Representación política (Parte II)

Udearroba
3 May 201916:00

Summary

TLDRThe script discusses the evolution of student representation in Colombia, highlighting its shift from conservative elite groups in the 1950s and 1960s to more liberal and communist ideologies influenced by Cuban, Russian, and Chinese movements. It criticizes the current dominance of left-leaning, subversive ideologies, which have led to a more militant and ideological student representation. The speaker also points out the shortcomings of the student movement, such as its disconnect from university governance, lack of organization, and failure to understand the university's complex structure. The script calls for a reevaluation of student involvement in university decisions and a broader democratic participation within educational institutions.

Takeaways

  • 📚 The Colombian student movement has historically fluctuated between conservative and leftist ideologies, with a shift towards more radical and subversive ideas in recent decades.
  • 🔍 The student representation has been more focused on international issues and political movements rather than on academic and scientific struggles within universities.
  • 🏛️ Universities have become a stronghold for Colombian democracy, with students and their representatives playing a crucial role in resisting political repression and advocating for national development plans.
  • 📉 There is a perceived abandonment of the student movement's original purpose, with a lack of focus on the internal functioning and decision-making processes within universities.
  • 🤔 The speaker is critical of the student movement's limited impact on university decisions, suggesting that students often lack a deep understanding of the university's structure and daily operations.
  • 👥 The speaker notes a lack of consolidated student organizations and a failure to establish a democratic school of thought within universities, leading to a loss of potential for sustained growth and influence.
  • 💬 There is a call for a more inclusive and diverse range of ideas within universities, criticizing the exclusion of center-liberal or right-wing perspectives which has led to a monothematic student movement.
  • 👨‍🏫 The role of university professors is highlighted as significant, with a suggestion that many have settled into a comfort zone, neglecting their initial spark and mission to innovate and contribute to their fields.
  • 💰 The speaker expresses concern over the lack of understanding regarding university finances, with students often misinterpreting resource allocation and blaming administrators without a clear understanding of the budget.
  • 🗳️ The script discusses the need for more democratic participation within universities, questioning the effectiveness of current structures and advocating for more inclusive and transparent decision-making processes.
  • 🌐 There is a call for society, including political parties and educational institutions, to reactivate democratic channels and encourage a diversity of thought and participation among students at all levels of education.

Q & A

  • What is the general historical evolution of student representation in Colombia as described in the script?

    -The script describes the evolution of student representation in Colombia as fluctuating politically and ideologically over the decades. In the 1950s and 1960s, it was conservative and represented the elite classes who had access to higher education. Later, it shifted towards more liberal and communist ideologies influenced by Cuban, Russian, and Chinese movements. By the late 1980s, a hegemony of left-wing, subversive, and revolutionary ideas emerged, leading to a more militant and ideological student representation.

  • How does the speaker characterize the current state of student representation in Colombian universities?

    -The speaker characterizes the current state of student representation as predominantly left-leaning, with a focus on international denunciations and political movements rather than on academic or scientific pursuits within universities. They suggest that student representation has been used for only a part of its capacity, neglecting other aspects such as academic struggles and the development of international educational models.

  • What role did universities and student representatives play during the politically turbulent times in Colombia, according to the script?

    -According to the script, during politically turbulent times, especially from the late 1980s onwards, universities became the last bastion of legal and institutional resistance for a significant portion of the Colombian population. Student representatives became bulwarks of democracy and criticism, engaging in debates on national development plans and various local issues.

  • What criticisms does the speaker have regarding the student movement's focus and its impact on university decisions?

    -The speaker criticizes the student movement for abandoning its original purpose, isolating itself from other political ideas, and lacking consolidated student organizations. This, they argue, has led to a loss of the ability to generate democratic participation within universities and to influence university decisions effectively.

  • How does the speaker view the current engagement of students in university decision-making processes?

    -The speaker believes that student engagement in university decision-making processes is minimal. They argue that students do not understand the daily operations of universities and are unable to grasp the institutional structure, which limits their influence on administrative, academic, and economic decisions.

