Anhedonia Doesn't Have To Steal Your Future!

The Psychology of Depression and Anxiety - Dr. Scott Eilers
4 Sept 202326:58

Summary

TLDRDieses Video skizziert das Phänomen der Anhaftung, einer Symptom von Depression, die das Belohnungssystem des Gehirns stört und das Gefühl von Freude oder Genuss unterdrückt. Der Schöpfer vergleicht dieses Erlebnis mit einem akustischen Kammer, der stillste Ort auf der Welt, und diskutiert, wie man trotz emotionaler Leere an Erfahrungen teilnehmen kann, die zukünftig positive Erinnerungen hervorrufen können. Er ermutigt dazu, in schwierigen Zeiten aktiv zu bleiben, um zukünftige emotionale Belohnungen zu sichern.

Takeaways

  • 🧠 Anhedonia ist ein Symptom von Depression, bei dem die Belohnungswege im Gehirn gestört werden und man keine Freude empfinden kann.
  • 💡 Die Belohnungswege im Gehirn sind neuronale Übertragungen, die es ermöglichen, Emotionen wie Freude oder Begeisterung zu empfinden.
  • 🌐 Anhedonia kann dazu führen, dass man Aktivitäten einstellt, aus denen man normalerweise Freude hätte, was das Leben beeinträchtigen kann.
  • 🗣️ Anhedonia kann das Leben beeinträchtigen, indem sie eine Kettenreaktion auslöst, bei der man die Tätigkeiten einstellt, aus denen man keine Freude empfindet.
  • 🕰️ Es gibt drei Zeitrahmen, in denen eine Erfahrung Freude bringen kann: während der Anticipation, während des Erlebnis selbst und nach dem Erlebnis.
  • 🔄 Angst stößt oft die Freude bei der Anticipation von Belohnungen, während Depression und Anhedonia die Freude im Moment des Erlebnisses untergraben können.
  • 🔄 Manche Menschen erleben sowohl Depression als auch Angst, was zu einer Überschneidung von negativen Emotionen in allen drei Zeiträumen führen kann.
  • 🔄 Man kann in der Zukunft positive Emotionen über Ereignisse empfinden, die zuvor keine positiven Emotionen ausgelöst haben.
  • 🌟 Es ist wichtig, an die dritte Zeitachse zu denken, auch wenn man in der Gegenwart oder bei der Anticipation keine positiven Emotionen empfindet.
  • 💡 Trotz der aktuellen Unfähigkeit, Freude zu empfinden, kann es von Vorteil sein, an Erfahrungen teilzunehmen, die zukünftig positive Emotionen hervorrufen könnten.

Q & A

  • Was ist Anhedonia und wie ist es mit Depressionen verbunden?

    -Anhedonia ist ein Symptom, das häufig mit Depressionen einhergeht und beschreibt den Verlust des Genusses oder der Fähigkeit, Freude oder positive Emotionen aus Aktivitäten zu empfinden, die normalerweise belohnend sind.

  • Wie funktioniert der Belohnungspfad im Gehirn und was passiert bei Anhedonia?

    -Der Belohnungspfad ist eine Reihe von neuronalen Übertragungen oder chemischen Signalen, die durch Gehirnzellen passieren und es uns ermöglichen, Emotionen wie Freude oder Begeisterung zu empfinden. Bei Anhedonia wird dieser Belohnungspfad gestört, sodass diese Emotionen nicht mehr oder weniger stark empfunden werden.

  • Was ist ein Echokammer und wie ist sie mit Anhedonia vergleichbar?

    -Eine Echokammer ist ein riesiger unterirdischer Bunker, der von Microsoft für Sound Engineering oder Schalltests gebaut wurde. Sie ist so still, dass man dort fast keine Geräusche hört. Diese Stille kann unangenehm und unerträglich sein, was eine physiologische Version von Anhedonia darstellt, wo man sich von allen äußeren Reizen abgeschottet fühlt.

  • Wie kann Anhedonia das Leben einer Person beeinträchtigen?

    -Anhedonia kann dazu führen, dass Menschen Aktivitäten meiden, aus denen sie normalerweise Freude empfunden hätten, da sie keine positiven Emotionen mehr erwarten. Dies kann zu einem Abstieg in die Depression führen und das Leben einer Person negativ beeinflussen.

  • Was sind die drei Zeitrahmen, in denen eine Erfahrung Freude bringen kann?

    -Die drei Zeitrahmen sind: während der Erfahrung, während der Vorfreude auf die Erfahrung und nach der Erfahrung, wenn man sich an sie erinnert. Anhedonia kann die Fähigkeit stören, Freude während oder vor der Erfahrung zu empfinden, aber manchmal kann man später in der Zukunft Freude empfinden, wenn man an die Erfahrung zurückdenkt.

  • Warum kann es wichtig sein, Aktivitäten während depressiver oder anxioser Phasen trotzdem zu unternehmen?

