Ex-Pastor Turned BARTENDER Because of THIS

Bless God Studios
24 Jul 202414:10

Summary

TLDRThe video script discusses the challenges of pursuing theological education and its practical application in the church context. It features a man with a Bachelor's in Theology and a Master's in Divinity, who now works as a bartender. The conversation explores the potential cultural issues within the church that may push for more theological education without a corresponding demand for such expertise. It raises questions about the value of these degrees and whether they are better suited for roles outside traditional ministry, such as online ministry or authorship. The dialogue also touches on the difficulties pastors face, including the stress of constant availability, the politics within churches, and the expectations placed on them.

Takeaways

  • 📚 The speaker advocates for theological training and the importance of solid doctrine and teaching in religious education.
  • 🎓 The issue arises when individuals invest heavily in theological education but find no practical application for their degrees, raising questions about the cultural emphasis on theological education within the church.
  • 💼 There may be a mismatch between the number of people trained in theology and the actual demand for their expertise, suggesting that alternative career paths outside of traditional church roles might be more suitable.
  • 🤔 The speaker ponders whether the pursuit of advanced theological degrees is a result of poor planning or simply going along with societal pressures without considering the practical implications.
  • 🔮 The discussion includes the idea of using theological education for online ministry, authorship, or other non-traditional church roles as potential solutions to the underutilization of theological degrees.
  • 👨‍🍳 The transcript features a story of a highly educated individual working as a bartender, highlighting the disconnect between academic achievement and practical career outcomes.
  • 🗣️ The speaker shares personal insights into the challenges of being a pastor, including the difficulty of maintaining friendships within the church and the high expectations placed on pastors.
  • 🏠 The video mentions the financial struggles of pastors, especially in areas with high living costs, and questions the sustainability of full-time ministry on typical church salaries.
  • 💬 The script touches on the politics and power dynamics within churches, where pastors may not have as much authority as commonly believed, and where influential church members can exert significant control.
  • 🤝 The importance of pastors having support and accountability from other pastors or religious figures outside their local church is emphasized for maintaining personal and professional health.
  • 💰 The discussion points out the tax benefits available to pastors, such as the housing allowance, which can significantly reduce their taxable income.

Q & A

  • Why does the speaker support theological education and growth in wisdom of the Lord?

    -The speaker supports theological education and growth in wisdom because they believe it is important for people to become more solid in their theology, doctrine, and teaching.

  • What issue is raised regarding individuals who obtain theological degrees but do not use them?

    -The issue raised is whether the pursuit of theological degrees is indicative of a cultural issue within the church that pushes for more education when there may not be a demand for such expertise.

  • What alternative career paths are suggested for someone with a theological degree who is not using it in a traditional church setting?

    -Alternative career paths suggested include building an online ministry, becoming an author, or working in a non-local church context.

  • What is the main concern about the individual featured in the video, who has a Bachelor's in Theology and a Master's in Divinity but works as a bartender?

    -The main concern is whether this situation is due to poor foresight, planning, or if the individual was influenced by a system that pushed for higher education without considering the practical application or demand for such qualifications.

  • What are some of the challenges faced by pastors that are discussed in the script?

    -Challenges include the high stress and demanding nature of the job, the difficulty of maintaining friendships within the church, the politics involved in church management, and the pressure from congregation members.

  • Why might someone with a theological degree choose not to pursue a career as a pastor?

    -Reasons may include the realization that the pastoral role is more difficult and politically complex than anticipated, the desire for a more balanced life, or the lack of financial compensation that meets their needs.

  • What is the speaker's opinion on the importance of having relationships with other pastors or oversight for a pastor's health and well-being?

    -The speaker believes it is crucial for pastors to have relationships with others in the same field for accountability, support, and to ensure they are healthy and doing well.

  • What is the potential downside of being a pastor, as described in the script?

    -The potential downside includes the constant scrutiny and expectations from congregation members, the inability to have true friends within the church, and the political pressures that come with the role.

  • How does the script address the financial aspect of being a pastor?

    -The script discusses the financial challenges pastors may face, such as low salaries that do not align with the cost of living, especially in areas like California, and the potential benefits like housing allowances that are non-taxed.

  • What advice does the speaker give for someone considering theological education and a career in ministry?

    -The advice given is to seek out and talk to individuals already in the field to gain insight and understand the realities of the job before committing to the educational path and potential student loans.

