I studied persuasion for 100 hours. Here’s what I learnt.
Summary
TLDRThis podcast explores the science of persuasion, offering practical tips to enhance persuasiveness. It delves into social psychology studies, such as anchoring effects and the power of subtlety over assertiveness. The episode features insights from Vanessa Bonds, a professor of organizational behavior and psychology, who discusses the misconceptions around assertive communication and the effectiveness of acknowledging doubts and building trust through mimicry and compliments. It highlights the influence of environmental factors like weather on persuasion and encourages ethical use of these tactics.
Takeaways
- 📚 Persuasion is a learnable skill; even those who aren't naturally persuasive can improve by following certain strategies.
- 🎧 The 'Work at Life' podcast by HubSpot is recommended for insights on workplace engagement and culture, particularly the episode discussing company culture experiences.
- 💰 In sales, a significant disparity in earnings among team members selling the same product indicates the impact of persuasion skills on outcomes.
- 🔑 The power of persuasion is not just about assertiveness; subtlety and trust-building can be more effective, as shown in various studies.
- 🎯 Anchoring, a concept from Robert Cialdini's 'Pre-Suasion', demonstrates the influence of setting an initial reference point on subsequent negotiations.
- 🤝 Trust plays a crucial role in persuasion, and tactics like leaving sales materials in the car to return for them can increase perceived trustworthiness.
- 🌟 Social proof is a potent persuasion tool, as seen in the solar panel sales example where mentioning neighbors' installations increased sales.
- ✍️ The way messages are framed can significantly impact their persuasiveness, as shown by studies comparing group-oriented to individual-focused language.
- 🌞 The context, including weather, can influence persuasion outcomes, with sunny days potentially increasing positive responses.
- 🗣 Mimicry is a subtle but powerful persuasion technique that can build trust and rapport with others.
- 💬 Compliments, even those with an ulterior motive, can positively affect persuasion by creating goodwill and increasing likability.
Q & A
What is the main topic discussed in the podcast?
-The main topic discussed in the podcast is persuasive techniques and strategies that anyone can use to become more persuasive.
Which podcast is recommended by the speaker for understanding workplace engagement and culture?
-The speaker recommends the 'Work at Life' podcast from the HubSpot podcast network for understanding workplace engagement and culture.
What is the episode of 'Work at Life' that the speaker particularly recommends?
-The speaker recommends an episode of 'Work at Life' titled 'Why people in the same company experience different culture and what to do about it'.
What is the sales model described in the script where salespeople receive two types of pay?
-The sales model described is one where salespeople receive a base salary and a commission based on the amount and size of the sales they make.
What is the example of a persuasive strategy mentioned in the script from Robert Cialdini's book 'Pre-Suasion'?
-The example is about a colleague of Robert Cialdini who, after his sales pitch, jokingly mentioned not charging a million dollars for his service, which unexpectedly stopped buyers from haggling down the price.
What is the concept of 'anchoring' as explained in the script?
-Anchoring is a persuasive tool where mentioning an unrealistic high price first makes the actual price seem reasonable and affordable in comparison.
What is the role of trust in sales according to the door-to-door salesperson's strategy mentioned in the script?
-Trust plays a crucial role in sales; the salesperson's strategy of leaving sales collateral in the car and being allowed to retrieve it alone built trust with the buyer.
How does the script describe the effectiveness of changing one word in a message to make it more persuasive?
-The script describes a study where changing the message from addressing a group to an individual made it more persuasive, as it resonated more with the reader.
What is the impact of expressing doubt or acknowledging a weakness in persuasive communication according to the script?
-Expressing doubt or acknowledging a weakness can actually make one more persuasive by building trust, as it shows a relatable and genuine path to conviction.
What is the influence of mimicking behavior in building trust and persuasive communication?
-Mimicking behavior can build trust, increase liking, and help guarantee a sale, as it shows similarity and creates a subconscious connection between the individuals involved.
How does the weather affect persuasive communication as mentioned in the script?
-The script cites research showing that people are more persuadable on sunny days compared to cloudy or rainy days, suggesting that environmental factors can impact persuasive outcomes.
What is the ethical stance the speaker advises regarding the use of persuasive techniques?
