Elon Musk to Jordan Peterson: “Life had no Meaning”
Summary
TLDRDans ce script, l'interviewé partage sa quête de compréhension plus profonde de l'univers, motivée par une crise existentielle de son adolescence. Il discute de la philosophie de la curiosité, de l'importance de poser les bonnes questions et de la croissance de la population comme expansion de la conscience. Il aborde également les dangers de l'intelligence artificielle et la nécessité d'engager la technologie dans un sens bénéfique pour l'humanité. Son expérience personnelle, y compris sa difficile enfance, l'a conduit à valoriser le pardon et à rejeter la vengeance, influençant ainsi sa perspective sur la vie et les valeurs.
Takeaways
- 🔍 L'individu discute de sa motivation pour explorer et améliorer notre compréhension de l'univers.
- 🌟 Il mentionne l'importance de la curiosité et de la philosophie pour guider ses actions et sa recherche.
- 🧠 Il a eu une crise existentielle pendant son enfance, cherchant des réponses dans les textes religieux et philosophiques.
- 📚 Il a été influencé par l'œuvre de Douglas Adams, qui suggère que la quête de questions est plus importante que la recherche d'answers fixes.
- 🌱 Il croit que l'augmentation de la population est bénéfique car elle élargit la conscience et permet de poser plus de questions.
- 🌐 Il aborde la notion que la réduction de la natalité est souvent un effet du prospérité et peut mener à l'effondrement des civilisations.
- 🤔 Il questionne la culture actuelle qui peut être perçue comme antagoniste envers la naissance, considérant cela comme pathologique.
- 🧬 Il souligne l'importance de la recherche de la vérité et de la science plutôt que de suivre des idéologies ou des dogmes.
- 💡 Il compare la quête de compréhension de l'univers à une religion de la curiosité, où l'ignorance est acceptée mais combattue activement.
- 🛡️ Il défend l'idée que l'engagement dans le développement de l'intelligence artificielle est préférable à être un spectateur passif.
Q & A
Quelle est la motivation derrière l'engagement dans de nombreuses directions simultanément?
-La motivation est de chercher une meilleure compréhension de l'univers et de poser encore plus de questions à ce sujet, ce qui peut être poursuivi à l'infini.
Quelle est la signification de l'augmentation de la population selon l'orateur?
-L'augmentation de la population signifie l'expansion de la conscience et de l'intelligence collective, avec plus de personnes et de cultures contribuant à cette expansion.
Comment l'attitude négative envers la naissance est-elle perçue par l'orateur?
-Il est considéré que l'attitude négative envers la naissance est pathologique et devrait être remise en question.
Quels sont les principes fondamentaux de la philosophie de l'orateur?
-Les principes fondamentaux incluent l'acceptation de l'ignorance, le désir d'améliorer la compréhension de l'univers et la valorisation de la curiosité.
Quelle a été l'influence de Douglas Adams sur les idées de l'orateur?
-Douglas Adams a influencé l'orateur en lui faisant réaliser que la question est plus importante que la réponse, et que la quête de connaissance est essentielle.
Pourquoi l'orateur croit-il que la quête est plus importante que la réponse finale?
-Il est convaincu que la quête est essentielle car elle permet de poursuivre l'engagement et le développement, plutôt que de se complaire dans une réponse finale qui pourrait être insatisfaisante.
Quelle est la relation entre le Sermon sur la Montagne et la recherche de sens selon l'orateur?
-Le Sermon sur la Montagne encourage à viser le plus haut, à reconnaître la valeur intrinsèque de tous les êtres humains et à se concentrer sur le moment présent, ce qui est en harmonie avec la recherche de sens dans le processus.
Comment l'orateur perçoit-il l'intelligence artificielle et son impact sur l'humanité?
-Il considère que l'intelligence artificielle a pour but de créer une super-intelligence numérique, et que participer à son développement offre une chance de l'orienter vers un développement bénéfique pour l'humanité.
Quelle est la position de l'orateur sur le moral relativisme et l'idéalisme?
-L'orateur est critique envers le moral relativisme et l'idéalisme, arguant que les systèmes de croyances peuvent être évalués en fonction de leur capacité à améliorer la compréhension de l'univers.
Comment l'orateur aborde-t-il le sujet de la chute des civilisations?
-Il mentionne que presque toutes les civilisations prospères ont connu une baisse de leur taux de natalité, ce qui pourrait être lié à l'émérgence d'un hedonisme non puni et d'un égocentrisme.
Quels enseignements tire-t-il de son enfance difficile?