    -Es ist wichtig, weil diese Aktivitäten zukünftige positive Erinnerungen schaffen können, die man in einem besseren emotionalen Zustand dann genießen kann. Es ist eine Art, in die Zukunft zu investieren, indem man sich emotionale Möglichkeiten erstellt, die man später nutzen kann.

  • Wie kann man mit der Vorstellung umgehen, dass man in Zukunft möglicherweise an Aktivitäten Freude finden kann, wenn man sie im Moment nicht genießt?

    -Man kann versuchen, sich zu überzeugen oder zu glauben, dass man sich in Zukunft in einem gesünderen emotionalen Zustand befinden wird und dann die Emotionen, die man während depressiver oder anxioser Phasen nicht empfunden hat, nachvollziehen kann.

  • Was passiert, wenn man während depressiver oder anxioser Phasen keine memorablen Erfahrungen macht?

    -Wenn man keine memorablen Erfahrungen macht, kann dies zu einem leeren Bereich im Leben führen, in dem es an bedeutsamen Erinnerungen mangelt. Dies kann das Gefühl verstärken, als ob man das Leben nicht vollständig erlebt hat.

  • Wie kann man praktisch die Idee umsetzen, auch während depressiver oder anxioser Phasen an Aktivitäten teilzunehmen?

    -Man kann sich auf die Idee konzentrieren, dass man sich diese Erfahrungen als Investition in die Zukunft ansieht, die man später nutzen kann. Man kann auch versuchen, sich an positive Aspekte der Aktivitäten zu erinnern und sich auf die Möglichkeit zu konzentrieren, dass man sich in Zukunft freut, dass man sie überstanden hat.

  • Was ist der Hauptzweck des Erzählers in diesem Skript?

    -Der Hauptzweck des Erzählers ist es, anderen zu helfen, indem er sein eigenes Erlebnis teilt und die Idee vermittelt, dass man auch in schwierigen Zeiten an Aktivitäten teilnehmen sollte, um positive Erinnerungen für die Zukunft zu schaffen.

Outlines

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🧠 Anhedonia und die Belohnungspfade im Gehirn

Der erste Absatz behandelt das Konzept der Anhedonia, einer Symptom von Depression, die durch Störungen im Belohnungspfad im Gehirn verursacht wird. Dieser Pfade ermöglichen es dem Gehirn, Emotionen wie Freude oder Begeisterung zu empfinden. Anhedonia manifestiert sich, wenn diese neuronalen Übertragungen gestört werden, was dazu führt, dass normale Freuden empfunden werden, was zu einer Reihe von negativen Folgen wie dem Verlust des Interesses an Aktivitäten und dem Rückzug aus dem sozialen Leben führen kann.

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🕰 Die Zeiträume der Erfahrungsfreude

Der zweite Absatz konzentriert sich auf die verschiedenen Zeiträume, in denen eine Erfahrung Freude bringen kann: während der Erfahrung, in der Vorstellung darauf oder nach der Erfahrung selbst. Es wird erklärt, dass wir oft nur auf die aktuelle Erfahrung achten, während die anderen beiden Zeiträume, die Vorfreude und die Rückblende, ebenso wichtig sind. Der Sprecher verwendet das Beispiel eines.echoischen Raumes, der von Microsoft gebaut wurde, um die Stille und die Unannehmlichkeiten, die daraus resultieren können, zu veranschaulichen.

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🚗 Stress und die Vorfreude auf positive Ereignisse

In diesem Absatz wird beschrieben, wie Angst und Stress die Vorfreude auf positive Ereignisse untergraben können. Der Sprecher gibt ein persönliches Beispiel seiner eigenen Erfahrung, als er mit seiner Familie nach Chicago fuhr, um sein Kind zum Aquarium zu bringen. Obwohl er wusste, dass es eine positive Erfahrung sein würde, war er von der Vorfreude auf die Reise durch die Stadt芝加哥 gestresst, was die Freude der Vorbereitung auf die Reise beeinträchtigte.

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🌊 Anhedonia und das Erlebnis des heutigen Moments

Der vierte Absatz besagt, dass manchmal die Erwartung auf eine positive Erfahrung durch Depression und Anhedonia beeinträchtigt wird, was dazu führt, dass man das Erlebnis im Moment nicht so genießt, wie es eigentlich sein sollte. Der Sprecher erzählt von einer Tauchreise, die er mit seinem Vater in seiner Adoleszenz machte, und wie er trotz der atemberaubenden Umgebung und der Tatsache, dass es ein Traum war, keine emotionale Verbindung zu den Ereignissen auf der Reise empfand.

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🌟 Investition in die Zukunft durch heutige Erfahrungen

Der fünfte Absatz betont die Bedeutung, auch in Zeiten von Depression und Angst an Erfahrungen teilzunehmen, da diese später in der Zukunft positive Emotionen hervorrufen können, auch wenn man sie im Moment nicht empfindet. Der Sprecher teilt seine persönlichen Erlebnisse während einer Tauchreise und wie er, obwohl er sie zu der Zeit nicht als emotional belohnend empfand, heute Freude und Zufriedenheit durch die Erinnerung an diese Erfahrungen empfindet.

