A Brief History of Human Resources And Why Systemic HR Is What's...

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24 Sept 202317:45

Summary

TLDRВ данной транскрипции рассказывают о развитии профессии человеческих ресурсов (HR) и её ключевых изменениях на протяжении веков. В 1800-х годах HR основывается на управлении и трудоустройстве, с акцентом на выполнении рутинных задач. В XX веке с появлением конгломератов и войн, HR становится более стратегическим, фокусируется на подготовке кадров, лидерском развитии и управлении компенсаций. В 1980-х и 1990-х годах приходит эпоха технологий и глобального рынка труда, что ведет к расширению функций HR, включая организационный дизайн, культуру и разнообразие. В 2000-х HR активно использует технологии и аналитику данных для оптимизации процессов. Сегодня профессия HR сложна и важна, требует глобального подхода и профессионального развития команды для решения современных проблем, таких как гибридная работа, устойчивое развитие и внедрение ИИ.

Takeaways

  • 🏭 Исторически персоналовый отдел (HR) был создан для управления оперативными и транзакционными задачами, связанными с работниками, включая поддержание соответствия, финансовые операции и обработку данных о сотрудниках.
  • 🔍 В начале 20 века благодаря усилиям Фредерика Тейлора и других психологов промышленности начали изучать научные основы работы и производительности, что влияло на развитие HR.
  • 📊 По мере развития отрасли консалтинга и психологии на рабочем месте, HR-специалисты начали фокусироваться на опросах и анализе удовлетворенности сотрудников, что привело к более активной работе с талантом.
  • 🌐 После Второй мировой войны и роста конгломератов, HR стало более активно участвовать в стратегическом планировании, управлении наследием, развитии лидерства и формировании платовых систем.
  • 📈 В 1980-1990 годах с появлением технологий и необходимостью управления иновациями и ростом, профессия HR начала сосредотачиваться на организационном дизайне и создании более безопасной психологической среды для сотрудников.
  • 💼 В последующие десятилетия HR стало ключевым для управления процессами по привлечению таланта, улучшению внутренней мобильности и управлению уходом сотрудников.
  • 📊 Появление большого количества данных в HR привело к развитию нового направления - people analytics, позволяющего анализировать данные о сотрудниках для определения трендов и принимать стратегические решения.
  • 🌈 В 1960 годах с появлением программ по равноправию и разнообразию, HR стало ответственным за вопросы экватability и включения, что продолжилось в следующие десятилетия с акцентом на культуре и разнообразии.
  • 🛠️ Ускорение технологий и нехватка навыков привело к расширению ответственности HR по поиску и оценке технических специалистов, а также к созданию внутренних академий для развития навыков.
  • 📚 Обучение и развитие лидерства стали важными направлениями для HR, что привело к созданию корпоративных учебных центров и онлайн-образования.
  • 🌟 В настоящее время HR тесно связано с технологией, и навыки в этой области стали критически важными для эффективной работы персонала.
  • 🔄 Развитие HR прошло от простой административной функции до сложной, важной и многодисциплинарной роли, требующей глубоких знаний и навыков в различных областях.

Q & A

  • Какая роль HR отделов в начале 1900-х годов?

    -В начале 1900-х годов отделы HR или кадровые службы занимались в основном транзакционными и административными функциями, такими как найм сотрудников, управление заработной платой, ведение трудовых отношений и организация базового обучения персонала.

  • Как влияние Фредерика Тейлора и других промышленных психологов изменило подход к работе на производстве?

    -Фредерик Тейлор и другие промышленные психологи внесли вклад в разработку научного подхода к труду, анализируя производственные процессы и внося изменения, например, в вес переносимых грузов и расстояния перемещений между рабочими станциями, чтобы повысить производительность.

  • Какие изменения произошли в HR с приходом Второй мировой войны и после неё?

    -После Второй мировой войны HR стали активнее участвовать в развитии лидерства, управлении преемственностью, психологическом оценивании при найме, а также разработке систем оценки эффективности, что связано с расширением и усложнением корпоративных структур.

