Singularity Interview with Bob Anderson - Evolving Political Leadership
Summary
TLDRIn this inspiring dialogue, Robert J. Anderson, a prominent figure in leadership development, discusses the evolution of leadership in the face of unprecedented global challenges. Anderson, the founder of the Leadership Circle and the Full Circle Group, emphasizes the need for a new paradigm of leadership that integrates mastery, competence, consciousness, and spirituality. He speaks about his comprehensive framework for developing leaders and the Leadership Circle Profile, a tool praised by Forbes for its effectiveness in executive development. The conversation delves into the importance of embracing the unknown and the potential of human interconnectedness, as illustrated by quantum physics principles. Anderson advocates for a leadership style that fosters deep dialogue, collective intelligence, and a commitment to the flourishing of the Earth and its inhabitants. He also touches on the potential transformative impact of such leadership in politics, drawing parallels with the approaches of Gandhi, Mandela, and others, and the importance of personal and collective practices to access higher levels of consciousness and innovation.
Takeaways
- 🌟 **Leadership and Personal Growth**: Bob Anderson emphasizes the importance of personal development in leadership, integrating mastery, competence, consciousness, and spirituality over 35 years of work.
- 📈 **The Leadership Circle Profile**: Anderson's creation, the Leadership Circle Profile, is a 360 feedback tool that assesses leaders through a universal model, recognized by Forbes as a top executive development assessment.
- 🌱 **Foundations of Leadership**: The conversation highlights the necessity for leaders to foster a deep foundation of healthy leadership that serves humanity with integrity and passion.
- 🌐 **Global Challenges**: The dialogue underscores the reality that leaders face unprecedented global challenges that require a rewrite of civilization's foundational principles.
- 🔬 **Quantum Physics and Leadership**: Anderson discusses the relevance of quantum physics in leadership, particularly the concept of singularity and the inherent unity and wholeness that contrasts with the traditional separateness in society.
- 🌿 **Sustainability in Business**: The script mentions the example of Syngenta, a chemical company, that is reorienting its business towards sustainability and environmental renewal through agriculture.
- 🤝 **Collaborative Leadership**: The need for collaborative leadership is stressed, where leaders work together to navigate the unknown and foster innovation.
- 🧘 **Contemplative Practices**: The integration of contemplative practices that increase coherence and access to the universal field of information is suggested as a method to enhance leadership capabilities.
- 🧲 **Meta Capacities**: Anderson speaks to the existence of meta capacities in humans, such as remote viewing, which are often dismissed but are essential for the next level of leadership.
- 🕊️ **Politics of Unity**: The script suggests that a new type of political leadership is necessary—one that embraces unity and wholeness, as exemplified by leaders like Gandhi, Mandela, and King.
- 🌟 **The Integral Leader**: The integral leader, according to Anderson, is capable of embracing their shadow, working through personal and collective challenges, and maintaining openness even in conflict.
Q & A
What is the Leadership Circle Profile?
-The Leadership Circle Profile is a leadership assessment tool that provides leaders with 360-degree feedback through the lens of the Universal Model of Leadership. It helps organizations measure the effectiveness of leaders and chart a pathway for their development.
How has the Leadership Circle Profile been recognized in the industry?
-Forbes named the Leadership Circle Profile one of its top executive development assessments, highlighting its effectiveness and recognition in the business world.
What is the significance of the term 'Singularity' in the context of this conversation?
-In this context, 'Singularity' refers to the concept of starting from a foundational point of unity and wholeness, similar to the principles of quantum physics where everything is interconnected and there is no separateness.
What is the role of a leader in the current volatile, uncertain, complex, and ambiguous (VUCA) world?
-Leaders are challenged to navigate through overwhelming complexities and rewrite civilization's foundational principles. They need to reorient businesses to serve a new paradigm of unity, wholeness, and sustainability, and work towards renewing the planet.
How does the Universal Model of Leadership describe the stages of adult development?
