls for a balance between protecting the rights of the accused and maintaining social order, especially in high-profile cases. (Start time: 12:00)

The Napoli football club's reaction to the case is mentioned, with the speaker supporting their stance against the Italian Football Federation (FIGC). (Start time: 13:00)

The speaker distinguishes between moral support for Quang Jesus and the legal process, advocating for the protection of due process for all. (Start time: 14:00)

The discussion concludes with a call to preserve the integrity of the legal system, even in cases where the outcome may seem unfavorable to some parties. (Start time: 15:00)

Transcripts

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Buongiorno anche oggi pronti mercoledì

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27 marzo ore 9:10 pronti come dicevo per

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ascoltare un fatto alla radio con il

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direttore Umberto Chiarello direttore

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Buongiorno ben ritrovato Qual è il fatto

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che ci vuole raccontare questa mattina

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ovviamente il fatto che tiene banco è la

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sentenza sul caso Acerbi quang Jesus di

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cui però vorrò parlarne con molta

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dovizia di particolari nel corso

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dell'editor radio delle 13 e15

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adesso mi limito a poche osservazioni di

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tipo di carattere non giuridico quelle

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me le risero per

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dopo Noi dobbiamo partire da un

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presupposto

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che siamo fortunati a vivere in

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Italia per quanto sia un paese

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imperfetto per quanto sia il cosiddetto

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bel paese per quanto sia non sia un

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paese per giovani ma è un paese per

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vecchi Per quante ure ci sono in questo

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paese Noi viviamo in una democrazia in

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una repubblica

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democratica viviamo in una società

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occidentale di natura capitalistica

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Quindi con economia di mercato dove le

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libertà individuali sono

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sacre e viviamo in uno stato di

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diritto Dove ci sono dei principi che

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non possono essere discussi né

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discutibili uno dei

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Principi dal quale non si può derogare

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mai e che non si può essere considerati

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colpevoli se non di fronte a fatti

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provati e non si è colpevoli fino a

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sentenza

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definitiva noi dobbiamo partire da un

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presupposto che l'errore giudiziario

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esiste

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che il diritto non è necessariamente

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giusto che etica e diritto non vanno a

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braccetto di paripasso

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è un dato di fatto è un fatto scontato

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dalla notte dei secoli da

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Socrate che fu ucciso e non si ribellò

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duralex

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sedlex la legge va

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accettata anche quando è

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ingiusta il grande professore Guarino di

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diritto romano scrisse un libro su

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Spartaco e chiuse con un capitolo con

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interrogativo inquietante i usus a

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giustizia punto interrogativo cioè il

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diritto deriva dalla giustizia La

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risposta è

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no il diritto alle sue regole e vanno

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applicate anche quando è ingiusto nel

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caso di specie la sentenza è ingiusta ma

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è

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corretta c'è uno che l'ha fatta Franca

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Ma sappiate sempre che è meglio che un

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colpevole la faccia Franca piuttosto che

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50 Innocenti siano

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condannati si sarebbe aperta la Stura

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ha un qualcosa di

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aberrante i processi in piazza dovuti

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alla delazione dell'epoca di Girolamo

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Savonarola e la santa inquisizione sono

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finiti da

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tempo noi non possiamo condannare sulla

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base di una

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delazione non possiamo condannare sulla

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base di un'accusa di un individuo verso

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un altro individuo nel caso di specie

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noi sappiamo che quang gesus ha detto la

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verità noi lo sappiamo e noi sappiamo

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che la linea la strategia difensiva che

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rivelata vincente di Acerbi è

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falsa è falsa come moneta Fuori corso

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eppure dobbiamo accettarla questa

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sentenza

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Perché Perché non ci sono indizi

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concordanti e

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unifo

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purtroppo questa

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sentenza non salva l'uomo Acerbi o Per

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fortuna che comunque subirà un processo

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mediatico da parte di tutti perché tutti

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abbiamo il convincimento che l'ha fatta

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Franca solo perchi ha saputo trovare la

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linea la strategia difensiva che lo ha

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salvato ma è stato anche fortunato

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perché oltre all'omertà dei compagni non

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ha trovato il labiale in una telecamera

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che lo

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inchioda Ma dobbiamo pensare che se

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bastasse condannare

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per la semplice frase di un avversario

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che ti dice lui mi ha insultato in

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maniera razzista sapete da oggi in poi

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quante persone rischierebbero di essere

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condannate senza uno straccio di prova

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Basta che che io vado da all'avversario

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dico mi hai rotto le scatole Sai che

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faccio Vado dall'arbitro e dico che mi

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ha

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insultato che facciamo

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dopo basta un

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accusatore per condannare un accus

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usciamo un attimo dal caso di specie

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poniamo un problema di ordine

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generale ma voi dite questa sentenza

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salva un colpevole e quindi da oggi in

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poi basta mettere la mano avanti all

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bocca io posso insultare impunemente

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No questa sentenza dice state

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attenti avete capito che cosa ha

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rischiato cerbi state attenti perché

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basta un testimone uno basta una camera

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una che vi inchioda e voi vi beccate 10

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giornate di squalifica e forse la

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carriera anche una recessione

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contrattuale Non è vero che questa

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sentenza apre la strada agli insulti

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questa sentenza è un

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deterrente perché fa capire che seppure

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a cerbi se l'è cavata impunemente

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ha avuto fortuna e non sempre la fortuna

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arride ai lestofanti a coloro non sto

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dicendo a cerbi a coloro

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che vogliono

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approfittare di una situazione

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imbarazzante Qual è quella che si sta

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creando in Italia sul tema razzismo

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aerbi è stato colpevole di insulti e di

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offese a quang Jesus purtroppo non si è

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provata la matrice discriminatoria

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Questo è il punto determinante della

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vicenda che non volete capire questo è

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il punto fa bene il Napoli ad

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arrabbiarsi Fa bene il Napoli a

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condannare la FIGC per le operazioni di

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facciata Fa bene il Napoli a difendere

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il proprio calciatore Siamo tutti con

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quang Jesus ma questo non significa che

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poiché siamo moralmente con guang Jesus

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dobbiamo buttare a mare lo stato di

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dritto per un colpevole che la fa Franca

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Salviamo 50 Innocenti che possono essere

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condannati ingiustamente questo un

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principio dal quale io non sono disposto

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a

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derogare Grazie direttore per il fatto

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di oggi e come da te spiegato già noi

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approfondiremo tutto ciò a un calcio

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alla radio dalle 13 alle 15 con minuzie

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di particolari eh indubbiamente A più

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tardi altro

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poco

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