  • Как изменилась роль HR с появлением технологий в конце 1980-х и начале 1990-х годов?

    -С появлением технологий HR начали играть ключевую роль в редизайне организаций, оптимизации креативности и инноваций, а также в вопросах психологической безопасности и организационного дизайна.

  • Какие основные функции выполняют HR в современных корпорациях?

    -Современные HR отвечают за широкий спектр задач, включая управление талантами, обучение и развитие, разнообразие и инклюзивность, управление компенсациями и льготами, а также аналитику данных для оптимизации рабочих процессов.

  • Каковы были последствия войны за таланты для HR отделов?

    -Война за таланты привела к усилению внимания к найму, улучшению бренда работодателя и опыта кандидатов, а также внедрению более продвинутых технологий для оценки кандидатов.

  • Какие вызовы стоят перед HR в связи с быстрым развитием технологий, таких как искусственный интеллект?

    -HR сталкиваются с необходимостью обеспечить наличие необходимых технических навыков среди сотрудников, управлять внутренними академиями

Outlines

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😀 История развития профессии HR

Первый параграф описывает историю развития человеческих ресурсов (HR). В 1800-х годах организациями управляли только руководители и рабочие. В начале американской индустриализации появилось иерархическое управление с высшим руководством, менеджерами, начальниками и непосредственно работниками. Персонал-отделы занимались операционными и транзакционными вопросами, такими как найм, оплата и обучение. В это же время начали изучать научные основы работы и влияние психологии на производительность. Важными моментами стали также развитие талант-менеджмента и уход за персоналом до пенсии. Важными событиями для HR стали Великие войны и рост конгломератов, что привело к значительным изменениям в роли HR.

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🤖 Введение технологии и изменение роли HR

Во второй части рассказывается о внедрении технологии в компании и осознании, что иерархия может помешать инновациям и росту. HR начали работать над организационным дизайном, психологической безопасностью и получением обратной связи от сотрудников. Появилась необходимость в аналитике данных, особенно с ростом количества данных в HR-системах. Разнообразие и включение стали важными аспектами, а также требования к техническим компетенциям сотрудников. Обучение стало одной из ключевых областей, где HR принимали на себя ответственность за организацию и развитие.

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🌐 Глобальное управление и трансформация HR

Третий параграф фокусируется на глобальном управлении и расширении отделов HR. Как только компании расширяются, отделы HR растут фрагментарно, что приводит к необходимости трансформации. Эти трансформации часто сосредотачивались на стандартизации ролей, оптимизации затрат и улучшении времени доставки услуг, но не всегда увеличивали стратегическую значимость HR. Важной частью глобального подхода стала также работа с технологической платформой и сокращение числа систем.

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🚀 Современные вызовы и внутренняя трансформация HR

В заключительном абзаце подчеркивается, что современные условия рынка труда, экономические колебания, глобальное потепление и другие разрушительные изменения требуют от HR быть консультантами и проблемами-решителями. HR должны быть экспертами во всех областях управления человеческими ресурсами и способствовать конкурентоспособности, продуктивности и управлению talent. Рассматривается также внутренняя трансформация HR, требующая развития навыков и компетенций сотрудников HR для эффективной работы в современных условиях. Исследование systemic HR предоставит руководство по эволюции ролей и улучшению эффективности организации.

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Keywords

💡Персональные ресурсы

Персональные ресурсы (HR) - это функция в организациях, отвечающая за управление кадрами, развитие и поддержку сотрудников. В видео речь идет об их истории, ролях и изменениях в сфере управления персоналом с 1800-х годов до настоящего времени.

💡Индустриализация

Индустриализация - это процесс быстрого развития промышленности и технологий, который начался в Соединенных Штатах в начале 20 века. В контексте видео это связано с началом иерархической структуры организаций и устройств труда.

💡Транзакционные операции

Транзакционные операции в области HR - это рутинные задачи, такие как найм персонала, оплата зарплат, обработка трудовых договоров. Они были основным функционалом управленческого персонала в прошлом.