-The Universal Model outlines stages from socialized mind, where individuals are largely influenced by external authorities, to self-authoring, where internal values and purpose guide behavior. It further describes a stage beyond self-authoring, where leaders recognize the ecology of conflicting opposites within themselves and engage in a more integrated, holistic approach to leadership.
What is the importance of embracing one's 'shadow' in the context of leadership?
-Embracing one's 'shadow' refers to acknowledging and integrating the darker or less desirable aspects of one's personality. This self-awareness allows leaders to avoid projecting these aspects onto others, fosters personal growth, and enables a more open and understanding approach to conflict and opposition.
How does the concept of 'interdependence' apply to leadership in the modern world?
-Interdependence in leadership emphasizes the connectedness and reliance on each other and the environment. It moves away from the traditional model of separateness and independence, towards a model that values collaboration, collective well-being, and sustainability.
What is the role of intuition and 'meta capacities' in leadership?
-Intuition and meta capacities, such as remote viewing, are higher-order cognitive functions that can provide leaders with a deeper understanding and insight into complex situations. These capabilities, supported by quantum physics, allow leaders to access a broader field of information and make more informed decisions.
How can the practices from contemplative traditions enhance leadership?
-Practices from contemplative traditions can help leaders achieve greater coherence, self-awareness, and depth of understanding. These practices can enhance personal and collective dialogue, leading to more resonant and effective leadership.
What is the challenge for political leaders in adopting a more integral and mature form of leadership?
-The challenge lies in balancing the depth and self-awareness required for integral leadership with the expectations and demands of the public, which may still operate from a more traditional and reactive consciousness. Political leaders must also navigate the complexities of gaining public approval while advocating for transformative change.
Why is the emergence of healthy, integrated leaders important for humanity?
-Healthy, integrated leaders are crucial for guiding humanity through significant global shifts and challenges. These leaders, with hearts and souls on fire for humanity, can serve as catalysts for positive change, fostering a more equitable, sustainable, and unified world.
Outlines
🌟 Introduction and Acknowledgment of Bob Anderson's Leadership Work
The speaker expresses their happiness at the opportunity to speak with Bob Anderson, a respected figure known for his work in leadership, spirituality, and business. They read from Bob's bio, highlighting his role as founder of the Leadership Circle and the Full Circle Group, and his development of the Leadership Circle Profile, a 360 feedback tool for leaders. The conversation also touches on a shared emotional connection, with Bob sharing his namesake's influence and a memorable experience from an event in Switzerland.
🌏 Discussing the Foundations of Transformative Leadership
The discussion moves towards the emergence of leaders who are dedicated to humanity and possess integrity. It emphasizes the need for a shift in leadership to act as catalysts for change on a planetary scale. The current state of the world is described as VUCA (volatility, uncertainty, complexity, and ambiguity) on steroids, necessitating a rewriting of civilization's foundational principles. Bob shares a personal moment of clarity regarding the concept of singularity and its relevance to quantum physics and leadership.
🌱 The Role of Leadership in Navigating the Unknown and Cultivating a New Paradigm
Bob discusses the necessity for leaders to operate in the unknown and to embrace a new paradigm of unity and wholeness. He cites an example of a chemical company, Syngenta, that is reorienting its business to be more sustainable and beneficial to the environment. The conversation highlights the importance of leaders working together and the need for a mastery of navigating the unknown.
✨ Harnessing the Power of Quantum Physics and Collective Intelligence
The dialogue delves into the concept that empty space is not truly empty but filled with immense energy and information. Leaders are encouraged to engage in deep dialogue to tap into this field of information. Bob shares an example of how a health care system developed a groundbreaking vision through collective inquiry and the use of contemplative practices.
🧠 The Interconnectedness of Matter and Energy and the Role of Personal Practices
The conversation explores the interconnectedness of all things as described by quantum physics and how this understanding can be applied to personal and collective practices. Bob discusses the work of a leading neurologist who views the brain as a transceiver of higher consciousness, emphasizing the potential for accessing a field of information through various practices.
🚀 The Evolution of Leadership Beyond Creative Leadership
Bob outlines the stages of leadership development according to the Universal Model, starting from the socialized mind to self-authoring and beyond. He discusses the need for leaders to move beyond creative leadership to a state of integral leadership, which involves embracing one's shadow and working through conflict without demonizing others.