Outlines

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🎓 The Paradox of Theological Education and Practical Application

The speaker begins by expressing support for theological training and the importance of solid doctrine and teaching. However, they raise a concern about individuals who invest heavily in theological education but do not apply their degrees in practical ministry, questioning if this is due to a cultural issue within the church that emphasizes education over practical demand. The discussion is prompted by a viral video featuring a highly educated bartender who, despite his degrees, is not using them in his current profession. The speaker ponders whether the individual's situation is a result of poor planning or being swept up in an educational system that may not align with real-world opportunities.

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🤔 The Challenges and Realities of Pastoral Ministry

In this paragraph, the speaker delves into the difficulties of being a pastor, highlighting the constant demands, the stress, and the complex interpersonal dynamics within a church community. They discuss the expectations placed on pastors to be available for every event and the emotional toll of dealing with people who may not always have the pastor's best interests at heart. The speaker also touches on the political aspects of church work, where pastors may feel they have many 'bosses' due to the opinions and demands of congregation members. The paragraph emphasizes that being a pastor is not just about academic knowledge but also requires a shepherd's heart and the ability to connect with people on a deeper level.

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💼 The Dilemma of Ministry Workforce and Financial Sustainability

The speaker continues the conversation by discussing the financial challenges faced by those in ministry, especially in areas with high costs of living like California. They mention the discrepancy between the cost of living and the typical salaries offered to pastors, which may not be sufficient to afford a home or maintain a comfortable lifestyle. The paragraph explores the idea that the church culture may need to change regarding compensation to attract and retain qualified individuals in ministry roles. Additionally, the speaker points out the tax benefits available to pastors, such as the housing allowance, which can significantly reduce their tax burden and may be a factor in considering ministry work.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Theology

Theology is the study of the nature of God and religious beliefs. In the video, the speaker discusses the importance of theological education and its role in equipping individuals with a deeper understanding of religious doctrines. The video raises the question of whether the pursuit of theological degrees is always necessary or beneficial, especially when the acquired knowledge is not applied in a traditional church setting.

💡Divinity

Divinity refers to the quality of being divine or the study of religious divinity. The script mentions a 'Masters in Divinity,' highlighting the high level of academic achievement the individual has attained. However, it also points out the irony of using such an advanced degree in a non-traditional context, such as bartending.

💡Ministry

Ministry in a religious context refers to the work of a pastor or clergy in serving a congregation. The video discusses the challenges and expectations of being in ministry, including the stress and politics involved, and how these factors may influence someone's decision to leave this profession.

💡Pastor

A pastor is a religious leader who typically heads a church and provides spiritual guidance to its members. The video script explores the difficulties of being a pastor, including the constant demands on their time and the emotional toll it can take, which may lead to a decision to pursue a different career path.

💡Bartending

Bartending is the act of serving alcoholic beverages behind a bar. In the video, the individual with a theology degree chooses bartending as an alternative career, which sparks a discussion about the value of education and the practical application of degrees in the job market.

💡Education

Education in this context refers to the formal academic learning one receives, particularly in the field of theology. The video raises questions about the cultural push towards higher education in theology and whether it always aligns with the real-world demand for such expertise.

💡Cultural Issue

The term 'cultural issue' in the script refers to the potential societal or institutional pressures that encourage individuals to pursue higher education in theology, even when there may not be a corresponding demand for such qualifications in the job market.

💡Online Ministry

An online ministry is a digital platform for religious teachings and community engagement. The video suggests that with the proper use of technology and social media, one can apply their theological education in innovative ways that do not necessarily require a traditional church setting.

💡Author

Being an author in the context of the video implies writing and publishing works, potentially on theological or religious topics. It is presented as an alternative career path for someone with a theological education who may not be using their degree in a conventional church role.

💡Expectations

Expectations in this video refer to the societal and congregational pressures placed on pastors and church leaders. The speaker discusses how these expectations can be unrealistic and contribute to the difficulty of the pastoral role, influencing the decision to leave the ministry.

💡Financial Independence

Financial independence is the state of having enough wealth to live without having to work actively for basic necessities. The video touches on the idea that achieving this status could free individuals from the pressures of having to answer to multiple 'bosses,' including those in a church setting.

Highlights

The importance of theological training and the potential disconnect when such education is not applied in practice.

Discussion on the cultural issue within the church that may push for more theology education than there is demand for.

The dilemma of having a theology degree and finding it not directly applicable in a local church context.

The exploration of alternative uses for theological education, such as online ministry or authorship.

The story of a highly educated individual working as a bartender, sparking a conversation on the utility of theology degrees.

The reality of being a pastor, including the stress and challenges that come with the role.

The difficulty of maintaining friendships within the church as a pastor due to high standards and expectations.

The need for pastors to have relationships and accountability outside of their local church.

