Why RFK Jr.’s Israel Stance Might Not Be A Complete Dealbreaker
Summary
TLDRIn this transcript, the discussion revolves around the political influence of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and the challenges faced by independent candidates. The conversation touches on the Israel-Palestine conflict, the influence of the military-industrial complex, and the importance of voting strategically to effect change. It also highlights the potential impact of independent candidates on local and national politics, urging support for those who can break through the two-party system and bring about substantive reforms.
Takeaways
- 🔍 The speaker values Kennedy for his focus on broader issues and not getting involved in culture wars.
- 🕊️ The speaker wishes Kennedy would take a neutral stance on the Israel-Palestine conflict, which they see as detrimental to his anti-establishment image.
- 💡 The speaker believes that to counteract the influence of the military-industrial complex and three-letter agencies, one must also address the influence and funding of Israel.
- 🗳️ The speaker acknowledges the unfair expectations placed on independent candidates like Kennedy to be perfect on every issue, unlike Democrats or Republicans.
- 💣 The speaker expresses concern about the bombing of Gaza and the lack of action from either Trump or Harris to stop it, suggesting a grim reality of ongoing conflict.
- 🎰 The speaker sees voting for Kennedy as a gamble but believes in the potential for change if he were to win or even gain significant support.
- 🌐 The speaker recounts their own political experiences, emphasizing the importance of independent candidates gaining ballot access and winning local elections to effect change.
- 🤔 The speaker struggles with Kennedy's stance on Israel but continues to support him due to his alignment on other issues and the potential for broader impact.
- 🏆 The speaker argues that if Kennedy can achieve significant electoral success, it could lead to a shift in power dynamics and influence in government.
- 🌿 The speaker criticizes the Green Party for becoming authoritarian and expresses reservations about voting for Jill Stein despite her alignment on certain issues.
- 📊 The speaker discusses the strategic value of voting for independent candidates in non-swing states to build momentum and influence for future elections.
Q & A
What is the main concern expressed about Kennedy's stance on the Israel-Palestine conflict?
-The main concern is that Kennedy's position on the Israel-Palestine conflict is not neutral, which is seen as problematic given his broader focus on reducing influence from the military-industrial complex and three-letter agencies.
Why is the speaker critical of Kennedy's approach to the Israel-Palestine issue in the context of his anti-establishment views?
-The speaker believes that Kennedy's stance on Israel-Palestine is antithetical to his anti-establishment views because it aligns with the influence of powerful groups like Massad, which the speaker argues should be reduced or eliminated.
What is the argument made about the influence of foreign policy on domestic politics in the United States?
-The argument is that foreign policy, particularly the support for Israel, has a significant influence on domestic politics in the U.S., with the implication that this influence should be reduced to allow for more independent decision-making.
What is the speaker's view on the potential impact of voting for an independent candidate like Kennedy?
-The speaker believes that voting for an independent candidate like Kennedy could lead to significant changes in politics, including the possibility of reducing the influence of the military-industrial complex and foreign policy biases.
How does the speaker address the concern about Kennedy needing to be 'perfect' on every issue?
-The speaker acknowledges the unfair expectation that independent candidates like Kennedy must be perfect on every issue, but argues that supporting him is still valuable due to the potential for broader political change.
What is the speaker's opinion on the effectiveness of the current U.S. administration in handling the Israel-Gaza conflict?
-The speaker suggests that the current administration's approach to the Israel-Gaza conflict is ineffective and biased, and implies that a change in approach is necessary.
What is the speaker's view on the potential for a third-party candidate to break through in U.S. politics?
-The speaker believes that a third-party candidate like Kennedy could break through and influence politics if they can achieve a significant vote share, leading to a grassroots independent movement.
What is the argument made about the importance of local victories for independent candidates?
-The speaker argues that local victories for independent candidates are crucial for demonstrating the potential for change and for encouraging more people to run as independents in future elections.
What is the speaker's perspective on the role of the president in foreign policy and military matters?
-The speaker suggests that the president has significant control over foreign policy and military matters, and that changes in these areas are primarily driven by the executive office.
How does the speaker view the potential for a protest vote, such as voting for Jill Stein?