🌈 The Potential for Revolutionary Political Leadership
The discussion considers how the type of leadership described could revolutionize politics. Bob suggests that while the current state of politics is far from this ideal, there have been examples of leaders like Gandhi, Mandela, and Gorbachev who embodied these principles. He emphasizes the rarity of such leadership in politics but acknowledges the potential for change.
🌟 The Challenge and Necessity for Politicians to Embody Integral Leadership
The conversation concludes with a reflection on the challenges faced by political leaders in embodying integral leadership while also meeting public expectations. Bob and the speaker express optimism about the potential for change and the longing in society for leaders who can guide with depth and wisdom. They look forward to continuing the conversation and exploring how these principles can inform future developments.
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Keywords
💡Leadership Circle Profile
💡VUCA
💡Singularity
💡Quantum Physics
💡Interdependence
💡Consciousness
💡Transformation
💡Deep Awakening
💡Coherence
💡Collective Practice
Highlights
Robert J Anderson has dedicated his career to exploring the connections between leadership, mastery, competence, consciousness, spirituality, and business.
Anderson has developed a comprehensive framework for developing leaders, known as the Leadership Circle Profile, which provides 360 feedback through the lens of the universal model.
The Leadership Circle Profile has been recognized by Forbes as one of the top executive development assessments.
Leadership today requires a shift from reactive to creative leadership, with a focus on high performance in a volatile, uncertain, complex, and ambiguous (VUCA) environment.
Anderson emphasizes the need for leaders to embrace the unknown and work from a place of unity and wholeness, which is a departure from traditional models based on separateness and disconnection.
The concept of 'Singularity' is introduced as a starting point for rewriting civilization and societal structures from first principles.
Leaders must be able to position their businesses to thrive while renewing the planet, as exemplified by the transformation of the company Syngenta.
The importance of deep dialogue and listening to what's emerging at the edges of inquiry is highlighted as a method for leaders to innovate and create a new future.
Quantum physics and the understanding of the universe as a field of immense energy and information are central to the new paradigm of leadership.
The necessity for leaders to develop a facility for working in the unknown is emphasized, as the challenges of the future are beyond current capacities to manage.
The potential of contemplative practices to enhance coherence and access to the universal field of information is discussed.
Anderson shares personal experiences that illustrate the transformative power of recognizing and integrating one's 'shadow' aspects.
The concept of 'Integral Leadership' is introduced, which involves a deep embrace of one's internal conflicts and the ability to stay open in conflict with others.
The potential for this type of leadership to revolutionize politics is discussed, with examples of leaders like Gandhi, Mandela, and King who embodied these principles.
The challenge for political leaders to operate from a place of depth while meeting public expectations is acknowledged.
The importance of cultivating leaders who can catalyze social transformation from a place of unity and interdependence is emphasized.
The conversation concludes with a commitment to continue exploring these ideas and their implications for the future of leadership and politics.