-Bien qu'il ait connu des moments difficiles, il estime que ces expériences ont apporté des leçons précieuses et l'ont aidé à devenir la personne qu'il est aujourd'hui.
Outlines
🔍 Quête de compréhension universelle
Le paragraphe 1 explore la motivation profonde derrière l'aspiration à une meilleure compréhension de l'univers. L'interviewé souligne l'importance de poser des questions et d'élargir la conscience, en citant l'exemple de la croissance de la population et de la diversité culturelle. Il aborde également son propre parcours philosophique, qui a commencé par une crise existentielle pendant son adolescence, et comment il a été influencé par différentes religions et philosophies, y compris l'œuvre humoristique de Douglas Adams. Adams a suggéré que la quête de réponses est plus importante que de trouver une réponse définitive, ce qui a été une révélation pour l'interviewé.
🤔 Accepter l'ignorance et la curiosité
Le paragraphe 2 se concentre sur l'acceptation de l'ignorance et la quête perpétuelle de connaissance. L'interviewé exprime son bonheur après avoir réalisé que la recherche est plus importante que de trouver des réponses définitives. Il compare cette quête à une religion de la curiosité, citant l'ancien dieu Marduk des Mésopotamiens comme un symbole de la lutte contre le chaos et la corruption. L'interviewé discute également de la nature de l'intelligence artificielle et de son potentiel pour devenir une super-intelligence numérique, soulignant l'importance de la participation active plutôt que de rester spectateur.
🌟 La quête de vérité et la critique des systèmes de croyance
Dans le paragraphe 3, l'interviewé plonge dans la critique des systèmes de croyance, en particulier de la relativité morale et de la postmodernité. Il soutient que les vérités ont des degrés de probabilité et que la recherche de la vérité est essentielle pour améliorer notre compréhension de l'univers. L'interviewé partage également son intérêt pour l'étude de l'histoire et de l'émergence et de la chute des civilisations, en soulignant l'importance de la naissance et de la croissance de la population dans le succès d'une civilisation.
🙏 Le pardon et l'importance de l'engagement moral
Le paragraphe 4 traite de la notion de pardon et de l'importance de ne pas se laisser guider par la vengeance. L'interviewé discute de sa propre expérience de violence dans son enfance et comment il a appris à ne pas être amer. Il mentionne l'histoire de Job et comment elle a influencé sa compréhension de la foi et de la résilience. L'interviewé conclut en soulignant l'importance de l'engagement moral et de la sagesse dans l'action, en citant l'enseignement de Jésus et la sagesse de ne pas répondre à la violence par la violence.
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Keywords
💡Motivation
💡Existential crisis
💡Douglas Adams
💡Population increase
💡Religion of curiosity
💡Digital super intelligence
💡Marduk
💡Evil
💡Postmodernism
💡Forgiveness
Highlights
The motivation behind pushing in multiple directions is the quest for greater enlightenment and understanding of the universe.
The realization that seeking more questions is a perpetual endeavor for civilization.
The importance of population increase for expanding the scale of consciousness and the number of minds.
The cultural antagonism towards birth is identified as pathological.
The foundation of the speaker's philosophy stems from an existential crisis at a young age.
The influence of reading religious texts and philosophy, including Schopenhauer, during early adolescence.
Douglas Adams' 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' as a pivotal book that shaped the speaker's worldview.
The concept that the adventure and the search are more important than finding a final answer.
The Sermon on the Mount's three-part instruction for aiming high, recognizing universal value, and focusing on the moment.
The neuropsychological basis for finding meaning in the process of striving towards a goal.
The idea that the question is more important than the answer in the pursuit of knowledge.
The religion of curiosity as a driving force behind the speaker's motivation.
The ancient Mesopotamian god Marduk as a symbol of vigilance and defense against chaos.
The speaker's vision for AI systems as digital super intelligence that surpasses human intelligence.
The ethical dilemma of participating in the development of AI and the desire to steer it in a beneficial direction.
The critique of moral relativism and the importance of striving for truth in belief systems.
The impact of a rough childhood on the speaker's character and philosophical development.
The historical pattern of civilizations experiencing a decline in birth rates with prosperity.
The concept of existential threats being necessary for moral and societal clarity.
The importance of forgiveness and turning the other cheek as a principle derived from Christian teachings.