  • What issues does the speaker identify with the current state of student organizations and their ability to bring about change?

    -The speaker identifies issues such as the lack of representation in student organizations, the exclusion of diverse political ideas, and the inability to understand and challenge the daily operations and decisions within universities. They also mention the difficulty in creating a democratic school and a continuous history of student struggles.

  • What is the speaker's perspective on the role of teachers in public universities and their engagement with their roles?

    -The speaker believes that teachers in public universities have a more significant role to fulfill. They suggest that many teachers have settled into a comfort zone, preparing or adapting their courses minimally and using their research groups merely for scoring or publishing articles, rather than being innovative and fulfilling their mission in a better way.

  • What are the speaker's views on the use of university resources and the students' understanding of it?

    -The speaker criticizes the indiscriminate use of university resources and suggests that students do not understand where the university's budget goes. They believe there should be more oversight and that students should be more aware of the financial aspects of university operations.

  • How does the speaker evaluate the current state of democratic participation within universities?

    -The speaker evaluates the current state of democratic participation within universities as insufficient. They argue that there are many ways to participate democratically, but there is a lack of understanding and engagement with these processes, leading to a disconnect between students and the decision-making bodies within universities.

  • What suggestions does the speaker make for improving democratic practices and student participation in universities?

    -The speaker suggests that society, political parties, congress, and assemblies should discuss how to reactivate democratic channels in education. They advocate for the inclusion of students in decision-making bodies and the establishment of student councils to ensure that future political subjects have experienced democracy.

  • What impact does the speaker believe the student movement has had on Colombian society and democracy?

    -The speaker believes that the student movement has had a significant impact on Colombian society and democracy by serving as a platform for debate and criticism. However, they also express concern about the movement's focus and suggest that it has not fully utilized its potential to influence university decisions and foster democratic practices within educational institutions.

Outlines

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📚 Evolution of Student Representation in Colombia

The paragraph discusses the historical evolution of student movements in Colombia, highlighting their fluctuation in political and ideological stances over the decades. Initially, in the 1950s and 1960s, student representation was conservative and elitist, reflecting the interests of the upper classes who had access to higher education. Moving into the late 1980s, the ideological landscape shifted towards liberal and communist currents, influenced by Cuban, Russian, and Chinese movements. The speaker notes a current dominance of radical left-wing and subversive ideologies, which have shaped a more militant and ideological student representation. This representation has become a platform for denouncing international events and engaging with other social movements, rather than focusing on academic and scientific student struggles. The speaker also reflects on the underutilization of the student movement's potential and criticizes the lack of engagement with broader university issues and international education models.

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🔍 Critique of Student Movement's Focus and Organization

This paragraph critiques the student movement's focus and organizational structure. The speaker points out that the student movement has become too politicized and has neglected its primary purpose, which includes academic and scientific struggles. The critique also addresses the disconnection between public university students and the broader educational system, as well as the ideological homogeneity within the movement, which excludes centrist and right-wing ideas. The lack of consolidated student organizations has led to a loss of democratic participation and the ability to generate a continuous history of student involvement. The speaker also discusses the challenges of understanding the complex structure of universities and the difficulty in influencing administrative, academic, and economic decisions due to a lack of institutional knowledge and understanding.

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🏛️ The Role of Faculty and Resource Management in Universities

The speaker discusses the role of faculty in public universities and their impact on the student experience. There is a concern that many professors have become complacent, focusing on fulfilling their basic duties without the same passion they once had. The paragraph also addresses the issue of resource management within universities, suggesting that students do not understand how university funds are spent. The speaker argues for greater transparency and accountability in financial matters. Additionally, the paragraph touches on the outdated structures within universities that promote clandestine actions and violence, questioning their relevance and effectiveness in promoting democratic participation.