Transcripts
okay Bob Anderson
I'm super happy to have this opportunity
to speak with you so Bob you're someone
who I've known for I guess about 10
years now and um have always had such
respect and appreciation and love for
you and everything that you've been up
to in the world
um
yeah I'll just read a little piece from
your bio so anyone who is tuning into
this can
have a sense of what you've been up to
so Robert J Anderson
is the founder and chairman of the
leadership Circle and co-founder and
chairman of the full circle group
Bob has dedicated his career to
exploring the connections between
leadership Mastery competence
Consciousness spirituality and business
over the past 35 years he has worked to
integrate the best of leadership Theory
and research resulting in a
comprehensive framework for developing
leaders the first Universal model of
leadership to emerge in the field
the leadership Circle profile is a
leadership assessment that provides
leaders 360 feedback through the lens of
the universal model
the universal model and the profile
provide organizations of any size in any
industry with what they need to measure
the effectiveness of leaders
individually and collectively chart a
pathway for their development and then
assess their progress as they develop
Forbes named the leadership Circle
profile one of its top executive
development assessments
so
good to be here with you Bob
good to be here with you as well and
when you were talking about
a relationship I felt
the reciprocal love that I have for you
and appreciation for who you are
and maybe this gets us traveling but as
soon as you said the way you said it
Robert J Anderson
I'm named after my dad
and so he immediately
came into the field
as deep love I have for my dad who's
no longer with us
so he's here too
yeah I appreciate you sharing I'm
actually reminded of one of the really
deepest moments I had with you I didn't
anticipate I'd start talking about this
during this call but you sharing that
has me reminded of it where
we had goonie Baxter uh with us uh the
one of the events in Switzerland that we
were a part of these events were
bringing together leaders and
people uh spiritual practitioners and
people who had positions in various
different fields to kind of explore how
social transformation can happen on the
basis of a
of of deep Awakening in human beings and
there was a process that goonie ran
where
all the men were in aligned with each
other and all the women in align with
each other and there was an invitation
for us you know to bring in
the energy of all men through time and
the energy of all women through time and
the opportunity for people to connect to
both lines and allow that to
allow allow that to be felt in that
system and I remember I always stood
behind you and I had my hands
on your shoulders and I remember when
Goonies shared okay if you want to start
moving into space and tune into the
different you know energies in the space
immediately I knew I don't I don't want
to go anywhere else
you know I I was raised by my mother I'm
very grateful for that my father wasn't
around so much and just being in that
line of men
there is something you know there is
something so nourishing for me that when
I came out of that practice my friends
who were there
were like John you are beaming
I was I was like I just got nourished
with vitamins and minerals that
something in me waited so long to to
experience and part of it was being
there with you and
um yeah so you know I feel like there
was a bonding that happened for me there
with you and and it doesn't feel
different to how I experienced some of
the
yeah the Deep service and goodness that
your work has brought into the world
which is really about developing a
foundation of
healthy deep leadership you know and um
yeah and I've I've as I shared with you
just before this I've been the
conversation I've kind of been in with
you for 10 years and
but I always want to keep having with
you is around
how do we support the emergence of
healthy
integrated
leaders whose hearts and souls are on
fire for Humanity as one and who are
deeply in service and in integrity
with themselves and with those they're
connected to and with those that they're
leading with and the teams that they're
working with and so on because obviously
there's such a big shift that is asking
to happen on the planet like how do we
develop those leaders who can be
catalysts in that process so
you know I'd love to explore some of
that with you
well let's jump in yeah yeah so so the
context here is is also you know the
singularity for the for the development
of a political movement that is sourced
in the health and the needs and the
flourishing of the Earth as a whole
burst
know I just love to start like what in
your experience
what are the what are the foundations of
and what are the needs for the kind of
leadership that you see is really
necessary in the world today
well as you know we're at a
point of no return
it's that
imminent
and that serious
in the business
world we talk about vuca
volatility uncertainty you know it's
complexity ambiguity
and then there's Banny now which is like
Buca on steroids
and that's all true
leaders are challenged
mostly there
beyond our capacity to know how to
manage through it
the challenges are that great
not because they're not brilliant not
because they're not really accomplished
because the challenges are that great