-The speaker views a protest vote as potentially impactful if it contributes to a significant vote share for a third-party candidate, but acknowledges that it could also be seen as a wasted vote in certain contexts.
What is the speaker's advice for voters in states considered 'safe' for one party?
-The speaker advises voters in 'safe' states to consider voting for a third-party candidate like Kennedy to contribute to a larger vote share that could influence politics and signal dissatisfaction with the two-party system.
Outlines
🌎 Geopolitical Influence and the Presidential Dilemma
The speaker discusses the importance of focusing on larger global issues rather than getting caught up in cultural wars. They express a desire for neutrality in the Israel-Palestine conflict and argue that to counteract the influence of the military-industrial complex and the 'three-letter agencies', one must also address the significant financial support given to Israel. The conversation then shifts to the unfair expectations placed on independent candidates, suggesting that while they may not be perfect, their potential to enact change is significant. The speaker believes that if Robert F. Kennedy Jr. were to win, it could inspire a wave of independent victories at various levels of government, leading to substantial and lasting change.
🗳️ The Impact of Voting for Third-Party Candidates
This paragraph delves into the strategic considerations of voting for third-party candidates, such as Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Jill Stein, or Chase Oliver. The speaker acknowledges the appeal of voting as a form of protest or signal but emphasizes the importance of impact voting, especially in non-swing states where the outcome is predictable. They argue that a significant vote share for an independent candidate could lead to increased leverage and influence, potentially resulting in policy changes and a shift in the political landscape. The discussion also touches on the historical context of presidential power and the current state of Congress, suggesting that a strong independent candidate could disrupt the status quo.
🏆 The Power of Third-Party Votes and Grassroots Movements
The speaker makes a case for the power of third-party votes, especially in states where the outcome is not in question, such as California or Idaho. They argue that voting for a candidate like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. could contribute to a significant vote share, which in turn could lead to a grassroots movement of independent candidates running for local offices. This, they believe, could pressure the major parties to take the concerns of independent voters more seriously and could lead to a shift in political power dynamics. The conversation also addresses the potential for an independent candidate to influence policy on issues such as foreign wars and the influence of the military-industrial complex.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Culture War
💡Israel-Palestine Conflict
💡Influence in Government
💡Massad
💡Election Influence
💡Independent Candidate
💡Gaza Bombing
💡Grassroots Movement
💡Virtual Signal Voting
💡Swing State
💡Leverage in Politics
Highlights
Kennedy's focus on the bigger picture and avoiding culture wars, particularly regarding Israel and Palestine.
The influence of the military-industrial complex and the CIA on government decisions.
The unfair expectations placed on independent candidates to be perfect on every issue.
The impact of Gaza being bombed and the lack of change regardless of who is in power.
The potential for change if Bobby Kennedy Jr. wins, influencing followers and Congress.
The importance of breaking the two-party system and the potential for a third-party candidate to make a difference.
The author's personal experience with running as a Libertarian and the victories achieved.
The manipulation of ballot access rules to prevent third-party candidates from succeeding.
The moral struggle with supporting a candidate who doesn't align perfectly with one's beliefs.
The potential for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to be less influenced by external forces compared to other candidates.
Concerns about the control Israel has over U.S. government and speech.
The dilemma of voting for a candidate who may not win but aligns with one's values.
The author's past experience with protest voting and the potential impact of such votes.
The importance of considering the long-term effects of presidential decisions, especially regarding war.
The potential for a grassroots independent party to emerge if a third-party candidate succeeds.
The power of a presidential candidate to influence change in foreign policy and military decisions.
The concept of 'at least' mindset in voting and the potential for delaying negative outcomes.
The importance of leveraging votes to give third-party candidates a voice in government.
The potential for local independent candidates to disrupt the two-party system at the state level.
The responsibility of voters to support local independent candidates to effect change.
The author's personal conviction to vote for Robert Kennedy Jr. despite ideological differences.