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🗳️ Strengthening Democracy and Student Movement Dialogue

The final paragraph emphasizes the importance of strengthening democracy within universities and the student movement. The speaker calls for a reactivation of democratic channels in education to foster political subjects who have experienced democracy. There is a concern that the Colombian society and its institutions, including political parties and unions, have become disorganized, affecting the student movement's ability to engage in meaningful dialogue. The paragraph concludes with a call for society to re-engage with educational democratic processes to produce well-rounded political subjects who can contribute to various sectors of society.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Student Representation

Student representation refers to the process by which students engage in decision-making within educational institutions. In the video's context, it discusses the historical fluctuation of student movements in Colombia, from conservative to liberal and communist ideologies, and how this has shaped the current militant and ideological character of student representation. The script mentions that student representation has been used as a platform for denouncing international events and political movements, rather than focusing on academic and scientific struggles within universities.

💡Political Ideologies

Political ideologies are sets of beliefs and values that shape the perspectives and actions of individuals and groups. The script outlines the evolution of student movements in Colombia, noting a shift from conservative ideologies in the 1950s and 1960s to more liberal and communist ideologies influenced by Cuban, Russian, and Chinese movements. By the 1980s, the script suggests a dominance of leftist and subversive ideas, which has influenced the nature of student representation and activism.

💡Educational Models

Educational models are frameworks that guide the structure and function of educational institutions. The video script touches upon the development of educational models within universities and how they relate to international standards. It implies a critique of the current state of student representation, suggesting that it lacks a focus on academic and scientific struggles and does not adequately address the evolution of educational models.

💡Student Movements

Student movements are organized groups of students that advocate for change, often related to educational policies or broader social issues. The script discusses the historical development of student movements in Colombia, highlighting their fluctuation in political and ideological stances over the decades. It also critiques the current state of student movements for being too focused on ideological debates and not enough on the practical aspects of education and university governance.

💡Democratic Participation

Democratic participation refers to the involvement of individuals in the decision-making processes that affect them, often through voting, representation, or public debate. The video script emphasizes the importance of democratic participation in universities, suggesting that student movements have historically played a crucial role in promoting democracy and critical debate. However, it also points out that current student movements may have strayed from this purpose, focusing more on ideological debates than on fostering democratic practices within educational institutions.

💡University Autonomy

University autonomy is the degree to which an educational institution can operate independently, making decisions about its academic, administrative, and financial affairs. The script mentions university autonomy as a significant topic on the agenda of student organizations, indicating that it is a key concern for those involved in student representation. However, it also suggests that students may not fully understand the implications of university autonomy or the day-to-day functioning of their institutions.

💡Educational Financing

Educational financing involves the allocation of resources to support educational institutions and their operations. The video script discusses the ongoing struggle over educational financing, with concerns about privatization and the potential loss of public funding for universities. It suggests that student movements have been involved in debates over educational financing, although their impact on actual decisions may be limited due to a lack of understanding of the university's financial structure.

💡Clandestine Organizations

Clandestine organizations operate secretly, often due to political or social circumstances that require covert action. In the context of the video, it is mentioned that some student organizations within universities continue to function in a clandestine manner, focusing on revolutionary activities. The script questions the effectiveness of such organizations in promoting democratic participation and suggests that they may not contribute positively to the broader goals of student representation.

💡Democratic Debate

Democratic debate is a process where diverse viewpoints are openly discussed and considered in the pursuit of collective decision-making. The script argues that there has been a decline in democratic debate within universities and society at large. It calls for a reinvigoration of democratic channels in education to foster a new generation of politically engaged individuals who have experienced democratic practices.

💡Academic Freedom

Academic freedom is the right of academics to freely pursue, develop, and disseminate knowledge and ideas without undue interference or censorship. The video script touches on the role of academics within public universities, suggesting that some may have become complacent or have lost the drive to innovate and contribute to their fields. It implies that a lack of academic freedom or a decline in the pursuit of academic excellence could be detrimental to the quality of education and research within universities.

💡Social Movements

Social movements are large-scale efforts by groups of people to bring about social, political, or economic change. The script discusses the relationship between student movements and other social movements, noting that student representation has historically been a platform for denouncing international events and engaging with broader political movements. However, it also suggests that the current focus of student movements on ideological debates may detract from their ability to effectively engage with or contribute to these broader social movements.