and that's actually not even the full
expression of the challenge the full
expression of the challenges we have to
rewrite civilization altogether
um
um
the very
foundational principles
and the current order
is
imploding
it's in its last gasp
and we
have to begin anew
and rewrite
society and our relationship with each
other and with the planet
from first principle from
zero point
and Singularity is not a bad word just
to start
from
I was
a year ago I was in on an island
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um
off the coast of Georgia
family vacation and my practice is to
get up and go to the sun sunrise every
morning
drinking that
just just just incredible beauty and it
just opens my heart and soul
I was getting up to literally just
waking up and getting out of bed and I
heard loud and clear in my
voice in my head
the Infinity of light is your core
it was a declaration and it wasn't for
me
the Infinity of light is your core
an Infinity of light is singularity
and oh as as you know I've been studying
quantum physics for about four years
deeply
and Singularity is right at the heart of
it
more and more
this
emergence of the infinite into the
finite
at every point in the field every point
you
so
and of course in that system
the presumption is wholeness
there are there are no parts first of
all there are no particles or parts
there's no separate anything
that's the fundamental
nature of quantum is what distinguishes
Quantum from classical physics
is it's
unbroken wholeness it's
inherent Unity
and so this is
reality
and we're
we've built a whole civilization
based on separateness
and disconnection and Independence
rather than fundamental interdependence
when it's taken us
remarkable places I mean we've
done amazing
things but
we're now destroying ourselves in the
planet
and
and so leadership now is challenged not
only to take on the complexities that
are
overwhelming
but I need to position lead
reorient our business so that it's of
service to a new emergent
founded and
a new paradigm
of unity of wholeness of singularity
and somehow position the business to
thrive
and renew the planet
so
we are working for example with an
organization called syngenta
has been a chemical company
and um
this is all public knowledge so I'm not
speaking out of school that that kind of
chemical
uh is not wanted in most in a lot of
countries now because of harmful effects
the environment people and so on
so they have the challenge of
reorienting their business but they've
actually chosen to take on
and they've merged with other companies
and it's one of the largest companies
now in agriculture in the world
we can renew the planet with act through
agriculture
they're and they're serious about it
how do we rethink agriculture altogether
so that it's safe and sustainable and
actually reforest and renews the Earth
they don't know how
no one person could know how to do that
they're working with climate scientists
they're working with nature conservancy
they're serious
and
that's what I'm talking about hmm
that kind of leadership is now
required of all of us
and it demands
um
a kind of facility or mastery
for working in the unknown
um
like
because we don't know I mean literally
we have no idea how to
create that future
and so leaders are challenged more and
more to
lead
together into and from the unknown
and it's at that edge which is a scary
Edge
that
breakthroughs can emerge
something new because the unknown
the empty space is not empty
this is a part of the Paradigm that
needs to Fall Away
we think empty space is empty
there is no empty space
it's an immense field
the math actually goes to singularity
except it's renormalized at the Planck
scale
so that we can actually use it but the
math goes to singularities
Infinity
zero point
if there is that much energy in the
field and energy in now in physics is
information
so we're in a field of immense energy I
mean it's unfathomable how much
they did a calculation this is straight
Quantum field Theory one cubic
centimeter
of M quote empty space has more energy
in it
then is then is tied up in all the mass
of all the galaxies in the universe
so what's emerging is
a minuscule amount of energy
from The Source condition
and we're plugged into that
and it's an immense field of information
so leaders can with practice
open
together into a dialogue a deep dialogue
that's both safe and highly resonant
um
highly resonant
to be informed by what might want to
happen I was working with a
organization and I won't mention the
country but
um
was health care and they're the largest
Health Care system
in that country
and they came in because of the book I
was like it's going to get even crazier
and we're not ready for it we don't have
a clear vision and strategy as a
extended leadership team so we had the
entire extended leadership team for
three days
and the CEO came in and it's like okay
we got to get to it here's the agenda
here's what we gotta bing bing bing bing
uh great guy
um
and
he uh we just paused him and said could
we just get to get connected here and
kind of check in with each other
and to be honest with you I can't
remember anything we did
in terms of structuring that meeting
but at the end of three days a vision of
what they could be in that country
emerged that stunned them
they literally were
looking at the vision and the early
strategy and going
who would have thought of this