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💭 Lebendige Erinnerungen als Investition in das emotionale Wohlergehen

Der letzte Absatz unterstreicht die Notwendigkeit, auch während schwerer Zeiten an Erfahrungen teilzunehmen, da diese zukünftig positive Emotionen hervorrufen können. Der Sprecher reflektiert über seine eigene Adoleszenz und wie die Tatsache, dass er damals nicht viel tat, zu einem Leben ohne nennenswerte Erinnerungen führte. Er ermutigt die Zuhörer, sich dennoch an positiven Erfahrungen zu beteiligen, um zukünftige emotionale Belohnungen zu sichern.

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Keywords

💡Anhedonia

Anhedonia ist ein Symptom, das häufig mit Depressionen einhergeht und beschreibt die Fähigkeit, Freude oder positive Emotionen nicht mehr zu empfinden. Im Video wird anhedonia als eine Störung des Belohnungssystems im Gehirn beschrieben, was dazu führt, dass Aktivitäten und Ereignisse, die normalerweise Freude bereiten, keine positiven Reaktionen mehr hervorrufen. Das Beispiel des Videos, dass man in einer Phase der Anhedonia möglicherweise keine Freude an Aktivitäten wie einem Ausflug mit Freunden oder einem Kinobesuch empfinden kann, veranschaulicht, wie diese Symptomatik das Leben des Betroffenen beeinträchtigen kann.

💡Belohnungsweg

Der Begriff 'Belohnungsweg' bezieht sich auf eine Reihe neuronaler Übertragungen oder chemischer Signale im Gehirn, die für das Empfinden von Emotionen wie Freude, Begeisterung oder Errungenschaft zuständig sind. Im Kontext des Videos wird der Belohnungsweg als zentraler Mechanismus für positive Emotionen dargestellt, der bei Anhedonia gestört wird und somit die Fähigkeit, Freude an Aktivitäten zu empfinden, untergräbt.

💡Anticipation

Die 'Anticipation' bezieht sich auf die Freude oder das Erleben von positiven Emotionen in der Vorstellung oder dem Ausblick auf eine zukünftige Aktivität. Im Video wird darauf hingewiesen, dass manche Menschen Freude empfinden können, bevor sie eine Aktivität tatsächlich ausführen, was als eine Art Belohnung angesehen wird. Allerdings kann bei psychischen Störungen wie Angst oder Depression diese Vorfreude vermindert oder ganz verschwinden.

💡Post-Erlebnis

Das 'Post-Erlebnis' beschreibt die Emotionen oder das Empfinden, das man nach einer Aktivität oder einem Ereignis empfindet. Im Video wird betont, dass manche Menschen möglicherweise nach der Tat keine positiven Emotionen empfinden, aber im Nachhinein, wenn sie sich die Erfahrung wiederholen, positive Gefühle wie Stolz oder Zufriedenheit empfinden können. Dies wird als ein wichtiger Aspekt der emotionalen Belohnung betrachtet, der bei der Überwindung von Anhedonia berücksichtigt werden sollte.

💡Depression

Depression ist eine psychische Störung, die durch eine Vielzahl von Symptomen gekennzeichnet ist, einschließlich der verminderten Fähigkeit, Freude oder positive Emotionen zu empfinden. Im Video wird Depression als ein Zustand beschrieben, der Anhedonia begünstigt und somit die Fähigkeit, positive Emotionen während oder nach Aktivitäten zu empfinden, untergräbt.

💡Angst

Angst ist eine emotionale Reaktion, die durch wahrgenommene oder vorausgesetzte Bedrohungen ausgelöst werden kann. Im Video wird darauf hingewiesen, dass Angst die Vorfreude auf positive Ereignisse untergraben kann, indem sie den Fokus auf potenzielle Probleme oder negative Aspekte lenkt, anstatt auf die Freude oder das Vergnügen, das aus der Aktivität erwarten lassen könnte.

💡Emotionale Belohnung

Die 'emotionale Belohnung' bezieht sich auf die positiven Emotionen oder das Gefühl der Zufriedenheit, das man aus der Teilnahme an Aktivitäten oder dem Erreichen von Zielen empfindet. Im Video wird betont, dass emotionale Belohnungen ein zentrales Element für das Motivationssystem des Menschen sind und bei Störungen wie Anhedonia beeinträchtigt werden können.

💡Zukünftige Erinnerungen

Die 'zukünftigen Erinnerungen' beziehen sich auf die Möglichkeit, dass man im Nachhinein, wenn man sich in einem anderen emotionalen Zustand befindet, positive Emotionen oder Freude an Erfahrungen empfinden kann, die zuvor keine positiven Gefühle hervorgebracht haben. Im Video wird dies als eine Strategie vorgeschlagen, um mit Anhedonia umzugehen, indem man sich auf die potenziellen positiven Emotionen konzentriert, die man in der Zukunft empfinden könnte, auch wenn man sie im Moment nicht spürt.