-The speaker advises against manipulating people with persuasive tactics and encourages awareness of these techniques to make informed decisions and feel comfortable saying no when necessary.
Outlines
📚 Learning Persuasive Techniques
The speaker has been learning about persuasive strategies to enhance their influence. They reveal that anyone can become more persuasive by adopting simple tactics and introduce a podcast called 'Work at Life' by the Hubspot Podcast Network, which discusses the intersection of work and life. The episode highlighted discusses workplace culture differences. The speaker then shares an anecdote from a sales team, illustrating the disparity in earnings among salespeople selling the same product, sparking curiosity about the persuasive skills of top performers.
💡 Discovering the Science of Persuasion
The script delves into the science behind persuasion, referencing Robert Cialdini's book 'Pre-Suasion' and his colleague's accidental discovery of an effective sales strategy. The anecdote demonstrates the power of 'anchoring'—a psychological tool that sets an initial reference point influencing subsequent negotiations. The speaker promises to share various persuasive tools and cites studies from social science that reveal the effectiveness of subtlety in persuasion compared to assertiveness.
🗣️ The Power of Subtlety in Persuasion
This section emphasizes the effectiveness of subtlety over assertiveness in persuasive communication. Vanessa Bonds, a professor at Cornell University, explains that assertive messages can lead to psychological reactance, making people less receptive. Studies show that more nuanced, suggestive messages are more impactful in influencing behavior over time. The speaker also discusses the evolutionary bias of psychological reactance and how it affects persuasion attempts in various contexts.
🤔 Acknowledging Doubt to Build Trust
The speaker explores the idea that expressing doubt or acknowledging a product's weakness can paradoxically make one more persuasive. Vanessa Bonds discusses the common misconception that certainty is key to convincing others, whereas sharing one's journey from doubt to certainty can be more effective. The section also covers the importance of trust in persuasion, how being similar to others can build trust, and the impact of mimicking behavior on sales success.
🎶 The Unexpected Factors of Persuasion
This paragraph uncovers unconventional factors that influence persuasion, such as compliments, the weather, and shared experiences like listening to music. Studies show that compliments can significantly increase tips for wait staff and positive attitudes towards a brand. The speaker also notes the importance of being aware of persuasion tactics to avoid manipulation and encourages listeners to apply these insights ethically in their professional lives.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Persuasion
💡Anchoring
💡Social Proof
💡Assertiveness
💡Psychological Reactance
💡Mimicry
💡Compliments
💡Trust
💡Influence
💡Certainty
💡Weather
Highlights
Persuasive techniques can be learned and applied by anyone to improve their persuasive abilities.
A podcast recommendation: 'Work at Life' which explores the intersection of work and life, and workplace culture.
Salespeople selling the same product can have vastly different outcomes due to varying persuasive skills.
The science behind persuasion is not just about luck; it involves strategies and techniques.
A sales strategy from Robert Cialdini's book 'Pre-Suasion' involves mentioning an unrealistic price to anchor the buyer's perception.
Trust is a key component in sales, and allowing a salesperson into one's home can increase trust.
Social proof is a powerful persuader, as seen in the success of door-to-door solar panel sales.
Writing persuasively can be as simple as addressing the reader individually rather than as a group.
Metaphors can significantly influence readers' perceptions and preferred solutions to problems.
Assertiveness in persuasion can lead to reactance, where people become less likely to comply.
Subtle and suggestive messages are more effective in persuasion than assertive ones.
Psychological reactance is an evolutionary bias where people resist being told what to do.
Expressing doubt or acknowledging a product's weakness can build trust and be persuasive.
Mimicry can build trust and increase persuasiveness in sales interactions.
Compliments, even with an ulterior motive, can effectively increase persuasion.
The weather can influence persuasion success rates, with sunny days being more conducive to positive responses.
Persuasion tactics should be used ethically and with awareness of their impact on others.
Encouragement to listen to other episodes for further insights into the power of first impressions.