Transcripts
so I wondered what's motivated you cuz
you push in so many directions
simultaneously you have to be really
highly motivated to do that and so you
figured out that the question in a sense
was the answer yeah the question or or I
said another way that seeking greater
Enlightenment and a better understanding
of the universe and more questions to
ask about it is something that we can
continue to do as a civilization for
yeah likely forever exactly so depending
on how powerful grock turns out to be
yeah that's so then I thought okay I'll
work on things that improve our
understanding of the Universe I know now
they say like at a base level this is
why I actually think we want a
population increase because population
increase means that there are more
people that we've expanded the scale
more brains man yeah we've expanded the
scale of Consciousness to the degree
there are different cultures we've
expanded the scope of Consciousness how
did you coton on to the fact that
antagonistic attitude towards birth
that's embedded in our culture now was
something that should be called out and
that was pathological I should perhaps
go back to what is the foundation of My
Philosophy because that I think helps bu
up to explain my actions so they when I
was I don't know about 11 or 12 years
old I had somewhat of an existential
crisis because it I there just do didn't
seem to be any meaning in in the world
like I no meaning to life and I actually
read try to read all the religious texts
at that age yes I was a a voracious
reader as a kid I obviously read the
Bible I read the Quran the Torah the
various but on the the Hindu side just
trying to understand all these things
and obviously as a 12-year-old you're
not really going to understand these
things super well but I've just you
understood it well enough to have an
existential crisis when you were 11 or
12 yeah I'm just trying does anyone have
an answer that that makes sense and then
I started getting into the philosophy
books and I read quite a bit of
schopenhauer N and which is quite
depressing to read as a kid yeah i' say
that that's depressing as as an adult
but and uh and none of them really seem
to have to me answers that resonated at
least to me and but then I read Douglas
Adams hit's Guide to the Galaxy which is
really a book on philosophy disguises
humor and what Douglas Adams the point
that Adams tries to make there is that
we don't actually know all the answers
obviously in fact we don't even know
what the right questions are that's
where he has this in in if you read the
book the Earth it is actually a giant
computer to understand
the answer to the the question what is
the meaning of life yeah and comes up
with the answer 42 yeah and feel like
what do it what does that mean it says
oh you actually you don't understand the
the real the thing that's going to take
a computer far more powerful than Earth
is to understand what question to ask
that's simply the wrong question so was
that the key realization that that
question that was that was a fundamental
Turning Point yeah yeah cuz that's it so
that's very interesting because one of
the things that you see constantly
portrayed in R of hero myths across the
world is that the adventure is the thing
and that the search is the thing rather
than there being a final answer as
absurd as 42 might be right there's no
the conclusive answer is something like
deep engagement in the process so so
I'll give you an example of that so in
The Sermon on the Mount the sermon on
the mount's a very detailed set of
instructions yeah so there's three parts
to it the first is aim at the highest
thing that you can possibly conceive of
and keep modifying that so your aim gets
better okay so that's number one number
two is make the presumption that other
people have the same intrinsic value as
you do we have to be careful about that
one okay let's discuss that but it's a
what would you say it's a recognition of
the Universalist value of everyone who's
made in the image of God it's something
like that but the third thing is once
you do those two things you can
concentrate on the moment see and that
seems to be even technically you can
think about this neuros psychologically
if you're looking for meaning meaning is
a form of incentive reward and incentive
reward is dopaminergically mediated and
incentive reward occurs in relationship
to advance towards a goal which is a
form of entropy minimization as it turns
out according to Carl friston who knows
the thing entropy is the ultimate boss
battle Yeah negative emotion signifies
the emergence of entropy and positive
emotion on the dopaminergic side signals
its reduction there's something that's
more complex there because the higher
the goal that you're trying to attain
the more intrinsic value each step
towards it comprises and that's
neuropsychologically accurate it's part
of the wisdom of The Sermon on the Mount
is that if you posit it the highest
imaginable goal then any step towards it
is that captures your attention is also
deeply meaningful and so that's an
answer to what the meaning is of process
rather than say something like 42 and
you said it seems to me that you were
intimating that your Discovery through
Adams that the question was the thing
was key to the resolution of your
existential crisis that's correct okay
so that's part of the reason that you're
motivated to say build grock three and
look in look deeper to understand the
universe okay so once how old were you
when you figured that when you figured
out that the question 13 or something
what did that do to you what did that do
to you I was a I was a lot happier after
that because now it's okay I'm just
going to accept that we are ignorant of
of a great many things yeah and we wish
to be less ignorant and anything we can
do that will improve our understanding