💡Investition in die Zukunft

Die 'Investition in die Zukunft' ist ein Konzept, das im Video verwendet wird, um die Idee zu veranschaulichen, dass man Aktivitäten und Erfahrungen in der Gegenwart nutzen kann, um positive Emotionen in der Zukunft zu erlangen, selbst wenn man sie im Moment nicht spürt. Es wird als eine Art emotionale Vorsorge oder ein Investitionsmodell beschrieben, bei dem man auf die Hoffnung setzt, dass man später von den positiven Auswirkungen dieser Erfahrungen profitieren wird.

💡Lebensqualität

Die 'Lebensqualität' bezieht sich auf die allgemeine Zufriedenheit und das Wohlbefinden eines Menschen mit seinem Leben. Im Video wird betont, wie wichtig es ist, für die Lebensqualität zu investieren, auch wenn man im Moment aufgrund von Störungen wie Anhedonia oder Depression keine positiven Emotionen empfinden kann. Es wird argumentiert, dass man durch die Teilnahme an Aktivitäten und die Schaffung von Erinnerungen, die man später mit positiven Emotionen erleben kann, die Lebensqualität langfristig verbessern kann.

Highlights

Anhedonia is a symptom of depression that disrupts the brain's reward pathway.

The reward pathway involves neuronal transmissions that allow us to feel emotions like joy and excitement.

Anhedonia can lead to a downward spiral where one stops engaging in activities due to lack of emotional reward.

The concept of an 'echoic chamber' is introduced as a metaphor for the isolation of anhedonia.

The echoic chamber is a quiet, soundproofed environment that amplifies internal bodily sounds, causing discomfort.

Anhedonia can be compared to the silence of the echoic chamber, where external stimuli fail to produce emotional responses.

The importance of considering multiple time frames for experiencing joy is discussed.

Anticipation of an event can bring joy, even if the event itself is currently causing anxiety.

Depression can disrupt the ability to enjoy the present moment, even if the event is objectively enjoyable.

The future emotional state can be different from the present, allowing for retrospective enjoyment of past events.

The speaker shares a personal story of planning a scuba diving trip during a period of depression.

Despite not feeling joy during the trip, the speaker later experiences happiness when looking back on the memories.

The concept of investing in experiences during periods of low mood is introduced as a strategy for combating anhedonia.

Engaging in activities with potential for reward can create positive memories for the future, even if they're not enjoyed at the time.

The speaker emphasizes the importance of creating memorable experiences to avoid a 'black hole' in one's life.

The talk concludes with a call to action for listeners to engage in life despite periods of depression and anxiety.

Transcripts

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the most uncomfortable place to be in

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the entire world is your own mind when

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your feelings are not working properly

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if you've been here before you might

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know that I'm talking about something

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called anhedonia which most commonly is

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a symptom of depression anhedonia occurs

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when what's called a reward pathway in

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our brain gets disrupted your reward

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pathway is a series of neuronal

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transmissions in other words chemical

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signals that pass through your brain

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cells that allows you to feel emotions

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like Joy when you're doing something fun

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or excitement when you have something

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fun coming up or achievement or

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accomplishment after you've completed a

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task or a goal or or a to-do list item

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of some kind we aren't always able to

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feel these things and when the feelings

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that are normally present in our mind

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fade or even disappear entirely for a

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period of time all that is left is our

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thoughts I found myself thinking about

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this the other day after I saw a Tik Tok

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video about something called the I don't

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know if I'm saying this correctly an

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echoic chamber you guys might know what

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I'm talking about it's this like

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basically giant underground bunker that

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apparently was built by Microsoft for

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some type of Sound Engineering or sound

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testing purposes and it's it's literally

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the quietest place in the world it's

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like this giant

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underground Studio I guess you would say

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it's this huge room deep underground

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with just an insane amount of of noise

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cancelling or sound deadening treatments

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and Equipment inside of it and

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apparently it is so quiet in there that

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you can scream and not hear yourself so

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apparently this place is so quiet that

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you can hear it's kind of gross but

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apparently you can hear your own bodily

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functions like you can hear your heart

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beating you can hear your food digesting

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you can hear all the stuff that happens

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inside of you because there's no other

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sound to drown that out those are

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literally the because they're internal

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so they're the only things that are not

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affected by this like Echo prooof

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environment that you're in and

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apparently people cannot stand being in

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this this chamber for like more than a

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few seconds I guess in most cases

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because it's just so eerie and

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uncomfortable and unpleasant to not hear

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anything except for what happens inside

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of you

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so of course the first thing I thought

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when I heard that is that's that's just

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the physiological version of severe

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complete in hedonia that's what that is