Highlights

The student representation in Colombia has fluctuated politically and ideologically over the decades.

In the 1950s and 1960s, a conservative student representation from the upper classes dominated.

Later, more liberal and communist ideologies influenced the student movements, inspired by Cuban, Russian, and Chinese movements.

Since the late 1980s, there has been a predominance of leftist, subversive, and revolutionary ideas in student representation.

Student representation has become more militant and ideological, serving as a platform for denouncing international events and political movements.

The speaker believes that the potential of student representation has been underutilized, especially in academic and scientific struggles.

Universities became the last bastion of legal resistance for the Colombian people, especially from the 1987 genocide.

Student representatives became bulwarks of democracy and critical debate on national development plans and local issues.

The student movement has been self-critical, recognizing that it has abandoned its original purpose to some extent.

There is a disconnect between public university students and the rest of the higher education system.

The student movement has become somewhat monothematic, excluding center-liberal or right-wing ideas.

Lack of consolidated student organizations has led to a loss of the ability to generate democratic participation and succession.

The speaker questions the impact of student representation on university decisions and believes it is minimal due to a lack of understanding of the university's functioning.

Students do not understand the daily operations and financial aspects of universities, such as budgets of 500 to 600 million pesos annually.

The role of teachers in public universities is considered more significant, but many have settled into a comfort zone, neglecting their mission.

The speaker suggests that the use of resources in universities is indiscriminate and lacks oversight.

There are still structures within universities that operate clandestinely and with violence, which may not contribute to democratic participation.

The speaker calls for a reactivation of democratic channels in education to foster political subjects who have experienced democracy.

There is a need for society, political parties, and congress to discuss how to re-engage students in democratic practices within universities.

Transcripts

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la representación estudiantil ha sido un

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proceso

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muy diverso a la historia en lo que

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tiene que ver con el proceso histórico

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del movimiento estudiantil en colombia

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uno podría decir que estos movimientos

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han tenido una fluctuación político

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ideológica a través de las décadas

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digamos que en las décadas del 50 y el

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60 podemos encontrar una representación

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estudiantil conservadora de las élites

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igual crítica por el hecho de ser

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estudiante pero que venía de digamos de

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las clases altas de la sociedad que eran

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las que podían acceder a la educación

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superior luego podemos encontrar un paso

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a las digamos corrientes más liberales y

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comunistas con una formación un poco más

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en el movimiento cubano en el movimiento

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ruso y chino pero yo considero que a

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finales de los 80s a principios de los

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80s y hasta hasta ahora tenemos una

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hegemonía de

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de ideas ideológicas completamente

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zurdas izquierdistas y subversivas

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revolucionarias en la alimentación tiene

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y por ende en la representación

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estudiantil es lo que a lo que le da un

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carácter más militante e ideológico a la

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representación estudiantil como tribuna

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de denuncia de sucesos internacionales

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de movimientos políticos de relaciones

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con otros movimientos sociales que de

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una verdadera lucha gremial estudiantil

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académica científica que conozca con

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suficiencia lo que se viene

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desarrollando al interior de las

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universidades que tenga un acervo en lo

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que tiene que ver con los modelos

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internacionales de educación etcétera

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entonces yo considero que el papel pese

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a que ha sido preponderante y muy

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importante del movimiento científico y

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los representantes digamos que se ha

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utilizado sólo una capacidad una parte

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de la capacidad que tiene la

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representación el movimiento estudiantil

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en general y nos hemos quedado cortos en

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todo lo otro que tiene que ver con la

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y luchas gremiales o netamente

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estudiantiles que puede hacer un

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representante

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[Música]

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yo creo que ha sido demasiado porque en

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un país tan convulsionado políticamente

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y donde se ha reprimido en las últimas

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tres décadas arrancando desde el 87 con

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el genocidio la unión patriótica y el

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frente popular y a luchar

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las universidad se convirtieron como en

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la última retaguardia o trinchera legal

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institucional de resistencia