💡Инженерия труда

Инженерия труда - это наука о том, как оптимизировать производственные процессы, улучшить условия труда и увеличить производительность. В видео упоминается, как Фредерик Тейлор и другие психологи изучали и улучшали рабочие практики.

💡Психология труда

Психология труда - это дисциплина, изучающая психологические аспекты работы и их влияние на человека. В связи с HR, она помогает понимать потребности и мотивацию сотрудников, как упоминалось в видео с примером Карла Юнга.

💡Суцессия менеджмента

Суцессия менеджмента - это процесс планирования и подготовки наследников для ключевых должностей в компании. В видео упоминается как одна из новых ролей, которые приобрели значимость в HR с развитием организаций.

💡Технологии в HR

Технологии в HR - это использование инновационных систем и программ для управления кадрами, обучения, аналитики и других аспектов. В видео отмечается их значимость для современного функционирования HR-отделов.

💡Анализ данных в HR

Анализ данных в HR - это процесс изучения и интерпретации данных о сотрудниках для определения трендов, эффективности политик и улучшения управления персоналом. В видео он упоминается как новая домен для развития в HR.

💡Равенство и разнообразие

Равенство и разнообразие - это концепции, направленные на 创建 и поддержание равенства и учета различностей в рабочей среде. В видео они связаны с программами affirmative action и современными инициативами по разнообразию и включению.

💡Инновация и креативность

Инновация и креативность - это ключевые характеристики современных организаций, которые HR должно поддерживать. В видео упоминается необходимость переосмыслить организационные структуры для стимулирования этих качеств.

💡Гибридная работа

Гибридная работа - это форма работы, комбинирующая удаленку и офисный режим. В контексте видео это один из современных вызовов, с которыми должны справиться специалисты по персоналу.

Highlights

The human resources profession has evolved from a back-office administrative function to a complex and important role in organizations.

In the 1800s, HR focused on transactional compliance and financial operations related to hiring and labor management.

The advent of industrialization led to the study of work practices by psychologists like Frederick Taylor, impacting HR practices.

Carl Jung's psychological insights contributed to the early focus on surveys and employee engagement within HR.

During the 20th century, HR expanded its role to include talent management and succession planning.

Post-World War II, HR shifted towards strategic roles, including leadership development and performance management.

The 1980s and 1990s saw HR adopting technology for more efficient management and introduced the concept of 'war for talent'.

People analytics emerged as a new domain within HR, utilizing data from various HR systems to inform decision-making.

Diversity and inclusion became a significant focus for HR, influenced by government mandates and social changes.

The rise of e-learning and online training platforms led to HR taking on more responsibility for employee development.

HR has become increasingly intertwined with technology, requiring new skills and capabilities to function effectively.

HR departments have grown and fragmented, leading to a need for HR transformation and consolidation of systems and roles.

Modern HR is expected to be consultative, strategic, and capable of solving complex business problems.

Systemic HR is introduced as a new model for the evolution of the HR function, focusing on a step-wise evolution and professional development.

The research on systemic HR aims to guide HR professionals and organizations on how to adapt and improve effectiveness in a rapidly changing landscape.

Transformation from the inside out emphasizes the need for HR professionals to develop skills in business, technology, and consulting.

The systemic HR model will be an ongoing effort, with continuous research and collaboration with HR professionals and organizations.

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I'd like to give you a brief history of

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the human resources profession that I

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think will help you understand where we

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are and where we need to go now as a lot

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of you know in the 1800s before the turn

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of the century organizations were

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primarily made up of management and

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labor and in the early days of the

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industrialization in the United States

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we set up hierarchical organizations

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with senior Executives senior leaders

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managers supervisors and then labor and

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labor was considered to be the hourly or

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replaceable oftentimes manual labor that

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would be trained for jobs they would do

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their jobs and if they failed we would

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replace them with other people and so at

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HR departments or Personnel departments

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did was basically take care of the

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transactional compliance and financial

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operations of the people part of the

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company hiring people hang them perhaps

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negotiating their salary or not dealing

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with labor unions taking care of some

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amount of operational training although

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a lot of that was done by the business

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and keeping records of who worked and

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what job and where they fit into the