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it it's when essentially you become

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closed off to all output from the world

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like it doesn't do anything anymore and

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that made me think it was probably time

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to do some more content on

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anhedonia so if that little metaphor

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makes sense to you you probably are

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going to understand what I'm about to

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say here but ANH hadon can literally

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steal your life from you because it

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creates this Chain Reaction which I've

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talked about on here before where once

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things if you're in a period where

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nothing is feeling good to you where you

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don't look forward to anything or don't

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enjoy anything a very natural

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consequence of that is going to be that

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you stop doing those things because

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essentially at that point you feel like

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you're working for free I'm doing these

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things I'm getting no emotional reward

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from doing these things therefore I do

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not wish to continue doing these things

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and and that's often where our lives

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when we're dealing with and I'm I'm just

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going to say depression I know there's

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other reasons people experience in honia

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but I'm going to assume you know if

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you're following this content at this

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point it's probably because you you

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understand the experience of depression

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so when you're in a depressive episode

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and you stop doing these things you stop

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in some cases doing anything right

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sometimes we stop interacting with

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people taking care of ourselves

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sometimes we stop eating I mean it can

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get that bad it it just starts to ruin

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your life you're in this downward spiral

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that that seems like there's no way out

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we've explored a couple other loopholes

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to that before but there's a brand new

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one I want to talk to you today and it

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relates to time frames there's a way

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that even in the midst of that complete

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void of reward that complete absence of

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positive feeling that you can still keep

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your life going and that it will

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eventually pay off for you so let me

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introduce the concept first then I'm

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going to give you a couple examples and

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then at the end we will really like

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solidify strategy that I want you guys

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to try here the concept is when we think

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about doing something like you think

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about going out with your friends or

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watching a movie or taking a vacation or

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something like that the time frame that

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we're thinking about when we try to

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determine will I enjoy that thing or not

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will that expenditure of time and energy

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and attention be worth it will I get as

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much or more from doing that thing as

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what I put into it we typically only

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think about the moment when we're doing

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it we think about it's technically the

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future when you're thinking about it but

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it's what will be the present when

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you're engaging in the behavior

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hopefully that made sense so again

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you're thinking about going out with

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friends the question you ask yourself is

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will I enjoy the period of time that I

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am with those people I know you may not

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actually be narratively asking that

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question in your head but when you try

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to decide should I go or not that's

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essenti that's the underlying question

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that you're actually trying to answer

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right is it worth it that question is a

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mistake because it is only considering

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one of the three time frames in which an

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experience can bring you Joy any

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experience that you may do in the future

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can bring you Joy while you're doing it

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that's the obvious one I don't really

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think I need to explain that anymore do

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you does it feel good while you're doing

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it that that's the question there some

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things bring us joy or excitement or

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other forms of reward before we actually

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do them and I'm sure you've experienced

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that right you've been excited to do

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things that haven't happened yet because

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you thought they were probably going to

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feel good or you thought they'd probably

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be a good experience or sometimes when

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we're really deep in the depths of a

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depression sometimes one of the things

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that keeps us going is like I got that

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concert in a month or I'm going to that

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convention in two months and I really

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don't want to miss these things and so

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even though I'm not enjoying my life

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right now I'm going to stick around a

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bit longer because I want to make sure I

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get this experience I think this

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experience even in the midst of this

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Darkness I'm in I think that day that

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week that moment whatever is going to be

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a good one so you can get reward from

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just anticipating an experience right

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the third one that I think this this is

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the real takeaway message from this

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episode the third time frame is after

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and you can enjoy an experience after it

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has happened

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even if you did not enjoy the

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anticipation of experience or the

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experience itself so even if in other

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words leading up to it you weren't that

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excited about it and you went and did it

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it still didn't feel good you may still

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experience an emotional reward from

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having done that thing later on in your

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life it might be the next day it might

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be the next week it might be months or

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years later but it can happen and we

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typically fake

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to consider that third time frame we

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usually only focus on the present

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sometimes present and the anticipation

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and if we don't see much possibility for

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reward we usually turn down the

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opportunity I'm not going to look

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forward to it I'm not going to like

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doing it therefore I'm not going to do

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it this is how we end up in those

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Vicious Cycles where we basically just

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don't do anything because our brains

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trick us into thinking nothing is

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worthwhile and we don't consider the

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third time frame I know that this is a

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little little bit of an abstract idea so

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I'm going to give you two examples here

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of how this can get disrupted and how

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you can overcome it so anxiety tends to

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disrupt anticipation of reward the most

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this they all flow together to some

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degree but if you have a chronic anxiety

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disorder what you probably know is when

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you make plans the P even even if it's

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something you really want to do

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something you're really excited about

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something you're passionate about the

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period of time between having made the

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plan and actually doing the thing is

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often an unpleasant period of time right

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because you start to stress you start to

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think about all the things that could go

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wrong or you know all the ways you might

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make a fool out of yourself or what's