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de gran parte del pueblo colombiano

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entre los estudiantes y sus

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representantes se convirtieron en

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baluartes de la democracia de la crítica

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entonces comenzaron a debatir los planes

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nacionales de desarrollo a debatir un

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montón de situaciones en cada una de sus

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ciudades localidades y

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y digamos que eso eso le aportó mucho al

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país a la democracia a la participación

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a hablar con los padres de familia a

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movilizarse a poner debates como el de

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la tierra como el de la educación

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superior gratuita de calidad

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problemáticas muy variadas la solución

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del conflicto no hay que olvidar puedo o

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la apertura democrática sin embargo yo

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sigo siendo autocrítico de que el

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movimiento estudiantil

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abandonó su

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[Música]

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su razón de ser entonces por ejemplo la

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primera la primera crisis que podemos

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ver es que el movimiento estudiantil o

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representando estudiantiles y de resumen

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a las universidades públicas entonces

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casi que la mitad la mitad del sistema

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de educación superior está

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desvinculados lo que son las lógicas

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nacionales de participación segundo el

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movimiento estudiantil

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castró el resto de ideas de del espectro

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político entonces casi que fue imposible

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encontrar ideas de centro liberales o de

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derechas organizadas en la universidad

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lo que volvió el movimiento un poco

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monotemático y un poco

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y que permitió que fuera fácilmente

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señalado y sesgado por parte de los

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medios de comunicación señalarlo como

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agente de otras

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de otras estructuras políticas

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concretamente fue la insurgencia y de

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manifestar pues que las universidades

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hacían parte como

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un brazo académico de las guerrillas

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tercero creo que el hecho de que no

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hayamos en el movimiento sean tienen las

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representaciones estudiantiles

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estudiantiles consolidados

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organizaciones estudiantiles gremiales

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hizo que se perdiera mucho casi que en

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un 95% la capacidad de generar relevo la

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capacidad de generar escuela democrática

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de participación en las universidades y

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de que las luchas frank cíclicas y que

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las victorias fueron imperceptibles no

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porque no existieran sino porque era muy

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difícil hacerle entender al estudiante y

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al profesor y al padre de familia de la

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sociedad en general de que el tal

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discurso de la privatización

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no es que no exista o si exista es que

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eso es gradualmente el proceso que se ha

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venido dando de que las universidades

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pierdan democracia su interior de que

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pierdan financiación de que pierdan

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incidencia en la sociedad o que se

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enfoquen en otras realidades pero no

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tener una organización estudiantil ha

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sido supremamente

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ha castrado mucho las posibilidades de

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que el momento en que él crezca madure

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de que tenga una historia más continuada

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y no tan coyuntural yo creo que se ha

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aportado demasiado y es invaluable lo

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que ha hecho el movimiento estudiantil

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sin embargo vuelve y juega nos hemos

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quedado muy cortos

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[Música]

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preguntarnos si los estudiantes o el

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movimiento estudiantil o la

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representación estudiantil ha tenido

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incidencia en las decisiones de la

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universidad es muy válido y yo creo que

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la respuesta siendo muy franco yo diría

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que no primero porque para uno obtener

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incidencia en las decisiones de la de

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las decisiones administrativas y

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académicas y económicas de una

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institución hay que conocerla y con el

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pasar del tiempo uno puede evaluar y

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decir

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yo creo que muy muy francamente que los

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estudiantes en cinco seis siete ocho

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años que podemos tras llegar por la vida

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universitaria no alcanzamos a

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dimensionar institucionalmente cómo

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funciona cómo es el andamiaje de un

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monstruo como la universidad antioquia

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la universidad nacional la universidad

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el valle yo creo que

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que nos quedamos cortos porque

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la estructura no nos deja como como

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tener la posibilidad de ver qué es lo

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que pasa día a día en la cotidianidad de

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nuestras instituciones entonces por

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ejemplo nosotros peleábamos ahorita se

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sigue peleando el gran coco que es la

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financiación entonces todo el mundo le

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tiene miedo a la privatización que se