of the universe and make us less
ignorant and have a deeper understanding
of the the universe and even more
questions to answer ask about the answer
that is Universe which is I think Adam's
a central point is good and is this a
religion I don't know maybe it is but I
think it's one I'd call the religion of
curiosity yeah the the ancient god of
the Mesopotamians his name was Marduk
and he was the best defense against
ensuing chaos and state corruption okay
so that's how he was conceptualized okay
mic had eyes all the way around his head
okay cuz he paid attention right and he
spoke magic words okay right and he was
literally for the message he was the
agent that revitalized the tyranical
state and overcame evil and also the
force that dispensed with chaos and
built something magnificent and Cosmic
out of it yeah sounds like a Force for
good yeah the Mesopotamian Emperor so
his job was to embody that Spirit on
Earth and they used to take him out of
the city on New Year's Eve strip him of
his kingly clothing humiliate him they
slapped him the priests and then they'd
ask him to confess all the ways that he
hadn't been a good Marduk attentive and
speaking properly in the previous year
and that's how they renewed The Cosmos
every year and that's New Year
celebration is a derivation of that out
with the old and in with the new and the
Egyptians they worship the I right
you've seen that famous they all seeing
eye of Horus they all seeing eye of
Horus that's the antidote to the eye of
saon by the way cuz you get if you don't
use that Vision if each citizen doesn't
use that Vision it's replaced by the
totalitarian allseeing eye that's a hell
of a thing to know you talked about
delving deeper into the structure of the
universe let's say to answer fundamental
questions like and you are a remarkably
forward-looking person what do you what
the hell do you think you're building
with these AI systems what is this I
think really what what all the AI
companies are aiming to build is uh
digital super intelligence so
intelligence that's far smarter than any
human then ultimately an intelligence
that is far smarter than all humans
combined now now one can say is this a
wise thing to do isn't this dangerous
unfortunately whether we think that or
not it it is being done but really from
standpoint of from my standpoint from
the XI team standpoint we are really we
have the choice of being a spectator or
a participant that's life man yeah be a
spectator or or a participant and I
think if we are a participant we've got
a better chance hopefully of steering ey
in a direction that is beneficial to
humanity so why do you why okay so why
do you trust yourself on that front just
out of that's an important question
right I don't trust myself entirely good
that's yes fair enough okay an ethical
right ethical conundrum because you said
this is happening now the excuse that
something is happening is not irrational
for participating in it but then your
next take is we have the chance to do
this properly let's say Asos to okay
better I think we we from a moral
standpoint we really just need to think
that maybe we've got a chance of it
being better to some degree than what
others are doing and we will strive to
avoid some of the pitfalls or directions
that the others are going in because the
others from what I've seen do not strive
for truth what do they strive for they
strive for they strive to give an answer
but they are I think trained to be
politically correct and the woke mind
virus is woven in throughout them I'm
sure you've seen that yeah definitely
definitely definitely my students used
to ask me when I because I've been
teaching what I've been teaching for
about 40 years and one of the questions
they used to ask me is how I knew that
what I was teaching wasn't just another
ideology cu the postmodern take is all
it is is a plethora of power games and
so there's no rank ordering approaches
to the truth in terms of their ethical
suitability but that's not the game that
you're playing and and obviously would
not agree with with that philosophy why
not the sort of moral relativism what's
convinced you that's not a useful way of
approaching things I think you can look
at a given belief system and critique it
as being uh likely to enhance or
decrease Enlightenment will any given
belief system improve our understanding
of the universe will we learn more
things will we achieve a deeper
understanding of physics and so that's
grounded at least in part in a
scientific framework from the sounds of
it I think there are facts about the
world right there are things that are
just say let's say extremely likely to
be true versus less likely to be true I
think if one thinks in terms of
probabilities about any given sort of
acatic statement then that that's the
right way to think about it now some
things are 99.99% to be true you you can
run experiments you can confirm them and
others are perhaps have a low
probability of Truth 1% likely to be
true or just using extremes here but any
given statement has I think should be
thought of as having unless this should
be thought of as having a probability of
being true or untrue a probability of
being relevant to an argument or not
relevant to an argument we just talking
about the basics of of of cogency here
yeah I didn't study science precisely I
wasn't as interested in the
transformations of the material world so
I'm probably more people oriented than
thing oriented temperamentally so I
started to study evil right so that was
my sure delving Into the Depths because
I wanted to crack that I wanted to
understand if it not so much even
whether it existed because I became
consist convinced of that very quickly
but what exactly that had to do with me
cuz when I was reading history I read it
as a perpetrator and not as a victim or