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going to be difficult about it and often

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with anxiety we don't enjoy the buildup

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to even positive or Pleasant events even

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if we believe we are likely to enjoy the

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event itself give you an example of this

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a few weeks back we planned to trip to

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Chicago for my daughter's birthday our

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daughter's birthday I should say she

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doesn't belong only to me because she

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really loves aquariums and the Shed

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Aquarium of course is one of the

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greatest aquariums in the world and

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she'd never seen it so it seemed like a

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no-brainer I currently live in a city of

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about 125,000 people and that's honestly

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about my limit I'm not a city guy um I

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don't like driving in cities I don't

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like parking in cities I don't like

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walking in cities I like big open spaces

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and acreages and forests and lakes and

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long roads with few cars on them I'm a

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country guy that's that's my comfort

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zone right and so even though I knew

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that this was going to be a good

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experience not just for her but for all

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of us I knew we were going to enjoy it I

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did not experience a lot of excitement

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or joy in the period of time between

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scheduling this Chicago trip and

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actually getting there mostly I

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experienced stress about the Logistics

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of the trip itself you know are we what

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kind of count what kind of traffic are

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we going to encounter did we pack

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everything honestly that's more my

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wife's job but um these are all things

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you know these are all things that can

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get messed up right these are all the

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things we worry about when we've got

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something big coming up so I don't even

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necessarily have a lot of anxiety in

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most situations these days once upon a

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time I did but my average anxiety level

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is pretty low on a normal day but

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driving through downtown Chicago at

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night is not a normal day for me you

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know some people live there I don't and

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so I had a lot of anxiety thinking about

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doing it and then even more when we were

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actually doing it so we got there Friday

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night did the aquarium stuff on Saturday

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the actual experience of it was mostly

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enjoyable it was a really good time and

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I knew it was going to be I wasn't

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doubting that but I had to like overcome

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I to climb this mountain first basically

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this mountain of my own stress about the

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traveling there about dealing with the

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toll roads and and you know where did we

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stop for gas how often all the kids need

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to pee all this all this stuff you got

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to plan right and so I only really

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enjoyed it in the moment I didn't I

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didn't get to enjoy that excitement my

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kids did because they didn't have to

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drive right so you know every day that

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got closer to the trip they are getting

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more and more excited I'm not but the

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actual day was good so anxiety tends to

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Rob us of the joy that comes from that

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time frame that first third of it and

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because of that we often end up not

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doing things right even if we know the

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event itself will be good we think about

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all the leadup all the build up all the

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stress we're going to feel between now

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and then and sometimes we decide it is

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not worth climbing that mountain I know

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the view at the top would be beautiful

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but the climb is just too much and I'm

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just not up for it sometimes when we are

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able to focus on how much we know we

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will enjoy it when we do it when we get

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to the top of that mountain when we

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finally see the summit and look around

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and say man look what I just did that

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that's going to be worth it so sometimes

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you can use that knowledge to push

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yourself past it sometimes you can't now

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sometimes the opposite happens and this

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tends to be more related to depression

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right sometimes we are looking forward

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to something and we do think or we do

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hope that it's going to be a good

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experience we are counting on that we

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are trusting that and when you get there

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when it starts and you finally start to

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you know finally in the moment that

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you've been waiting for for who knows

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how long and you

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realize I'm not feeling it and it's not

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because there's anything wrong with the

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experience like this looks the way I

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thought it was going to look the things

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that I thought was going were going to

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happen are happening but I'm just

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noticing nothing is really connecting

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inside of me right now I'm I'm looking

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at what's unfolding around me and I'm

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logically understanding that I should

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feel really good right now but it's just

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not there maybe it's only a fraction of

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what you thought it was supposed to be

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maybe it's not there at all that's the

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anhedonia kicking in and that's the

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depression disrupting your ability to

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enjoy the present moment

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now I suspect many people watching or

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listening to this experience both

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depression and anxiety and if that's the

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case then you get that really nasty

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overlap of I'm probably not going to

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enjoy the buildup to it because of my

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anxiety and I'm probably not going to

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enjoy it even once I get past my anxiety

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what's waiting for me on the other side

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of that anxiety is depression and anonia

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so even if I push myself through all the

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stress and all this burden to do this

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thing I'm still not going to get much

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out of it but you probably noticed that

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the time frame that's not factored in to

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either of those equations is that third

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time frame that I was discussing with

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you earlier the future the emotions you

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experience in the future when you look

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back on things you have done in the past

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are not the same emotions that you

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experienced when that thing was

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happening you need to understand this if

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you want to have any chance of dealing

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with depression and anxiety and anadon

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you can have emotions in the future

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about things happening right now that

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will be different than what you're

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feeling right now and it can go either

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way it's probably easier to think of

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examples when you have less Pleasant

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emotions in the future about something

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so for example you might have really

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good memories with somebody that now

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make you really sad to think about

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because that person is gone maybe it's a