nobody had this when we came in
that will revolutionize Health Care in
this country
and we're the only organization in the
country that could do it
and it wasn't a competitive play it was
a cooperative play it was a they were in
tears
no
that's what I'm talking about
how do we
slow down create the resident field and
really inquire
um it's beyond sort of
really good
conversation it's a deep listening
uh to what's emerging in
at the edges of our inquiry
and um
that can be
enhanced with
both personal and Collective practice
practices
I think
that have been in the contemplative
traditions for millennia
anything that brings more coherence to
my field
to my body and feel everything's a feel
the body is a field there is nothing
that isn't a field
Einstein said that there is no matter
just now standard physics it's only
energy at a frequency what we call
matter is a lower frequency of energy
lower enough to be perceptible
protons iron particles their energy
structures we don't fully understand all
that yet but they're not particles
and they're not separate
the electron is not separate
it's an emergence in a field that's
Universal it's everywhere and it happens
to
and call it there's an excitation of the
field
we call the electron but it's not a
separate
it's emerging from a field which is
everywhere
so interdependence and wholeness is
built into the whole thing
and so there are practices which allow
us to access that
information we know this from our cell
phones information
travels on frequent microwave
frequencies resonance
and you've got a decoder that can decode
that
not different from our brains in fact I
just interviewed a leading neurologist
about to post it on our website
one of the top neurologists in the world
stroke epidemiology and so on he's
written
370 public academic papers public
peer-reviewed papers seven eight
textbooks
world renowned
basically is saying you're in the first
line of his book one of his books his
your brain is not responsible for your
Consciousness nor your thinking
it's a transceiver
it's a frequency step down unit from
higher
orders of
who you are
this dimension of who you to the
classical converting it into
electrochemical pulses and so on
um
so there's an emergent Paradigm that
we're understanding which
suggest that we can actually access this
field Einstein talked about it all the
time Point care talked about it that
this neurologist David Weber's is his
name
um
we got became very curious about these
practices and had spent quite a bit of
time and they were vexed by a problem in
health care that had to do with strokes
and I won't get into the problem but the
whole field was like stopped by the data
that was conflicting data about
aneurysms
and nobody could solve it everybody he
was at the Mayo Clinic but there was
this was a worldwide effort to really
significant bodies of research did not
line up
and he got the solution
one day boom it all came in at once
he calls them thought balls
and it took them 20 years to do the
research and it all proved out and it
wasn't him doing the research it was the
global
community of
neurological research
and it all proved out okay
significantly
improve their understanding of the
progression of
that disease the stroke epidemiology and
so on
that's
one application of this
same thing happened with that leadership
team
and so there are practices individually
and collectively dialogue practices that
we can
use I think that help us to
emerge the future
that's trying to come through from the
unknown
you release that's the kind of
leadership we need today more and more
and it's Way Beyond where the field is
the field is mostly working at what
we've called creative leadership which
is really important that you make that
step it's vital
from a more reactive uh
uh kind of leadership to creative and
most of the change efforts that we're
involved in
they're really clear
that if we don't make this shift the
kinds of organizational culture and
structure
that we need for high performance in
this environment that aren't going to
happen the leadership has to make the
journey or
what we're envisioning for a
the high performance of our organization
won't happen
and I'm suggesting that beyond that is
the territory where leaders need to go
but you give us Bob just a little like
Essence rundown of these stages of
leadership that have been part of the
universal model of leadership that
you've that you've developed so that
people can just just get the answers
where you're locating the type of
leadership that's really needed to do
yeah the universal is a bit of an
arrogant word it doesn't mean we figured
everything out
Simply means that it's it's a pretty
thorough integration of the field of
leadership psychology including
spiritual spirituality and so on
um and much of it every dimension in it
has a universality about it you know you
know
um it's
in every culture
you know so
uh we'll take one dimension
the need for
the need for Over Control
well we see that every culture east west
north south doesn't matter
be a domineering leader and there's a
whole psychology about that
so the first
adult stage development of course we
watch our children and a grandchild now
16 months and you watch you know them
morphing through variously adults can
morph too if they do the work and the
first adult stage is to enter Society on
its terms
okay I'm coming out of adolescence and I