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viene dando de las instituciones de

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educación superior

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luego se pelean más o menos más o menos

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las reformas que cada gobierno

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universitario plantea o si una rectoría

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no plantea reformas entonces el

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movimiento estudiantil pasa de agache yo

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creo que la incidencia es es mínima

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porque simplemente se participa en

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coyunturas y luego esa labor militante

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del reprenda de estudiantiles movimiento

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estudiantil no permite que se entienda

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el día a día de las decisiones

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universitarias entonces

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grandes temas como la autonomía

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universitaria abarcan la agenda de las

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organizaciones estudiantiles cuando en

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últimas ni siquiera hemos logrado

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entender que es lo básico de los fines

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misionales de la universidad docencia

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investigación y extensión no entendemos

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la diferencia entre cada una de ellas no

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entendemos qué implica cada una de ellas

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si me permiten una anécdota yo pude

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venir a una de las asambleas de la

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facultad de derecho en esta última

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coyuntura por el presupuesto contra el

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gobierno de duke y los estudiantes que

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lideraron el proceso manifestado bueno

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es que no la extensión en la universidad

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que se ve reflejada a través del

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convenio con con fama para

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para la administración de la piscina

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bueno es que el convenio en los

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convenios de extensión para ser

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diplomados y yo me preguntaba yo decía

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yo creo que estos estos estudiantes con

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todo respeto no tienen no están hablando

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del 0.5 por ciento de lo que la

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extensión de la universidad antioquia y

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yo no voy a juzgar si la extensión que

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hace la universidad que está bien o mal

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hecha simplemente es que ni siquiera la

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mencionaron porque no la conciben no

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está en su entendimiento que implica un

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contrato que implica un convenio que

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implica trabajar con multinacionales con

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la alcaldía con la gobernación con y no

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estoy diciendo que eso sea malo ni bueno

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eso ya queda al resorte de cada quien

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pero si creemos que la extensión que

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hace la universidad que es vender

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diplomados o administrar la la piscina

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por parte de con fama es porque no

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entendemos de verdad lo colosal que es

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una universidad

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otro tema que me parece que no que no

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hemos entendido en lo más mínimo por

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ejemplo es el papel del docente sí

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con todo respeto yo creo que los

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docentes de las universidades públicas

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tienen tienen un rol mucho más

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preponderante que cumplir y yo creo que

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ellos entraron en la misma en la misma

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dificultad cultural de el resto de los

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empleados públicos en colombia y es como

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vulgarmente se dice yo me gané una plaza

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pública ya no me voy a casar sin trabajo

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nunca ya no tengo exigencias ya no tengo

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que renovar me y muchos de ellos entran

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en la zona de confort más básica de sus

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cursos prepararlos o adaptarlos cada

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cada tanto su grupo de investigación

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simplemente lo usan para para

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puntuar o sacar artículos en revistas

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pero pierden como la chispa que tenían

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al inicio que se van acomodando y una

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gran mayoría los docentes universitarios

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no novela pues por su por cumplir de la

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mejor manera con su misión y tienda y

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una tercera arista es el uso de los

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recursos

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los estudiantes no entendemos en qué se

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gasta la plata de la universidad o sea

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la universidad tiene que puede tener un

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presupuesto aproximado de 500 600 mil

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millones de pesos anuales y estoy bueno

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yo lo viví y de verdad que uno cree que

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que la plata se va en otras cosas no

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cree que el decano que los rectores son

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pobres viejecitas que van por allá así

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con un montón de afugias y que no de que

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no que es que la universidad están

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privatizando entonces hay uno tiene en

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caja y la verdad es que la universidad

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utiliza recursos indiscriminadamente y

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habría que hacerle una veeduría más

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importante a eso pero salto a la

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pregunta anterior de lo que conversamos

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antes de verdad que no entendemos la

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universidad no lo entendimos en nuestra

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época y creo que todavía no se entiende

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y así es muy difícil tener incidencia en

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las decisiones que se toman en los

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cuerpos colegiados

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yo creo que los medios para participar