Transcripts
Kennedy does focus on the bigger picture
stuff that's the great thing about him
is he doesn't go into the culture War
wish that he would give a I wish he
would just go neutral on Israel
Palestine this is it's the it's a
terrible talking point for him and not
only that but it's totally antithetical
to being against the influence in our
government the three-letter agencies the
military-industrial complex the CIA you
want to get rid of all that you got
to get rid of Massad you got to get rid
of all of the money going to the
Israelis you got to get rid of that
talking point entirely where they're
clearly controlling a lot of they have a
a huge amount of influence in our
elction let me touch that if I could I
agree with all you're saying but here's
the unfairness to any independent
candidate I've run the same thing right
if you're a Democrat or Republican You
can disagree with 880,000 things as long
as you're better than the other so you
can disagree with 177,000 things that
Trump says but he's she he's better than
Harris or if you're Lefty You can
disagree with 80,000 things Harris says
but she's better than Trump but Kennedy
has to be perfect on everything now my
issue is I with you everything you just
said I hate that stance and I will still
support him why because here's the
reality gaza's getting bombed anyone
doesn't like that I know I don't like it
either it's getting bombed whether
Harris wins whether Trump wins neither
one's stopping the bomb Trump will Bomb
faster and end it faster but still this
it's getting bombed that's not we're
still gonna send our troops over there
whatever we're gonna that's not gonna
stop the only chance it won't shot and
that's only a chance you're right it's a
gamble I'm agreeing with you is if
either Bobby breaks a hole or wins if he
wins other people will follow him and
his followers disagree with him and when
they start winning in Congress when they
start winning in the Senate when they
start winning locally it will actually
change and he will probably change his
mind not just that if you just get to 5%
or one you want someone like a Jill
Stein to actually win you want someone
like a Chase Oliver to actually win you
want someone to win someone has to break
a hole and I'm not making that up in
2018 when I ran into New York State I
got 2% in the vote which is all I had to
do 100,000 votes so I could actually get
ballot access and I got it once I had
ballot access in New York state we had
107 local victories the next year 107
people in New York state came in and ran
as Libertarians and won from zero to 107
and one now they were all local they
were all like City Board and they were
all local but they were victories what
happened the state next year trashed
everything and they lied and said we did
it because we want to get rid of Working
Families party that's a lie Working
Families party supported Coro back then
supports Kathy hog the current governor
right now never has stopped and still
exists the only part that got destroyed
was mine that was to stop someone who
broke a hole and watched people run
through it and was I perfect not at all
but I allowed change in my state someone
like Bobby Kennedy can make that happen
and if you want the anti-war people to
actually win someone's gonna break a
hole he's the guy who breaks a hole Yeah
I struggle with him a lot on that
because I do agree with him on so many
other things and I and and it is it's
one of those things things where
um that situation unfortunately is not
going to change uh whether it be Trump
or Harris and if Bobby's the same as
them you know it's kind of more of the
same I I do think he has more of a I do
think he is less influenced by the
forces he would be less influenced by
the forces around him than haris would
be for sure um so there's maybe a chance
he would try to work it out and sit down
and and hear everybody out and you know
there is that side to him that I do
think we've seen showcased numerous
times but I I think they you know I
don't know something is weird with that
whole situation with schie and I don't
know if they got something on the I
don't know what's going on with that I
don't you know but um if you have to
choose between the three I do think
Robert F Kennedy Jr is the choice to
make if you're choosing between those
three I still you know but that I
struggle morally because I don't believe
I that issue to me is just such a
terrible one not not only is it terrible
because well not only is it terrible
because it's a genocide but it's
terrible because of the Israeli control
over our government this serious control
of our speech I mean they're they're
getting Congress people to pass the laws
hold on are you telling me you're going
to support Stein or Oliver those two
that makes sense because they would
agree with you right so Stein is the one
that I've been Stein is the one that
I've been supporting at this point since
Robert of Kennedy Jr went full on Israel
Stein is the one because but here's my
issue with Stein I hate the green party
and that's the only party I've ever you
know why I do because that was my party
I registered for green when I was young
and that was my party and then they kind
of turned into this Authority they did
all the things that the right accused
them of becoming correct right which was
like they would become these like
fascist authoritarian you know and that
is what happened and they became that
and during the pandemic they were really