The comparison between the role of a pastor and the expectations placed upon them versus other professional roles.

The politics involved in church work and the impact of having many 'bosses' in a congregation.

The financial challenges faced by pastors, especially in areas with high living costs.

The potential for using theological education in non-traditional ministry roles, such as podcasting or social media.

The advice to experience a profession before committing to the education and financial investment.

The discussion on the expectations and pressures of being a pastor and the reality of church politics.

The importance of self-care and the need for pastors to take vacations and maintain a work-life balance.

The commentary on the power dynamics within small churches and the influence of wealthy families.

The reflection on the role of a pastor as a servant leader and the expectations of obedience from church members.

The closing thoughts on the necessity for more outlets for ministry and the potential for alternative career paths for theology graduates.

Transcripts

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I am all for you getting theologically

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trained I'm all for people growing in

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the wisdom of the Lord I'm all for

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people becoming more solid in their

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Theology and their Doctrine and their

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teaching I think all those things are

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super important however what happens

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when someone gets equipped in these

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things and then all of a sudden they

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don't put to use the very degree that

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they spent tens or perhaps hundreds of

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thousands to get is this indicative of a

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cultural issue within Church of pushing

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more and

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more education towards theology when in

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reality there's just not that much

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demand out there for folks with this set

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of expertise is this better suited

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outside of a local church context like

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perhaps building an online Ministry

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becoming an author um this is what we're

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going to be discussing today this was

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sent by my guy Ray Rock and this

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gentleman here is extremely smart

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extremely educated and unfortunately is

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not using his degree okay so uh he is a

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bartender and uh play this video for us

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no no don't play the sound because it's

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copyrighted music

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did I use my degree right Christian

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Academy High honors most outstanding

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student award this went crazy viral has

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half a million views on Instagram go

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ahead it's crazy bachelors in theology

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Masters in Divinity

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bartender oh

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man wow Christian Academy bachelor in

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theologies Masters in Divinity he's a

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bartender this gentleman great student

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crushed it got good grades and

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unfortunately uh you know he's like

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doing a New York City nightlife thing

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you know he's he's out here he's a

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bartender he uh he's hanging out with

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people and uh he got all all these

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degrees you know reminds me of the Kanye

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West College Dropout albums I got

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degrees upon upon degrees and more

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degrees and he's not putting it to use

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okay so is this a is this an issue of

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poor foresight poor planning or that he

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just gets sucked into a system

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that pushed all these degrees on him and

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he just kind of went with the flow and

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then before he knew it he woke up he's

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in his mid 20s got all these degrees and

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there's no utility to them I mean the

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only the only reason I would go with

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poor foresight for this is this dude got

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a a a masters in Divinity like that's

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not necessarily your traditional College

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trajectory you know what I'm saying like

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I'm going become a pastor but I guess he

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did go to uh Christian School so that

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that makes a little bit more

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indoctrination nature

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yeah so he someone someone responded to

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this and said OMG Pastor to bartender

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pipeline should be studied should listen

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to us yeah play this blew up I had no

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idea that I was going to do like that

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big uh so I guess I might as well

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address some things is he Drop Shipping

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now cuz he's giving me major drop

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shipper energy not his Instagram's not

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that big I'm on vacation comments that I

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stop being a Christian no I didn't stop

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being a Christian um I still believe in

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God wholeheartedly made stop I mean

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number one like being a pastor you think

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it's going to be easy job but it's one

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of the most difficult jobs there are

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it's one of the most stress inducing

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this like this was reality for me uh it

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was that I was working every day I'm on

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the clock 24/7 and then I have to spend

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every weekend with people that either I

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don't like or people that hate me it's

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like yo that's funny he that people I

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don't like or people that hate me

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wow this dude is just hey he's keeping a

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way too real right this is when keeping

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a real goes wrong he's in some island

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off of off of his bartending money cuz

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he's probably making good money

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bartending oh yeah he's like here's what

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pastors don't want to tell you yeah

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you're in New York City you know you

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he's he's out here he's halfway

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goodlooking decent looking guy in decent

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shape he's probably crushing it on a

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bartending yeah got good style you know

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a good aesthetic on his Instagram yeah

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keep going you can't necessarily have

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friends in the church a lot of the times

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you have brothers in the church you have

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people that you could like talk to but

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you can't rely on them as a pastor you

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can rely on them when you're a small

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group leader you could rely on them when

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you're an elder a deacon any other job

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you're able to maintain certain levels

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of friendship but as a pastor you're

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held to such a high standard that if you

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say something or believe something or

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teach something that somebody in the