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hierarchy and you know even though this

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sounds a little bit odd I've read books

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about slavery that show meticulous

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detailed records of the slave hierarchy

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which slaves were trained in which roles

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in which jobs and which skills and HR

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people do this kind of stuff around the

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turn of the century by the way this was

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also the time when Frederick Taylor and

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other industrial psychologists started

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to study the work practices in factories

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and realized that there was actually a

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science to this and that you know as an

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Industrial Engineer people could look at

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the rate the way people were working in

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these factories and make them more

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productive by changing the amount of

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weight they would carry the location how

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far they would have to walk between

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stations and other things and then Along

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Came Carl Jung and actually who was

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actually a disciple of Freud and looked

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at the psychology of work and so HR

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people started to become focused on

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industrial engineering a little bit on

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psychology and the beginnings of surveys

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and so forth started and so anyway this

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was all part of the transactional

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operational work that HR did and most of

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the people that came to work for

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companies in those days lived until

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their 60s maybe their 70s they worked

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for one company most of their career so

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there was also work to do in the

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pre-hire to retire talent management

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space to move people into new roles or

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new jobs and to take care of them as

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they got older and went into retirement

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Along Comes World War one and then World

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War II and all of a sudden we started to

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be conglomerates and when I entered the

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workforce in the 70s and late in the

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early 80s every big company was really

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the place to work and we wanted to work

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for these big can Walmart organizations

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GE IBM at T Etc they were great great

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companies and people dedicated their

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entire career to these companies and so

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what the HR people did is they moved out

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of this role of transactional

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administration and they moved and did a

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lot of other things they did succession

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management they did leadership

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development they did more extensive

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assessment of people for recruiting

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psychological assessments and I O

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psychology pre-hire assessments became

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very big they worked on pay bans pay

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levels Performance Management processes

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that were based on the hierarchy so that

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believe it or not in those companies

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there was a cascading goal process and

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you would oftentimes have goals that

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were cascaded up to the organization at

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the top and at the end of the year you

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would go through your goals and your pay

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or your bonus would be dependent on

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would be based on this role you played

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in the hierarchy and the role your

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organization playing the hierarchy HR

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people managed all that and to some

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degree they did not have a seat at the

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table because they were really managing

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operational parts of the people part of

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the company they weren't involved in

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strategic organization design not that

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much although you know Jack Welch to

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give him a lot of credit actually

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decided early on in his growth as a

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leader that the HR people were very

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important and a GE he actually pioneered

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a lot of work on culture and training

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and corporate universities and so forth

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that were very popular in the 1950s and

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the 1960s and became a new life for HR

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people so as companies grew into these

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conglomerates HR people started to get

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promoted into more sophisticated jobs we

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also started much more focus on surveys

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and annual surveys to look at engagement

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because we didn't want people to leave

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and then of course in the late 1980s

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early 1990s we started to adopt

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technology in our companies and we

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really realized that the hierarchy

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wasn't necessarily good sometimes it was

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getting in the way we needed to manage

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Innovation and growth and creativity and

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new technology systems and so the HR

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community and profession moved along and

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started to look at its role in

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redesigning the organization and

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flattening the organization in improving

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creativity and innovation in in creating

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more psychological safety and studying

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issues like why is one group developing

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products faster than another group and

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the profession got involved in the

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domain of of organizational design and

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even more employee listening to get more

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feedback from different parts of the

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organization on what could be improved

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companies like Gallup became very big

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and other Technologies used for

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listening and then we had what was

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called the war for talent around the 70s

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and 80s and it was around the same

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period of time McKinsey and others sort

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of coined this idea that if we're going

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to have companies that are very Dynamic

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and people are going to move around

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between companies now they weren't going

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to stay in one company their whole

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career we needed a fight to get them

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and the war for talent created this

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highly muscular focus on Talent

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acquisition and recruiting and there was

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a period of time early in my career as

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an analyst when there was a massive

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amount of energy in HR towards sourcing

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employment branding candidate experience

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better a faster Technologies for

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assessing people more intelligent

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Technologies for assessing people and