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friend who you lost touch with maybe

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it's a family member who's passed on

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maybe it's a partner who you're not with

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anymore and these were good memories

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like they're not Memories when they're

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happening but you know what I mean these

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were good moments when they were

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happening you enjoyed them they brought

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you pleasure they brought you Joy and

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now because that person is gone or your

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circumstances have changed when you look

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back on this experience you feel grief

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you feel sorrow you feel loss you feel

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sadness you don't feel the happiness

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that you felt then

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but it can go the other way too you can

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experience happiness or Joy or

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achievement or accomplishment in the

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future about things that didn't feel

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good when you did them you need to

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factor this in if you don't want

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anhedonia to be able to destroy your

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life so let me give you an example of

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this one too and then we'll wrap up with

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some practical

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applications when I was 17 years old my

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father and I spent about nine months

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planning a scuba diving trip and

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something you should know about me a

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couple things you should know about me I

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love water I love fish and mid to late

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adolescence was the absolute worst time

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of my life and so essentially the

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circumstances here were this was a dream

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come true vacation being planned for me

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in the midst of one of my darkest

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periods of life so it was this there's

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this interesting overlap of this amazing

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thing happening at a time when I felt

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awful in my life felt awful and we we

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had to do all this buildup right so we

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had to we had to take lessons and get

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certified and um figure out where we're

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were going to go and like what kind of

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dive we wanted to do what kind of stuff

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did we want to see my dad took care of

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most of that but I did have a I did have

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a hand in that process and I

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remember not feeling that excited about

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it not because I didn't think it was

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going to be fun but just because I was

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thinking about you know the plane ride

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there and I was I was literally

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nocturnal at this point in my life so I

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was like what I'm going to be asleep

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during the day well he's going to want

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to do stuff and then I'm going to be

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awake at night just in a hotel room by

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myself with nothing to do while he's

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sleeping like how how is this even going

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to work so leading up to it I I I had

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more stress than excitement or joy and

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then you know we we did it so we fly

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there we get there and there's a moment

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I remember so distinctly which was the

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first day so we get on this charter boat

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we go like three four miles out in the

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ocean in the Florida Keys to some coral

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reef we get in the water and I'm not

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even we're not even under the water yet

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we're just floating on the surface right

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I got all my gear on we're just getting

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ready to get started and I remember just

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looking down in the ocean as I'm bobbing

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there in the waves and just seeing

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hundreds of fish of every color you

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could imagine just this unbeliev

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unbelievable natural beauty like I had

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never seen anything like that

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before and my logical brain was in awe

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and was like oh my gosh that is an Inc

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inredible site that is so cool and I

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actually this is a little weird but you

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might you might get it I felt that

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thought get to like like start in my

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brain and get to like where my emotions

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would happen and I anticipated this

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feeling of like awe like or Joy or

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reward like like wow what an amazing

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thing this is and it just stopped like

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it hit a brick wall and I I remember in

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that moment thinking like oh

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man Even This can't get through to me

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right now this is a dream come true and

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I'm aware of it even this can't break

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through that wall what am I going to do

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there's a few pictures of me on that

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trip um I might try to add them to the

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YouTube video just put them on the

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bottom here because they're it's a

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little bit funny to me now like it's

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it's not funny because we're literally

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in this paradise looking place right

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this wonderful tropical environment and

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then there's me my long black wet hair I

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was in kind of this goth phase my hair

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was wet because we were in the water

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obviously just pale as can be looking as

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depressed as a person can be like in

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paradise and it's just this crazy

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juxtaposition but it matched perfectly

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what I felt inside that the discrepancy

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between my surroundings and what I

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looked like was the same discrepancy

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occurring inside of me between my

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logical mind and my emotional World

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basically and it wasn't this is crucial

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other people in your life won't always

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understand this but you need to

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understand this about yourself it wasn't

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because I didn't appreciate it it wasn't

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because I didn't appreciate all the hard

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work that my dad put into planning this

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trip or or the expenses that went into

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it I'm sure it wasn't cheap it wasn't

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because I didn't appreciate the

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incredible natural beauty that

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surrounded me I appreciated and was very

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consciously aware of all of those things

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throughout the trip in fact I kept

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reminding myself of those things over

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and over and over again in an attempt to

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break through to my heart and to make

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this incredible experience feel like

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what I knew it was supposed to feel like

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and it just didn't work I don't actually

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remember exactly how long we were there

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for I want to say it was maybe three or

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four days it was a fairly brief trip and

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there really weren't a lot of cool stuff

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happened like that that thing I

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described just now that was just the

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first day I mean I remember we did we

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did a charter fishing trip we caught

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some really big grouper um a Mor eel

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swam between my legs that one actually

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scared me a little bit too but it was

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also kind of cool like there were a lot

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of amazing things that happened there

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were a lot of highlights it was a great

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trip but at no point did it reach my

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emotional world at no point during that