Transcripts
i've spent the last few weeks learning
about persuasive techniques to try and
figure out what makes someone more
persuasive
turns out all of us even the least
persuasive people on the planet can be
more persuasive by following some simple
strategies so keep listening to hear
dozens of tips on how to become more
persuasive but first here's a podcast
i'd recommend
work at life is a brilliant podcast
brought to you by the hubspot podcast
network the hosts explore the gray area
between work and life and share data on
relevant workplace engagement and
culture topics there's one episode that
i think you'd really enjoy and it's
called why people in the same company
experience different culture and what to
do about it this episode highlights some
eye-opening data points from a study of
over 3 000 workers across the globe and
showcases why it's so important to
understand the differences in how
managers and individual contributors may
experience a company culture it's a
great show it's well worth a listen so
go and check it out
now i used to work at a company with a
large sales team there were around 65
sales people at this company and like
most sales organizations the sales
people received two types of pay they
received their base salary which was a
flat fee
and commission which was based on the
amount of sales they made and the size
of the deal that commission was a
variable fee it varied based on the size
now i remember chatting with a few of
the sales team at the pub after work and
one of them brought up salaries and
started talking about how different
people in the team made different
amounts and this was an eye-opening
conversation for a junior marketer like
me firstly i realized that some of the
top sales people got paid a huge amount
some made even more than the ceo but i
also learnt that others were paid very
little they struggled to make sales and
often failed to make enough money to
cover their monthly expenses this struck
me as being a little weird
the sales people are all selling the
exact same product and they're all
having to sell it at the exact same
price sure some sales people are more
experienced and some are more connected
but i didn't expect there to be such a
difference in the amount each
salesperson sold you wouldn't expect one
starbucks worker to sell two or three
times the amount of coffee than another
and yet this was happening at my company
to bigger levels
clearly some sales people were just more
persuasive
they got customers to agree they made
customers say yes and they did this more
often than their peers
but how
i wondered is it all a fluke or is there
some sort of science behind it well
spoiler alert it's not all fluke in fact
it's not fluky at all in today's episode
we'll cover the science behind
persuasion i'll show you tips you can
use to be more persuasive and you'll
hear from social science professor
vanessa bonds on her studies on
persuasive behavior
but first a story on how someone
stumbled upon a very persuasive strategy
it's an example from robert cialdini's
book pre-suasion a colleague of his was
struggling to sell his consultancy
project at full price he'd deliver his
sales pitch start talking through the
price and immediately buyers would push
for a 15 discount
this consistent haggling ate away at his
profit and eventually his margin became
so slim that he could barely pay to keep
the business running
then
during one proposal meeting he
accidentally hit on a maneuver that rid
him of this problem forever
it wasn't a bullet point list of the
reasons to justify the expenses involved
in the services he'd given up on that
approach as it only brought more
scrutiny to the price
instead after his standard presentation
and just before declaring his 75 000 fee
he joked as you can tell i'm not going
to be able to charge you a million
dollars for this
the client looked up from the written
proposal that they had been studying and
said well yeah i can agree to that
after saying that one line the buyers
would instantly agree on the price and
wouldn't attempt to haggle down
cialdini's colleague claimed that this
tactic of mentioning an admittedly
unrealistic price tag was a total fluke
he didn't mean to do it but since
realizing that it works he uses it time
and time again and no longer has to
haggle on price now this works as some
of you will know due to anchoring saying
it won't cost a million anchors the
buyer to that higher price and makes 75
000 seem fairly cheap in comparison but
anchoring is just one of the dozens of
tools that you can use to be more
persuasive here's another cialdini
example see when writing his book
chaldini shadowed top salespeople to see
what tricks and tips that they had
learnt over the years one salesperson
who did door-to-door sales routinely
left his sales collateral in the car
he'd knock on the door get invited in
sit down maybe have a cup of tea and
then once seated he'd say oh no i've
left my stuff in the car do you mind if
i pop out and get it
cialdini couldn't understand why this
salesperson routinely did this in every
single house he visited eventually he
plucked up the courage to ask the
salesperson and they revealed that they
stumbled upon this tactic years ago and
it's worked ever since the salesperson
said sales is all about trust if the
buyers will let me walk in and out of
their house on my own they'll inherently
trust me more because the only people we
let walk freely in and out of our house
are the people we trust
now the naysayer in me wants to see this
replicated in a study and peer-reviewed