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later as a result of that looking at how

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do we maintain retention and how do we

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improve the internal mobility and by the

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way there was also starting to become a

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lot of data in HR and this data that was

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floating around in training systems and

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recruiting systems and core HR systems

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became a new domain of HR called people

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analytics so we could look at this data

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and we could figure out when people were

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leaving why they might be leaving who's

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getting promoted who's not getting

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promoted and also look at things around

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equity and Equity of course became big

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in the 60s during affirmative action

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when the United States government

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mandate dated a variety of programs to

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force companies including the EEOC to be

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fair in their hiring but the HR people

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responsible for that too and then that

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turned into diversity and inclusion and

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culture programs and now of course a

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whole focus on many many forms of

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inclusion many forms of diversity on

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this new debate going on about whether

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diversity is good or bad or legal or

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illegal and so forth but that became a

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big part of HR as well and then of

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course we have the acceleration of

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technology and suddenly we don't have

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enough skills and then the HR people got

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responsibility for finding technical

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people assessing technical people

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building internal capability academies

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for skills defining what the skills are

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working with the Business Leaders on

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different skills and we're still sitting

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in that world of course today and now

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dealing with the emergence of AI as a

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further accelerant of all of these other

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things of course the other thing that

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was going on during this period of time

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is the role of training you know

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training was typically done in the line

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in the early days of HR but then it

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moved into HR and HR got more and more

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responsibility for not just functional

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training and education but leadership

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developing building leadership academies

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crotonville other corporate universities

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and then when training went online the

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HR department took responsibility from

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e-learning for e-learning Blended

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learning learning the flow of work micro

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learning self-authored learning and all

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these other technologies that were used

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to train and enable and facilitate

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growth inside of the company so so

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through this Evolution the HR function

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that didn't need a lot of technology in

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the 1800s and 1900s and early 2000s now

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is desperately linked to technology in

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fact we now have research that shows

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that if you are not good at technology

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you cannot function as a high performing

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HR function in fact it is a big

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differentiator now it isn't just a nice

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to have now while all that was going on

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the number of HL roles exploded there

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are more than 500 or maybe a thousand

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job titles HR we have 92 capabilities in

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our capability model and we're missing a

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few it became very complex very

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multi-disciplinary the the folks in

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recruiting didn't know what the folks in

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learning were doing the folks in

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compensation had their own little island

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the Dei people had their own little

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island the folks that were involved in

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technology and data were sort of in

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their own little island so we had all

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these groups and of course in every

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company that grows while this is going

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on the HR department grows and the way

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the HR department typically grows is in

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a small company it's all in one place

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and oftentimes reports to the CFO and

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then there's a lot of focus on

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recruiting and pay and fairness and

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training and then there's a division in

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Europe or another office in another

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state or we buy a new company and

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there's a second HR department and the

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third HR department and a second hrms

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and a third payroll role system and

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multiple training systems and multiple

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recruiting systems and what happens is

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these organizations as they grow the HR

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department grows in a fragmented way and

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somebody wakes up one minute day and

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says why are you spending so much money

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on HR why do I have so many people by

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the way who's interfacing with the

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business versus who's working in centers

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of excellence we need a quote-unquote

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transformation and so for the decade or

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two before today we spend a lot of time

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with consulting firms going through what

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we called an HR transformation and

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oftentimes the HR transformation was

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driven by the implementation of a new

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platform well most of those

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Transformations didn't have nearly the

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impact everybody thought because all we

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really did during the transformation was

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we rationalized the roles and created

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what I like to call the 1980s I.T

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Department which was we we standardized

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roles in centers of excellence we

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created service centers we set up a role

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of a business partner you interfaced

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with the business and we optimized

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around cost reduction and time to

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Service delivery we didn't do a lot of

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training of the HR people we didn't do

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cross training we didn't try to turn

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them into Consultants we just tried to

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lower their cost and we have interviewed

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a lot of companies that have been

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through these Transformations and walked

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out of the transformation saying well we

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did save a lot of money but we're not

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very strategic and we're not very

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consultative and we're not able to solve