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democráticamente en la universidad son

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muchos es más fácil hablar de los que

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hay y de pronto tener alguna divergencia

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con respecto a ellos por ejemplo las

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estructuras que todavía hoy sobreviven

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en la universidad y que tienen como su

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eje de accionar la clandestinidad y la

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violencia porque es válido que tengan

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sus habilidades revolucionarias pero por

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ejemplo nos tenemos que preguntar qué

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tanto le sirve a la universidad al

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estudiante mismo que tanto le sirve una

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participación cerrada donde los debates

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son en organizaciones de 20 30

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estudiantes por universidad y donde

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obedecen más intereses ideológicos

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revolucionarios que de verdad tratar de

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construir escenarios democráticos de

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participación masivos porque entonces

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nos encontramos hoy con la misma y con

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tommy a toda la vida sólo que con

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universidad mucho más masivas entonces

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cuando los noventas la universidad

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enteró que tenía 10.000 estudiantes y

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y criticaban a la asamblea por no ser

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representativa por ser solo de 500 800 o

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1000 hagamos el mismo ejercicio y

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entonces estamos hablando de que la

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asamblea de la universidad antioquia

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tiene como dificultad tratar de

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representar 35.000 40.000 estudiantes

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más los profesores pero no hay un

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espacio físico donde todos puedan

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participar o donde no hay el nivel para

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que todos los estudiantes entiendan lo

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que se está haciendo que tanto nos

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aporta en ese sentido las organizaciones

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clandestinas yo creo que en la

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universidad yo que por ejemplo las

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oficinas estudiantiles han cumplido un

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rol muy importante de abrir

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y escenarios para que estudiantes tengan

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la posibilidad de expresarse cultural

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académica intelectualmente en las

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facultades

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el fortalecimiento de la democracia y

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por ende el fortalecimiento el

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movimiento estudiantil dialoga no es un

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proceso que nos puede el uno llevar a

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los otros al mejor ejemplo de cómo el

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movimiento estudiantil aporta la

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democracia a la séptima papeleta a sus

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indudables sin embargo también desde la

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política externa ha habido un abandono

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del debate de lo que pasa al interior de

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las universidades ahora que hubo el

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proceso de paz con las farc

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yo creo que

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que hay que hablar no solamente el

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estatuto de la oposición en el congreso

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y de los derechos que tienen los

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partidos políticos sino también como la

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sociedad civil colombiana se ha

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desorganizado y eso es un problema como

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como los sindicatos están en su mínima

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expresión como no tenemos organización

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estudiantil que nos permita saber bueno

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que están pensando los estudiantes del

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país y no solo una vertiente porque yo

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sí creo que no se nos ha hecho daño que

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la voz del del estudiantado sea tan

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fácil de identificar y es de relacionar

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con la revolución con la subversión con

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las ideas de izquierda eso ha hecho un

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poco y lo vimos en esta última coyuntura

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por presupuesto en las universidades

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donde el liderazgo de representantes

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estudiantiles como el del consejo

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superior de la nacional alejandro

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palacio

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que milita más fácil en mi ideas como

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las del partido verde oxígeno la la

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posibilidad de que otro tipo de

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estudiantes y de que otro público se

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interesará por lo que pasa en las

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universidades yo sí creo que la sociedad

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digamos los partidos políticos el

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congreso las asambleas los deben

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discutir cómo hacer que lo que los

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estudiantes de primaria de secundaria y

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por último los universitarios vuelvan a

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retomar prácticas como las del consejo

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estudiantil no solamente que haya

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representantes ante el consejo directivo

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contralores estudiantiles porque es que

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eso la democracia en individuos comienza

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a tener vicios o no o no es democracia

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plena nosotros necesitamos que la

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sociedad vuelva a activar los canales

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democráticos en la educación para tener

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luego unos sujetos políticos en las

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empresas en los enlaces

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si en las corporaciones que sean

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personas que hayan vivido la democracia

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porque si uno no vive la democracia no

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puede ser un sujeto democrático

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