a hero I try to read history to discern
the facts of what humans did you know
that also has shaped the way that you
act though probably sure I I've read a
lot of history and I try to understand
the rise and po of civilizations and
what do you think makes them fall one of
the things is a decreasing birth rate
which seems to be a natural consequence
of prosperity yeah isn't that strange he
cuz you'd predict the opposite wouldn't
you as far as I know every civilization
that has experienced Prosperity has had
a decline in population there may be a
few exceptions perhaps people can
enlighten me I'll look at this the
comments on this interview to see
perhaps what I can learn but it seems
that from what I've read every almost
every civilization when they become
prosperous their birth rate drops I
think that's a consequence of the
emergence of something like a a nonp
punished hedonistic egocentrism as you
obviously you mean there there certainly
many examples of of civilizations they
become prosperous there is generally a
trend towards Hedonism yeah you can get
away with it if you're wealthy because
the consequences of your don't smack you
on the head instantly precisely if
you're at a civilization under threat
let's say you're there's a if you take
say Rome when they were trying to not
get annihilated by Carthage and they had
Hannibal running around Maring Italy
they didn't have time for Hedonism
Hedonism is not an option we're going to
get destroyed by hanal chip are down
yeah when the when you're under when a
civilization is under stress there's
very little Hedonism that takes William
James said that the modern world needed
a moral equivalent to war he
investigated the religious realm very
deeply and this I think this was in
varieties of religious experience and
that really had an effect on me because
I think that you need something akin to
an existential threat in order to set
you straight I think there's some truth
to that yeah like if it's a let's say if
it's a spoiled child that we everything
who gets that that kid gets everything
he or she wants and you have a Baro
assault and and then R Lodge that is a
civilization that is pro where people
get everything they want I think it's
the right way to think about it
developmentally and neuros pychological
okay you had a rough childhood yeah yeah
like rough and tumble rough childhood
plenty of fights and a father who is a
difficult creature to content with okay
what did that do for you and are you
grateful for it or are you unhappy about
it I guess you never know the things
that really made you who you are today
at the end of the day am I on net
grateful for my life I am and perhaps
even for the the hard things because
those hot things I learned from them
what did you learn I read your auto your
biography it's not an autobiography no
it's not no no definitely not I would
tell it in a different way than isacon
because isacson who I think is an
excellent biographer is not nonetheless
looking at things through his lens and
wasn't there at the time of course of
course one of the things that stood out
for me too though from that and I would
like your comments about this was the
rather the rough details of your
childhood a lot of physical altercations
and a lot of I don't know exactly how
altercations I mean I was almost beaten
to death within an inch of my life at
one point that counts that definitely
counts as ays a few blows here and there
yeah so what did that okay why weren why
aren't aren't you bitter about that cuz
that's a pathway that people take I I
think that there there are one one can
take and often people do take the path
of Vengeance yeah that's for sure yeah
or that's what antinatalism is yeah to
say to feel that the world has treated
them unfairly and that they will visit
upon the world that which the world has
visited upon them and justified by
recourse to the reality of their own
suffering ex which is often intense so
the story of Job one of the things I
concluded from the story of job because
it's a precursor to the crucifixion
story so job makes two decisions the
first decision is that no matter how
Terrible Things become for him he will
not lose faith in himself and the second
is no matter what Horrors are visited on
him by Satan himself he will not lose
faith in the what would you say in the
spirit that gave rise to the cosmic
order no matter what while I'm not a
particularly religious person I do
believe that the teachings of Jesus are
are good and and wise and that there's
there's tremendous wisdom and turn the
other cheek and for a while there when I
was saying I thought that's really a
weak thing to yeah it can be if some
someone and with respect to bullies at
school I think you shouldn't turn the
other cheek you should pump punch on the
nose and then ultim and then thereafter
make peace with them but they need to
stop bullying you and a punch on the
nose will stop that and then thereafter
make peace so sometimes that punch on
the nose is the first step in making
peace with bullies yes it may change
their career from being a bully to
perhaps they shouldn't be doing such
things but yeah I think this anyway so
this notion of forgiveness is important
it's I think it's essential because if
you don't forgive then as the I forget
who said it but an i for an i makes
everyone blind if you're going to seek
Vengeance and and you have this never-
ending cycle of Vengeance there are
anthropological speculations that we
were caught in a 350,000 year cycle of
not getting anywhere after modern human
beings emerged precisely because of that
because we couldn't get out of
accelerating tit fortat Revenge Cycles
right yeah so I'm a big believer in in
in the principles of Christianity I
think they're very good so in what sense
then are you not religious
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