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church does not agree with they will go

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and get a group of people and rally

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against you and but but the issue is you

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need to have relationships as a pastor

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with other pastors and other oversight

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and other accountability outside of your

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local church to make sure that you're

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healthy and you're doing well yes so

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he's right he's right in that sense but

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that's why pastors need pastors yeah

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that's also why being a pastor isn't

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just uh isn't just a degree it's not a

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masters and Divinity that's right it's

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not just head knowledge that's right

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there's life experience there's uh

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personality Shepherd's Heart Shepherd's

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Heart Like ability to actually connect

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with people and want to connect with

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people y um so yeah if you're if you're

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more of a studious person why smart but

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like you're like I don't want to talk to

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these people yep not a pastor yep and I

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hope he didn't go into debt to get all

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these degrees man I would hope that his

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parents had some funds for him or

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something because that that would be

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super tragic study the Bible for free

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yeah go ahead fired not just that it's

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like not only are you on the clock you

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have to remember every birthday you have

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to go to every funeral every every

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baptism every baby dedication have the

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program on you are the pastor so you

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kind of got to be there for the baptism

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and the

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baby you are the baby dedication hold on

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hold on you lost me there that relies on

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you yeah I don't know about remembering

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every birthday yeah I know I mean yeah

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if you're going to be solid it's it's

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helpful yeah automate it with some

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software have people to counsel

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constantly it's it was just so much work

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just that you don't even know who you

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could truly trust at the end of the day

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cuz there are people that you consider

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best friends and people that could open

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up with and imagine opening up one of

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like some difficult things you're

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growing with and eventually they talk

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crap about you and it gets around and as

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the pastor you shouldn't be going

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through quote unquote struggles you

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shouldn't be going through these things

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and another thing that sucks about

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working for churches is the politics

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it's all politics I think you're only

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working for one boss no you're not

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people think oh you're only working for

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God that's not necessar true you're

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working you have a thousand bosses a

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thousand bosses because it's everybody

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everybody in church is your boss I mean

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listen that's no different than being an

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entrepreneur every entrepreneur has to

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answer to their people yeah you got to

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answer to your constituents if you're a

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politician you got to answer your

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constituents if you're an entrepreneur

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you got to answer to your customers so

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instead of having one boss that tells

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you what to do you got thousands of

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bosses that are like we don't like this

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we like that make it this way why not

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this why not that and so it's it's the

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same thing that listen you don't get out

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this the only way you get out of ever

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having to like be anywhere or do

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anything is to like build so much

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independent wealth that you can live off

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the interest of your Investments yeah

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yeah yeah there's no there's no product

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that you got to fulfill on anymore

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you're just like chilling off a back end

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and and then we're talking we're talking

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to to really get there and and me and

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samaj went down this Rabbit Hole the

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other day the fire movement financially

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independent uh what is it financially

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independent retire early but you're

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talking about folks that got millions in

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in retirement and then are living off

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the interest and that's the only way to

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get there like you got to have enough

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assets that passively support your

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lifestyle and then you don't really got

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to answer to anybody for any you could

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do whatever you want to do but

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everything comes responsibility you got

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to answer to somebody so do you want one

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bosses you want a thousand bosses you

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got to get those Millions somehow right

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you got to get if that's the objective

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but I'm not saying that should be the

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objective I'm saying if that's the

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objective I posted like a video of me

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going to Disneyland cuz number one I

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used to work I used to work in

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California and some people be like

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Pastor are we paying you too much so

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imagine you decide to like take a break

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for yourself in the moment that you

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decide to have a little bit of fun post

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it on your Instagram story and then

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immediately they're like are we paying

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you too much like you're not all to have

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fun without being guilted for it you're

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that's crazy that sucks that sucks that

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sucks he said forget that yeah I'm g go

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I'm gonna go serve the party scene yeah

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I'm so I'm so happy like when our pastor

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takes vacations and is like consistent

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no one B that he no one BS an eye

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actually for as far as we know as far as

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we know shout out Pastor Jeff man Rhythm

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Church consistently prioritizes his

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family goes on vacation make sure that

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he's refreshed and and I think that's

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healthy and I think we need more of that

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imagine being worried about paying your

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pastor too much and not being worried

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about creating an environment in which

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your pastor can Thrive and not have a

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moral failure hello come on like take

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your take yourba go go please go take

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care of yourself please go go take care

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of yourself take care of your family

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love your family get out of here for

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real yeah go ahead and play some for

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even living life expect from a pastor is

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you being like a skullery maid that's

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chained to like a basement or something

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that's a slave to everybody they to be a