and have some real evidence behind it
but we'll get on to some peer-reviewed
evidence on persuasion in a bit but
before we get on to the peer review
stuff here's one more example from one
of my ex-sales colleagues now down the
pub he was bragging about the best sales
pitch he had ever used it was while he
was working as a solar panel
door-to-door sales person at first he
went to houses in a designated area he
was given a postcode or or a few blocks
to sell to and he would do his typical
pitch and 99 times out of 100 people
would shut the door in his face and then
one day he happened to be on the same
road as his colleagues who were
installing some solar panels for a house
down the street
my ex-colleague this salesperson he used
this to his advantage he knocked on the
first door and rather than going into
the usual pitch he said hey we're
installing some solar panels for your
neighbors mr and mrs white down the
street and while we're here i just
thought i'd pop by to see if if you'd
like some installed as well
this was the persuasion hack he had been
waiting for now the majority of people
said yes they invited him in and signed
up on the spot now attentive listeners
will know that this is down to social
proof we are more likely to take action
if people similar to us are doing the
same thing so when we see people on our
street installing solar panels it makes
it far more likely that we will do the
same but it's not just door-to-door
salespeople with all these persuasion
hacks you can make your writing more
persuasive too in really an absurdly
simple way according to the results of a
study done at ohio state university
changing one word can massively improve
how people view a product now in the
study the researchers showed
participants two sets of messages
some of the messages were written as if
they were speaking to a large group of
people for example after all these years
people might accept that antiperspirants
just aren't going to get any better they
might have to even accept the ugly
stains on cloves well they won't have to
anymore so that message it's sort of
written as if it's speaking to a group
of people
the second message that researchers
showed participants were written in a
different way they were written as if
you were speaking to one individual they
said after all these years you might
accept that antiperspirants just aren't
going to get any better you might even
accept the ugly stains on your clothes
well you won't have to anymore
now that second message
was far more persuasive by focusing the
copy on an individual rather than a
group the message just resonated more it
also shows clearly that persuasion can
work just as well online as it can in
door-to-door sales politicians know this
all too well as a similar study from
stanford university revealed now the
researchers here exposed a randomly
chosen set of online readers to a news
account of a three-year rise in city
crime rates
one of the groups was told that the rise
in crime rates was akin to a raging
virus
so that's one group of participants told
us a raging virus now the other group
saw the exact same news account with the
exact same statistics except now it was
described as a raging beast one group
sees a virus one group sees a beast
later on in the survey the participants
were asked to indicate their preferred
solutions to this problem and it turns
out readers who initially saw crime
portrayed as a beast recommended
improving policing solutions rather than
improving education but the opposite
pattern emerged among readers who
initially saw the crime portrayed as a
virus remarkably this was a 22
difference and it's only due to the
change of a single word in a metaphor
this change was double the size of the
differences that were naturally due to a
reader's political party affiliation
which only changed the difference in
proposed solution by eight percent so
words matter they influence and persuade
us even more so than our political
affiliation
but let's get back to in-person
persuasion see some people think that to
be persuasive we have to raise our voice
and we have to be confident in our
suggestions
but is this the case well after this
short break i ask professor vanessa
bonds
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[Music]
now if we want to be more persuasive
should we raise our voice or perhaps we
should try and be more assertive
i wasn't sure this was the case so i
reached out to professor vanessa bonds
who spent her career studying influence
here she is quickly introducing herself
so i am vanessa bonds and i'm a
professor here at cornell university i'm
a professor of organizational behavior
and psychology
and i'm an experimental social
psychologist who studies social
influence but i study social influence
in a way that's kind of different from
the way most people do
most people look at how to get people to
do things or how to influence people i'm
really interested in people's intuitions
about how we can influence people and
whether they're accurate do we know the
best way to influence other people and
do we know the impact that we have over
other people every day
one of the intuitions or assumptions
that most of us have is that to be more
persuasive you have to be more assertive
we need to raise our voices and share
confident declarations i think we learn
this from politicians and other leaders
but is it true does it really work or is
there a better way to persuade i asked
vanessa
we think to be heard we really need to
increase the volume uh we think we need