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a lot of the critical issues we have so

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those Transformations are what we call

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level two out of our four level maturity

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so anyway that was going on and the one

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thing it did do is it forced the HR

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function to operate in a global way and

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it got the number of Technology

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platforms reduced now here we are in

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2023 2024 in a very tight labor market

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rapid improvements and the need for new

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skills Industries converging with each

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other the economies sort of teetering

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with high inflation and various

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scenarios for growth and limitations of

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global warming and changing energy

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supplies and lots of disruptive changes

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and we're suddenly taking this

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organization that's been through massive

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change for the last hundred years and we

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wanted to do something different we

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wanted to be consultative problem

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solvers we want them to be experts on

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every domain of the people side of

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business we want them to understand how

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we can be more competitive how we can

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improve productivity how we can flatten

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the organization how leaders can be

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better aligned to what they need to

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spend time on how we can hire people and

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steal people from other companies how we

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can pay people more fairly and more

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equitably without going running out of

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money how to improve engagement and

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employee experience when everybody's

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burned out and has mental health issues

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from working at home how to implement a

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hybrid work policy how to use Ai and it

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goes on and on and on and so what's

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basically happened is this profession

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that started out as a pretty simple sort

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of back office administrative function

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has become very complex very important

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and very interconnected and as you'll

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read about in our research and what

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we're going to launch next week this is

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a new model now it isn't a step change

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this isn't we're not just launching some

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model and say voila here it is here's

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the unveiling go do this we're going to

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show you how to get there from here

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because what we found when we did this

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research and Kathy and Kristoff Kristoff

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and others here worked on this is this

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is a step wise evolution of your

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operating model the roles you have in HR

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the skills you have in HR what you do

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with technology what you do with your

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business partners how you're aligned

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with the business what kind of data you

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use and how it's brought together into

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different forms and the product or

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solution orientation design and

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implementation process you have for HR

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systemic HR is a very big idea and I

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don't think anybody will disagree with

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the idea but it's really a question of

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how and what we've done for the last

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year or two is we've figured out how

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we've interviewed probably 40 or 50 very

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large companies we've looked at lots and

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lots of data and I think really come up

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with some very important principles on

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how this function will evolve it doesn't

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matter where you are if you're a small

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company or a large company if you're an

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HR professional or an HR leader if

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you're a recruiter or an l d person or a

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tech person or a compensation person

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this systemic HR research will help you

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figure out how your role can change and

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will change and how your organization

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can be more effective I am very excited

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about it it's it's really in some ways

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the culmination of my work for 25 years

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as an analyst and the team here has

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worked very very hard we've validated

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This research with a lot of our clients

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and we're going to be working on this

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all we're year next year this is not a

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piece of paper that you read this is a

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whole set of ideas and practices that

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we're going to work on with you for the

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next couple years to help the profession

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evolve to help your organization evolve

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and help you involve and the final

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concept I want to give you is what I

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call transformation from the inside out

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the number one thing that holds people

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up in these transformation projects is

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the skills and capabilities of the HR

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people themselves we can't operate in

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the systemic high value consultative way

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if we don't know what to spend our time

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doing if we're unfamiliar with the

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domain if we're not comfortable with the

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Consulting process if we're not product

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oriented if we're not solution oriented

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if we're not falling in love with the

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problem in other words so a lot of this

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is also heavy duty focus on professional

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development of your HR team and that

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comes out very clearly in the research

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now that we're not back Office Clerks

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anymore we we've got to be really well

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trained on business on technology on

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people practices on psychology on the

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economy and of course the culture of the

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business that we're in and what will and

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won't work and that is a big part of

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systemic HR too so anyway join us on

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this journey you're going to see a lot

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more coming the introduction is taking

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place in October and there'll be a lot

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more to come through the rest of the

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year our research members of course if

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you either join the Josh person Academy

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or become a corporate member we will

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give you in-depth information

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benchmarking and tools to take advantage

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of all this but we'll certainly also

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communicate a lot of this externally

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because we want the maximum number of

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people to understand what we've

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discovered and really learn from this

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process thank you very much

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