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servant leader but the issue is a lot of

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church members have an expectation of

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you being a slave leader mean you have

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to go and listen and be obedient to

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every single whim of every me no matter

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how wrong they are the worst Parts is

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the people that have the money are

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sometimes the most powerful especially

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in small churches it's those big

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families in the small churches that help

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set things up from the beginning they're

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the ones that have the true power jez

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and pastors not necessarily don't always

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have the most power in church that's

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true I guess contrary to popular belief

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we really don't right that's good let's

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look at somebody these comments his name

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was yeah he was he had a

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this brother man hey man you know he was

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bringing that up to random customers at

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the bar he's like did you know that

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being a bar being a pastor is not as

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easy at look all right well let's see

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com so uh dizzy disciple who I I follow

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on Instagram he said so you thought

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being a pastor would be cool and decided

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to not to get degrees to make it happen

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once you found out it's not as easy as

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uh not as easy you bounced I'm not

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hating I'm actually glad you're not in

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the pull pit more fake Pastor more fake

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fake pastors ouch should do that uh what

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are the comments to this did he respond

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anybody respond to to dizzy definitely

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but being a pastor is definitely a

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calling yeah I mean being a pastor is a

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calling and it's not one that's that's

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easy but that doesn't mean that his

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gripes aren't legitimate those are very

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legitimate gripes that he pointed out

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you know what I mean unless you are a

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pastor it is almost impossible to

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understand what he's describing that's

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that's fair yes pastor called by God yes

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we can only do the work of the Holy

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Spirit but we have a corrupted broken

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human system that is more often than not

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controlled by powerful individuals who

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may not be truly serving God do you quit

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it like a regular job like that's funny

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let religious people hey you know listen

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that's a great wave um perhaps to this

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dude for still being a Christian and

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walking with Jesus and and leaning into

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his faith and sharing this sort of stuff

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I I wish and I believe there will be

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more outlets for people who are

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passionate about Ministry that can do

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things like podcast YouTube social media

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write books create uh systems and

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courses for people hopefully that's

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that's that's a future seems to be like

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there's more Outlets you know I don't

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know how uh scalable that is but there

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seems to be like there's a lot of people

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out here that could do a lot of good

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with their education and and maybe that

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channels him or someone like him to

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hopefully do something different than

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just be a regular Pastor if you will I

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will say from a career career trajectory

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standpoint very valuable lesson really

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easy to go talk to a pastor before you

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do the whole yes Masters in Divinity

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whole thing like that like in general if

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you want to become an electrician go

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hang out with an electrician go find one

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plumber same thing uh Wall Street go

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find one Whatever It Is go find one talk

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to him figure out if you even like that

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idea before you go down the the the path

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of degrees and yeah student loans that's

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right 100 100% spot on okay shout out to

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Javier said can you be in full-time

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Ministry in 2024 it cost like 120 150k

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to own a home in Cali most Church staff

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I've seen they pay like 5 to 6K a month

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for assistant pastors I don't know a

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person who lives uh who lives from that

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yeah so yeah I mean to to own enough to

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have a home in Southern California you

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would have to be a lead Pastor there's

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just no other way around it I think

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you're right um and the unfortunate part

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is then you attract a lot of people that

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are using the ministry position as a

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stepping stone to eventually become lead

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pastors so then does the position does

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the culture have to change where we pay

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pastors more the flip side to that is is

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that weird where you have a church where

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multiple pastors are earning in the

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hundreds of thousands of dollars so they

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can afford to buy home send their kids

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to school and the church is all

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struggling and making 50 60k a year m

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that that that's an individual question

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for each congregation and each each

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Church culture you know what I mean yeah

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I mean and also like dual income

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households so if you're if one spouse is

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working at the church one's probably not

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you know and then uh non not taxed so

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there's that that is true so that is the

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part that people forget is that pastors

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can claim up up to 50% of their income

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as a housing allowance and that is

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completely non- taxed so there is there

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is the possibility um for in most cases

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that means you're not paying anything

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only yes because then you're so if

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you're so let's just say you're making

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100 Grand a year as a pastor only 50,000

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of that is getting tax when you factor

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in the dependence to kids so on and so

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forth that you're not making you're not

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paying any taxes at all basically right

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or you're not paying any income taxes so

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so that is that is a perk and when I was

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on staff at a church I got that perk

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even though I technically wasn't

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ordained as a pastor and they took it

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away and that's when you quit and they

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took it away and that's when I quit CU

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I'm like wait a minute what are we doing

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what we doing that was like the I'll

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take less money because I get this

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incentive to be CL gy hey thank you so

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