to be more assertive we need to keep
pushing and try to get sort of that
concession right there on the spot from
another person
in fact the research shows that that is
not the best way to persuade other
people and that if you're too assertive
they actually bulk at that and
wind up in this sort of psychological
reactance where they're less likely to
hear the things that we want them to
hear so there's kind of this disconnect
between how we think we can influence
people in the best way by upping the
ante and sort of increasing the
assertiveness and the ways in which
we're actually able to influence other
people and so the study that you're
referring to
uh basically asks people you know if you
want to get someone to change their
health behaviors should you use this
kind of language that's more assertive
right all shouty and exclamation pointy
or should you use this language that's a
little bit more subtle that's kind of
suggesting that they make some changes
to their behavior
and
participants who were supposed to be
influencing another person actually
chose the shoutier more assertive
message thinking that would be more
effective
but when they actually looked at what
was more effective it was this subtler
kind of suggestive message and part of
it i think is that what happens is we
really want the satisfaction of seeing
influence right there if someone's not
going to sort of say you're right i'm
going to make this change right here
today now we feel like oh we didn't have
an impact and so we keep turning up the
volume to get to that place when in fact
a lot of influence is delayed and
cumulative and so it might be that our
nice subtle sort of suggestion really
sinks in a week later when we might not
be there to see it and get that
satisfaction but it actually is more
impactful in that way or maybe it is
sort of accompanied by a bunch of other
people's subtle suggestions and there's
this accumulation of suggestions and
then that has an impact on that person
but again we sort of want that immediate
moment of i argued really strongly i won
my point i changed someone's behavior
and that just isn't the best way to
think about influence if we really want
to change minds and change behavior
this study vanessa shares shows two
things
one most of us believe that we need to
be more assertive to be persuasive
but in reality being more subtle will
actually make you more persuasive
there's another study from the book
persuasion that backs this up a team of
dutch researchers found that they'd
struggle to get smokers to change their
behavior if they only shared assertive
messages about how bad smoking is
after all most smokers already know the
risk
instead they found that subtle messages
which highlighted steps to help a smoker
quit performed much better in changing
behavior in the long run see there's an
evolutionary bias that we've all
developed called psychological reactions
reactance basically means we don't like
being told what to do when someone in
authority tells us what we're doing is
wrong we feel compelled to disagree at
least in western cultures it's why in
the uk remainers struggled to convince
brexiteers to stay in europe the whole
remain in europe argument was based on
how brexiteers were wrong
the same is sort of true for hillary
clinton's supporters in the 2016
election against trump telling somebody
that they're wrong doesn't really
convince people
and it's also why meat-free firms like
beyond meat have slowly changed their
messaging over time originally beyond
meat's messaging focused on how bad
eating animal meat was but that only put
off meat eaters causing this reactants
eventually they switched and talked
about how tasty and popular beyond meat
is and sales have grown ever since but
what about expressing doubt
salespeople at my old company were told
never to talk about a product's weakness
to divert the conversation at all costs
if a weakness was ever brought up
but is this the best way to persuade
i asked vanessa
i think another thing that's kind of
related to that last study is this idea
that we think that expressing certainty
is the way to convince other people and
that anytime we express any doubts or
you know reveal that we previously had
doubts about something that that
undermines our argument
the problem is we often start out with
doubts and then once we you know
get a little further into a behavior we
start to feel very certain about it so a
lot of people who were vaccinated for
example had doubts about whether they
should get vaccinated then they did it
and now they feel certain that that was
the right choice but then those same
people try to convince other people to
get vaccinated and they often think the
best way to make that argument is to be
completely certain like clearly this is
the right choice right i have no doubts
instead of acknowledging that i did have
doubts and i came to this place and kind
of meeting people where they are and i
think that's another misperception where
we really think that certainty and
assertiveness and boldness are the
things that create change in other
people when a lot of it is meeting with
them where they are you know expressing
our own path um and acknowledging
uncertainties but uncertainties that
eventually led us to a direction that
we'd like someone else to go in
showcasing a doubt or acknowledging a
weakness can make you more persuasive
the reason why is the exact same reason
why that salesperson from earlier left
his sales collateral in the car
it builds trust it's the same reason why
waiters who tell people not to order the