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trip did I feel this explosion of joy

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that I knew should be there so stressed

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leading up to the trip didn't really get

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much out of it when I did it waste of

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time right waste of money wasn't worth

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it no not true not true at all because

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when I look back on that trip now I feel

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incredible Joy because I I remember it

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it was such a memorable experience that

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even though I wasn't feeling the

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feelings I should have been those images

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there's certain just flashes of things

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that happened in that trip that were so

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memorable so

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memorable that they just stuck in my

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brain there they're core memories that I

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will carry with me for the rest of my

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life and now that I am in a different

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place emotionally than I was then my

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life is a lot different at 40 than it

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was at 17 I still have access to those

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memories they are still in my mind and I

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am now in a place where I can pull up

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those memories and replay them in my

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brain and experience the feelings to

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access the emotions that I should have

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had then it's a lot

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like when you're a kid maybe you

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remember listening to a song or watching

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a movie or reading a book that was a

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little too advanced for you and and you

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didn't really you didn't follow the plot

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or you didn't really understand what it

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was about and maybe you re-experienced

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that thing as an adult and you're like

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oh that's what this was about I get it

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now it's a lot like that feeling if you

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know what I'm talking about you can have

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an appropriate emotional reaction to

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things from your past even if you didn't

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have it happen even if you didn't

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experience that emotion During the

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period of time when you were

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experiencing that event I really hope

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that made sense I know it's kind of out

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there if it did if if it didn't make

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sense leave a comment and let me know

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and I'll try to use my text words to

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explain it better um if it did make

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sense then here's what I want you to try

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to do with that

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information when you're when you have

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opportunities to do things during a

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period of high depression or high

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anxiety or both I want you to keep that

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third time frame in mind I want you to

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try and okay this is asking a lot big

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leap of faith here okay but use me as if

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you relate to me use my story as an

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example because that means you and I we

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have some things in common right I want

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you to try to believe maybe even trust

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oh let's say be open to the possibility

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worst case

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scenario that at some point in the

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future you will be in a healthier place

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and when you are in a healthier place

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you will be able to go back and

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experience some of the emot tions that

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should have been present during the

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experiences you had in periods of

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heightened depression and anxiety if you

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can keep that in your mind and if you

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can believe in that and if you can still

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get yourself to do things during this

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phase of your life knowing I may not

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feel it right now but I hope that I will

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be able to later then you are basically

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investing in the future you're you're

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creating these emotional opportunities

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that you are going to cash in on later

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it's like putting money in a mutual fund

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you're probably not going to touch that

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money for a while it's not it's not

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going to help you pay the bills you're

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not it's not gonna really bring you a

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lot of Joy or excitement you know it

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goes they move

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slowly but you're trusting that at some

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point in the future you're going to be

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able to cash in on that investment you

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made that's what you're doing when you

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still engage in in experiences that have

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high potential for reward during periods

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of time when you cannot feel that reward

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if you don't do that what you're going

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to end up with you're you're you're G to

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end up with a period of time in your

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life that looks like my life from ages

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14 to 18 which is you end up with a

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black hole you end up with just kind of

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this blank space in your life where

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there should be

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experiences but there's just not much

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because you hardly did anything

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memorable for that 4-year period of my

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life I remember almost nothing almost

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nothing now there are probably many

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reasons for that too like I also wasn't

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taking good care of myself I wasn't

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sleeping well I wasn't eating right I

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was very sedentary um I wasn't managing

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substances as well as I should have so

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my my brain wasn't very healthy so some

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of it I'm sure is that my brain wasn't

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able to encode Memories the way it

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probably should have but that's not the

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only reason the other reason is I didn't

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do anything thing I I had very few

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experiences worth

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remembering and so it's all just a big

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blur of nothingness and I just have this

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Gap in my life where good stuff should

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be and I know now that although I

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wouldn't have felt much differently

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about my life then even if I had been

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doing a lot of things that could

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potentially feel good I would feel

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differently about my life right now I

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would have more happy memories to look

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back on I would have more of a sense of

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having lived in adolescence I I barely

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feel like I lived it like there's just

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nothing there so I hope that this makes

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sense to you like I said if it doesn't

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let me know and I'll do my best to

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follow up on it um this is a newer idea

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that I've been I've been kind of running

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through my head for about a week so

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anytime I have a new idea I always have

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to kind of like Let It Bake for a while

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first and I'm always a little wary that

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I might have taken it out of the oven

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too quickly so if you feel like I did

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today you can tell me and and I'll work

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on improving this idea but as always I

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hope you got good value out of this and

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if you did please take the time to share

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like leave a comment you know do

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whatever you can do to uh to help me get

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this message out to more people because

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that's all I'm trying to do you may

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notice I'm I'm not selling a course or

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or a product or anything like that I'm

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I'm literally just trying to help that's

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my only goal and you can help me by just

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putting my word out there to more people

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that's all I'll ever ask okay best of

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luck to you take care

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