Ultra that hear what you're doing you're
sitting here saying they are
authoritarians they're bad at every
other thing but I'm considering voting
for them because this one issue I like
Jill Stein well Jill doesn't agree with
all of the platform you know she was not
for the covid mandates she was not for
all of that stuff that the green party
came out and said oh we want mandates
and we want and Jill was not for that I
know that for sure so I I I like her
stances on a lot of things she's also
really skeptical of the three-letter
agencies of cbdcs and the WF and all of
those things that we really care about
she could actually run as a Libertarian
in a lot of ways and she her personal
policy over Harris or Trump any day of
the week right but the chance of her
winning or making a dent then right
right right zero then it becomes a true
protest vote that's like literally what
she would be rather than impact vote I'm
not against virtual signal voting I have
done it before right I voted for Joe
Jorgenson last time right that was a
virtual signal vote right in 2012 when I
voted for Gary Johnson that was a
virtual signal vote in 2016 I believed G
Johns could break the 5% I was wrong but
I'm saying in that in that issue it was
not a virtual signal vote so I've done
it before I don't have a problem with it
right and I don't have a problem with
somebody voting for Joe Stein is a
virtual signal vote right if you have
the option to actually make impact I
understand what you're saying yeah then
use it for that right right and I think
a lot of people are I mean um one thing
that I if people have to really weigh
this out and I've had a lot of emails
from viewers say Kim thank you you've
helped me kind of clarify my mind and I
am going to vote for Robert F Kennedy
Jr's what they've emailed me even though
they know I'm I have not said that know
there was a time I did but now I've kind
of been uh really turned off but but a
lot of the viewers that are watching
have been more solidified in that and my
reasoning is look I care a lot about
Gaza and I care a lot about what's going
on in Palestine but I ha you have to
care about America more this is our
country right now and we have a serious
problem going on with the dapoli but we
also have a serious problem with um you
know the Dapo is a big thing but we also
have a serious problem with war other
Wars and if Harris wins we're going to
war with Russia she is going to ensure
that that gets that continues to be
antagonized and within four years of her
Administration there will be a hot war
with true really truly something
significant will increase there so and
and Israel Gaza probably won't change
much because it never does with any of
them so we'd end up with two you know
there would certainly be a hot war with
Russia Trump it's unclear what would go
on there um the the odds are we're not
going to work with Russia if Trump is
like I agree the odds are lower
the odds are lower yeah he's and really
what people don't understand is the
president really that's all they control
all they really have control over in
this country because Congress is really
supposed to be doing all these other
things and they don't but the president
really is for the B I guess border you
know they control whether or not people
come in there's a border issue there but
there's really they're in charge of the
military industrial complex they're in
charge of the military and foreign
foreign policy and that's really what
the executive office does because
they've really ripped the a lot of the
away from the executive office it used
to be they'd have to balance the budget
until I think it was like the 70s or
something when Congress said no never
you know we they got in a fight with
Nixon and they kind of took that power
away from the executive so then it kind
of be and that's when all the shutdown
government shutdown started because
Congress started taking over the budget
so there there was I think more power
with the executive at one point and
that's why then presidents turned to
executive orders executive order yeah
and and where I think your head is in a
space that many other people's head is
in the same and I call this the at least
mindset which is well at least it's not
this at least it's not that but let's
assume Trump wins and he holds off war
with Russia for four years well four
years from now we're going to have
whatever president AOC or whoever is the
next Lefty that's gonna show up right
Rana whatever black show we're going to
war then so all you're doing is delaying
War for four years and let's say all you
would do anywhere I mean so how would
Kennedy fix that because if Kennedy
actually wins or even just the 5% thing
I said but say he wins if he wins the
world changes overnight if he actually
the 5% or wins the state you're going to
see a Grassroots independent party
people run raise money no one's raised
money as Third Party candidate like
Bobby KY J he's raised tens of millions
of dollars it's unheard of yeah when
Gary Johnson at his top he raised 13
million that was the best since 2016
he's raed tons when that begins to
happen now you start getting people in
Congress who are third part you get
assemblies you're seeing it happen right
now in New Hampshire by the way New
Hampshire is starting to have more
Independent Assembly when you see it
begin to happen in all the states that's
when real permanent change happens
there's no more four years and swapping
so when people start to say when they