there is a way things operate and I
gotta get on with it in order to get
along with it
so we take it on but we don't realize
we're in what Bob Keegan Harvard says
socialized mind we have adopted
a
large to a large degree more than we
know
it's kind of an autopilot
here's who I'm supposed to be and how
I'm supposed to be so we're authored
more by external Authority or others
than we know
and um
then
the core identity there
is you make me up
I'm living to your expectations
people in my immediate surround bosses
peers directs
but also
people in my past
bad churches culture Society all those
expectations this is who I'm supposed to
be
not to be that
is not to be
I lose myself I this is me this is
right so that's the socialize and it's
run by fear
uh I'm playing hard not to lose not to
lose face not to disappoint not to fall
from grace
not to lose credibility reputation
and Advance my career
it's a perfectly normal natural
stage of development you can't not go
through it
most will live there their whole whole
life
the next stage is self-authoring I start
to notice
my
autopilot need to have people
approve of me for example oh here okay
I'm okay if you like me respect me
admire me
and I can start to see the limitations
of that especially in complexity it
worked fine at some got me here it's
taken me so far now I'm in a reality
that's just far too complex for that
and I need to be able to
I'm good at good with people but I'm
overly dependent on people's approval so
I need to really step into power more
and be courageous and direct and
advocate for what I want that's just one
one form of reactivity I'm describing
but the notion is I I see the illusion
of it my worth is not in your hands you
do not Define me my future is not
defined by others I step in once that
gets seen powerfully
um I go what would I do if I weren't so
worried about who would I be what would
I create if I weren't so caught up in
needing to be so brilliant all the time
or
always chasing results always needing to
be in control
oh that opens up a whole new possibility
and so the self-authoring phase is
authored by an internalized self now not
an externalized cell
psychology they call it external versus
internal locus of control that's a major
fundamental step in adult development
I'm I'm now focused on
a sense of purpose and vision
that matters to me that I'm trying to
create it's an expression of my
Soul if you will
and I work collaboratively now with
others to try to
create an organization that's an
expression of that
contribution
very important and shift and
only about 20 percent of adults
maybe even less will make fully make
that shift
a 15 20 somewhere in there that research
suggests
some are in transition others are in
more of the reactive
and so what I'm suggesting is beyond
that it's beyond self-authoring I start
to realize there are many markers here
when I start to realize that
I am this self-authoring self
I am I've worked really really hard to
become an expression of
all that's important to me
and I'm also its opposite
this is where Jekyll meets Hyde
I love you and I could
I can I have parts of me that
if provoked would do you harm
would violate you
and both sit in me
I start to realize that my well-honed
perspective on
reality
especially in embedded conflict
is partial I don't have the whole
picture
hence the need for my opponent
right it they're bringing corrective
and so as I start to see myself as
uh an echo Ecology of conflicting
opposites
I don't project them onto you
I don't make you an enemy oh you're
you're I have that in me too let's talk
my position is partial so what are you
bringing to me
that I might not need wanna know but
need to know
or that we need to know in order to
really break through to a synthesis at a
higher order of
Innovation or
structure or application or
and so this is a very high order
operating system and about five percent
of leaders can
work there
and that's the work that I'm
now really trying to
articulate and bring in more
into the field
what's not
as present in the field is this access
to
our intuition and
The Meta capacities that we have but
aren't supported by our our separatist
materialist classical
paradigm
for example
they've done rigorous experiments both
in the military
and in major educational institutions on
remote viewing
the ability of people just to see
something
in another country with accuracy
given
Geographic coordinates or
whatever they're different ways they
construct the experiment and when you do
the meta studies the odds of that being
chance
for normal people this is not the gifted
psychics this is normal people
the odds Beyond chance
are 10 billion to one
so we have meta capacities that we need
now
and and they're mostly dismissed as yeah
that's a you know
touchy feely New Age gobbledygook no
it's physics
and we need it if we're gonna break
through so the kindness integral leader
can sit in
conflict
and stay open
what is it I need to learn here
what is my opponent even my enemy
trying to help me learn
us learn
a question showed up at Reykjavik and
said I'm here to deprive you of an enemy
right you
know that's the stance
that that's really what I wanted to ask
you about that kind of takes it into it
which is um
I feel like this is the last question I
have the opportunity to ask you today
but
how
I mean basically the kind of leadership
that you're speaking into there would be