lobster because it's not fresh today
end up with higher tips and a higher
total order value there's another really
easy way to build trust people who are
similar to us will naturally receive
more trust we have a bias for people
like us and tend to trust them more now
this leads as you can imagine to some
awful prejudices but it also shows why a
good salesperson will try and act just
like you you'll know when you've met a
good salesperson because they will
literally mimic your behavior if you
fold your arms they'll fold theirs if
you joke and laugh they will too this
isn't by accident mimicking someone can
build trust increase liking and help
guarantee a sale studies cited in robert
cialdini's book pre-suasion found that
waitresses coached to mimic the verbal
style of their customers doubled their
tips
negotiators coached to do the same with
their opponents got significantly better
final outcomes salespeople who mimicked
the language styles and non-verbal
behaviors like gestures and postures of
their customers sold more of the
electronic equipment they recommended
the more we mimic the more persuasive we
are in fact research shows that dancing
in tandem with someone can dramatically
increase how much they like you
one study in germany with four-year-old
children got the kids to play a game
some of the kids walked around a circle
with a partner whilst singing and
keeping time in their movements with
recorded music
other kids did the exact same but just
without the accompaniment of music
later when the children had the
opportunity to show helpfulness to one
another those who had sung and walked
together in time with music were three
times more likely to help out their
partner
if you want to build trust with someone
just listen to music with them and maybe
that's why so many of us find love on
the dancefloor
it makes you realize how simple us
humans are the reason you buy double
glazing probably isn't due to the
savings you'll make on your energy bill
it might just be because the salesperson
supports the same football club as you
or because the salesperson gave you a
compliment see compliments are another
persuasion hack in a really interesting
study in a hair salon stylists were told
to compliment the customers by saying
any hairstyle would look good on you
their tips rose by 37 just with that one
compliment any hairstyle will look good
on you compliments work even if there's
a clear ulterior motive chinese college
students who received a pre-printed
filer from a clothing store saying we're
contacting you because you're
fashionable and stylish developed
positive attitudes towards the store and
we're more likely to want to show up
there now that's hilarious right because
it's obviously marketing and yet that
clear fake compliment
worked
other researchers found that individuals
who worked on a computer task and
received flattering task related
feedback from the computer developed
more favorable feelings towards the
machine even though they were told the
feedback had been pre-programmed and did
not actually reflect their task
performance at all
so
it says one lesson here it's stop trying
to be assertive stop trying to raise
your voice start giving more compliments
and match the tone of your partner
oh and pay attention to the weather
one piece of research again cited in
persuasion showed that a man who
complimented a woman and asked for their
phone number to arrange a date was
considerably more successful when he
asked on a sunny morning versus a cloudy
morning 22.4 compared to 13.9 success
rates
sunny days don't just help you bag a
date individuals surveyed by phone
reported themselves as 20 percent more
satisfied with their experience as a
whole when asked on sunny days compared
to rainy days
so maybe go set up business in a sunny
mediterranean city
but seriously i don't want all of you
listening to go away and just start
thinking about who you're going to
persuade and how you're going to
influence them because you know these
tactics are great in your job and i
think people should take this advice on
board but we definitely don't want to be
manipulating people with these tactics
instead all of us should be aware of
them we should take note when someone
tries to use these tactics on us and we
should feel comfortable to say no when
we realize how others are trying to
persuade us with these tips because if
these studies show us anything it's that
we simply can't make 100
rational decisions we are extremely
persuaded by others and often for
inconsequential reasons like a
compliment or an offhand remark about it
not costing a million or even a sunny
day
now if you have enjoyed this episode and
you're wondering what to listen to next
make sure you go back and listen to
episode 29 of nudge it's called why
first impressions matter on that episode
i chat to the best-selling author phil
barden about his research into first
impressions he reveals that people are
persuaded not over time but usually in a
moment in a blink of an eye it's a
cracker and it's one of my most popular
episodes so if you haven't listened to
it before click the link in the show
notes to give it a listen or just scroll
down on your player to go and find it
massive thank you to vanessa bond for
coming on the show and for sharing her
wisdom her book you have more influence
than you think is a gold mine of
persuasive info give it a read to learn
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right that is all for today folks thank
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