feel more confident voting independent
because they know it actually can make
change they will correct and that's what
will C and you know I hear that all the
time I was just in Idaho talking to a
lot of people and they were sitting
there saying well you know I would vote
for but I don't know because I don't
want Harris to win even though I you
know whichever but there there were you
know there's there's that feeling if I
don't want to throw my vote away and
that is that's let me touch it if I
could I live in New York City yeah right
you live in California now is that right
California yeah I'm in La yeah so our
vote is wasted if we vote for Harris or
for Trump Harris is going to win our
states no matter what that's going to
happen so why wouldn't I tack on to the
5% and make some impact I will go to
Idol say the same thing Ido Trump is
gonna wi Idaho there's no way Harris
wins Idaho so why would you waste your
vote and vote for Trump or Harris it's
at that point that's a virtue signal
vote that's all that is if you're an
Idaho and you're on offense and you say
well I'm scared of my vote for Trump
that's a virtual signal vote because
just saying I support Trump because I'm
cool you're making no impact whatsoever
your vote is wasted but if you add on to
that 5% or that 10 percent if Kennedy
gets 10 15% of the vote now he has power
they have to listen to him now they
might put him in a cabinet shut him up
yeah once he gets if he gets like 2% of
the vote they're going to ignore him
forever I know I've got 2% I've been
ignored I know how that works you get
10% 15% they have to keep talking to you
the Press gets back in your face again
now he says I want to be whatever a
secretary of X Y and Z they say well I
shut you up you can be it he now has
leverage so your vote matters if you
live if you live in a swing state I get
why you're scared I still think you
should vote Kennedy but I get it I
understand that but if you live in New
York or Idaho why the hell would you
vote one of too it's a done New York is
3 to one Democrat to Republican right no
Republican has won a Statewide election
in New York state in 22 years nothing
not Governor attorney general Senator
nothing in 22 years New York is going
Harris no matter what Republicans will
lie and say New York's in play that's
utter lie garbage they want to raise
money off of not gonna happen Harris
wins New York Harris wins California
vote Bobby Kennedy and make some impact
stop virtual signal voting
you might have convinced me a little bit
because so I was going to vote Jill
Stein as my protest vote I know Harris
is going to win my state so so I'm I'm
wanting to Signal my but now that I'm
thinking about it really what am I
signaling so yes it would be a signal to
the Democrats if a bunch of us vote Jill
Stein here in the state of California
then the Democratic party might say oh
well you know people in California
becoming more liberal that's what their
that's what their thinking would be
right they would say well they want more
green policies well they're gonna yeah
they're going to they're going to inter
they're not going to say oh they were
protesting Palestine they're going to
say they're not going to they're not
going to equate it to that right they're
say right they're gonna say they're more
liberal they want more of these policy
they want more green deal new green deal
policies they're gonna want they want
more of these things and so we got to
get more we got to do more of that and
that would not then then I'd be like
that's not what I was saying with my
vote right correct that's but if I vote
for Kennedy there that's not what I'm
saying either obviously when it comes to
Palestine but at least they would see
that I was saying something about the
anti-establishment they're not going to
interpret it hold on they won't care
about that what they will care about is
residual and what I mean by that if he
breaks five 10 if if California if he
breaks 10% in California that's millions
of votes there what do you guys do 20
million votes every time whatever your
number is huge chunk over there right so
that's like two million votes or
something right that kind of Leverage
means people will have to pay attention
to what he says but more importantly
people in California will run locally
as Independents that will scare them
yeah that's the point because then
they're going to start losing California
State Senate seats they're gonna start
using California Assembly seats here or
there and when it gets closed right now
in my state I'm assuming it's the same
in yours the Democrats right now have a
veto proof super majority Democrats in
my state they lose that super majority
because Independence pop in they'll
startop paying attention yeah that's
what they care about that's where
there's actual impact the local people
after Bobby Kennedy breaks a in his
system that's what matters if we fail
and that's that'll be on us if we fail
to run and support local independent
candidates after Bobby Kennedy does what
he does that's our fault that's our
fault he will have done his bit will we
do
ours every time I have you on you
convince me a little bit more to go back
towards Robert Kenn which I guess is
your you kind of your point I'm
literally a Libertarian and I'm telling
you to vote for Bobby Kenny Jr why this
is a special time I'm telling you I have
I've done it I know done voting I don't
want to waste it that's my point hey
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