revolutionary in politics
it would blast through so much of what
we even understand as politics
and I'm curious about that like how does
that feel to you like what what do you
sense is even possible there if that
type of leadership were to be cultivated
in the kind of political domain
well
obviously would change everything we're
so far from that we are so awesome man
in this country it's just horrific in it
we're not alone but it's just awful yeah
you're not alone yeah it's the it's the
it's early stage politics which is
polarizing and demonizing
uh
it's it's early
reactive the way it's being played out
if not stage is just prior to that
adolescent
opportunist and so we have a long way to
go in politics frankly
so how does it look in politics well
it's the politics of Gandhi Gandhi was a
political leader Mandela
uh King
it's very very different and it works
um
I think it was the politics
of Gorbachev
who can you could almost watch his
progression
um from you know a bureaucrat in Russia
to Leading parastrike and a complete you
know
move toward freedom and breaking apart
of the Soviet Union and Independence
on restoring of individual freedoms and
so on
and then shows up at Reykjavik and says
you know we're not so different you and
I we call each other these names
and I build bombs and so do you so
we're or dance Partners in a system
and I stopped the dance
I disarm
I'm here to deprive if an enemy so
we have seen examples of this in
politics
but it's rare
and
Even in our activism
no
which
we talked about before we started this
it's
punitive it's condemning it's
not coming from a place
of
see that the beauty of the integral
leader is they've come through the wound
I and I mean deeply
so one of the markers is the capacity to
engage in
embracing my shadow
embracing facing meeting
that part of me that would do you harm
would violate you and kings
uh centered it etched into one of the
walls as a statement how could I violate
you when you are me
and this is
physics now everything is emerging as
one from one
and
the Deep spiritual principle is Unity is
singularity I am you you are
me we are not
that fundamentally we are not different
we're different expressions of one
so
um
but then there's the Deep Embrace of
what's in me that's
the opposite of that
and as I do that work
personally
and collectively
we can stay open in a con in a bitter
conflict
and so a lot of the advocacy that's so
necessary that we change say around
climate change or
racism uh gender identity so on it's
like vital that we
make these Transformations but the
process is often
highly aggressive and blaming because it
hasn't yet come it isn't yet coming from
work a Gandhi or a king or a Mandela
came from which is a hugely open or
oh you're
you have that in you too let's talk
my version of that sounds a little
different but it's really not
structurally it's the same
and that's a very different place from
which to affect change
so I do think it's a big move it's a big
move in Inuits I said only about five
percent of adults are in this
capacity so to have it be politics which
you know the interesting thing about
politics is I have to please the public
and the normative Consciousness is
actually pretty early compared to what
I'm talking about so it's a real dilemma
for a politician okay
Jimmy Carter's a good example
Jimmy Carter I think was
breaking into this at an early level and
hadn't yet landed how to make it
really practical so he gets
criticized as being ineffective as a as
a president of the United States
rightfully or wrongfully but certainly
afterwards he emerged as a world leader
that is an example of what we're talking
about
there are others around the world I'm
less familiar because of
not being in some of those cultures I'm
sure there are other examples we could
point to here
yeah that definitely yeah yeah I mean
it's and it's still rare but it's
yeah I mean this is the type of
leadership that must arise now you know
it must arise in in the context that
we're collectively in and um
yeah I find myself
super inspired by many different points
that you're making and you know feeling
the
implications and invitations of what
that would mean you know for the
emergence of
political leadership because I I agree
that I think there is a
um a challenge a huge challenge for
political leaders to move from this
depth and at the same time you know deal
with
the expectations of them but as the kind
of leaders that you're mentioning
exemplify
there's such a magnetic yes but also you
know can come when you know there's such
a longing I think as well for
um for leaders of that kind of depth and
catalytic
energy and I think
um and that itself that itself speaks to
the polarity that exists within us of
how much we deeply distrust our and how
much there's a longing for
um more mature
examples of the leadership that is
needed so I feel like this is the common
this is a conversation I want to
continue with you Bob
um all right we'll close for today but I
would love to talk more into this with
you and absolutely generate you know a
field which can really inform the way
Singularity goes forward on the basis of
the
their wisdom and the insights that you
have generated and are generating in the
work that you're doing
I look forward to those conversations
any chance to hang out it's a good
chance yeah
thank you brother do that yeah
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